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yael
10-16-2007, 12:21 PM
Should water, a basic necessity for human survival, be controlled by for-profit interests? And can multinational companies actually deliver on what they promise -- better service and safe, affordable water?

Atlanta's water service had never been without its critics; there had always been complaints about slow repairs and erroneous water bills. But the problems intensified three years ago, says Certain, after one of the world's largest private water companies took over the municipal system and promised to turn it into an "international showcase" for public-private partnerships. Instead of ushering in a new era of trouble-free drinking water, Atlanta's experiment with privatization has brought a host of new problems. This year there have been five boil-water alerts, indicating unsafe contaminants might be present. Fire hydrants have been useless for months. Leaking water mains have gone unrepaired for weeks. Despite all of this, the city's contractor -- United Water, a subsidiary of French-based multinational Suez -- has lobbied the City Council to add millions more to its $21-million-a-year contract.

Already, the two largest players in the industry, French-based conglomerates Suez and Vivendi Universal, manage water for 230 million people, mostly in Europe and the developing world. Now they are seeking access to a vast and relatively untapped market: the United States, where 85 percent of people still get their water from public utilities.
Private water providers have positioned themselves as the solution to the developing world's water problems, notes Hugh Jackson, a policy analyst at the advocacy group Public Citizen. "But it's a lot harder for them to make the case when here, in the world's center of capitalism, cities are delivering tremendous amounts of high-quality, clean, inexpensive water to people."
Yet over the past decade, hundreds of U.S. cities and counties, including Indianapolis and Milwaukee, have hired private companies to manage their waterworks. Currently New Orleans; Stockton, California; and Laredo, Texas, are in the process of going private, although opposition has sprung up in all three cities. Water companies have been conducting annual "fly ins" to Washington, D.C., to press their legislative agenda, lobbying for laws that would protect companies from lawsuits over contaminated water and block municipalities from taking back troubled privatized systems.
Most recently, a bipartisan group in Congress has been pushing a federal waterworks funding bill, advocated by the National Association of Water Companies, which would require cities to "consider" privatization before they can tap federal funds for upgrading or expanding public utilities and would also subsidize such privatization deals.
At the municipal level the lobbying pressure is equally intense, with water companies actively courting local officials (the U.S. Conference of Mayors' Website features a large ad from Vivendi subsidiary U.S. Filter) and spending hundreds of thousands of dollars supporting privatization in local referendums. "It's hard for local guys to turn these companies away," Massachusetts' former water commissioner Douglas MacDonald has said. "They're everywhere, with arms like an octopus."
The argument behind privatization is that only corporate efficiency can rescue the nation's aging waterworks. But if success is measured in terms of delivering an essential commodity to everyone who needs it, then the industry's record is less than encouraging.
Around the world, cities with private water-management companies have been plagued by lapses in service, soaring costs, and corruption.
In Manila -- where the water system is controlled by Suez, San Francisco-based Bechtel, and the prominent Ayala family -- water is only reliably available for two hours a day and rates have increased so dramatically that the poorest families must choose each month between either paying for water or two days' worth of food.
In the Bolivian city of Cochabamba, rate increases that followed privatization sparked rioting in 2000 that left six people dead.
And in Atlanta, city officials are considering canceling United Water's contract as early as this winter. "Atlanta was going to be the industry's shining example of how great privatization is," says Public Citizen's Jackson. "And now it's turned into our shining example about how it maybe isn't so great an idea after all."

ChristopherHall
10-16-2007, 07:26 PM
I work for the city. I've seen privatization absolutely ruin services and then companies even jack up service costs. In the long run it would have been better to leave it public. Hey, at least you could make something an issue at a city hall meeting and demand action, protest, and start a vote drive to make changes when things are public. If they're private...just email the complain department and when Hell freezes over they might find time to get back with you.

coadie
10-30-2007, 03:20 PM
How soon we forget. The Enron scandal called for Enron buying more and more water utilities. These monopolies don't seem to work well.

modestmaiden
10-30-2007, 07:24 PM
Where we live most people get their water from their own wells or ponds or springs. And some get water from utilities , but they are customer owned in our rural area. Our rates are very minimal compared to other places. Actually when we lived in the northern US our rates were even higher than Las Vegas ( They are in the middle of a desert) You would think that rates in a desert would be higher than northern midwest states.


Should water, a basic necessity for human survival, be controlled by for-profit interests? And can multinational companies actually deliver on what they promise -- better service and safe, affordable water?

Atlanta's water service had never been without its critics; there had always been complaints about slow repairs and erroneous water bills. But the problems intensified three years ago, says Certain, after one of the world's largest private water companies took over the municipal system and promised to turn it into an "international showcase" for public-private partnerships. Instead of ushering in a new era of trouble-free drinking water, Atlanta's experiment with privatization has brought a host of new problems. This year there have been five boil-water alerts, indicating unsafe contaminants might be present. Fire hydrants have been useless for months. Leaking water mains have gone unrepaired for weeks. Despite all of this, the city's contractor -- United Water, a subsidiary of French-based multinational Suez -- has lobbied the City Council to add millions more to its $21-million-a-year contract.

Already, the two largest players in the industry, French-based conglomerates Suez and Vivendi Universal, manage water for 230 million people, mostly in Europe and the developing world. Now they are seeking access to a vast and relatively untapped market: the United States, where 85 percent of people still get their water from public utilities.
Private water providers have positioned themselves as the solution to the developing world's water problems, notes Hugh Jackson, a policy analyst at the advocacy group Public Citizen. "But it's a lot harder for them to make the case when here, in the world's center of capitalism, cities are delivering tremendous amounts of high-quality, clean, inexpensive water to people."
Yet over the past decade, hundreds of U.S. cities and counties, including Indianapolis and Milwaukee, have hired private companies to manage their waterworks. Currently New Orleans; Stockton, California; and Laredo, Texas, are in the process of going private, although opposition has sprung up in all three cities. Water companies have been conducting annual "fly ins" to Washington, D.C., to press their legislative agenda, lobbying for laws that would protect companies from lawsuits over contaminated water and block municipalities from taking back troubled privatized systems.
Most recently, a bipartisan group in Congress has been pushing a federal waterworks funding bill, advocated by the National Association of Water Companies, which would require cities to "consider" privatization before they can tap federal funds for upgrading or expanding public utilities and would also subsidize such privatization deals.
At the municipal level the lobbying pressure is equally intense, with water companies actively courting local officials (the U.S. Conference of Mayors' Website features a large ad from Vivendi subsidiary U.S. Filter) and spending hundreds of thousands of dollars supporting privatization in local referendums. "It's hard for local guys to turn these companies away," Massachusetts' former water commissioner Douglas MacDonald has said. "They're everywhere, with arms like an octopus."
The argument behind privatization is that only corporate efficiency can rescue the nation's aging waterworks. But if success is measured in terms of delivering an essential commodity to everyone who needs it, then the industry's record is less than encouraging.
Around the world, cities with private water-management companies have been plagued by lapses in service, soaring costs, and corruption.
In Manila -- where the water system is controlled by Suez, San Francisco-based Bechtel, and the prominent Ayala family -- water is only reliably available for two hours a day and rates have increased so dramatically that the poorest families must choose each month between either paying for water or two days' worth of food.
In the Bolivian city of Cochabamba, rate increases that followed privatization sparked rioting in 2000 that left six people dead.
And in Atlanta, city officials are considering canceling United Water's contract as early as this winter. "Atlanta was going to be the industry's shining example of how great privatization is," says Public Citizen's Jackson. "And now it's turned into our shining example about how it maybe isn't so great an idea after all."

ChristopherHall
10-31-2007, 02:50 PM
More factors go into the cost of water than location. What is surrounded by desert may have adequate amounts of ground water or other fresh water sources. The cost of distribution and treatment may be lower or higher based on quality also.

John Atkinson
10-31-2007, 02:53 PM
Private water providers have positioned themselves as the solution to the developing world's water problems, notes Hugh Jackson, a policy analyst at the advocacy group Public Citizen.
Translation:
Private water providers have positioned themselves to stick their hand in the already near empty pockets of poor people and take what little is left for themselves.

Sometimes I just hate corporations.

ChristopherHall
10-31-2007, 02:55 PM
Here is a sobering quote by Abe Lincoln:“I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed. I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety of my country than ever before, even in the midst of war. God grant that my suspicions may prove groundless.” - U.S. President Abraham Lincoln, Nov. 21, 1864 (letter to Col. William F. Elkins)

John Atkinson
10-31-2007, 03:08 PM
Here is a sobering quote by Abe Lincoln:“I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed. I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety of my country than ever before, even in the midst of war. God grant that my suspicions may prove groundless.” - U.S. President Abraham Lincoln, Nov. 21, 1864 (letter to Col. William F. Elkins)
I think the republic has been dead for several years. The powers that be merely wiggle the corpse's arms every once in awhile to give us the sweaty masses the illusion that it is still alive.

But the body is beginning to smell....

yael
10-31-2007, 05:11 PM
And some have it worse than others.

Somewhere in Colombia - Catchibomba (sp?) -
the people were not even allowed to harvest the rain water!!!!!!!!!!

They are not allowed to go the lake and get their water. It belonged to the company that controlled the distribution of the water that came through pipes.

Well some people could not afford to use the water that came through the pipes so they would go to the lakes. Sorry! you are stealling the water that belonged to company.
Well OK children - we will have to save the water that falls from the sky and use that. Sorry! thats illegal too.

How can a company or a government own water from the sky?

I think they (the citizens) fought that and won but - who even came up with the idea of it?!

ChristopherHall
10-31-2007, 05:14 PM
I think the republic has been dead for several years. The powers that be merely wiggle the corpse's arms every once in awhile to give us the sweaty masses the illusion that it is still alive.

But the body is beginning to smell....

I agree. We're living in a corporate dictatorship and most don't know it yet. Corporations each select and fund their man (or woman) for the office. The one with the most corporate backing wins. Corporations then extend their power into the domestic and international process through their elected officials to protect their own profits and interests.

I don't think anything can be done about it. A violent revolution isn't possible because most don't see it. Political change isn't possible because no one can politically challenge the money and power of those running things behind the scenes. I think we need to just accept the world we're living in and begin thinking about how to survive and maintain civility under the dictatorship.

http://reclaimdemocracy.org/images/corporate%20flag.gif

Norman
11-05-2007, 11:08 PM
I work for a city, in the wastewater treatment department, and I am totally against privatization of water treatment.