And Ye Shall Receive the Gift of the Holy Ghost

[Hebrews116]

Greetings in the name of our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ!

We once again turn our attention to the steps that must be taken in order to obtain salvation. According to the Word of God, the first step is FAITH; the second REPENTANCE; the third WATER BAPTISM in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins. Now we are going to examine the fourth and final step for obtaining salvation, receiving the Holy Ghost. After fulfilling these obligations, we must then continue in the Apostles doctrine living a holy and godly life.

Most of the Christian world today views of the Holy Ghost put it as an optional blessing that is not essential to salvation. Most of the Christian world today say that you receive the Holy Ghost upon believing in your heart and confessing the Lord Jesus with the Sinner's Prayer. But, is it Biblical, or are there Biblical examples to prove this? We are going to look at what the Bible says about the Holy Ghost and how important it is in our lives today.

Peter said in Acts 2:38, after he preached the first sermon on the day of Pentecost, after he was asked, "Men and brethren, what shall we do?" (Acts 2:37), "(38) Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."

What is the Holy Ghost? Many man made terms that are not consistent with the Bible are used to describe the Holy Ghost. To answer this question properly, let's go to the Bible for a Scriptural definition of the Holy Ghost. Each of the following terms are synonymous terms describing the Holy Ghost.

1.) THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST - Also called the Spirit of God.

Romans 8:9-11, "(9) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit; if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. (10) And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. (11) But if the Spirit of him (God) that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

The Spirit of Christ and the Spirit of God are synonymous terms because Jesus is God.

Notice how in this passage, it says that "the Spirit of Christ", "the Spirit of God", "the Spirit of him who raised Jesus up from the dead", all these "dwell in you.

2.) A BAPTISM - The Holy Ghost is an inundating, overwhelming, and immersion of the Spirit.

1 Corinthians 12:13, "(13) For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body..."

Ephesians 4:4-6, "(4) There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; (5) One Lord, one faith, one baptism, (6) One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Being baptized with the Holy Ghost is the "one baptism" in verse 5.

3.) A BIRTH - Two distinct elements constitute the "Born Again" experience; i.e. WATER BAPTISM in the name of Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost baptism (John 3:1-8). Jesus likened the Holy Ghost to a birth of the Spirit.

4.) A SEAL - God gives us the Holy Ghost to seal us.

Ephesians 4:30, "(30) And grieve not the Holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption."

Ephesians 1:13, "(13)...Ye were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise."

2 Corinthians 1:22, "(22) Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts."

5.) THE EARNEST OF OUR INHERITANCE - As great as this experience is, it is just a down payment or part of what we will receive in the end if we are faithful (2 Corinthians 1:22).

2 Corinthians 5:5, "(5) Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit."

Ephesians 1:13-14, "(13) In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in who also, after ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, (14) Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory."

Paul refers to this experience as "...the first fruits of the Spirit..." in Romans 8:23.

6.) REST - Jesus invited those of His day, and ours, to come unto Him and find rest unto their souls (Isaiah 28:12; Matthew 11:28-30; Hebrews 4:1-11). In Christ, we have ceased from our labors and entered into the rest (sabbath) of the Holy Ghost. Every day is a holy day of rest, peace, and joy in Him.

7.) SPIRIT OF ADOPTION - Through the Holy Ghost, we have been adopted as sons of God, crying Abba, which means Father.

Romans 8:15, "(15) For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father."

Galatians 4:5-6, "(5)...that we might receive the adoption of sons. (6) And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying Abba, Father."

8.) LIVING WATER - Those who have been made to drink of that spiritual drink and that spiritual Rock (1 Corinthians 10:1-4), know the depth of this term. Living water sounds refreshing and revitalizing. Jesus said the Holy Ghost was like that (John 4:10-14; 7:37-39).

9.) POWER FROM ON HIGH - We are weak creatures needing a power outside of the human realm. Through the Holy Ghost God has provided this needed power - power to be witnesses (Acts 1:8), and power to live as God directs us in His Word.

Luke 24:49, "(49) And, behold, I send the promis of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high."

The Holy Ghost was sent down from heaven (1 Peter 1:12).

10.) THE COMFORTER - Jesus calls the Holy Ghost the comforter, the Spirit of truth, a guide, a testifier, and a reprover (John 14:16-17, 26; 15:26; 16:7-13). COMFORTER is a word with great spiritual and Biblical impact.

Who can have the Holy Ghost? Acts 5:32, "(32) And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him."

All it takes to receive the Holy Ghost is to obey Him, Jesus. And to obey Jesus means to obey the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

That's why Peter, in Acts 2:38-39 said, to first REPENT, then for every one of us to BE BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST for the remission of sins, the he said after that, "...and ye shall receive the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call."

EVEN AS MANY AS THE LORD OUR GOD SHALL CALL, that means EVERYONE who's going to go to heaven is going to have the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Paul said in Romans 8:9, "(9)...Now, if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his."

Pretty strong words; but they're not my words, they're the Bible's words. YOU MUST have the Holy Ghost in order to be saved! There are no "if's" "and's" or "but's" about this. Without it, you are NONE OF HIS.

Many ideas have been projected by man concerning degrees or stages of the Holy Ghost coming into a person's life. Fanciful ideas, wresting the Scriptures to their own destruction best describes such statements. Nine (9) terms are found in the Bible synonymously describing the one and same experience of the Holy Ghost coming into one's life. No degrees, stages, or variances of the Holy Ghost are indicated in any of the following instances. Neither do these terms describe various experiences; they are expressions by different men, and may be used today when we speak of the Holy Ghost.

1.) BAPTISM OF THE HOLY GHOST - Ephesians 4:5; Matthew 3:11; Mark 1:8; Luke 3:16; Acts 1:5; 1 Corinthians 12:13.

2.) FILLED WITH THE HOLY GHOST - Acts 2:1-4; 9:17.

3.) GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST - Acts 10:45; 2:38; 11:17; 8:20; Romans 5:5; 6:23.

4.) RECEIVE THE HOLY GHOST - Acts 8:15-19; 10:47; 19:2; John 7:37-39.

5.) HOLY GHOST COME UPON YOU - Acts 1:8; 19:6.

6.) POURED OUT - Joel 2:28-29; Acts 2:17; 10:45.

7.) SENT DOWN FROM HEAVEN - 1 Peter 1:12; sound from heaven, Acts 2:1-4.

8.) HOLY GHOST FELL - Acts 8:16; 10:44; 11:15.

9.) SHED ON US - Titus 3:5-6; Acts 2:33; Romans 5:5.

When Corneluis and his household were filled with the Holy Ghost (Acts 10:44-48), four (4) of these nine (9) terms are used in five (5) verses (fell, poured out, gift, and receive). May I ask you today, "Did Cornelius get four (4) kinds, degrees, stages, or types of the Holy Ghost?" The answer is NO. It was one experience described with four (4) different terms.

Once a person has accomplished the steps of faith, repentance, baptism, and has received the Holy Ghost, his salvation from sin is complete. Though it may sound like a big order, and it is, it can be achieved in one's life very quickly. It is YOUR responsibility to believe and have faith in God, and to repent of your sins. Allow the minister to baptize you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins, THEN GOD will baptize you with the Holy Ghost. This, my friend, is Biblical Salvation.

In our next lesson, we're going to cover the initial evidence of receiving the Holy Ghost, which is tongues: TONGUES: Initial Evidence of the Holy Ghost.

God Bless!

[cagorbe]

Greetings in the name of our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ!

We once again turn our attention to the steps that must be taken in order to obtain salvation. According to the Word of God, the first step is FAITH; the second REPENTANCE; the third WATER BAPTISM in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins. Now we are going to examine the fourth and final step for obtaining salvation, receiving the Holy Ghost. After fulfilling these obligations, we must then continue in the Apostles doctrine living a holy and godly life.

Most of the Christian world today views of the Holy Ghost put it as an optional blessing that is not essential to salvation. Most of the Christian world today say that you receive the Holy Ghost upon believing in your heart and confessing the Lord Jesus with the Sinner's Prayer. But, is it Biblical, or are there Biblical examples to prove this? We are going to look at what the Bible says about the Holy Ghost and how important it is in our lives today.

Peter said in Acts 2:38, after he preached the first sermon on the day of Pentecost, after he was asked, "Men and brethren, what shall we do?" (Acts 2:37), "(38) Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."

What is the Holy Ghost? Many man made terms that are not consistent with the Bible are used to describe the Holy Ghost. To answer this question properly, let's go to the Bible for a Scriptural definition of the Holy Ghost. Each of the following terms are synonymous terms describing the Holy Ghost.

1.) THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST - Also called the Spirit of God.

Romans 8:9-11, "(9) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit; if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. (10) And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. (11) But if the Spirit of him (God) that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

The Spirit of Christ and the Spirit of God are synonymous terms because Jesus is God.

Notice how in this passage, it says that "the Spirit of Christ", "the Spirit of God", "the Spirit of him who raised Jesus up from the dead", all these "dwell in you.

2.) A BAPTISM - The Holy Ghost is an inundating, overwhelming, and immersion of the Spirit.

1 Corinthians 12:13, "(13) For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body..."

Ephesians 4:4-6, "(4) There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; (5) One Lord, one faith, one baptism, (6) One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Being baptized with the Holy Ghost is the "one baptism" in verse 5.

3.) A BIRTH - Two distinct elements constitute the "Born Again" experience; i.e. WATER BAPTISM in the name of Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost baptism (John 3:1-8). Jesus likened the Holy Ghost to a birth of the Spirit.

4.) A SEAL - God gives us the Holy Ghost to seal us.

Ephesians 4:30, "(30) And grieve not the Holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption."

Ephesians 1:13, "(13)...Ye were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise."

2 Corinthians 1:22, "(22) Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts."

5.) THE EARNEST OF OUR INHERITANCE - As great as this experience is, it is just a down payment or part of what we will receive in the end if we are faithful (2 Corinthians 1:22).

2 Corinthians 5:5, "(5) Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit."

Ephesians 1:13-14, "(13) In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in who also, after ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, (14) Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory."

Paul refers to this experience as "...the first fruits of the Spirit..." in Romans 8:23.

6.) REST - Jesus invited those of His day, and ours, to come unto Him and find rest unto their souls (Isaiah 28:12; Matthew 11:28-30; Hebrews 4:1-11). In Christ, we have ceased from our labors and entered into the rest (sabbath) of the Holy Ghost. Every day is a holy day of rest, peace, and joy in Him.

7.) SPIRIT OF ADOPTION - Through the Holy Ghost, we have been adopted as sons of God, crying Abba, which means Father.

Romans 8:15, "(15) For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father."

Galatians 4:5-6, "(5)...that we might receive the adoption of sons. (6) And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying Abba, Father."

8.) LIVING WATER - Those who have been made to drink of that spiritual drink and that spiritual Rock (1 Corinthians 10:1-4), know the depth of this term. Living water sounds refreshing and revitalizing. Jesus said the Holy Ghost was like that (John 4:10-14; 7:37-39).

9.) POWER FROM ON HIGH - We are weak creatures needing a power outside of the human realm. Through the Holy Ghost God has provided this needed power - power to be witnesses (Acts 1:8), and power to live as God directs us in His Word.

Luke 24:49, "(49) And, behold, I send the promis of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high."

The Holy Ghost was sent down from heaven (1 Peter 1:12).

10.) THE COMFORTER - Jesus calls the Holy Ghost the comforter, the Spirit of truth, a guide, a testifier, and a reprover (John 14:16-17, 26; 15:26; 16:7-13). COMFORTER is a word with great spiritual and Biblical impact.

Who can have the Holy Ghost? Acts 5:32, "(32) And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him."

All it takes to receive the Holy Ghost is to obey Him, Jesus. And to obey Jesus means to obey the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

That's why Peter, in Acts 2:38-39 said, to first REPENT, then for every one of us to BE BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST for the remission of sins, the he said after that, "...and ye shall receive the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call."

EVEN AS MANY AS THE LORD OUR GOD SHALL CALL, that means EVERYONE who's going to go to heaven is going to have the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Paul said in Romans 8:9, "(9)...Now, if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his."

Pretty strong words; but they're not my words, they're the Bible's words. YOU MUST have the Holy Ghost in order to be saved! There are no "if's" "and's" or "but's" about this. Without it, you are NONE OF HIS.

Many ideas have been projected by man concerning degrees or stages of the Holy Ghost coming into a person's life. Fanciful ideas, wresting the Scriptures to their own destruction best describes such statements. Nine (9) terms are found in the Bible synonymously describing the one and same experience of the Holy Ghost coming into one's life. No degrees, stages, or variances of the Holy Ghost are indicated in any of the following instances. Neither do these terms describe various experiences; they are expressions by different men, and may be used today when we speak of the Holy Ghost.

1.) BAPTISM OF THE HOLY GHOST - Ephesians 4:5; Matthew 3:11; Mark 1:8; Luke 3:16; Acts 1:5; 1 Corinthians 12:13.

2.) FILLED WITH THE HOLY GHOST - Acts 2:1-4; 9:17.

3.) GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST - Acts 10:45; 2:38; 11:17; 8:20; Romans 5:5; 6:23.

4.) RECEIVE THE HOLY GHOST - Acts 8:15-19; 10:47; 19:2; John 7:37-39.

5.) HOLY GHOST COME UPON YOU - Acts 1:8; 19:6.

6.) POURED OUT - Joel 2:28-29; Acts 2:17; 10:45.

7.) SENT DOWN FROM HEAVEN - 1 Peter 1:12; sound from heaven, Acts 2:1-4.

8.) HOLY GHOST FELL - Acts 8:16; 10:44; 11:15.

9.) SHED ON US - Titus 3:5-6; Acts 2:33; Romans 5:5.

When Corneluis and his household were filled with the Holy Ghost (Acts 10:44-48), four (4) of these nine (9) terms are used in five (5) verses (fell, poured out, gift, and receive). May I ask you today, "Did Cornelius get four (4) kinds, degrees, stages, or types of the Holy Ghost?" The answer is NO. It was one experience described with four (4) different terms.

Once a person has accomplished the steps of faith, repentance, baptism, and has received the Holy Ghost, his salvation from sin is complete. Though it may sound like a big order, and it is, it can be achieved in one's life very quickly. It is YOUR responsibility to believe and have faith in God, and to repent of your sins. Allow the minister to baptize you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins, THEN GOD will baptize you with the Holy Ghost. This, my friend, is Biblical Salvation.

In our next lesson, we're going to cover the initial evidence of receiving the Holy Ghost, which is tongues: TONGUES: Initial Evidence of the Holy Ghost.

God Bless!
Where does it say in the bible that tongues is the initial evidence of the Holy Ghost/or that it must be the initial evidence for all?

[Faith4ever]

I have a question on tounges. I posted it in another topic, but my words were kind of garbled and unclear as I was quite tired.

I have spoke in tounges on two different occassions. I have not yet been baptized though. I will be on Sunday. The thing is, I have heard of no one else doing this. My grandmother said she heard of it one single time before. I wonder if it was possible that I recieved the spirit before baptism, or if I just got a kind of "trial version"(Best way I could think to word it. :shrug: ) or if I was just so convicted that I let the lord touch me in a way most can't until AFTER they are baptized. Any views or comments on this would be appreciated. Thanks.
Jacob

[Luv~N~Jesus]

I have a question on tounges. I posted it in another topic, but my words were kind of garbled and unclear as I was quite tired.

I have spoke in tounges on two different occassions. I have not yet been baptized though. I will be on Sunday. The thing is, I have heard of no one else doing this. My grandmother said she heard of it one single time before. I wonder if it was possible that I recieved the spirit before baptism, or if I just got a kind of "trial version"(Best way I could think to word it. :shrug: ) or if I was just so convicted that I let the lord touch me in a way most can't until AFTER they are baptized. Any views or comments on this would be appreciated. Thanks.
Jacob

I too had the same experience! There is an example of this in the Bible in Acts Chapter 10.

Act 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Act 10:46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

Act 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

Act 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

So, we are not alone, praise the Lord! Our cases of speaking in tongues and receiving the Holy Ghost is biblical and no reason to be concerned! They too, went ahead and got baptised.

Too many people think you must be baptised first, and although I know that the Lord works that way a lot of time, we are not baptised in Jesus' Name just so we can receive the Holy Ghost and speak in tongues, but thank God it is a promise for those who do obey! Instead it is just part of the plan. A very important part at that!

I'm so glad that you are following the plan as laid out in Acts chapter 2 and being baptised in Jesus' Name! As for me, I began to speak in tongues much more often and with more confidence after my baptism, also gaining some understanding at times what the Lord was saying through me, which only happened once before baptism in His name, when I prayed for the interpretation at the initial infilling of the Holy Ghost. I know you will be blessed come Sunday, even more than today, and am so happy for you! :spin:

[Faith4ever]

Thanks! It's comforting to hear this. I'm really nervous, but at the same time really excited. I'm hoping my previously not-so-christian fiancee will finally be convinced. It only took one service and she was in my shoulder crying her eyes out. (Which is almost exactly what happened to me.) She is having trouble grasping and believing the concept of speaking in tounges. So I'm hoping sunday she'll see a mouthful, so to speak. :)

[Faith4ever]

I was baptized of the water and got a renewed baptism of the spirit tonight! I'm so happy! Thanks to everyone! Just wanted to let everyone know!:sb:

[Luv~N~Jesus]

Wonderful!!! I know you are just floating :beammeup: you feel so good and I am so happy that you went ahead and completed the plan! I'm also sure that the Lord Jesus was very pleased with your taking his beautiful name on in water baptism!

God has a lot in store for you,, and all those who obey His Word. :banana:

[In His Service]

That is wonderful news to hear!!!!!!

Now just let God begin to work and mold you according to his Word and will. Grasp a hunger for all of God and His Word that you can!

God bless
Bro. Timothy

[BrotherBallard]

Faith4ever that is Great!!!! God's mercies are never ending!!! :banana:

I would like to comment on the post from Hebrews116, if I may add to your explanation. We, Apostolic Pentecostals, overlook a vital point in all of this, we are so excited to share the plan of salvation to sinners, but I think we need a different starting point instead of jumping right into Acts 2:38. We need to know why Acts 2:38 is so pivotal, we need to take them first to the Cross, and explain what, why, and for whom, Jesus died on the cruel tree (this may seem very elementary, but it's true). I have seen over the past 25 plus years, people who had received the Holy Ghost, but could not explain the reason why they had it, or what the purpose of the Cross is all about. Sadly, a lot of those individuals were not grounded in truth, and they faded away once the "Clean Feeling" seemed to dissipate.

Try it the next time you witness or do a Bible Study. If you use the "Into His Marvelous Light" Bible Study, before you get started in it, explain to the recipients about the Cross, and why the Cross is such a vital aspect to ALL OF HUMANITY!!!!

Brothers and Sisters, IT will make a difference in your outreach for lost souls!!!

[ddc101]

Amen thanks for the helpful suggestion Bro.Ballard.I do use Into His Marvelous Light Bible Study.It has made a big difference in soulwinning for me.lv sis.c

[lellingsworth]

If, as the bible says, you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues, how can a person claim that another person doesn't HAVE the Holy Ghost if that person has the ability to speak in tongues.

[lellingsworth]

Just wondering if anyone is going to answer this newbie. Can someone speak in tongues and not have the Holy Ghost?

[In His Service]

Dear Sister,
That is a pretty large question. I have seen people speak in tongues who where living like the devil. Where they filled with the Holy Ghost? Can light have fellowship with darkness? So you see a discussion such as this can get pretty thick, pretty quick.

The best thing to do is for the person to speak to the ministry that is over them or that person. They will judge the fruits of the person and see where the scale balances at.

Be blessed,
Bro. Timothy

[lellingsworth]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Felicity]

Yes - you can speak in tongues and not have the Holy Ghost. There are devil worshippers who do and some involved in the occult, spiritism and pagan heathenistic religions do as well. For the genuine there is always a counterfeit.

Some Pentecostals who do as well. There could be different reasons for this.....

1. The person has just mimiced tongues.

2. Some were told they had the Holy Ghost before they actually did.

3. There are lots of people who speak in tongues but they certainly don't seem to have the Giver of that gift manifesting from their lives. In other words.......they're carnal saints.

There are many apostolics who say that others who speak in tongues don't have the Holy Ghost because they're "trinitarians" or they don't practice certain standards which is untrue of course ........ unless the same factors listed above from 1-3 apply to their lives.

God gives His Spirit to all who are thirsty and hungry and who seek Him. It's a promise to every "believer".

God bless! BTW.......... I like your hair. Very pretty. :)

[dllong]

Yes - you can speak in tongues and not have the Holy Ghost. There are devil worshippers who do and some involved in the occult, spiritism and pagan heathenistic religions do as well. For the genuine there is always a counterfeit.

:)Where in the Bible does G_d say that the devil can speak in tongues? Where in the Bible DOES a demon/devil speak in tongues? I can't find it anywhere! How can a person "speak in tongues" and NOT have the Holy Ghost? Are there any references in the Bible where a person/persons spoke in that wonderful heavenly language and were not filled with the Holy Ghost?

[HnstHmblOpinon]

Just wondering if anyone is going to answer this newbie. Can someone speak in tongues and not have the Holy Ghost?

I visited a Church of God and there was tongues and interpretation that was definitely of God because it was for me and to me and noone at that church knew anything about me.... so it had to have been God..... I know because I was from UPC at the time.

People say here though that they are lost.... but I know they had the spirit of God.... beats me how people can judge them so when they do speak in tongues... and they do believe in only ONE God....

[OneGodDivine]

Isaiah 28
9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.
13 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

Mark 16
15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

John 3
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
John 7
37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.
38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

Acts 2
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the LORD our God shall call.
Acts 8
15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

Acts 10
44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Acts 11
15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
Acts 19
1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
7 And all the men were about twelve.

1 Corinthians 14
1 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.
2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.5 I would that ye all spake with tongues but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
6 Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?
7 And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped?
8 For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?
9 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.
10 There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification.
11 Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me.
12 Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.
13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.
14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
16 Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?
17 For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.
18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:
19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.
20 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.
21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.See Isaiah 28:9-13 22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.
23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?
24 But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:
25 And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.
26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.
27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.40 Let all things be done decently and in order.

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[BrotherBallard]

Isaiah 28



9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.
13 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.










OGD,
This is one of the scriptures that I was referring too that has been passed down from generation to generation as prophecy of tongues. That is not the case. This is another tradition that we take as "The Gospel Truth," we need to study the Word of God and verify what has been handed down is Truth!

Please study this context of scripture in detail. You will see what I'm talking about.

In His Name!!!

P.S. I just opened up a can of worms!!! I'm throwing a question out, that some have built premonitions on for decades.

[OneGodDivine]

Respectfully Brother Ballard, Paul quotes that very scripture in 1 Corinthians 14:21,22; Isaiah 28:11,12:

1 Corinthians 14
21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.
22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

Isaiah 28
11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.


And if you noticed I did state that above in the quotes from 1 Corinthians in my last post. The Word of God indeed interprets itself. When Paul quoted this very scripture and tied it to tongues, that settles it. It is no longer conjecture but indeed proven that the prophecy in Isaiah 28:11,12 is refering to The Holy Ghost with the evidence of other tongues. In the light of 1 Corinthians 14:21,22 scripture interprets scripture.

[BrotherBallard]

OGD (I wish I knew your name because it's difficult to call you "Brother OGD"), ;)

Thank you for editing the first part of your above post, I was going to comment on that, I appreciate your thoughtfulness. I'm going out of town today for the weekend; I will be able to comment in full on what I'm getting at about Isa. 28. In the meantime I would like to ask you a couple of questions concerning Isa. 28 for you to ponder on:



1. Who was God talking to?

2. What attitude did the priest and prophet convey? (Hint: they knew everything, or so they thought)

3. In relation to today's English, what is Isa. 28:11 similar to? (Hint: a nursery rhyme)

4. In I Cor. 14:21 Paul stated "In the law it is written..." Is Paul referring to the Pentateuch or the entire Old Testament, seeing that Isaiah is one of the Books in the Prophecy section of the Old Testament.

5. Was God stating a prophecy for the New Testament Church or was He upset with their arrogance and was stating you want me to talk to you with knowledge, Allright, I'll give you knowledge.....I better stop here or I'll end up writing the whole post today and not get anything else accomplished....



Brother, one of the reasons, I even bring up this topic is you posted this post in the "What is this Spirit?" Thread:





Deuteronomy 6

4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one. 5 Love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength. 6 These commandments that I give you today are to be upon your hearts. 7 Impress them on your children. Talk about them when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up.



Sis I'm not a minister yet, just a wannabe. But I think that the key to success depends on education/indoctrination not simply relying on the Spirit to reveal all truth to them but jump right in and start teaching as quick as possible, if they are going to leave anyway you have nothing to lose. I think a major mistake made by ministers in our movement is belief that all they need will come from the pulpit during the preaching. In my case I didn't get it till the pastor sat down with me and went through the scripture intensely.



You state that you are not a minister yet, just a wannabe. I commend you on that! Also, at the end you didn't "get it" till the pastor went through the scripture intensely. That's all I'm asking for this particular passage of scripture! I'm not trying to berate you in any way or change any of your beliefs; I'm just asking a question to inspire a Brother and Minister (you) to think about some of the things that have been handed down.

We will not agree on everything as I have posted in GNC, but with the right spirit we can have discussions from various points of view.

Here is a scripture that goes along with this:
Ps. 27:17
Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.

This is one of the reasons I like GNC, it makes me think about a wide array of topics!!!

In His Name!!!

[OneGodDivine]

Bro. Ballard, First of all I make a personal public apology for posting what could be interpreted as a personal attack was not meant that way but regardless it has been revised, Im trying to work on not being so sharp with people, pray for me please and now regarding your quote: I know the context and who it was refering to and I know it was regarding the ten commandments, the portion I was trying to focus on is Gods instruction to Jews that they should focus on educating and indoctrinating themselves and thier children. Thats the aspect I was focusing on, the education part. OGD (I wish I knew your name because it's difficult to call you "Brother OGD"), ;)

Thank you for editing the first part of your above post, I was going to comment on that, I appreciate your thoughtfulness. I'm going out of town today for the weekend; I will be able to comment in full on what I'm getting at about Isa. 28. In the meantime I would like to ask you a couple of questions concerning Isa. 28 for you to ponder on:



1. Who was God talking to?

2. What attitude did the priest and prophet convey? (Hint: they knew everything, or so they thought)

3. In relation to today's English, what is Isa. 28:11 similar to? (Hint: a nursery rhyme)

4. In I Cor. 14:21 Paul stated "In the law it is written..." Is Paul referring to the Pentateuch or the entire Old Testament, seeing that Isaiah is one of the Books in the Prophecy section of the Old Testament.

5. Was God stating a prophecy for the New Testament Church or was He upset with their arrogance and was stating you want me to talk to you with knowledge, Allright, I'll give you knowledge.....I better stop here or I'll end up writing the whole post today and not get anything else accomplished....



Brother, one of the reasons, I even bring up this topic is you posted this post in the "What is this Spirit?" Thread:







You state that you are not a minister yet, just a wannabe. I commend you on that! Also, at the end you didn't "get it" till the pastor went through the scripture intensely. That's all I'm asking for this particular passage of scripture! I'm not trying to berate you in any way or change any of your beliefs; I'm just asking a question to inspire a Brother and Minister (you) to think about some of the things that have been handed down.

We will not agree on everything as I have posted in GNC, but with the right spirit we can have discussions from various points of view.

Here is a scripture that goes along with this:
Ps. 27:17
Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.

This is one of the reasons I like GNC, it makes me think about a wide array of topics!!!

In His Name!!!

[scout]

Jacob, you have been given only a taste of what the Lord has for you. Yes, I have also seen people get the Holy Ghost before baptism. The Lord has somthing truly awesome in store for you later. You ARE truly very blessed to have gotten this.

[scout]

Just wondering if anyone is going to answer this newbie. Can someone speak in tongues and not have the Holy Ghost?Yes this can happen. Somtimes the Holy Ghost will fill a person who is living like the devil to tell them to turn away from there sins. This happened to one of my brothers a while back. He would be in service on the ground in tears rolling all over and speaking in tongues and after service he would go out to his truck a put a dip in of snuff. This went on for a while until he realized how stupid he was abusing his gift from God, and now is an awsome soldier of the cross, but his experience helped me so I hope it will help you also. But yes, the Lord doesn't always manifest himself into people who have prayed through, He does it to people on the borderline also just to give them a taste of the other side. I know your question was kindof asking somthing else,but I think this can help you also. Also, he was doing other things besides tobacco to abuse his gift.

[SisEdith]

I have a question on tounges. I posted it in another topic, but my words were kind of garbled and unclear as I was quite tired.

I have spoke in tounges on two different occassions. I have not yet been baptized though. I will be on Sunday. The thing is, I have heard of no one else doing this. My grandmother said she heard of it one single time before. I wonder if it was possible that I recieved the spirit before baptism, or if I just got a kind of "trial version"(Best way I could think to word it. :shrug: ) or if I was just so convicted that I let the lord touch me in a way most can't until AFTER they are baptized. Any views or comments on this would be appreciated. Thanks.
Jacob
The scriptures show that you can receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in other tongues before OR after water baptism. They key is faith and repentance.

[InJesusName]

Just wondering if anyone is going to answer this newbie. Can someone speak in tongues and not have the Holy Ghost?
It would depend on if your questioning if they are tongues of God. The mormons have a holy spirit, and they "speak in tongues", and there is spiritual influence, but it is nto the spirit of God. If someone is living like the devil, and they have not repented, and all of a sudden they start rampbling off tongues and they feel something, that would entail there being a problem. They aren't under the power of the Lord Jesus. Just like with trinitarians... I was raised AOG, so I remember seeing people ramble off tongues. In fact when my dad came to visit me, he heard One God preached, and wanted to get baptised, and my Pastor did so, he felt that he was sincere. We baptised him in Jesus Name, and then he bagan to speak in tongues in the van, suddenly stopped, asked if we did that, and when we said yes, he started off again. I remember as a child there being a fight between my mom and dad, and then them both going to service and start speaking in tongues... not right. So people can speak in tongues, but the question is, are they speaking in tongues as the spirit of God give them the utterance.

[mbrugh]

It would depend on if your questioning if they are tongues of God. The mormons have a holy spirit, and they "speak in tongues", and there is spiritual influence, but it is nto the spirit of God. If someone is living like the devil, and they have not repented, and all of a sudden they start rampbling off tongues and they feel something, that would entail there being a problem. They aren't under the power of the Lord Jesus. Just like with trinitarians... I was raised AOG, so I remember seeing people ramble off tongues. In fact when my dad came to visit me, he heard One God preached, and wanted to get baptised, and my Pastor did so, he felt that he was sincere. We baptised him in Jesus Name, and then he bagan to speak in tongues in the van, suddenly stopped, asked if we did that, and when we said yes, he started off again. I remember as a child there being a fight between my mom and dad, and then them both going to service and start speaking in tongues... not right. So people can speak in tongues, but the question is, are they speaking in tongues as the spirit of God give them the utterance.

I have been wondering about the AOG speaking in tongues. My wife and I have heard and seen several AOG preachers preach an almost identical holiness message as a Oneness preacher. The only difference is the "Statement of Faith" area, usually on their website, that mentions the "One God, eternally existent in Three Persons, etc." belief. This one particular pastor, on TV in Fla., has members that stand up, as the sanctuary becomes quiet, give a message in tongues, then the pastor interprets. I have a great burden for souls, and my questions are these:

1. Are these people really born again?

2. The sermons are hard but loving and meat-filled. How is that possible? (Does. 2Co 11:13-14 apply, or am I being too harsh?)

3. How are these very fluent tongues possible, for trinitarians?

4. You cannot believe in two different versions of God, can you, and be saved? (Triune vs. Oneness)

5. What will happen to them at the Great White Throne judgment?

My heart almost can't bear to see sincere people, who think they are obedient to God, be lost. I have been perplexed by this for a long time.

Joyfully in His service,
Bro. Michael

[lellingsworth]

Yes this can happen. Somtimes the Holy Ghost will fill a person who is living like the devil to tell them to turn away from there sins. This happened to one of my brothers a while back. He would be in service on the ground in tears rolling all over and speaking in tongues and after service he would go out to his truck a put a dip in of snuff. This went on for a while until he realized how stupid he was abusing his gift from God, and now is an awsome soldier of the cross, but his experience helped me so I hope it will help you also. But yes, the Lord doesn't always manifest himself into people who have prayed through, He does it to people on the borderline also just to give them a taste of the other side. I know your question was kindof asking somthing else,but I think this can help you also. Also, he was doing other things besides tobacco to abuse his gift.


But then as you were saying, he WAS infilled with the Holy Ghost but didn't allow the Holy Ghost to control his life. ?

[LilOrphanAnnie]

To answer an earlier question:

It is very possible for someone with a demon inside of them to speak in tongues. The demon controls their mouth, and they cause the person to speak another language. It may sound similar to the Holy Ghost causing a person to speak in tongues- it is, but the crucial difference is that when the devil is in control, he rules the person with an iron grip. Jesus is a gentleman- He is kind, loving, and when He as the Holy Ghost indwells someone, Jesus rules only by the person's permission, as far as the person will let him.

[InJesusName]

[QUOTE=mbrugh]I have been wondering about the AOG speaking in tongues. My wife and I have heard and seen several AOG preachers preach an almost identical holiness message as a Oneness preacher. The only difference is the "Statement of Faith" area, usually on their website, that mentions the "One God, eternally existent in Three Persons, etc." belief. This one particular pastor, on TV in Fla., has members that stand up, as the sanctuary becomes quiet, give a message in tongues, then the pastor interprets. I have a great burden for souls, and my questions are these:

1. Are these people really born again?

Do they believe Acts 2:38, ALL of it? If they believe in a Trinity, then they wouldnt be Baptized in Jesus Name, and if they are baptized in Jesus Name, and believe in the trinity, then they are backsliden and reprobate. Deut. 6:4 "Hear oh Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord." Acts 4:12 "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." Read 2Thes. 2:10-12. It speaks of God sending them a strong delusion, because they have not received the love of the truth. This doesnt apply in all situations for trinitarians or even mormons, jehovah-witnesses, and the list goes on, but when someone is exposed to truth, they have a choice to follow, or turn to their traditional religion, whatever it is. If they are in that religion and they cry out to God to show them truth, then he will. I have friends in the Baptist and AOG, I havent showed them in the Bible that there is only 1 God, but they have decided to stay where they are at. There is still a chance, till the day they die, there is still a chance for them to really come to God, so I will continue to pray for them. I will because I am a result of prayer, 4 yrs of prayer to be exact. I will the story later, and I will address the other questions when I come back from school.

[Unregistered]

I have not read all the replies...but what I would like to know is this...are you apostolic penticostals saying you are not saved unless you have recieved the gift of tongues via the Holy ghost?????

Wondering??

[InJesusName]

I have not read all the replies...but what I would like to know is this...are you apostolic penticostals saying you are not saved unless you have recieved the gift of tongues via the Holy ghost?????

Wondering??
That would be it, yes, but it was not us who said it first. It Jesus who commanded the Apostles in Matt. 28:19, Mark 16:16, Luke 24:45 to go and preach it! And so on the day of Pentecost, Peter preached, it tore the Jews to the heart, and Peter, who had been given the Keys, stood up, and said what is recorded in Acts 2:38-41 (actually he kept on talking some more... :yeah: ), So... seeing as how all ten, well origonally there were 11 others when Jesus gave Peter the keys to the Kingdom, but Judas went and hung himself and burst asunder... (thats a cool word... asunder :nt: ), so anyhow 10 of them were there in the origonal giving to Peter, so why if repentence, baptism in Jesus name, and the recieving the gift of the Holy Ghost, is not essential to salvation, did not Thomas, or any of the other Apostles stand up, swap Peter upside the head, and say "Hey Pete, thats what the Master said!" ( I cant take the credit for that very cool scenario, my Pastor has used it quite a few times, and it gets the point accross to even a trinitarian, although most of the mormons still dont get it... lol)(I live in Utah, and mormons...) So to answer you original question, No, a person CANNOT be saved unless they have taken part in the full rebirth process.

[LilOrphanAnnie]

Perhaps we could have a permanent "sticky" thread that answers doctrinal questions such as these, and gives links to good resources such as the tracts on The Quill, and various homepages & Bro. Bernard's online books. That way those that don't fully understand these things can have a nice handy reference point, easier for them. I'm not saying we want them to go off in some corner, not at all! It just might be convenient for those who want it.

[LilOrphanAnnie]

I have not read all the replies...but what I would like to know is this...are you apostolic penticostals saying you are not saved unless you have recieved the gift of tongues via the Holy ghost?????

Wondering??
Hello and welcome to the GNC, whoever you are! :)

Here is a really good reference, that should answer this question, and others- http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/pentecostal/New-Top.htm

It is a very good book by David K. Bernard, called "the New Birth", all online to read.

[SisEdith]

There is a major difference between the Gift of Tongues and the Initial Evidence of receiving the Baptism of the Holy Ghost.

Not everyone who receives the Baptism of the Holy Ghost with the "evidence" of speaking in other tongues will receive the Gift of Tongues or be able to opersate in it. This is where the major confusion comes in and must be understood properly.

AOG and others teach that the inital evidence IS the Gift of Tongues when it is not.

After receiving the Initial Baptism anyone is capable of operating in this particular gift but not all will.

I have tongues, and pray in tongues all the time but have never operated in the "Gift of Tongues" yet! But, I sure to hope to one day!

[abrecount2]

The scriptures show that you can receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in other tongues before OR after water baptism. They key is faith and repentance. yes you can recieve the gift of the holy ghost before you are baptized.
I did six years ago and that is how i came to the truth.
i was watching the trinity station on t.v. and i was praying like they said to and i was really just worshiping jesus and seeking him deep.
Iprayed with someone on the phone and they were trying to force me to speak in tounges but i had no idea what they were saying.
they sent me out a pamlet i read it and i prayed and the lord honored my prayer and filled me with the holy ghost.
jesus touched a backsliders heart to call me and talk with me.
i told her i got the holy ghost and she told another lady in church and they picked me up for church that is whan i knew this was the church building i was staying in.
in the bible it says in
acts 10: 44-48
44-while peter yet spake these words.

45-and they of the circumcision which believed were astonished,
as many as came with peter because that on the gentiles also was
poured out the gift of the holy ghost.

46-for they heard them speak with tougues, and magnify god.

47-can any man forbid water,
that these should not be baptized, which have received the holy ghost as
well as we?

48- and he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the lord.
then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

abrecount2

[luvmyfamily]

I agree, there is a difference between "initial evidence" and "gift of tongues". I did not used to think so, as I was part of an awesome COG for 5 years. I have had to do a lot of studying to determine that there IS a difference. That was not until I got out of COG, wondering why, while there were many who DID operate this gift, there were many who did not, and so wondered why. In the UPC, it seems to be a different manifestation of tongues. One can usually tell right away. It seems more of not only the initial infilling, which happens quite often with the new people, but also in a praise and prayer sense. I don't usually see a message in tongues given, with an interpretation, in these churches, like at the COG. So it got confusing, as to the difference between being baptized with the Holy Ghost and having the gift of tongues. At the COG, I thought they were one in the same, and wondered why I did not speak in tongues. I kept seeking and seeking and just worshipping, until finally I did not worry about speaking in tongues, I just felt, if it happens, it happens, but I am going to praise God anyway! And there it was. And yes, in the COG, as my praises went up in the choir loft, my tongue was loosed and my praises became tongues. I didn't have to jump up and down or shout (for one thing I would have fallen from the steps), my urge was to get on my knees right up there on the platform and be personal with God, and so my tongues were actually rather quiet. And for me, they usually are. But it is nonetheless very powerful.

AS far how to tell if some allegedly "Holy Spirit" tongues are real, "by their fruits you shall know them." Our first tongue-talking pastor robbed our church blind. What kind of spirit was that? And we all thought different. Needless to say, there were several people who left our church very soon after he ran off. Whether because they were deeply hurt, or because they had his same spirit (the same ones who caused trouble in the church earlier). They all seem very sincere, and I am sure they are, but again, "by their fruits you shall know them."

My husband has no desire to speak in tongues because he does not want to be filled with the wrong spirit and has trouble discerning the right kind from the wrong kind. This is fine, to an extent, because of the difference between initial infilling of the HOly Ghost, and the gift of tongues. There should be no problem with him recieving the Holy Ghost once he is able to let go of focusing on tongues. If he feels danger in operating in the GIFT of tongues, then he should not, until he is able to discern the right kind from the wrong kind. This is VERY important. He should just continue praising God and operate in the gifts and talents God HAS given him.

[prayercloth sis]

I have a question on tounges. I posted it in another topic, but my words were kind of garbled and unclear as I was quite tired.

I have spoke in tounges on two different occassions. I have not yet been baptized though. I will be on Sunday. The thing is, I have heard of no one else doing this. My grandmother said she heard of it one single time before. I wonder if it was possible that I recieved the spirit before baptism, or if I just got a kind of "trial version"(Best way I could think to word it. :shrug: ) or if I was just so convicted that I let the lord touch me in a way most can't until AFTER they are baptized. Any views or comments on this would be appreciated. Thanks.
Jacob



I have seen several receive the Holy Ghost before being baptized in Jesus name....

One time in particular, was a Baptist Pastor by the name of Bro. Tony Page....after receiving the Holy Ghost O believe on a Wed. Night service, he was baptized the following Saturday afternoon so that he could start baptizing folks at his home church the very next Sunday....there has been several more but that's just one of my favorites!

God Bless

Sis Bridges