Oh God! The pain, the PAIN!

[RandyWayne]

Actually, it is much better now. :)
(Still a little bit sore and swollen though.....)

But my vasectomy this last Friday was a raging success! I have to admit, as many have told me, that the procedure itself was not bad at all -although I could have used an arrow in my mouth for the numbing shots. The next few days were pretty uncomfortable though as I could barely move and had constant ice packs on my privates.

Now we just need a few more months to make sure ALL the little stormtroopers are contained behind enemy lines before we can rest easy.

Actually, I THINK my doctor is a "believer" since he showed me a few pieces of the vas he cut out and pointed out how it worked and made reference to the "incredible design" in it.

So, any other "horror stories"? LOL

[John Atkinson]

So, any other "horror stories"? LOLNope, you win.

TMI bro, WAAAAAAY TMI....

[drummerboy_dave]

Nope, you win.

TMI bro, WAAAAAAY TMI....Definately!

[searching]

Men are funny!

[John Atkinson]

Men are funny!
funny as in strange or funny as in ha ha?

[RandyWayne]

I've actually been feeling pretty good about it -ME being the one to take charge and have it done versus making my poor sweet tender flower of a wife do something about it.

[searching]

funny as in strange or funny as in ha ha?

I think men can be both!

[NanaRenan]

I've actually been feeling pretty good about it -ME being the one to take charge and have it done versus making my poor sweet tender flower of a wife do something about it.

My husband was of the same opinion. He felt I'd done my share!

[RandyWayne]

My husband was of the same opinion. He felt I'd done my share!

Exactly! And when I dared to complain about the indignity of a prostate exam she literally glared at me and said "You don't even want to know how often a woman is poked and prodded! Want to watch next time??"
(I then proceeded to take it like a man. Thinking happy thoughts....)

[ddc101]

So how is life as a Eunich?

[RandyWayne]

Well, life would be very different if I WAS a eunuch but everything is there except the little soldiers are now being confined to Stalag 13 by Col Klink, where no one has ever ever escaped. Not one!

[jdcord]

So how is life as a Eunich?


:icon_laug


Being one of many card-carrying Eunuchs, myself, I can say honestly that, ..... "it ain't bad".


Welcome to the Club, Randy!

:banana:

[Truthseeker]

I couldn't do it, no way!

[Falla39]

I couldn't do it, no way!

Dear Lord God,

Bless the man who understands that these bodies are the

temples of the Living God. God placed "seed" in man's body

to make sure HIS HERITAGE lives on. If we "cut off" God's

Heritage or seed, what have we done. How many men or

women of God have we destroyed. Pharoah knew how to

attempt to destroy the seed of God (the Hebrews of who

Moses was one.) King Herod,(who wanted to be great) knew

how to ATTEMPT to destroy God's Son, by killing the little

boys (the seed). What's the difference in the way man tries to

control God's will today. What if there was a billboard in

Jerusalem in those early days which read, " The Seed You

Destroy Today May Have Provided Bread Tomorrow". God

used the seed of the woman to bring forth His Son. No man

was involved as far as Jesus conception was concerned. The

Holy Spirit overshadowed a little innocent maiden. Could it be

that God may provide (spiritual) sons and daughters through

women if no man can be found! God can raise up seed from

stones if He needs to.

This is not to offend but to provoke to thought!

Blessings,

Falla39

[Falla39]

Just to say if I offended anyone by posting in response to Bro.

RandyWayne's thread, I am truly sorry. I am not saying I'm sorry

for what I said, but if it brought pain or offence, I certainly never

intended it that way. Just to provoke to thought.

Blessings on all my brothers and sisters on this great forum!

Falla39

[RandyWayne]

No offense taken. :)

"We", meaning my wife and I, have no desire to have kids, nor do we have the temperament for them. THAT plus the simple fact that were at an age were we do not want to start with a new born.....

And part of the reason for the thread was spreading the knowledge that it is much much simpler for the husband to have the matter taken care of then his wife. :)

[HSdad]

Dear Lord God,

Bless the man who understands that these bodies are the

temples of the Living God. God placed "seed" in man's body

to make sure HIS HERITAGE lives on. If we "cut off" God's

Heritage or seed, what have we done. How many men or

women of God have we destroyed. Pharoah knew how to

attempt to destroy the seed of God (the Hebrews of who

Moses was one.) King Herod,(who wanted to be great) knew

how to ATTEMPT to destroy God's Son, by killing the little

boys (the seed). What's the difference in the way man tries to

control God's will today. What if there was a billboard in

Jerusalem in those early days which read, " The Seed You

Destroy Today May Have Provided Bread Tomorrow". God

used the seed of the woman to bring forth His Son. No man

was involved as far as Jesus conception was concerned. The

Holy Spirit overshadowed a little innocent maiden. Could it be

that God may provide (spiritual) sons and daughters through

women if no man can be found! God can raise up seed from

stones if He needs to.

This is not to offend but to provoke to thought!

Blessings,

Falla39

I would that we could lock ourselves in with God as individuals, receive his word and have it become flesh within us, and then re-emerge and share our understandings...in hopes of bringing an immeasurable blessing to each other concerning the topic of human contraception within a marriage established upon a vow between believers.

Falla39, I honestly believe I can experience your spirit represented by the words you have supplied above.

If godly wisdom does not guide us in these topics we have a POWERFUL ability to destroy with condemnation rather than bless with liberty.

The temporal things which are seen are to help us understand the eternal things that are not.

Reproduction is the fruit of increase that originates from the seed finding agreement within its surroundings.

The Kingdom of God is not experienced from within two genders. There is neither male nor female in Christ.

The SEED is the Word of God. Hearts that give place for that seed to be received will bring forth children of God.

.................

If a human intervenes according to an act of their own will to obstruct a nature process they will reap the future that they have sown.

Having children, in and of itself, is not an occassion to be blessed. I believe the stats are currently around 750,000 teenage pregnancies each and every year in AMERICA.

Is God pleased that children are being thrust into surroundings where survival is the law of the jungle? Is God looking for a baby factory so that he can pick-out the few and cast the rest into outer darkness? Of course NOT!

This whole matter will bring us to what is our governing principles are concerning the role of a soverign who has provide his creation with free will choice.

[RandyWayne]

I know a few ministers who equate human reproduction with "growing the church". Thankfully they are in the minority.

Which also brings up the bar whore who has 5 kids with 5 different men. Is she more "blessed" because God "opened her womb" then the Christian couple who is holding out on having kids?

[Falla39]

I know a few ministers who equate human reproduction with "growing the church". Thankfully they are in the minority.

Which also brings up the bar whore who has 5 kids with 5 different men. Is she more "blessed" because God "opened her womb" then the Christian couple who is holding out on having kids?



What provoked my initial post was not the fact that I think

there should not be some restraint or balance in regard to

bringing children into the world. But primarily I was speaking

about literally cutting off any chance of there being a con-

tinuation of our lineage. A lady pediatrician told me with tears

in her eyes that if good people refuse to have children, then it

leaves it up to the other and they will have them. Could it be

that there are those who feel their lineage is not worth carrying

on! I know good people who no longer have a lineage because

they refused to carry it on.

It is sad that there are so many teenage pregnancies. Can you

blame the teenagers when many times there is no one in the home,

teaching and training their children. This world is out of order and

the results of it are "backing up" and as there is when plumbing is

out of order, after a while it will show up in places you never intended.

There are extremes in many things. If we, people of God, do not have

children and train them up in the way they should go, in the home, after

a while there will be no godly homes, or church.

What we are reaping in many ways today is neglect and seeds (thinking)

of a generation past. What is being reaped today are the results of some

peoples thinking and actions of yesterdays. Where has it brought us.

Stinking thinking and backed up sewers have a lot in common. They will

show in time. What is sown will surely be reaped. Good or bad!

Perhaps some were not taught a respect for human life. I was

taught that life is precious and when placed in God's Hands, would

become fruitful and produce good fruit (lineage) Beats the alternative,

doesn't it!

Just some additional thoughts from a senior sister.

Blessings,

Falla39

[RandyWayne]

Believe it or not, I understand what your saying and DO agree with you. The fact is that the more successful people become, the fewer and fewer children they tend to have. This in and of itself wouldn't be the end of the world but the opposite is ALSO true, the less successful and poorer some are the more likely they are to have MORE kids.

There is an excellent film called Idiocracy (from Mike Judge who did Office Space and the King of the Hill series). The whole premise is that a under achiever is frozen for a 1000 years and when he awakes, it is to a world full of morons. He is now one of the smartest person alive. The point being that "smart" people had few, or no, kids while hillbilly types continued to have massive families, till after a few hundred years the collective IQ drops about 50 points. Signs on shops are horribly misspelled. A movie at a theater is about nothing but a guy being kicked in the crotch -to which the audience roarers with laughter throughout. Incidentally, my brother in law thinks of himself as a hillbilly and laughs at all the crotch kicking incidents he see's in any movie as well.....

[RandyWayne]

Well over two months.... and all is well!

[Bro.Sam]

funny as in strange or funny as in ha ha?


Yes

[Falla39]

Believe it or not, I understand what your saying and DO agree with you. The fact is that the more successful people become, the fewer and fewer children they tend to have. This in and of itself wouldn't be the end of the world but the opposite is ALSO true, the less successful and poorer some are the more likely they are to have MORE kids.

There is an excellent film called Idiocracy (from Mike Judge who did Office Space and the King of the Hill series). The whole premise is that a under achiever is frozen for a 1000 years and when he awakes, it is to a world full of morons. He is now one of the smartest person alive. The point being that "smart" people had few, or no, kids while hillbilly types continued to have massive families, till after a few hundred years the collective IQ drops about 50 points. Signs on shops are horribly misspelled. A movie at a theater is about nothing but a guy being kicked in the crotch -to which the audience roarers with laughter throughout. Incidentally, my brother in law thinks of himself as a hillbilly and laughs at all the crotch kicking incidents he see's in any movie as well.....

Bro. RandyWayne,

I guess that would depend on a person's view of what true success

really is! If we all thought like some, it wouldn't be long until we wouldn't

be a people. We would become extinct. If children are God's heritage,

you can be sure HE will see to it that His lineage is carried on. Not many

wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:

But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the

wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound

the things which are mighty; And base things which are despised, hath

God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things

that are: That no flesh should glory in His presence.

After all, Whose plan are we following, His or ours! Have we traded

something of much value to God for so-called "success"!

My posts are never intended to offend but to provoke to thought.

Blessings,

Falla39

[modestmaiden]

sorry you feel bad

[Polaris]

I am reminded that it is not a sin to remain unmarried (even though remaining unmarried precludes reproduction) and I am reminded that some people "become eunuchs" for the kingdom of Heaven's sake...forgoing children to answer a call from God that would make childrearing impractical. All of that to say this: I can't see what having a vasectomy or using any other kind of birth control is inherently sinful or wrong. There may be something I'm missing here, but if something is wrong, then it is generally wrong straight across the board. Furthermore, if people are not anxious to have children or do not want children for ANY reason, then I think it is better for all concerned that they not have them.

[Falla39]

Bro. Fullerton,

There is more at stake than a man/woman terminating their ability

to have children. There are mindsets involved. Instead of using

other measures that at least gives God an opportunity to have HIS

way as to whether you NEED children or not. In other words making

sure there will be no interuptions in our plans for our lives. Does it not

sound liberating to the young married couple to just "not have to

worry it". We are not talking about NO BIRTH CONTROL. It's about

our taking COMPLETE control of the matter. How many couples have

practiced birth control and yet somehow she became with child. How

many times has that child or children been the blessing that couple

would never have wanted to miss.

I guess Bro RandyWayne's first post sounded too much like this is

the best way to handle birth control. Maybe for him and his wife, it

is.

No one is saying, Bro. Fullerton, that using birth control is sinful. I

am talking about a mindset that having children is low class and the

poor and unsuccessful are the ones having most of them. As I said

in an earlier post, by what measure or standard are we measuring

success! If God's people lose the value of life, we have played

right into the enemy's hands. Children are compared to having

arrows in the quiver of the man who has them. Something or

someone to fight for you in the gate of the enemy when you are

old and greyheaded. That will no doubt be the time it is regretted

and realized what the Word of God was talking about. If someone

older doesn't sound the alarm regarding some things, back to the

younger, coming way behind, how will they know. I looked and

watched, and listened to two generations before me, regarding a

lot of things and I thank God for those on up ahead, passing the

good Word and wisdom of God back to me and mine. Thank You,

Lord God and your people that preceded me and mine.

Even Pharoah and Herod knew how to weaken God's chosen

people. Kill their children. America had better wake up for her

choice of allowing the "killing and shedding of innocent blood".

That is one of the things God hates. We are talking about the

VALUE of LIFE. Children are God's Heritage, not ours. Heritage

or inheritance is what is given to us. We have a goodly heritage.

I never post with the intention of offending but some mindsets

worry me. I do notice that it stirs an element of society when you

speak out against abortion. Why should it bother some when someone

expresses some insights or thoughts that shouldn't offend anyone. We

all have our choice of how we will handle it in our family anyway. The

Bible says the children are like arrows in quiver of the man who has

them. They are like "weapons" or protection for the elderly.

Blessings,

Falla39

[Pressing-On]

My husband also sings soprano and that is very good for me! I only wanted two children. It is hard on the body for some. My mother had 10 children - not for me.

Pregnancy was a hard thing for me.

I am very low pain tolerant. I don't even like to play volleyball. It hurts my hands!! lol! And they want you to hit that with the inside of your arms? Are you kidding me? :icon_laug

When I had my second child I told them I wanted something for the pain. They said, "I'm sorry, we have to monitor your body and you can't have anything."

I understood then the stories of women who went nuts having to endure the pain. I was just about there. Wait, it may have had some lasting effects. :icon_laug

[meagain]

I have two kids right now and they are the joy of my life. I would gladly have ten more!! My husband feels the same way. He loves my two as if they were his own and even claims them as his own. We would like to have more kids together, unfortuntately, something is short circuiting that plan, and it just doesn't seem to want to work out. But I just can't IMAGINE a couple not wanting to have children. Especially the woman. I could be wrong, but I just don't think it is natural or psychologically normal for a woman not to at least WANT children.

[meagain]

Bro. Fullerton,

There is more at stake than a man/woman terminating their ability

to have children. There are mindsets involved. Instead of using

other measures that at least gives God an opportunity to have HIS

way as to whether you NEED children or not. In other words making

sure there will be no interuptions in our plans for our lives. Does it not

sound liberating to the young married couple to just "not have to

worry it". We are not talking about NO BIRTH CONTROL. It's about

our taking COMPLETE control of the matter. How many couples have

practiced birth control and yet somehow she became with child. How

many times has that child or children been the blessing that couple

would never have wanted to miss.

I guess Bro RandyWayne's first post sounded too much like this is

the best way to handle birth control. Maybe for him and his wife, it

is.

No one is saying, Bro. Fullerton, that using birth control is sinful. I

am talking about a mindset that having children is low class and the

poor and unsuccessful are the ones having most of them. As I said

in an earlier post, by what measure or standard are we measuring

success! If God's people lose the value of life, we have played

right into the enemy's hands. Children are compared to having

arrows in the quiver of the man who has them. Something or

someone to fight for you in the gate of the enemy when you are

old and greyheaded. That will no doubt be the time it is regretted

and realized what the Word of God was talking about. If someone

older doesn't sound the alarm regarding some things, back to the

younger, coming way behind, how will they know. I looked and

watched, and listened to two generations before me, regarding a

lot of things and I thank God for those on up ahead, passing the

good Word and wisdom of God back to me and mine. Thank You,

Lord God and your people that preceded me and mine.

Even Pharoah and Herod knew how to weaken God's chosen

people. Kill their children. America had better wake up for her

choice of allowing the "killing and shedding of innocent blood".

That is one of the things God hates. We are talking about the

VALUE of LIFE. Children are God's Heritage, not ours. Heritage

or inheritance is what is given to us. We have a goodly heritage.

I never post with the intention of offending but some mindsets

worry me. I do notice that it stirs an element of society when you

speak out against abortion. Why should it bother some when someone

expresses some insights or thoughts that shouldn't offend anyone. We

all have our choice of how we will handle it in our family anyway. The

Bible says the children are like arrows in quiver of the man who has

them. They are like "weapons" or protection for the elderly.

Blessings,

Falla39

I love this post. I also think mindsets in society are changing in a dangerous way. This way of thinking, not wanting children, is more and more common and not seen as strang anymore. There was a time when it would have been unheard of to think like this.
I must disagree with you though on one point. I hate to break it to you, but God actually has very little to do with whether or not we have children. From what I've seen, the issue is out of his hands. Barring unusual circumstances, that is pretty much totally our decision. :)

[meagain]

Also, nowadays, children aren't so much a blessing to the elderly. It used to be that children took care of their parents and protected them when they got old. Now, they just dump them off at a nursing home somewhere, sometimes even going so far as to leave them on the doorstep and drive off.
This is not the same world our grandparents knew.

[Falla39]

I love this post. I also think mindsets in society are changing in a dangerous way. This way of thinking, not wanting children, is more and more common and not seen as strang anymore. There was a time when it would have been unheard of to think like this.
I must disagree with you though on one point. I hate to break it to you, but God actually has very little to do with whether or not we have children. From what I've seen, the issue is out of his hands. Barring unusual circumstances, that is pretty much totally our decision. :)

Dear Meagain,

Just this past Sunday morning a little infant was dedicated to the Lord.

The parents, a precious Hispanic couple who came to us around 7 yrs.

ago, came out of another denomination. Trinitarian. They had received

the Holy Ghost but didn't yet have the revelation of the Mighty God in

Christ and baptism in Jesus Name. Not long after they came, they did

receive this revelation. He had a call on his life to preach the gospel and

now has his license with the UPCI. He and his wife had been married

for 12 yrs. but had no children. They were initally catholic. They wanted

children so badly. They witnessed and brought in many precious spanish

speaking people, baptizing them in Jesus Name and receiving the Holy

Ghost. The doctor told them repeatly for 12 yrs it was impossible for

them to have children. It was griveous for this couple but they kept

birthing spiritual children into the church. Then after raising up a good

spanish work, being faithful to regular church and holding a service one

night a week for the spanish speaking brothers and sisters, this sister

became pregnant and gave birth eighteen months ago to a healthy son

and when he was six months old she became pregnant with another son

who is a few months old. Both are beautiful, healthy and precious to this

faithful couple who was told they would never have children. I can't

agree with you that it is up to us. God is still God and the Word says

it is He that hath made us and not we ourselves. We are His people,

the sheep of HIS pasture. In the Bible there were barren women who

God opened their wombs and they had children. Supernaturally. Who

caused Sarah to bare a child after she was past the age to bear a

child. Hannah prayed for a child and God opened her womb. Whose

choice was it for Mary, a virgin, to give birth to a Son! John the Baptist's

mother, Elizabeth, had a son when she was old. I am just simple enough

to believe that God is in control of this universe.

I don't mean to be offensive and I certainly didn't take offense

for you disagreeing. There is room to dialogue and discuss these

things, don't you think!:nod

Blessings,

Falla39

[Falla39]

Also, nowadays, children aren't so much a blessing to the elderly. It used to be that children took care of their parents and protected them when they got old. Now, they just dump them off at a nursing home somewhere, sometimes even going so far as to leave them on the doorstep and drive off.
This is not the same world our grandparents knew.

Dear Meagain,

Could it be that there is a reason why these things happen! The

Bible says what we sow we will reap. Many children were dropped

off at the day care and the parent/parents drove off. Then there

is the reaping of what was sown. There are circumstances that

require a single mother to work and have to have daycare and it

is so sad. It wasn't God's plan for it to be that way. I grew up in

a home where Mom never worked out of the home. My grandmothers

never worked out of the home. Dad led family alter each night after

working all day on a public job. When I was 18 yrs. old I received

the Holy Ghost. Shortly after that Dad started a work for God in a

small storefront building, beginning it with himself, his wife and their

eleven children. The youngest was born earlier that year. There was

much sacrifice but God honored their desire to raise their family by

the Word of God, to the best of their ability. There is a thriving

church which is still our home church, also to five of our six adult

children and their families. The other one lives in a neighboring city

and attends there. Much effort has been put into this work and be-

cause of the sacrifice of those who have gone before. there is a

place of refuge for many families today, including many of our own.

Mom and Dad have gone home but we honored them as long as

they lived. They were beloved of their children and grandchildren.

We have loved and taught our children to love God and to respect

our parents and now they respect us. We showed by example!

What I am basically saying there is a better way to live. It will no

doubt take sacrifice but it will be worth it in the end. Search out

the old paths wherein is the good way and walk therein.

I would never want to be offensive to those who had no choice

in their circumstances. If we seek God He will lead us and guide

us and help us in any situation. I am a senior sister and I know

whereof I speak.

Bless you, dear Meagain and your family, in Jesus Name!

Falla39

[meagain]

Dear Meagain,

Just this past Sunday morning a little infant was dedicated to the Lord.

The parents, a precious Hispanic couple who came to us around 7 yrs.

ago, came out of another denomination. Trinitarian. They had received

the Holy Ghost but didn't yet have the revelation of the Mighty God in

Christ and baptism in Jesus Name. Not long after they came, they did

receive this revelation. He had a call on his life to preach the gospel and

now has his license with the UPCI. He and his wife had been married

for 12 yrs. but had no children. They were initally catholic. They wanted

children so badly. They witnessed and brought in many precious spanish

speaking people, baptizing them in Jesus Name and receiving the Holy

Ghost. The doctor told them repeatly for 12 yrs it was impossible for

them to have children. It was griveous for this couple but they kept

birthing spiritual children into the church. Then after raising up a good

spanish work, being faithful to regular church and holding a service one

night a week for the spanish speaking brothers and sisters, this sister

became pregnant and gave birth eighteen months ago to a healthy son

and when he was six months old she became pregnant with another son

who is a few months old. Both are beautiful, healthy and precious to this

faithful couple who was told they would never have children. I can't

agree with you that it is up to us. God is still God and the Word says

it is He that hath made us and not we ourselves. We are His people,

the sheep of HIS pasture. In the Bible there were barren women who

God opened their wombs and they had children. Supernaturally. Who

caused Sarah to bare a child after she was past the age to bear a

child. Hannah prayed for a child and God opened her womb. Whose

choice was it for Mary, a virgin, to give birth to a Son! John the Baptist's

mother, Elizabeth, had a son when she was old. I am just simple enough

to believe that God is in control of this universe.

I don't mean to be offensive and I certainly didn't take offense

for you disagreeing. There is room to dialogue and discuss these

things, don't you think!:nod

Blessings,

Falla39

I'm not saying God doesnt' intercede. But I also said, barring unusual circumstances. For the most part, with healthy fertile adults, I really believe God pretty much stays out of it. :)

[BrotherEastman]

interesting thread *I must walk away now, thanks*

[Ghostrider]

Actually, it is much better now. :)
(Still a little bit sore and swollen though.....)

But my vasectomy this last Friday was a raging success! I have to admit, as many have told me, that the procedure itself was not bad at all -although I could have used an arrow in my mouth for the numbing shots. The next few days were pretty uncomfortable though as I could barely move and had constant ice packs on my privates.

Now we just need a few more months to make sure ALL the little stormtroopers are contained behind enemy lines before we can rest easy.

Actually, I THINK my doctor is a "believer" since he showed me a few pieces of the vas he cut out and pointed out how it worked and made reference to the "incredible design" in it.

So, any other "horror stories"? LOLWOW! Bravery beyond....yeeeooowee-wee!:sb: I hope those pesky "stormtroopers aren't erecting crosssover bridges. :icon_juggle: It happens you know. Beware of the catapulters. :icon_seesaw:
:cyclops

[RandyWayne]

I had my first "sample" tested about a month ago now, and there were no swimmers to be found. The second and final test will be sometime in Feb. Once they detect no swimmers in that sample, I am declared officially "safe!".

Honestly, there is no excuse for any man to have to make his wife go through major surgery. This is much simpler!

[Ghostrider]

My husband also sings soprano and that is very good for me! I only wanted two children. It is hard on the body for some. My mother had 10 children - not for me.

Pregnancy was a hard thing for me.

I am very low pain tolerant. I don't even like to play volleyball. It hurts my hands!! lol! And they want you to hit that with the inside of your arms? Are you kidding me? :icon_laug

When I had my second child I told them I wanted something for the pain. They said, "I'm sorry, we have to monitor your body and you can't have anything."

I understood then the stories of women who went nuts having to endure the pain. I was just about there. Wait, it may have had some lasting effects. :icon_laugSinging soprano? lol I've never heard that eu-phem-ism (is there a pun here?) for one who has had a vasectomy. See what you have to look forward to RandyWayne?:dance:

[Ghostrider]

Dear Meagain,

Just this past Sunday morning a little infant was dedicated to the Lord.

The parents, a precious Hispanic couple who came to us around 7 yrs.

ago, came out of another denomination. Trinitarian. They had received

the Holy Ghost but didn't yet have the revelation of the Mighty God in

Christ and baptism in Jesus Name. Not long after they came, they did

receive this revelation. He had a call on his life to preach the gospel and

now has his license with the UPCI. He and his wife had been married

for 12 yrs. but had no children. They were initally catholic. They wanted

children so badly. They witnessed and brought in many precious spanish

speaking people, baptizing them in Jesus Name and receiving the Holy

Ghost. The doctor told them repeatly for 12 yrs it was impossible for

them to have children. It was griveous for this couple but they kept

birthing spiritual children into the church. Then after raising up a good

spanish work, being faithful to regular church and holding a service one

night a week for the spanish speaking brothers and sisters, this sister

became pregnant and gave birth eighteen months ago to a healthy son

and when he was six months old she became pregnant with another son

who is a few months old. Both are beautiful, healthy and precious to this

faithful couple who was told they would never have children. I can't

agree with you that it is up to us. God is still God and the Word says

it is He that hath made us and not we ourselves. We are His people,

the sheep of HIS pasture. In the Bible there were barren women who

God opened their wombs and they had children. Supernaturally. Who

caused Sarah to bare a child after she was past the age to bear a

child. Hannah prayed for a child and God opened her womb. Whose

choice was it for Mary, a virgin, to give birth to a Son! John the Baptist's

mother, Elizabeth, had a son when she was old. I am just simple enough

to believe that God is in control of this universe.

I don't mean to be offensive and I certainly didn't take offense

for you disagreeing. There is room to dialogue and discuss these

things, don't you think!:nod

Blessings,

Falla39 I certainly agree that there is; especially when it is discussed so eloquently, and in such good spirit as you've shown in this thread.

[RandyWayne]

Singing soprano? lol I've never heard that eu-phem-ism (is there a pun here?) for one who has had a vasectomy. See what you have to look forward to RandyWayne?:dance:

No Soprano. Didn't wake up this morning and got myself a gun.....
The only bad part of the whole procedure was the numbing shot -could have used an old wooden arrow between my teeth for that! But everything else went fine. The had to deal with several weeks of soreness, but that is long past.

[meagain]

Aside from it being a more costly and taking more time to heal, I've also heard that women who have tubes tied have problems afterwards with back pain.

[meagain]

I certainly agree that there is; especially when it is discussed so eloquently, and in such good spirit as you've shown in this thread.

Yes indeed. I am most impressed with this persons patience. Most folks would have been ticked off with me by now.
:)

[Pressing-On]

Singing soprano? lol I've never heard that eu-phem-ism (is there a pun here?) for one who has had a vasectomy. See what you have to look forward to RandyWayne?:dance:
A couple of guys at church joked with him about it. lol

When he came into the waiting room he said, in a very high pitched voice, "Okay, honey, all done. Let's go home."

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Actually, he has a very nice tenor voice. Well, a little on the twangy country side, but it's all the Hank Williams he used to listen to. :cyclops

[Ferd]

Sister Falla is awesome.


Also, anyone getting close to my privates with a knife will get killed.

[Pressing-On]

Sister Falla is awesome.


Also, anyone getting close to my privates with a knife will get killed.

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