"Why did they rip Jesus's beard off?"

[Truthseeker]

BECAUSE THE PHARISEES WANTED HIM CLEAN SHAVED!!!!:laugh: :spin: :yeah: :laugh: :spin: :yeah: :laugh: :spin: :yeah:

[Nawbee]

The Jews of that day tied knots in the corner of their beards that represented numbers. The numbers represented names. These names were the names of God. Of course Jesus would have had "Yah Shua" or "I Am; Salvation" tied in the corner of His beard.

The guards tore this out to "deny" that God would save Jesus.

What they could not tear out was the fact that God was IN Jesus and though He would not save that flesh from the cross, He would, in the end, Save that flesh and the flesh of all who would follow Him as well.

[Nawbee]

To the deeper meaning of your post, I prayed and asked God about my beard. I had one when I first got saved. He Said He put it there...

:D

To those who claim to have the authority to tell me to take it off, I challenge them to post here before all that God Directly told them they have said authority to take dominion over me.

If they will not, God, not I, Command them to be silent.

Matthew 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Hmmm...

It is vain to worship God when you teach the doctrines of men as the Word of God.

Seems a Statement to Command great attention to the sources of all doctrines taught by men, is it not?

[Whosoever Will]

I beieve that story is in the bible just so I can prove that the Lord had a beard, and that therefore it's OK for me to have one too.:p

I enjoy wearing the beard that God gave me. God must have one too, since he created man in his image. God must therefore like beards. I can't wait to tell my UPC friend!:p

(To be taken lightly) :p

[Sandy]

A beard is probably ok today. But you have to wear mens trousers, that is unless you are Scotsman, playing the bag pipes.
:D

The End!!! :bow:

[Warren_A_G]

I think we need to be careful when we talk about the facial hair issue (standard), and/or how we talk about it.

Let's look back at when, and why it was added.
back in the 60's, who were the most likely to have beards, and wierd shaped/groomed moustaches?
Hippy's - The same people who openly took part in fornication, alcoholism, smoking, and the rest of it.
At this time, it was a good step for the church to take, to say No, I am going to be in the world, but not of it, I am not going to act like them, and groom myself in the same manner.

Nowadays this issue has become less of an issue socially, and so should not be such an issue in the church.

It is a fact that corporate america does prefer to do business w/ clean cut/clean shaven men (why, I do not know), and it is said that men who have facial hair may be hiding something, and may not be the most credible witnesses when talking about Jesus.

I myself, do keep myself clean shaven, but on the other hand, I don't see how this issue can be made 1 of such importance.

I believe the UPC's standard's are good ones, but I do believe we need to keep up with the times, instead of just adding things, lets take away one or two that have lost most of thier relevance.

Jesus had a beard, so I know it can't be too detremental to our salvation ;-), but if Jesus were to be alive at say, a time like the 60's when such as what was, were happenning, I do believe maybe he would not have kept his beard.

Anyway, thats my two cents worth,

Have yourselve's a great day,

& Lord bless y'all in Jesus' Name,

Until Next time!

Warren Gross

[Warren_A_G]

Also: I wanted to mention:

This last july, during our Canadian Plains District Camp Meeting, Bro Keys (from Cali) preached on "things well added"
and he talked about every single addition to the manual, and the context it was added in.

If anyone else is interested, and would like to hear the message, Contact me, and I will get a copy of the tape, and upload it onto my website for you.

And also:
Like I said in the above post, I believe we need to be careful when discussing different issues & standards, as not to sew discord among brethren, and not to put down any group, or organization for it's beliefe, or stand on a certain topic.
Just as I believe we as members of the UPC, must be careful not make wrong judgements, or comments aimed at those who do not believe, or practice these same standars, etc.

And for those that are in the UPC, that do not agree with these things, must either learn to live with it, or to find another organization. In order to be able to clean heartedly honor, and obey the authority over us.

Please do keep this in context.

Sorry for writing in two posts, I thought I was done.

May God bless y'all in all you do,

-In Jesus' Name!

Warren Gross

[Truthseeker]

Bro Gross

Yes we must be careful not to sow discord. But Jesus was probably accused of the same in his time. There are some who would say questioning the facial hair thing as discord, but making one shave could be discord.

I think using the 60's to justify this man made tradition is futile.

Now if we are going to go by the 60's, then we shoould go by the 2000's. Now in the 2000s politicians and so on are clean shaved. So maybe to seperate ourselves from looking like a political party we should grow beards.

What the world does or doesn't do with facial hair shouldn't effect what we do. I thought we were seperate from the world.

Points for having facial hair:

1) Jesus and most bible leaders had facial hair. Joseph is the only person that mentions he shaved. He was IN EGYPT and took on their customs. In those days Egyptians shaved, but Gods people didin't.

2) In men it's masculinity. Women have things that make them womenly :) and men have things that make them manly.

Ever been told by someone that women ought to like women and men like men, but then that same person wants men to be clean shaved so there face is like women. Facial hair is GOD given to men to differientiate them from women. No wonder we got this homo spirit running rapid. There comes a point we must be more concerned about God then the approval of an organizations.

We must seek the praise of God more then men.

[Nawbee]

To Warren_A_G:
It is sin to preach the doctrine of men as the Words of God no matter whom you hate and for whatever reason you hate them.

Who is most likely to wear a beard?

Ever hear of "hillbillies"?

:-)

Yes, a care must be had in these discussions. Say what God tells you to say and then, let all men be liars, if that is the case!

[Sandy]

hahahahahaha a hillbilly huh. What is a hillbilly? A billy goat that lives in the hills? :D

Just kidding ya a bit. Since we are now one of them thar critters.

[dllong]

OUI!

Beards, Goatees and Mustaches do not have the same meanings that they did back in the 60's. That era was a troublesome time to say the least. Many churches adopted the "clean cut" look as a result. (Note: the historical pictures of many preachers before the 60's, many had beards and mustaches) They felt a need to seperate themselves from the rebellious attitudes that many people had.
I find this reaction quite lame and without merit. Whats even worse, it became some kind of standard or rule. This can also be said about a few of the other "standards". I beleive many of these man-made standards and rules will be dropped as being unscriptual when the old cronies weed themselves out.
(no disrespect intended)

IMHO

Dave Long

[ddc101]

WHy did they pluck out his beard? Because they had mean and hateful spirits.lv sis.c

[Truthseeker]

You mean it had nothing to do with them wanting him clean shaved? :)

[dllong]

Truthseeker,

Indeed, I wonder why they didn't rip off his bell bottoms and the beads around His neck. :)

Dave

[Truthseeker]

Or take his volkswagen van with the peace signs

[dllong]

Buhahahahah!

(in tears)

[Goodshepherd]

haha................ this is too funny!!

you are all too funny!!

[searching]

Can you see Mary as a flower child??

Me...

[O2blikehim]

Bro. Gross, you stated,
"I believe we need to be careful when discussing different issues & standards, as not to sew discord among brethren, and not to put down any group, or organization for it's beliefe, or stand on a certain topic."

I wholeheartedly agree. It seems church leaders often do not allow for any difference of opinion at all within the local body, but then might be the first to taunt or criticize other Christians who are not a part of the local church body. This is even done from the pulpit, with laughter and applause from the audience. I think it is a disgrace.

In Christ, Stephen

[ddc101]

I have never for once thought that Jesus did not have a beard.lv sis.c

[O2blikehim]

Why did they rip off Jesus' beard?

Because it wasn't a REAL beard he was only wearing a fake beard for the church Easter Drama. The spirit gum wasn't the high quality stuff we have now days and it was starting to peel off so the director said "let's just get rid of the whole thing".

:jk: :yeah:

Stephen

[backseatradio]

hmm, since you guys are talking about Jesus beard being plucked, and I assume thats refering to the torture he was put through when he was killed. Go find it for me in the new testament.

My family to believe that until we went and looked, and if you'll search it out you'll find what we did. In order for us to say its a messianic prophecy it has to have both old testament prophecy and new testament fulfillment. you wont find it in the new testament.

[Melody]

hmm, since you guys are talking about Jesus beard being plucked, and I assume thats refering to the torture he was put through when he was killed. Go find it for me in the new testament.

My family to believe that until we went and looked, and if you'll search it out you'll find what we did. In order for us to say its a messianic prophecy it has to have both old testament prophecy and new testament fulfillment. you wont find it in the new testament.

Isa 50:6 I gave my back to the smiters, and my cheeks to them that plucked off the hair: I hid not my face from shame and spitting.

Mar 15:19 And they smote him on the head with a reed, and did spit upon him, and bowing [their] knees worshipped him.

Luk 22:63 And the men that held Jesus mocked him, and smote [him].
Luk 22:64 And when they had blindfolded him, they struck him on the face, and asked him, saying, Prophesy, who is it that smote thee?
Luk 22:65 And many other things blasphemously spake they against him.

Just because the New Testament is not "specific" concerning the plucking of the beard does not mean that it did not happen. Luke 22:65 many "other things" The rest of this prophecy was fulfilled and there is no reason to think that that part was not also fulfilled.

Isaiah also prophecied.

Isa 52:14 As many were astonied at thee; his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men:

Pulling out a man's beard and thrusting a crown of thorns and beating his face would certainly "mar" his face.

Let us not forget that Jesus came to fulfil the law, AND THE PROPHETS. "Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."

[hazardouszombie]

I certainly agree, hippies, wasn't that mainstream, there are so many other cultures that have no problem with facial hair, in fact in Mexico they don't consider you a man if you don't have a beard. Facial hair in Mexico proves you are a man, no we are not in Mexico, but there are Mexicans in America, I hate it when the rest of us seem to have to fall into whatever the mainstream is doing, I think some of us are still living in the past, ok, people use cars to go and transport drugs, should we stop doing that, they fornicate, no, nothing is evil in itself, but I think that it was maybe good in the 1960's for the mainstream, but the mainstream is no longer the mainstream, people are reproducing and people are immigrating to the US as well, we should be considerate of all. I think its a matter of pride, not wanting to identify with others and considering them nasty and unholy when some of our ways are embarrasing, how come no one attacks racism and lying and gossip like they do sexual sin, these hurt too, now how does having a beard hurt someone, some people just refuse to use their brains.

[ReneeP]

Why did they rip off Jesus' beard?

Because it wasn't a REAL beard he was only wearing a fake beard for the church Easter Drama. The spirit gum wasn't the high quality stuff we have now days and it was starting to peel off so the director said "let's just get rid of the whole thing".

:jk: :yeah:

Stephen

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!
Got to love those fake beards they use during the easter programs!!!!!!!!!!!!

[backseatradio]

Doesn't mean they didn't attempt or even manage to rip out parts of Jesus beard. Knowing how cruel they was to folks back then, it wouldn't have been beyond any roman soldier to try it.

What i'm pointing out is the new testament does not specifially say they plucked his beard, so we have to be careful not to portray that as a 'fulfilled messianic prophecy". its not a messianic prophecy because their is no specific fulfillment written in the new testament.