T. F. Tenney Re-elected! [Archive]

Faithchild

03-22-2003, 02:18 PM

Bro. T. F. Tenney was re-elected at the UPCI LA District Conference in Tioga, LA for another two-year term as District Supt. So much for the naysayers who said appearing on TBN would take him down. He also stated this will be his last term. He is 69 and will not run again in spring 2005.

I, for one, applaud his decision. We need to see more examples of Apostolic leaders who train other leaders, then discern the time to step aside and let others lead. Bro. J. T. Pugh did this several years ago and also has proven since that you don't have to have an elected position to be a leader. The usual modern Apostolic pattern is to resign-by-death!

Many on this board are from Louisiana. My qustion is, who do you think will follow TFT as the next supt. of the UPCI Louisiana District in 2005? From my perspective it will be either Bros. Jerry Jones. Anthony Mangun, Donald Bryan or Jerry Dean.

What do you think?

survivor4christ

03-22-2003, 02:43 PM

Even though I no longer reside in Louisiana, I was born and raised there.

Following the Manguns in ministry while in LA and online since I relocated to CT, I believe that Anthony Mangun can very well be the next super. If he would accept the position is another story. He would follow the leading of the Holy Ghost...

JMHO,
Sis. Wenona

bill

03-24-2003, 08:56 AM

FC,

How could Jones be elected, he doesn't live in LA. He resides in MO and I don't think he'll step down anytime soon. But who knows.

nytxn1971

03-24-2003, 09:32 AM

I'm glad TF got re-elected. He's a good man who truly loves God, and definitely not the 'infidel' some people make him out to be.

Adoniyah

03-24-2003, 08:25 PM

I do not believe Anthony would accept that position, unless he could do it while remaining as Pastor. But then, I may be suprised. By the time the next election comes up he may turn the church over to his assistant, whom he has been grooming for that position anyway. He has made it known that if something were to happen to him, his assistant would take the church.

Supt. job for him might be a good retirment job for a few years. Actually, I cannot think of one who might be a viable candidate, but then when brother Weeks died, I did not dream of brother Tom Fred either.

As to whether there would be a flap of any significance over his appearing on TBN...no way, Jose...he has an ironclad lock on that district.

Faithchild

03-25-2003, 01:22 AM

Not pastoring, Bro. Jerry Jones can be licensed in any district. If he felt it was God's will, he could transfer his license to Louisiana within the next year. The rule is an individual has to be licensed in a District for one year before he could be considered for any position. He would certainly meet the rest of the qualifications.

Anthony Mangun could certainly do it. Within the next few years he should try to build some relationships with the LA rank'n file cardholders like myself. He only hangs with the "platform people." I would want someone who could relate to my own ministry. Being raised in a "hothouse" environment, I'm not sure he could have great input to the small church pastor or typical evangelist.
It will certainly be an interecting election.

bill

03-25-2003, 08:56 AM

FC,

Bro Jones is an exceptionally talented man. Spiritually and in every other area, bro Jones is by far the best candidate for the job, in my opinion. But would he be better serving the nation as a whole in the current position he is in? Time will tell.

For the record, I love Bro Tenney and admire his wisdom and many other things about him. He's one of a kind. But I feel let down, as a young minister, by his appearing on TBN and "prophesying" over them, a prophesy that if it does not come true, will prove him to be a false prophesy. I am somewhat disheartened by the whole thing. Don't get me wrong, it's not because he committed some great sin by promoting a book using free air time. But I am sad because for so long he has taken a stand against TV, and now seems to be promoting it. Why the change? At any rate, it's all in the Lord's hands.

Be blessed

Faithchild

03-25-2003, 02:08 PM

Bill, I certainly respect your opinion though, as usual, I disagree with it. If you'd like to see the Tenney TBN Transcripts, I've posted them in the Manifesto Archive on my website. It's under the "The Tenneygate Update" article.

Btw, our conflicts are not personal. We just consistently have
different views. Conflict triggers passion which in turn spawns interesting reading.So I have nothing against you as a person,but when it comes to Christian lifestyle issues, I tend to view you as a mindless polly-parrot who automatically believes whatever he's told or told to read.

nytxn1971

03-25-2003, 02:19 PM

stmatthew

03-25-2003, 02:55 PM

Bro Yohe,

How about looking at it from a different viewpoint. A preacher stands and preaches for years against TV, and then all of the sudden gets on a TV. Not just on TV, but on a broadcast that promotes fasle doctrine to the T(enney) (hehehe, i just couldn't help it). It is not suprising that many feel let down.

Let me say that it personally does not matter to me what the man did. God is his judge, not me. The above is just so I can read the witty response that I know you will post. :laugh:

ddc101

03-25-2003, 05:41 PM

Bro.Yohe,
For years I have told my husband I felt Bro.Anthony Mangun would be the next Supt.He just has always looked at me and said
HUH? One of the things this man of God has going for him is that he is used to pastoring diversity.That is a big plus.As far as only fellowshipping the platform people I don't know anything about that.But I do know that the whole Mangun family would rally behind him.They really put on a good ministers conference each year and are well respected in the La Dist UPC as you know.Just my op.lv sis.c

Faithchild

03-25-2003, 07:10 PM

Stmatthew, I don't know how witty this is but I do understand where you are coming from. I think we have to give people room to change when they hear from God. Do we only trust people who cling to the same methodology? As long as his message remains the same, I will follow. Unfortunately some folk have merged their methods with their message. It is almost impossible for them to change because their previous radical positions have painted them into a philosophical corner. In every prior reference to television, I've heard Bro. Tenney preach against the depiction of evil and dutifully enforce the UPCI Manual which is his job. I have never been privy to any private conversation of what he personally believes.

Nathan

03-26-2003, 12:03 AM

Bro. Yohe,

You hit the nail on the head with your "resignation by death" comment.

I mentioned this elsewhere in a standards-related discussion, but we have a major problem in this movement with learning how and when to "let go."

We do not know when to "let go" and let new leadership in place, and we are unable to discern when we need to "let go" of some standards and embrace others.

We didn't have enough sense to "let go" of our stance on TV, just like many other things.

I sat under Bro. Paul Mooney for a few months. He's a very intelligent man, very sharp, yet he's struggling with the TV issue. He told a group of us that TV ministry was "ineffective," that it was a waste of time and something we shouldn't even WORRY about pursuing -- yet he stood at Steadfast Conference and said that TBN and other "trinitarian networks" had become a MAJOR concern for the Apostolic movement.

Then, to compound the hypocrisy, he said that he can't yet think of any strategy to combat this!

I sat there thinking, "DUH! It's right in front of your face, if you can take the traditional blinders off and see it!"

What's the answer?

Fight fire with fire!

If we don't want them spreading trinitarianism on TV, then let's get on TV ourselves! We responded to the massive wave of anti-apostolic propaganda on the Internet with websites of our own, so why aren't we reacting the same way here?

Frankly, people who don't want to use TV to reach the lost have absolutely no vision. God has given it to us as a tool -- and yes, like ANY OF GOD'S GIFTS, Satan has twisted and used it for his own agenda -- but that doesn't mean that WE can't use it!

Satan uses the Internet to enslave millions to pornography (amongst other things), yet we have no qualms about an open presence on the Internet!

Satan uses the God-given gift of tongues and counterfeits it in other religions to sow confusion, does that mean we stop speaking in tongues?

We are such hypocrites! :)

In any regard, TF Tenney is a wonderful man who gets my vote. If all UPCI leadership had his spirit, we'd be a lot closer to where God wants us to be. I thank God for visionary leaders like TF Tenney and Anthony Mangun, men who are reaching out to the our brothers and sisters in Christ that we have shunned for so long.

I think ... slowly -- ever so slowly -- but surely .... the UPCI is beginning to move into the 21st century and its ultimate destiny.

Warren_A_G

03-26-2003, 01:14 AM

AMEN NATHAN!

I don't think I could have said it half as good!

You are 100% right!

While I do agree with the UPC, and the standards thereof, we do need to fight fire with fire as you put it.
I believe what Bro. Tenny did was right, not only because I do admire the man for who he is.
And like I said before, I believe he did it the right way, he received an invitation, and took it to the District Board before appearing. You can't get much more noble than that!

We need to take the gospel to the world, where they are!
and where are they?
Majority of them are in front of the television more than thier desk at work.

Just like you said,
Satan came on the internet with a vengeance, so we countered,
Satan tries to mimick our experience, but we keep on truckin anyway.

So now it is time, to take the bull by the horns, and show the devil what we are made of.
We are not a bunch of scaredy-cats afraid of technology, and reaching the lost.
There are some that may not have thier eyes upon Jesus,
But as for the rest of us, Lets show the world, who Jesus really is.

May the Lord richly bless y'all in al, you do,
In Jesus' Name!
Until next time
Warren Gross!

Oldpreach

03-26-2003, 01:36 AM

Yohe to Bill :"So I have nothing against you as a person,
but when it comes to Christian lifestyle issues, I tend to view you as a mindless polly-parrot who automatically believes whatever he's told or told to read."

I just got out of a meeting where there was a major move of the holy ghost and thankfully , got to over-filling myself. Its just crushing to read statements like this after such a meeting. Its just so plain to see that meaness is not a fruit of the spirit...but meekness is. Please dont bother to respond with mean jab at me....im not going to read it. Ive politely asked Bro. Atkinson to ask J. Yohe to stop...so im hoping for some professional ministerial polite conduct in the future towards others. Lord , help us to "love one another fervently out of a pure heart !"

Nathan

03-26-2003, 07:07 AM

Frankly, Oldpreach, there are a LOT of those "mindless polly-parrots" in Pentecost. They're like mechanized robots who repeat exact phrases and answers from their pastor. They can't think for themselves.

Of course, there are people like that in EVERY denomination, but still ....

I'm not saying you're that type of person, I don't know you, but Bro. Yohe isn't off his rocker for thinking that that element is there...

Warren,

Amen. :)

ddc101

03-26-2003, 09:38 AM

Mudslinging reminds me of Louisiana politics.You should all be here around election time.It really is something else.sis.c

stmatthew

03-26-2003, 11:04 AM

The million dollar question:

Will going on TV cause us Apostolics win the masses??

While I am not necessarily against ministry on tv, I believe the pattern in the bible shows how souls where reached. It was not mans advertisement that grabbed peoples attention. It was the power of God working thru men (signs and wonders, miracles and healings) that always brought a response from sinners. It created interest. The world is not interested in our fine preaching (inticing words most of the time, IMHO), what the sinner wants is reality. We preach an all powerful God that heals, yet our churches are full of sickness. We preach a God that delivers from sin, yet sin seems to remain in the camp, and to many times is found in the leadership itself.

I truly believe tv is unnecessary to reach souls. If we will get off our duffs and get down to business with God, humble our selfs, seek his face, turn from our wicked, Laodecean ways, we will have life (revival). And life will beget life.

just mho

Faithchild

03-26-2003, 11:09 AM

Nathan, it's no big deal. Bill and Oldpreach are just a few of the flock of birds that live in the '40's retro-cage. I occasionally try to stimulate a little brain activity in them but it is difficult. Why?

They're only equipted with "Record" and "Play" buttons.:D

ThirdGeneration

03-26-2003, 11:15 AM

Stmatt- Actually Paul headed for the influence centers of his day; including the cultural center (Jerusalem); the intellectual center (Corinth) and the major center of influence (Rome).

What is the major influence center in our day? If you said the media, you get a cookie!

Faithchild

03-26-2003, 11:16 AM

Bro. Burdette, you are correct. TV will not win souls. Men and women of God getting off their duffs and getting out where the sinners are win souls. God working through people even on television will win the lost. People win people. Television ministry is merely taking the same message and annointing and allowing more people access to it. TV, Radio, Internet ministries are obeying the mandate to "Go ye into ALL the world . . ." Yes it's a worldy medium, that's the whole point.

nytxn1971

03-26-2003, 11:25 AM

Amen, Bro, Yohe.

I've used this analogy before, but maybe it's worth repeating...

Jonah was brought near to Ninevah by the 'image' of the god the people of Ninevah worshiped at the time, a huge fish.
God Almighty decided that this was the best way to deliver his message of repentance. He chose that method so the people of Ninevah would listen to Jonah.

If God almighty used the image of the god of the people of Ninevah to deliver his message of repentance to them, how is it wrong for us to use the image of the 'god' of people in the world to deliver the Gospel to them?

Faithchild

03-26-2003, 11:29 AM

Outstanding!

stmatthew

03-26-2003, 11:49 AM

Bro Ron,

The only flaw I see in your senerio is that Ninevah is about 1500 miles from the mediteranian coast. I don't believe the Ninevites saw Jonah spit out of the fishes mouth. I believe he had to travel there.

Xerf

03-26-2003, 12:07 PM

Isn't it amazing how that people love illustrations that coincide with their belief system and are revolted at those that oppose the same? The "fish" illustration, as StMatt observed, will not hold water, the twisting of facts to make a thing fit is where all false doctrines are born. Sorry no cigar on that fish story!

nytxn1971

03-26-2003, 12:13 PM

I didn't say he was dropped off in front of Ninevah, and if you read what the bible says in Jonah 3:3, it says it was three days' journey from where he was let off. I highly doubt he traveled 1500 miles by foot (or by horse, donkey, or camel) in three days.

Who's twisting the facts? I just gave you the scripture, look it up for yourself. :D

No offense intended, but that seems to blow your theory of no one seeing him being vomitted up onto shore by a huge fish since he was 1500 miles away from the city...

stmatthew

03-26-2003, 12:17 PM

Third,

Paul headed where the Holy Ghost sent him. He reached those around him. My point is not to say tv will reach no one. My point is that I believe it would be just another program. The reason we are not seeing an abundance of harvest, IMHO, is because of our lack. Not because there is not opportunity, The harvest fields are white. Yet when all we can offer is a dead program, a message of the letter, and a run around the church (when the "spirit" is really moving), how can we expect much response.

In the 50's and 60's, AA Allen, William Branham, Oral Roberts, Jack Coe, David Terrell, and a host of others traveled around the country setting up tents. I can remember as a little boy being in David Terrells meetings. He had a 6 pole tent that sat about 5000. The seats were full, there was people standing around the inside and outside of the tent. I know at that time he preached truth. So what brought people there by the multitudes. It was the signs and wonders, the miracles and healings. The demonstration that God was alive and well.

I guess my over all view is just that I see tv as just another program. We are trying to fix the fruit, instead of dealing with the root. We need preachers and saints alike to get to business with God. Joel said to fast and weep. I see this as the only solution. Can these bones live?? Only if God breaths life into them!

JMHO

Xerf

03-26-2003, 12:22 PM

Besides it does not say that Ninevah repented because they saw the fish, it says they repented at the preaching of Jonah!

God chose the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe---not the farce of fish stories!

Faithchild

03-26-2003, 12:22 PM

Just another program? And the world-at-large sees us as just another church. God watches over His Word to perform it. We should plant it and not judge the ground. Let God determine that.

Xerf

03-26-2003, 12:23 PM

And they saw Jesus as just another man.

stmatthew

03-26-2003, 12:29 PM

Bro Ron,

My Brother, I am not being mean spirited, so I hope you don't take my posts as such.

Read the account again. It never says Jonah traveled 3 days to get to Ninevah. It says that Ninevah was so large it took 3 days to get from on side of Ninevah to the other. and that Jonah traveled 1 day into the city and there started preaching.

Jonah 3:3
So Jonah arose, and went unto Nineveh, according to the word of the LORD. Now Nineveh was an exceeding great city of three days' journey.

Jonah 3:4
And Jonah began to enter into the city a day's journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown.

Xerf

03-26-2003, 12:30 PM

FC, I notice you quote Samuel Chadwick, here is another example of his insight:

The Church is the Body of Christ, and the Spirit is the Spirit of Christ. He fills the Body, directs its movements, controls its members, inspires its wisdom, supplies it's strength. He guides into truth, sanctifies its agents, and empowers for witnessing. The Spirit has never abdicated His authority nor relegated His power. Neither Pope nor Parliament, neither Conference nor Council is supreme in the Church of Christ. The Church that is man-managed instead of God-governed is doomed to failure. A ministry that is College-trained but not Spirit-filled works no miracles. The Church that multiplies committees and neglects prayer may be fussy, noisy, enterprising, but it labors in vain and spends its strength for nought. It is possible to excel in mechanics and fail in dynamic. There is a superabundance of machinery; what is wanting is power. To run an organization needs no God. Man can supply the energy, enterprise, and enthusiasm for things human. The real work of a Church depends upon the power of the Spirit. The Presence of the Spirit is vital and central to the work of the Church. Nothing else avails. Apart from Him, wisdom becomes folly, and strength weakness. The Church is called to be a "spiritual house" and a holy priesthood. Only spiritual people can be its "living stones," and only the Spirit-filled its priests.

The Church always fails at the point of self-confidence. When the Church is run on the same lines as a circus, there may be crowds, but there is no Shekinah. That is why prayer is the test of faith and the secret of power. The Spirit of God travails in the prayer-life of the soul. Miracles are the direct work of His power, and without miracles the Church cannot live. The carnal can argue, but it is the Spirit of God that convicts. Education can civilize, but it is being born of the Spirit that saves. The energy of the flesh can run bazaars, organize amusements, and raise millions; but it is the presence of the Holy Spirit that makes a Temple of the Living God. The root-trouble of the present distress is that the Church has more faith in the world and in the flesh than in the Holy Ghost, and things will get no better till we get back to His realized presence and power. The breath of the four winds would turn death into life and dry bones into mighty armies, but it only comes by PRAYER!

Faithchild

03-26-2003, 12:31 PM

Bro. Bill, I certainly have YOUR attention (but I confess, only after reading a book on Child Psychology in an attempt to get on your level in my posts to you). Think now. What were you told to say about TV ministry? You know, that big square box with moving pictures? Ah, yes, run the counter up to, that's it, push "Play."

Good boy! Polly wanta cracker?:D

Xerf

03-26-2003, 12:32 PM

Correct StMatt! That is the correct rendering of those verses. Ninevahites NEVER saw Jonah's fish taxi. Nor was that a part of their repentance.

bill

03-26-2003, 12:33 PM

Bro Ron,

You said this, "God Almighty decided that this was the best way to deliver his message of repentance. He chose that method so the people of Ninevah would listen to Jonah."

You have a lot of good thoughts and I always enjoy reading what you have to say, but I have to disagree here.

As Xerf pointed out, God did not use the whale for the purpose of preaching or reaching the people. There is no evidence in the scriptures that God used the whale to help the people repent. On the contrary, God uses MEN and God uses Jona's preaching to reach those people.

I think you're onto something, but I think you're missing the larger picture.

God used the thing that Jona would have detested (the image of the God of those people) in order to influence him to repent. God used the whale on Jonah in order to humble his hard heart. All at once he found himself in the whale of the people's god he was supposed to be preaching to. God knows how to humble us and God knew exactly what it took to humble Jona.

By your analogy, the whale represents the T.V. "ministry". If that be true, we should remember that it was in the whale's belly that Jona did not belong! In fact, had he done the will of God in the first place, he would have never had an encounter with the whale. Perhaps we should take your example to heart after all, if we're doing God's will, we won't end up on the T.V. (whale vomit)!

I don't see the whale argument carrying any weight to using T.V. But it was a nice try. :)

Faithchild

03-26-2003, 12:42 PM

Xerf, that's a powerful quote. Where did you get it?

nytxn1971

03-26-2003, 12:43 PM

Yep, I guess I wasn't reading it the right way. I stand corrected. I will no longer use that argument.
:)

...But it doesn't change my opinion on using TV as a medium to reach the lost. I believe we should use all the tools that we have at our disposal to reach people with the Gospel. That includes the media, which TV is included in.

Xerf

03-26-2003, 12:51 PM

The test of a true man--can he admit he is falliable when confronted with his failure?

I salute you NXT!

Xerf

03-26-2003, 12:54 PM

FC, the quote comes from the book,

"The Way To Pentecost" by Samuel Chadwick

nytxn1971

03-26-2003, 12:55 PM

Hey, when you're wrong, you're wrong. Right?
lol

Xerf

03-26-2003, 12:56 PM

Yes, but you do it with such style!! :)

stmatthew

03-26-2003, 12:57 PM

Xerf,

I liked that!! Here is one by E.M. Bounds from his book Power Thru prayer.

WE are constantly on a stretch, if not on a strain, to devise new methods, new plans, new organizations to advance the Church and secure enlargement and efficiency for the gospel. This trend of the day has a tendency to lose sight of the man or sink the man in the plan or organization. God's plan is to make much of the man, far more of him than of anything else. Men are God's method. The Church is looking for better methods; God is looking for better men.
There was a man sent from God whose name was John. The dispensation that heralded and prepared the way for Christ was bound up in that man John. Unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given.The worlds salvation comes out of that cradled Son. When Paul appeals to the personal character of the men who rooted the gospel in the world, he solves the mystery of their success. The glory and efficiency of the gospel is staked on the men who proclaim it. When God declares that the eyes of the Lord run to and fro throughout the whole earth, to show himself strong in the behalf of them whose heart is perfect toward him, he declares the necessity of men and his dependence on them as a channel through which to exert his power upon the world. This vital, urgent truth is one that this age of machinery is apt to forget. The forgetting of it is as baneful on the work of God as would be the striking of the sun from his sphere. Darkness, confusion, and death would ensue.

What the Church needs to-day is not more machinery or better, not new organizations or more and novel methods, but men whom the Holy Ghost can use. Men of prayer, men mighty in prayer. The Holy Ghost does not flow through methods, but through men. He does not come on machinery, but on men. He does not anoint plans, but men. Men of prayer.

I think there are a few typos in the above, but you get the picture I am sure :)

John Atkinson

03-26-2003, 12:58 PM

Bro Bill and Faithchild: I suggest you guys read the following post:

http://www.goodnewscafe.net/forum/showthread.php?threadid=99

Unless of course this is merely light-hearted banter, not the trading of insults.

nytxn1971

03-26-2003, 12:58 PM

I know, I'm such a trendsetter!
:angel:
Pfft! Yeah, sure! :rolleyes:
:D

Xerf

03-26-2003, 01:20 PM

StMatt, that was almost an identical response from Bounds. Interesting.

Here is a clip from Chadwicks biography:

At the age of 21 he was appointed lay pastor of a chapel at Stacksteads, Lancashire. It was no dream appointment! The congregation was self-satisfied.

Yet Chadwick threw himself in with great optimism. He had been trained to prepare well-researched and interesting sermons as the sure way to bring in the crowds. He recalled later:

"This led unconsciously to a false aim in my work. I lived and laboured for my sermons, and was unfortunately more concerned about their excellence and reputation than the repentance of the people."

Soon, however, his sermons were exhausted and nothing had changed. Staring defeat in the face and sensing his lack of real power, an intense hunger was kindled within him for more of God. At this point he heard the testimony of someone who had been revitalised by an experience of the Holy Spirit. So, with a few friends he covenanted to pray and search the scriptures until God sent revival.

"Destitute of the Fire of God, nothing else counts; possessing Fire, nothing else matters."

Faithchild

03-26-2003, 01:52 PM

Admin, Bill is just so much fun to needle! I actually like him! I've even given him a free copy of my book, "Believer's Bootcamp" (which he complimented, read the archives). One of the reasons is-he is where I used to be. I used to be Bill. That's why I know what buttons to push. I'm willing to drop it. I'll quit feeding him crackers if he'll stop chirping everytime I get near his cage!

(Honey, where's that parrot cage-cover?

Truthseeker

03-26-2003, 01:59 PM

FC

Who's that hippie looking image of yours

ddc101

03-26-2003, 02:03 PM

Jim
a button just popped off your suit coat.Lay off the gumbo.lv sis.c:eek:

nytxn1971

03-26-2003, 02:33 PM

eek!

You guys are just plain rough.
:)

Nathan

03-26-2003, 05:55 PM

Bro. Yohe,

I'm seriously enjoying your posts. :)

Does PPH publish your material? If so, I'm suprised.... didn't know they were in the habit of publishing anything not regurgitated from the old Play/Record button you were talking about. ;)

Ron,

Good to see ya, bro ... you never returned my email. Married life keeping you away from your old bachelor friend? ;)

Oldpreach

03-27-2003, 12:12 AM

"It is often asked , "how come the standard is different in defferent places?" I ask you , " does the weakness of a few make it right for all?" I am sure that some of the Isrealite captives did eat the unclean food, but Daniel and his friends are fairer and fatter than them all.

Some churches may allow ladies to wear slacks and to have cut hair. They permit T.V.s , ect. , but God does not change. What was evil years ago is still evil today. The message has not changed. What was right is still right. We still get the spirit the way the Apostles did. God still demands speration for His Church.

Pentecost ,in some peoples eyes , is like a supermarket. You can buy any brand you want - with holiness ,without holiness ;with Jesus name ; without Jesus name - and the list goes on. However , thetruth is that one cannot partake of the "king's meat" keep his identity as a child of God. Seperation from the world still makes one look better and actually be better than al the rest.

Some people feel sorry for their children because they cannot go certain places or do certain things. "Try it for ten days" and see the difference. Take a look at those who have lived it all their lives. They are "fairer and fatter" spiritually. The results of seperation are amazing"

Selected - from the writing of J.H. Yohe Sr.

Faithchild

03-27-2003, 12:26 AM

Oldpreach, Dad was a hard-liner. He was a great man and did a wonderful work for God in me (whether you believe it or not). Bro. Tingle reprints some of Dad's stuff in America's Christian Newspaper from time to time. I suspect that's where you picked up the quote. As far as I know, Dad never wrote a line. But a lot of his sermon quotes have been transcribed and formatted for years. He died at the age of 61, on June 24, 1992. Life has never been the same without him. His most dramatic works were establishing the UPCI work in Ghana, Africa with a month-long 3000-soul revival, establishing three UPCI Districts - North Dakota, South Dakota, and Nebraska. And the founding of Lighthouse Ranch for Boys in Louisiana. Thanks for the reminder. :bow:

Nathan

03-27-2003, 12:38 AM

Oldpreach,

Could you be any more insensitive? Could you take a cheaper shot? You hardliners can be disgusting at times, you know that? :)

In either regard, it seems you're so caught up on some antiquated Amish dress code that you've forgotten what holiness IS. To borrow from the text ... It's not owning a TV or not owning a TV, cutting your hair or not cutting your hair ... *sigh*

A good tree brings forth good fruit. Holiness is the tree (the state of the heart, the condition of the mind), the actions are the fruit (dress, speech, actions, etc., etc.)

When are you guys ever going to figure that out?

Oldpreach

03-27-2003, 01:03 AM

FC , yes , your Father was true blue im sure , and had a wonderful relationship with the Lord. It certainly shows in this sermon where i selected a few lines. I know that what is in Bro. Tingles paper are usually prints of sermons. I have read may of your psts Brother , and am convinced that you have many insights to share and are usually of a good natured spirit. I just think we do each other an injustice to assume that all cpnservatives are cookie cutter , dry , unanointed dim bulbs...and also that all liberals are loose , illogical , and shallow. Some are and some arent of each variety. We ALL have standards in every area...its just some folks differ as to where they are. Im sure we ALL agree that the organ player should not be up on the platform in a bathing suit....unless your neece maybe...(oops , just playing off your comment to her from the other day.) Anyway , God bless you and yours...id much rather have a good feeling between us.

Now ,Nathan , your assumming a HUGE amount of things about me...you dont know the first thing about me really. Woooh now , slow down a bit there pard . I understand the inward / outward holiness concept. Please dont take the few conservative folks that are dry and all about outward confomity and spread that out to us all , ok?

accurate

03-27-2003, 01:56 AM

ignore this message, im new here and testing out profile settings, thanks

Nathan

03-27-2003, 07:28 AM

Oldpreach,

That's fine, I believe you ...

It just sort of got me that you'd go quoting things from Bro. Yohe's late father's book to support your argument against him.

My father and I disagree on a lot, but if he was to pass away and someone starting quoting things he said to try to bolster their argument, I'd think it was quite a low shot. :)

ddc101

09-27-2004, 10:46 PM

foreverblessed

09-28-2004, 12:02 AM

Boy I miss Jim.Especially his wit.lv sis.c

Yeah, there was only one Jim Yohe. I miss him too Sis C.

jhlent

09-28-2004, 01:56 AM

AMEN - Amen...... I sure do miss him also

tufluv

09-28-2004, 08:20 AM

Wow, what a time capsule!
Xerf and Yohe interchange..

As for BroJim...I am sorry for his passing, he way way too young, dying way before his father's age.
I for one, while also enjoying his 'wit', do NOT miss his not-too-subtle blasts at really nice saints (i.e. BroTim, other ministers, even myself, etc.)
HE is forgiven, but not forgotten.

Former PK

09-28-2004, 12:21 PM

Speacking of Bro. Tim. I haven't seen him around recently.

Or are we just reading different treads?

tufluv

09-28-2004, 12:23 PM

Speacking of Bro. Tim. I haven't seen him around recently.

Or are we just reading different treads?
Sometime back, he posted that he'd be gone for a while due to other spiritual obligations..sorta like BroBallard recently posted.

Gods messanger

09-30-2004, 08:26 PM

It is wonderful that Brother T.F.Tenney was re-elected. He is a true man of God. He will be hard to replace. Donald Bryan , Thomas Gibson, or Anthony Mangun would all be excellent choices , I can not that I have ever heard a negative word about any of them, they are all men of honor. I would like to say that over the years Brother Tenney has been a true role model for me as well as many others that I know of and I count it and honor to have the privledge of having both Brother and Sister Tenney to look up to, Since I was a child I have watched there lives and they have set wonderful examples of a christian life. I am so thankful for such positive role models. Even my teen age children look up to the Tenneys , I have heard many people talk about generation gaps, however the Tenneys have earned the respect of the everybody, and it take s special people to be able to close a generation gap, but they did it. Brother and Sister Tenney, i do not know if you will ever read this but on behalf of my Generation and the Generation of my children I would like to say thank you for being such a Godly example for us to follow.

KINGSKID

09-30-2004, 08:44 PM

Jerry Jones would make and excellent choice, however so would Donald Bryan. they are both true men of God. I am sorry to here that Brother Mangun has withdrawn, he would be a good leader as well. However I think that Kenneth Gibson would also be a very good choice. Brother Tenney will be a hard person to replace... he has set such a good example and who ever follows after him will have some big shoes to walk in. I have had the honor of getting to know many of them over the years and I can say honestly that God has blessed Louisiana with some of the most Godly men and women that I know. I count it an honor to have been raised in the Louisiana District. I too would like to Say thank you to Brother Tenney for setting such a wonderful example.

timlan2057

10-03-2004, 08:27 PM

I never met Jim Yohe. I started posting some on FCF after he died. I wish I would have had the opportunity to post with him.

Anyway, I posted this over there on what I think will happen regarding Louisiana's next District Superintendent.

I make a definite prediction so I'll either hit the nail on the head or miss it completely.

With AM out of the picture, there is no one who really stands out as a clear favorite or frontrunner.

In my opinion, here are a group of pastors who would all make great District Superintendents of smaller districts in the UPC ... I just see the job of Louisiana District Superintendent being a bit big for any of these right now ... being that these are tumultuous times in the UPC and Louisiana is the UPC's most visible district.

Here is the list:

David Hennigan
C. J. Walea
James Whitehead
Donald Bryan
Ricki Pavlu
Ronnie LaCombe
Jerry Dean
Dan Davis
Crawford Coon
Danny Chance
Mark Foster

These people all fit the classic Louisiana District model of "mainline conservatism with very little shift to the right or left throughout the list.

Hennigan? I rate him "first among equals" ... probably the most capable of having a consenus or coalition needed to win to unite behind him.

Walea? A very good friend of mine and I've heard enough talk where you should not be totally shocked and floored if he is elected ... but it's not likely.

Davis? Highly visible in the district ... now pastors First UPC of Baton Rouge ... but the label, while not justified, of being a JCM "music man" would probably sink him.

Coon? Good man and diplomatic. But a little too conservative and a little too old.

Chance? He could get some votes because of name recognition. At this point the older pastors may be looking for some recognizable name in the district and Danny's father, longtime board member Glenn Chance, is way too old.

Foster? Take the SAME thing written for "Chance" and just substitute the name "Foster" - even down to his father being a long-time board member but too old to be considered for DS.

Pavlu? May be the best qualified from an "administrative" and "educational" standpoint. One of the lesser qualified as far as a strong personality. Hey, filling TFT's shoes will not be easy for anyone.

Okay. With Anthony Mangun bowing out ... don't be TOO shocked if T. F. Tenney announced between now and March that he was going to hold off retiring for a couple years. Most likely not but don't discount the possibility.

It would be easy for me to hide behind generalities but hey. I feel bold so let me make an absolute prediction.

With AM out of the picture, Curtis Young will exercise the fact that he is still a Louisiana minister. Convenient for him is that he is not pastoring right now.

Curtis Young will be elected Louisiana District Superintendent in March 2005.

He's a little older so he will be a "transitional" Superintendent ... the first Louisiana has ever had. He'll take the district in a slightly more conservative direction.

The Louisiana District will not have 42nd cousin relative close to the turmoil that the Western District has, but look for there to be a bit more grumbling in the ranks.

Remember - you read it here first.

ddc101

03-03-2005, 12:02 PM

Brother on Sunday mornings we attend Brother Pavlu's assembly and have known him for at least fifteen years.He is an awesome pastor.He is a peacemaker.If Louisiana Dist needs anything it needs this the most.
I am not sure if such a strong personality is the best thing.
Education would not be a bad thing.In fact with as many pentecostal churches in Louisiana why do we not have a bible college?
No we just want to keep the dumb cajun rap I suppose.
I think we all need to be the best we can be.
I have seen men and women both start going to Churchpoint Pentecostal church and become better providers for their families and better witnesses for the Lord.They can pay their bills etc.A good report among the brethren and community is to me of upmost importance in a minister.
Many can preach it up but are not christian and surrendered in all areas of life.Brother Pavlu promote christian family life and leads the men in the assembly committed to his care into a greater walk of family responsibility.I love it.
I do not know if he would ever want the job but believe me he is capable.
lv sis.c

Ferd

03-03-2005, 01:01 PM

ddc101

03-03-2005, 02:26 PM

Tim you unemployed bum.You are predicting a weird turn of events.
I think most of LA (and I do hear alot) are wanting more conservative.
I have heard it all week long.
He will not wait to concede as the district conference is up soon and all is proceeding as planned.lv sis.c

Ferd

03-03-2005, 02:40 PM

ddc101

03-05-2005, 12:02 AM

I am hearing alot of Crawford Coon.

tjboy

03-05-2005, 12:10 AM

Praise the Lord Saints,,,,, speaking of Pastor Mangun,, did anyone hear him preach at the winterfire conf.last weekend????

vishwaswife

03-07-2005, 11:21 AM

Praise the Lord Saints,,,,, speaking of Pastor Mangun,, did anyone hear him preach at the winterfire conf.last weekend????

It was awesome! Do you still have your "Special" pin on that he spoke about? That was too good! :tup: Glad to hear you enjyed Winterfire! Our church co-Hosts it. I love to hear good feedback!

Apostolicdad

03-07-2005, 02:38 PM

I just got out of a meeting where there was a major move of the holy ghost and thankfully , got to over-filling myself. Its just crushing to read statements like this after such a meeting. Its just so plain to see that meaness is not a fruit of the spirit...but meekness is. Please dont bother to respond with mean jab at me....im not going to read it. Ive politely asked Bro. Atkinson to ask J. Yohe to stop...so im hoping for some professional ministerial polite conduct in the future towards others. Lord , help us to "love one another fervently out of a pure heart !"
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so well put

ddc101

03-07-2005, 03:03 PM