Barack Hussein fact sheet

[coadie]

Barack Hussein Obama facts.
50 Lies and Counting: Posted on Political forum.com - Elections and Campaigns .

1.) Selma Got Me Born - LIAR, your parents felt safe enough to have you in 1961 - Selma had no effect on your birth, as Selma was in 1965.

2.) Father Was A Goat Herder - LIAR, he was a privileged, well educated youth, who went on to work with the Kenyan Government.

3.) Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter - LIAR, he was part of one of the most corrupt and violent governments Kenya has ever had

4.) My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom - LIAR, your cousin Raila Odinga has created mass violence in attempting to overturn a legitimate election in 2007, in Kenya . It is the first widespread violence in decades.

5.) My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian - LIAR, she does her daily Salat prayers at 5am according to her own interviews. Not to mention, Christianity wouldn't allow her to have been one of 14 wives to 1 man.

6.) My Nae is African Swahili - LIAR, your name is Arabic and 'Baraka' (from which Barack came) means 'blessed' in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama.

7.) I Never Practiced Islam - LIAR, you practiced it daily at school, where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that faith for 31 years,until your wife made you change, so you could run for office.

8.) My School In Indonesia Was Christian - LIAR, you were registered as Muslim there and got in trouble in Koranic Studies for making faces (check your own book).

9.) I Was Fluent In Indonesian - LIAR, not one teacher says you could speak the language.

10.) Because I Lived In Indonesia , I Have More Foreign Experience - LIAR, you were there from the ages of 6 to 10, and couldn't even speak the language. What did you learn, how to study the Koran and watch cartoons.

11.) I Am Stronger On Foreign Affairs - LIAR,
except for Africa (surprise) and the Middle East (bigger surprise), you have never been anywhere else on the planet and thus have NO experience with our closest allies.

12.) I Blame My Early Drug Use On Ethnic Confusion - LIAR, you were quite content in high school to be Barry Obama, no mention of Kenya and no mention of struggle to identify - your classmates said you were just fine.

13.)An Ebony Article Moved Me To Run For Office - LIAR, Ebony has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.

14.) A Life Magazine Article Changed My Outlook On Life - LIAR, Life has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.

15.) I Won't Run On A National Ticket In '08 - LIAR, here you are, despite saying, live on TV, that you would not have enough experience by then, and you are all about having experience first.

16.) Present Votes Are Common In Illinois - LIAR, they are common for YOU, but not many others have 130 NO VOTES.

17.) Oops, I Misvoted - LIAR, only when caught by church groups and democrats, did you beg to change your misvote.

18.) I Was A Professor Of Law - LIAR, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.

19.) I Was A Constitutional Lawyer - LIAR, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.

20.) Without Me, There Would Be No Ethics Bill - LIAR, you didn't write it,introduce it, change it, or create it.

21.) The Ethics Bill Was Hard To Pass - LIAR, it took just 14 days from start to finish.

22.) I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill - LIAR, your bill was rejected by your own party for its pandering and lack of all regulation - mainly because of your Nuclear Donor, Exelon, from which David Axelrod came.

23.) I Have Released My State Records - LIAR, as of March, 2008, state bills you sponsored or voted for have yet to be released, exposing all the special interests pork hidden within.

24.) I Took On The Asbestos Altgeld Gardens Mess - LIAR, you were part of a large group of people who remedied Altgeld Gardens . You failed to mention anyone else but yourself, in your books.

25.) My Economics Bill Will Help America - LIAR, your 111 economic policies were just combined into a proposal which lost 99-0, and even YOU voted against your own bill.

26.) I Have Been A Bold Leader In Illinois - LIAR, even your own supporters claim to have not seen BOLD action on your part.

27.) I Passed 26 Of My Own Bills In One Year - LIAR, they were not YOUR bills, but rather handed to you, after their creation by a fellow Senator, to assist you in a future bid for higher office.

28 .) No One C ontacted Canada About NAFTA - LIAR, the Candian Government issued the names and a memo of the conversation your campaign had with them.

29.) I Am Tough On Terrorism - LIAR, you missed the Iran Resolution vote on terrorism and your good friend Ali Abunimah supports the destruction of I srael.

30.) I Am Not Acting As President Yet - LIAR, after the NAFTA Memo, a dead terrorist in the FARC, in Colo mbia, was found with a letter stating how you and he were working together on getting FARC recognized officially.

31.) I Didn't Run Ads In Florida - LIAR, you allowed national ads to run 8-12 times per day for two weeks - and you still lost.

32.) I Won Michigan - LIAR, no you didn't.

33.) I won Nevada - LIAR, no you did not.

34.) I Want All Votes To Count - LIAR, you said let the delegates decide.

35.) I Want Americans To Decide - LIAR, you prefer caucuses that limit the vote, confuse the vot ers, force a public vote, and only operate during small windows of time.

36.) I passed 900 Bills in the State Senate - LIAR, you passed 26, most of which you didn't write yourself.

37.) My Campaign Was Extorted By A Friend - LIAR, that friend is threatening to sue if you do not stop saying this. Obama has stopped saying this.

38.) I Believe In Fairness, Not Tactics - LIAR, you used tactics to eliminate Alice Palmer from running against you.

39.) I Don't Take PAC Money - LIAR, you take loads of it.

40.) I don't Have Lobbysists - LIAR, you have over47 lobbyists, and counting.

41.) My Campaign Had Nothing To Do With The 1984 Ad - LIAR, your own campaign worker made the ad on his Apple in one afternoon.

42.) My Campaign Never Took Over MySpace - LIAR, Tom, who started MySpace issued a warning about this advertising to MySpace clients.
43.) I Inspire People With My Words - LIAR, you inspire people with other people's words.

44.) I Have Passed Bills In The U.S. Senate - LIAR, you have passed A BILL in the U.S. Senate - for Africa , which shows YOUR priorities.

45.) I Have Always Been Against Iraq- LIAR, you weren't in office to vote against it AND you have voted to fund it every single time, unlike Kucinich, who seems to be out gutting you Obama. You also seem to be stepping back from your departure date - AGAIN.

46.) I Have Always Supported Universal Health Care - LIAR, your plan leaves us all to pay the 15,000,000 who don't have to buy it.

47.) I Only Found Out About My InvestmentConflicts Via Mail - LIAR, both companies you site as having sent you letters about this conflict have no record of any such letter ever being created or sent.

48.) I Am As Patriotic As Anyone - LIAR, you won't wear a flag pin and you don't put your hand over your heart during the Anthem.

49.) My Wife Di dn't Mean What She Said About Pride In Country - LIAR, your wife's words follow lock-step in the vain of Wright and Frrahkan, in relation to their contempt and hatred of America .

50.) Wal-Mart Is A Company I Wouldn't Support - LIAR, your wife has received nearly a quarter of a million dollars through Treehouse, which is connected to Wal-Mart.

[warrior]

Could you possibly show this guy any more love than you already have. Help us Lord!

[Manila1485]

Help us Lord, indeed if he gets elected.

[John Atkinson]

Help us Lord, indeed if he gets elected.
indeed Barack in office is the stuff nightmares are made out of.

[dlanto]

Did you ever notice that he is constantly having to apologize for something?

[warrior]

At least he has the humility to apologize. Our current mess of a president just keeps on putting the nation in jeopardy physically, and financially and just stands around stuttering and looking as stupid as he really is. To think.... so many people want another four years of this foolishness. Obama is better than anything that we currently have and have choices to elect in the very near future.

I am sure my opinion isn't the most popular one on this board, but it is my opinion and I can speak it, if I choose to do so.

[John Atkinson]

At least he has the humility to apologize. Our current mess of a president just keeps on putting the nation in jeopardy physically, and financially and just stands around stuttering and looking as stupid as he really is. To think.... so many people want another four years of this foolishness. Obama is better than anything that we currently have and have choices to elect in the very near future.

I am sure my opinion isn't the most popular one on this board, but it is my opinion and I can speak it, if I choose to do so.
And my opinion is that if Obama is elected I would surely wish for another country to immigrate to as I believe he will be the worst thing to ever happen to the United States... bad enough to possibly end it. I have never been afraid of a politician getting elected....until now.

[warrior]

There are several countries for you to choose from.

[John Atkinson]

There are several countries for you to choose from.
I doubt the Czech Republic will have me :sb:

[Manila1485]

At least he has the humility to apologize. Our current mess of a president just keeps on putting the nation in jeopardy physically, and financially and just stands around stuttering and looking as stupid as he really is. To think.... so many people want another four years of this foolishness. Obama is better than anything that we currently have and have choices to elect in the very near future.

I am sure my opinion isn't the most popular one on this board, but it is my opinion and I can speak it, if I choose to do so.


If you choose to do so? It looks like you did choose to do so. :) I'm teasing you.

Seriously though, why wouldn't he apologize? He's running for President. He'd be foolish not to apologize...even more foolish than the outrageous things he says. It is more political expediency than humility. If I could give him one piece of advice, that would be that a closed mouth gathers no foot. Nah, he should keep talking.

[dlanto]

At least he has the humility to apologize. Our current mess of a president just keeps on putting the nation in jeopardy physically, and financially and just stands around stuttering and looking as stupid as he really is. To think.... so many people want another four years of this foolishness. Obama is better than anything that we currently have and have choices to elect in the very near future.

I am sure my opinion isn't the most popular one on this board, but it is my opinion and I can speak it, if I choose to do so.


I have to ask, how has our current president put us in harms way? I am just wondering. If you are referring to Iraq I will agree that we should not have gone in there until we had Bin Laden but what is done is done. Let me give you a couple of facts though.

1. We had a missionary from the middle east come to our church a few weeks ago. He said don't let the liberal media fool you into thinking Iraq did not have WMDs. He said he was invited by Sadaam Hussein to come to an evangelical ministers meeting. While in Iraq he got sick and had to go to the hospital. They had to hook up IVs to him. He said it got so bad he had to come home to go to a doctor. After doing tests on him they found him full of chemicals that would be used in WMDs. The weapons were hid in the basement of the hospital and the chemicals leaked into the medicine.

2. My wife talked to her cousin on Sunday, who was blown up over in Iraq as a service man. His son inlaw had just gotten back. He said that things are a lot different now then they were at the beginning. What you can buy here you can now buy there. So, once again the liberal media has made it worst then what it really is.

So I really can't agree with you that we are in harms way much anymore. I think he has made it better.

[JRK]

And my opinion is that if Obama is elected I would surely wish for another country to immigrate to as I believe he will be the worst thing to ever happen to the United States... bad enough to possibly end it. I have never been afraid of a politician getting elected....until now.


I could not agree more!

[Hnovilla]

His NAME is Jesus!


John Atkinson:
"I have never been afraid of a politician getting elected....until now. "

I would think you should have felt that way when Nixon was elected. The biggest farce, and most dangerous, was the election of Reagan, the Drug Lord. But I can understand that fear seemed so far away, because of the naivete of those times.


"I have to ask, how has our current president put us in harms way? I am just wondering. If you are referring to Iraq I will agree that we should not have gone in there until we had Bin Laden but what is done is done. Let me give you a couple of facts though.

1. We had a missionary from the middle east come to our church a few weeks ago. He said don't let the liberal media fool you into thinking Iraq did not have WMDs. He said he was invited by Sadaam Hussein to come to an evangelical ministers meeting. While in Iraq he got sick and had to go to the hospital. They had to hook up IVs to him. He said it got so bad he had to come home to go to a doctor. After doing tests on him they found him full of chemicals that would be used in WMDs. The weapons were hid in the basement of the hospital and the chemicals leaked into the medicine.

2. My wife talked to her cousin on Sunday, who was blown up over in Iraq as a service man. His son inlaw had just gotten back. He said that things are a lot different now then they were at the beginning. What you can buy here you can now buy there. So, once again the liberal media has made it worst then what it really is.

So I really can't agree with you that we are in harms way much anymore. I think he has made it better."

1) A missionary is "full of chemicals"...
Tell me, who used college students as guinea pigs to test LSD, and what, pray tell, is "Agent Orange"?
2) Buying "things" is not equivalent to an American actually living there. Or, why are U.S. troops still patrolling the streets in Iraq?
3) Pres. Bush has made it better for the corporate greedsters. It is the average citizen who is footing the bill. As a cartoonist once said, "We have met the enemy, and they is us!"


Brother villa

[John Atkinson]

His NAME is Jesus!


John Atkinson:
"I have never been afraid of a politician getting elected....until now. "

I would think you should have felt that way when Nixon was elected. The biggest farce, and most dangerous, was the election of Reagan, the Drug Lord. But I can understand that fear seemed so far away, because of the naivete of those times.


"I have to ask, how has our current president put us in harms way? I am just wondering. If you are referring to Iraq I will agree that we should not have gone in there until we had Bin Laden but what is done is done. Let me give you a couple of facts though.

1. We had a missionary from the middle east come to our church a few weeks ago. He said don't let the liberal media fool you into thinking Iraq did not have WMDs. He said he was invited by Sadaam Hussein to come to an evangelical ministers meeting. While in Iraq he got sick and had to go to the hospital. They had to hook up IVs to him. He said it got so bad he had to come home to go to a doctor. After doing tests on him they found him full of chemicals that would be used in WMDs. The weapons were hid in the basement of the hospital and the chemicals leaked into the medicine.

2. My wife talked to her cousin on Sunday, who was blown up over in Iraq as a service man. His son inlaw had just gotten back. He said that things are a lot different now then they were at the beginning. What you can buy here you can now buy there. So, once again the liberal media has made it worst then what it really is.

So I really can't agree with you that we are in harms way much anymore. I think he has made it better."

1) A missionary is "full of chemicals"...
Tell me, who used college students as guinea pigs to test LSD, and what, pray tell, is "Agent Orange"?
2) Buying "things" is not equivalent to an American actually living there. Or, why are U.S. troops still patrolling the streets in Iraq?
3) Pres. Bush has made it better for the corporate greedsters. It is the average citizen who is footing the bill. As a cartoonist once said, "We have met the enemy, and they is us!"


Brother villa

In reality Bro Villa, even though I find Barak's policies scary, the real truth is that even if he does win the election and occupies the oval office, the same people who have been in charge for the last 50 years will still be in charge.

Politicos come and go, but the power behind the thrones remain and process their agenda regardless of who the people elect.

The American people are duped into thinking they have a choice and that their choice will make a difference. Vote Barak, Vote McCain... Doesn't matter. Had Gore won 8 years ago....9/11 still would have happened and we would still be in Iraq now. Because the powers behind the thrones deem it so.

The only REAL choice any of us has is choose Jesus or choose the world.

I like making inflammatory comments when it comes to politics, I need to work on that.

I am not even sure I will vote at all this time.

[Hnovilla]

His NAME is Jesus!


John Atkinson:
"In reality Bro Villa, even though I find Barak's policies scary, the real truth is that even if he does win the election and occupies the oval office, the same people who have been in charge for the last 50 years will still be in charge.
The American people are duped into thinking they have a choice and that their choice will make a difference. Vote Barak, Vote McCain... Doesn't matter. Had Gore won 8 years ago....9/11 still would have happened and we would still be in Iraq now. Because the powers behind the thrones deem it so.

The only REAL choice any of us has is choose Jesus or choose the world."

I second that post. President Eisenhower warned us of the "Industrial Military Complex" 50+ years ago, and we still fell into their trap! The powers that are in charge have never been elected nor run for office: the first Bush came out of that and their influence elevated him into the presidency.

Surely the only hope for the Church lies in the Lord Jesus. But let us not forget that it is Him, and Him alone, that raises men into power. We must also understand that it is NOT because of a man's suave words, charisma, or merit which the Lord looks upon to empower man; rather, it is the Lord's divine PLAN which must be fulfilled. And yes, the Lord will use evil men to complete that which he has planned: or who was the Pharoah?

If the Church would only employ at least the same amount of time in prayer, as we do on the internet and standing in line for a voting booth!


Brother villa

[yael]

Obama Y'all ! :)

[Manila1485]

That's what we are scared of! ;)

[W. J. Maria]

Oh, come on, can we be a little bit charitable about Barack Obama? That fact sheet is full of inaccuracies. For example, Obama is a name from a native Kenyan language, and is not in the least an Arabic name.

Yes, if I was a card carrying member of the Nazi party of America or of The Ku Klux Klan I would be very scared of Obama. But none of us are racist idiots, nor is racism allowed at GNC. We've gotten crooks, bad movie stars, failed oil men, and warmongers in the White House, what can we lose by electing someone who looks completely different and will act different. Viva Obama! And Viva Michelle! It will be nice to have a First lady who does not look like a Stepford Wife.

[JRK]

Oh, come on, can we be a little bit charitable about Barack Obama? That fact sheet is full of inaccuracies. For example, Obama is a name from a native Kenyan language, and is not in the least an Arabic name.

Yes, if I was a card carrying member of the Nazi party of America or of The Ku Klux Klan I would be very scared of Obama. But none of us are racist idiots, nor is racism allowed at GNC. We've gotten crooks, bad movie stars, failed oil men, and warmongers in the White House, what can we lose by electing someone who looks completely different and will act different. Viva Obama! And Viva Michelle! It will be nice to have a First lady who does not look like a Stepford Wife.


You are so funny! I totally do not think that Hillary or Laura look like Stepford wives! However I do agree that we have mostly unsavory Democrats & Rebublicans in politics.

I also say Go McCain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Manila1485]

Oh, come on, can we be a little bit charitable about Barack Obama? That fact sheet is full of inaccuracies. For example, Obama is a name from a native Kenyan language, and is not in the least an Arabic name.

Yes, if I was a card carrying member of the Nazi party of America or of The Ku Klux Klan I would be very scared of Obama. But none of us are racist idiots, nor is racism allowed at GNC. We've gotten crooks, bad movie stars, failed oil men, and warmongers in the White House, what can we lose by electing someone who looks completely different and will act different. Viva Obama! And Viva Michelle! It will be nice to have a First lady who does not look like a Stepford Wife.


It's got nothing to do with race. In fact, I think you were the first to mention racism in this thread. There are plenty of other reasons not to like the man without involving race. Lack of experience being one of them. It's very laughable that there are some that are for Obama who can't talk about anything but race (i.e. Wright, Flager) and anybody who is against Obama, gets the topic of race thrown up at them.

[coadie]

At least he has the humility to apologize. Our current mess of a president just keeps on putting the nation in jeopardy physically, and financially and just stands around stuttering and looking as stupid as he really is. To think.... so many people want another four years of this foolishness. Obama is better than anything that we currently have and have choices to elect in the very near future.

I am sure my opinion isn't the most popular one on this board, but it is my opinion and I can speak it, if I choose to do so.
And then hussein favors the killing of the innocnet unborn by abortion.

45 million dead babies. We need to vote against abortion.

[Hnovilla]

His NAME is Jesus!


coadie:
"And then hussein favors the killing of the innocent unborn by abortion.
45 million dead babies. We need to vote against abortion."

A way to lessen abortions is to first LIMIT them by making stricter guidelines. Those who oppose our morality have learned how to "chip away" at our faith/belief system. We must learn how to "chip away" at their imorality, and take our country back. But without a REAL public platform, this will be very difficult to undertake.

Voting against anything is never enough. Voting, today, only serves as a means to dissuade, discourage, and appease our conscience. First, the political sytem has the American people very polarized; second, the same system has made it nearly impossible for the citizenry to be able to bring many items to the voting table. Insted of voting PRO or CON, it limits us to voting for an individual and limiting our options. We need to have two primaries, do away with the electoral college, and limit the primaries to a three-four month (?) span.

We should open the primaries to ALL citizens. We could use one primary to select a party and vote, within that party, for platforms which we agree with: pro-choice, abortion, gun laws/gun rights, etc.

The two or three parties with the most votes (with a minimum 20% of the electorate) will then nominate the candidates WITHIN their respective parties, and offer them to the electorate.

The secondary primary will be to nominate and vote (one person/one vote) for the candidate of their choice. The top three parties with at least 20% of the votes go on unto the General Election.


Brother villa

[W. J. Maria]

You are so funny! I totally do not think that Hillary or Laura look like Stepford wives! However I do agree that we have mostly unsavory Democrats & Rebublicans in politics.

I also say Go McCain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for finding me funny! Hillary is not much like a Stepford wife; but both Laura Bush and Cindy McCain remind me of Stepford wives. Only Michelle Obama has the full range of facial expressions of a natural human being. That's why I like her. Maybe it is not appropriate to be like that when you are a First lady. Maybe Michelle will have to learn to Stepfordize her face, LOL.

[W. J. Maria]

It's got nothing to do with race. In fact, I think you were the first to mention racism in this thread. There are plenty of other reasons not to like the man without involving race. Lack of experience being one of them. It's very laughable that there are some that are for Obama who can't talk about anything but race (i.e. Wright, Flager) and anybody who is against Obama, gets the topic of race thrown up at them.

I'll be frank about this. One of the things I like about Obama is that his election will uplift the spirits of African Americans and people of color everywhere. And I think that that in itself is a good thing. Race will always be an issue regarding Obama, whether we like it or not.

It is OK to be against Obama of course, but some of the stuff on the fact sheet that started this thread, such as the fact that part of his name is Arabic, looks too much like an excuse of finding something wrong about the man, without wanting to say what is really wrong about him. That is what bothers me.

[JRK]

I'll be frank about this. One of the things I like about Obama is that his election will uplift the spirits of African Americans and people of color everywhere. And I think that that in itself is a good thing. Race will always be an issue regarding Obama, whether we like it or not.

It is OK to be against Obama of course, but some of the stuff on the fact sheet that started this thread, such as the fact that part of his name is Arabic, looks too much like an excuse of finding something wrong about the man, without wanting to say what is really wrong about him. That is what bothers me.

I think EVERYONE should do their research on each canidate to see exactly where they stand on key issues. Race should NEVER be a factor for your vote. As far as I'm concerned, I have not seen anyone here being racist. People are simply stating facts. His middle name is Arabic.

[coadie]

Oh, come on, can we be a little bit charitable about Barack Obama? That fact sheet is full of inaccuracies. For example, Obama is a name from a native Kenyan language, and is not in the least an Arabic name.

Yes, if I was a card carrying member of the Nazi party of America or of The Ku Klux Klan I would be very scared of Obama. But none of us are racist idiots, nor is racism allowed at GNC. We've gotten crooks, bad movie stars, failed oil men, and warmongers in the White House, what can we lose by electing someone who looks completely different and will act different. Viva Obama! And Viva Michelle! It will be nice to have a First lady who does not look like a Stepford Wife.

Obama is enthusiastic in favor of abortion. Abortion is pro death and not a negotiable for me. Abortion is set up to be the current black genocide in america. most abortuaries are near black neighborhoods and fuinction to eliminate what Sanger the founder of planned parenthood called unwanted weeds. Of all people on this planet, Blacks need to see the abortion industry kills unborn and born babies and is killing more that a normal percentage of blacks at that.

[W. J. Maria]

I think EVERYONE should do their research on each candidate to see exactly where they stand on key issues. Race should NEVER be a factor for your vote. As far as I'm concerned, I have not seen anyone here being racist. People are simply stating facts. His middle name is Arabic.

The etymological origin of someone's name should never be a factor either. Saying his middle name is Arabic is just as irrelevant as saying his skin is melanine-rich.

Or else, if you won't vote for him because his middle name is Arabic, why can't I vote for him because he's got a nice suntan (and smile)?

[coadie]

The etymological origin of someone's name should never be a factor either. Saying his middle name is Arabic is just as irrelevant as saying his skin is melanine-rich.

Or else, if you won't vote for him because his middle name is Arabic, why can't I vote for him because he's got a nice suntan (and smile)?

:usflag:

Only those of us living in the 57 states Obama visited. + the 58 th state

[JRK]

The etymological origin of someone's name should never be a factor either. Saying his middle name is Arabic is just as irrelevant as saying his skin is melanine-rich.

Or else, if you won't vote for him because his middle name is Arabic, why can't I vote for him because he's got a nice suntan (and smile)?

You can vote for him for any reason that you think of. That is why the US is the land of the free. However I would hope all Americans vote based on their morals & do their research on what the canidates stand for, not based on what they look like! By the way, his name means nothing to me, but the research I have done about him makes me sick!

[dlanto]

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A gold plated idol of Lord Hanuman will be presented to Obama (PTI)


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NEW DELHI: With Democrat senator Barack Obama busy in the run-up to the US presidential polls, a group of well-wishers in the capital have decided to send him a symbol of his lucky charm, Lord Hanuman, to help him emerge victorious.

Obama's representative Carolyn Sauvage-Mar on Tuesday received a gold-plated two-feet-high idol which she will pass it on to the Obama after it is sanctified.

The idol is being presented to Obama as he is reported to be a Lord Hanuman devotee and carries with him a locket of the monkey god along with other good luck charms.

An hour-long prayer meeting to sanctify the idol was earlier organised at Sankat Mochan Dham and by Congress leader Brijmohan Bhama, Balmiki Samaj and the temple's priests.

"Obama has deep faith in Lord Hanuman and that is why we are presenting an idol of Hanuman to him," said Bhama.

Accepting the souvenir, Sauvage-Mar, who is chairperson of Democrats Abroad-India, said, "Obama has extended his thanks for the support."

However, questions on Obama's religious beliefs elicited just a smile from Sauvage-Mar, apparently to avoid controversy back home where the Democrat senator is pitted against the Republican Party's John McCain in the Presidential polls.

The idol will be kept at the temple for 11 more days and then sent to US.

"We will perform the prayers for 11 days and then hand the idol to Carolyn who will send it to Obama," said the temple priest

[dlanto]

Since I added a fact about Obama, thought I would also add one about the McCains to be fair.


Cindy Hensley McCain:



This is an interesting article as not much was

known about her. She was on Leno the other night and

it was an interesting interview. It turns out that she is a

character as she is or has been a race car driver and

is also a pilot. She is also a pilot and flies John

around the country to his rallies. After hearing that about her

and reading this I now have a lot of respect for her.



Election 2008: Cindy Hensley McCain has been

disparaged as a trophy wife, a Barbie, an heiress with

fancy purses, even the Paris Hilton of politics. But

there's more to the picture than meets the eye.



Yes, Mrs. McCain is the perfectly coifed

blonde standing dutifully behind the senator during his speeches.

And yes, she wears stylish clothing and carries a

Prada purse. And it's true she doesn't say much. But

feminist critics who write her off as a

'stand-by-your-man' shrinking violet are

selling her short. In many ways, Cindy McCain stacks up

sturdier than Hillary Clinton or Michelle Obama. And she'd

make a much more impressive first lady.



Mrs McCain: More than meets the eye.



While Obama's wife has been hating America,

complaining about the war and undermining our troops

serving in Afghanistan, McCain's wife has been

worrying about her sons who actually are fighting or

planning to fight in the war on terror. One, in fact,

was until a few months ago deployed in Iraq during some of

the worst violence.



You don't hear the McCains talk about it,

but their 19-year-old Marine, Jimmy, is preparing for his

second tour of duty. Their 21-year-old son, Jack, is

poised to graduate from Annapolis and also could join the

Marines as a second lieutenant. The couple made the decision

not to draw attention to their sons out of respect for other

families with sons and daughters in harm's way.



Cindy also says she doesn't want to risk

falling apart on the campaign trail talking about

Jimmy who was so young when he enlisted she had to sign consent

forms for his medical tests before he could report for duty

and potentially upsetting parents of soldiers who are

serving or have been killed.



The McCains want to make sure their boys get

no special treatment. Same goes for their five other

children, including a daughter they adopted from Bangladesh .

During a visit to Mother Teresa's orphanage there, Cindy

noticed a dying baby. The orphanage could not provide the

medical care needed to save her life. So she brought the child

home to America for the surgery she desperately needed. The

baby is now their healthy, 16-year-old daughter, Bridget.



Though all seven McCain children including two

Sen. McCain adopted from his first marriage are supportive

of their father, they prefer their privacy to the glare

of the campaign trail. Another daughter, Meghan,

23, helps him behind the scenes.



Cindy McCain not only cherishes her children,

but also her country, which in an election year filled

with America-bashing, is a refreshing novelty. She seethed

when she heard Michelle Obama's unpatriotic remarks

that she only recently grew proud of America. 'I am very

proud of my country,' Mrs. McCain asserted.



She also may be tougher than the other women

in the race. While Hillary thinks she's come under sniper

fire on mission trips abroad, Cindy has actually seen

violence. She witnessed a boy get blown up by a mine in Kuwait

during a trip with an international group that removes land

mines from war-torn countries.



Mrs. McCain also is a hands-on philanthropist.

She sits on the board of Operation Smile, which arranges

for plastic surgeons to fix cleft palates and other birth

defects. She also has helped organize relief missions

to Micronesia.



During a scuba-diving vacation to the islands,

Mrs. McCain took a friend to a local hospital to have a cut

treated. She was shocked, and saddened, by what she

saw. 'They opened the door to the OR, where

the supplies were, and there were two cats and a whole

bunch of rats climbing out of the sterile supplies, ' she

recalled. 'They had no X-ray machine, no beds. To

me, it was devastating because it was a U.S. trust

territory.'



As soon as she returned home, she arranged for

medical equipment and teams of doctors to be sent to

treat the island children.



Michelle Obama may contribute to CARE, which

fights global poverty and works to empower poor women. Cindy

sits on its board.



While the Democrat women talk about helping

the poor and needy, Cindy McCain actually rolls up her

sleeves and does it. Who's the out-of-touch elitist?



'If we ever forget that we're one nation

under God, then we will be a nation gone under.'

Ronald Reagan

[John Atkinson]

While the Democrat women talk about helping

the poor and needy, Cindy McCain actually rolls up her

sleeves and does it. Who's the out-of-touch elitist?

No matter how much you post facts about the so-called "stepford wife", you won't convince the dems who have their mind al made up about the New Communist America. Obama is the meal ticket for the willfully and willingly disenfranchised of society.

Who was it that said "Once people figure out they can vote thmselves entitlement the country is done"?

Guess what, the country is done.

But, the Kingdom I belong to is far from it. Far from it.

[dlanto]

Amen Bro. Atkinson. I am the citizen of 3 countries.

1. USA
2. Canada
3. Most importantly a country who's maker is God.

[Former PK]

In the past few days someone sent me an E-Mail contrasting the demographics between the areas of the country that vote for which party.

The bottom line was Republicians carry the land-holding, work ethic driven, get it the job done parts. While the Demos carry the metropolitian, inner-cities, what will the government do for me crowd.

[JRK]

I have read alot of about the McCain's & I think they are both amazing people! People may sterotype Cindy & say she is a stepford wife, (Funny that most of those calling her a Stepford wife wants to scream sterotype if one doesn't care for Obama!)but since when is it wrong to support your husband's dreams & be a class act doing so? She is a very talented, giving lady! I would be proud to call John McCain president & Cindy the 1st lady! On another note, I really like Bobby Jindal who may possibly be McCains VP.

[John Atkinson]

In the past few days someone sent me an E-Mail contrasting the demographics between the areas of the country that vote for which party.

The bottom line was Republicians carry the land-holding, work ethic driven, get it the job done parts. While the Demos carry the metropolitian, inner-cities, what will the government do for me crowd.

Can I have a copy of that? My da and I trade these sort of emails and I haven't seen that one yet: john@johnatkinson.us

[Hnovilla]

His NAME is Jesus!


dlanto:
"Cindy Hensley McCain: "

I think I would vote for her as first lady; however, I would not want a Republican president. Look what they have already done to us in the last seven years in the name of God and country.


Former PK:
"The bottom line was Republicians carry the land-holding, work ethic driven, get it the job done parts. While the Demos carry the metropolitian, inner-cities, what will the government do for me crowd."

Beloved, you are not doing yourself a favor by invoking that e-mail. Your "slip" is showing!


Brother villa

[coadie]

Since I added a fact about Obama, thought I would also add one about the McCains to be fair.


Cindy Hensley McCain:



This is an interesting article as not much was

known about her. She was on Leno the other night and

it was an interesting interview. It turns out that she is a

character as she is or has been a race car driver and

is also a pilot. She is also a pilot and flies John

around the country to his rallies. After hearing that about her

and reading this I now have a lot of respect for her.



Election 2008: Cindy Hensley McCain has been

disparaged as a trophy wife, a Barbie, an heiress with

fancy purses, even the Paris Hilton of politics. But

there's more to the picture than meets the eye.



Yes, Mrs. McCain is the perfectly coifed

blonde standing dutifully behind the senator during his speeches.

And yes, she wears stylish clothing and carries a

Prada purse. And it's true she doesn't say much. But

feminist critics who write her off as a

'stand-by-your-man' shrinking violet are

selling her short. In many ways, Cindy McCain stacks up

sturdier than Hillary Clinton or Michelle Obama. And she'd

make a much more impressive first lady.



Mrs McCain: More than meets the eye.



While Obama's wife has been hating America,

complaining about the war and undermining our troops

serving in Afghanistan, McCain's wife has been

worrying about her sons who actually are fighting or

planning to fight in the war on terror. One, in fact,

was until a few months ago deployed in Iraq during some of

the worst violence.



You don't hear the McCains talk about it,

but their 19-year-old Marine, Jimmy, is preparing for his

second tour of duty. Their 21-year-old son, Jack, is

poised to graduate from Annapolis and also could join the

Marines as a second lieutenant. The couple made the decision

not to draw attention to their sons out of respect for other

families with sons and daughters in harm's way.



Cindy also says she doesn't want to risk

falling apart on the campaign trail talking about

Jimmy who was so young when he enlisted she had to sign consent

forms for his medical tests before he could report for duty

and potentially upsetting parents of soldiers who are

serving or have been killed.



The McCains want to make sure their boys get

no special treatment. Same goes for their five other

children, including a daughter they adopted from Bangladesh .

During a visit to Mother Teresa's orphanage there, Cindy

noticed a dying baby. The orphanage could not provide the

medical care needed to save her life. So she brought the child

home to America for the surgery she desperately needed. The

baby is now their healthy, 16-year-old daughter, Bridget.



Though all seven McCain children including two

Sen. McCain adopted from his first marriage are supportive

of their father, they prefer their privacy to the glare

of the campaign trail. Another daughter, Meghan,

23, helps him behind the scenes.



Cindy McCain not only cherishes her children,

but also her country, which in an election year filled

with America-bashing, is a refreshing novelty. She seethed

when she heard Michelle Obama's unpatriotic remarks

that she only recently grew proud of America. 'I am very

proud of my country,' Mrs. McCain asserted.



She also may be tougher than the other women

in the race. While Hillary thinks she's come under sniper

fire on mission trips abroad, Cindy has actually seen

violence. She witnessed a boy get blown up by a mine in Kuwait

during a trip with an international group that removes land

mines from war-torn countries.



Mrs. McCain also is a hands-on philanthropist.

She sits on the board of Operation Smile, which arranges

for plastic surgeons to fix cleft palates and other birth

defects. She also has helped organize relief missions

to Micronesia.



During a scuba-diving vacation to the islands,

Mrs. McCain took a friend to a local hospital to have a cut

treated. She was shocked, and saddened, by what she

saw. 'They opened the door to the OR, where

the supplies were, and there were two cats and a whole

bunch of rats climbing out of the sterile supplies, ' she

recalled. 'They had no X-ray machine, no beds. To

me, it was devastating because it was a U.S. trust

territory.'



As soon as she returned home, she arranged for

medical equipment and teams of doctors to be sent to

treat the island children.



Michelle Obama may contribute to CARE, which

fights global poverty and works to empower poor women. Cindy

sits on its board.



While the Democrat women talk about helping

the poor and needy, Cindy McCain actually rolls up her

sleeves and does it. Who's the out-of-touch elitist?



'If we ever forget that we're one nation

under God, then we will be a nation gone under.'

Ronald Reagan
Now I know more about Mrs. McCain than I knew until now. I don't watch tv and suspect tv has had some coverage.

[yael]

:) OBAMA Y'all :)

[meagain]

:) OBAMA Y'all :)

Obama'a slipping. He put up a pretty good front in the beginning. He's a smooth talker, charming, and when you see him standing with his wife and children, it's nauseating how sweet it all appears. You can practically hear the "Beaver Cleaver" theme song!!! But they are slipping as time goes by. Little things are said here and there that shows where they REALLY stand, like Michelles comment about pride in her country, their 20yr support of the likes of Wright, Obama's adamant support of far left policies that he is all of a sudden flip flopping on now that he is running for president.

As time goes on, he is just looking more and more two faced. I know it's the same for ALL politicians, but he isn't even able to hide it very well. They are stupid mistakes he's making. And he's making them over and over and over. What was the latest fiasco? He got the number of states in the U.S. confused with the number of Islamic states, and mentioned something about America's 56 or 57 states? That's just crazy. I'm sure he knows how many states the U.S. has, but to make a mistake LIKE THAT, when America is so sensitive about the whole Islamic/terrorist thing is not something a candidate can afford to make.

What kind of horrendous mistakes is he going to make when he gets into office and inadvertently insults another leader or does something else stupid to lead us into a nuclear war? He just might manage the impossible in making our current president look like a genius. Can you imagine that? Having the next pres. be SO BAD, that we long for Bush to be back?!?!?

[John Atkinson]

:) OBAMA Y'all :)
NO'BAMA Y'all

[dlanto]

His NAME is Jesus!


dlanto:
"Cindy Hensley McCain: "

I think I would vote for her as first lady; however, I would not want a Republican president. Look what they have already done to us in the last seven years in the name of God and country.


Former PK:
"The bottom line was Republicians carry the land-holding, work ethic driven, get it the job done parts. While the Demos carry the metropolitian, inner-cities, what will the government do for me crowd."

Beloved, you are not doing yourself a favor by invoking that e-mail. Your "slip" is showing!


Brother villa

Bro. Villa, I am just wondering. What is it that the republicans have done that is so bad? Are you talking about trying to implement things and being slammed by the democrats who are just mad because Bush is wanting to do something good for the USA? When I hear of something good that Bush and the republicans want to do the hatred for Bush by the democrats also are are big in the news in the same story.

[Manila1485]

I don't particularly care for McCain, but I would vote for him before I would vote for anyone that runs for office under the banner of the baby killer party. My beliefs and morals outweigh anything else.

[Hnovilla]

His NAME is Jesus!


dlanto:
"Bro. Villa, I am just wondering. What is it that the republicans have done that is so bad? Are you talking about trying to implement things and being slammed by the democrats who are just mad because Bush is wanting to do something good for the USA? When I hear of something good that Bush and the republicans want to do the hatred for Bush by the democrats also are are big in the news in the same story."

Wait a moment. Maybe you got the parties mixed up? It was the Republicans which "slammed" the Democrats since 1996 (Contract with America). In the last two years, the threat of a veto has kept the Democrats at bay and they have done nothing of consequence.
Regarding Bush, he is an evil man who should not be given any regard by a Christian, except to "...pray for those in authority..."
Get your facts straight.


Manila1485:
"I don't particularly care for McCain, but I would vote for him before I would vote for anyone that runs for office under the banner of the baby killer party. My beliefs and morals outweigh anything else. "

So ALL Democrats are "baby killers", while the Republicans' hands are clean of blood? So a Republican president declares war on a third world country (compared to the US), and the bombs that fell on that country did not kill ANY babies...nor ANY innocent people? Do you REALLY believe that Mr. Bush did those things to protect the U.S.? Of course, none of his cronies have ever been elevated to prestigious, high salary jobs nor have they made any money from the blood of our young men fighting their corrupt war.
"Do not judge according to the flesh, but judge righteous judgment."


Brother villa

[Former PK]

His NAME is Jesus!


dlanto:
"Cindy Hensley McCain: "

I think I would vote for her as first lady; however, I would not want a Republican president. Look what they have already done to us in the last seven years in the name of God and country.


Former PK:
"The bottom line was Republicians carry the land-holding, work ethic driven, get it the job done parts. While the Demos carry the metropolitian, inner-cities, what will the government do for me crowd."

Beloved, you are not doing yourself a favor by invoking that e-mail. Your "slip" is showing!


Brother villa


Brother,

We are human and have a real tendency to slam the party that disagrees with our view.

While I will not defend the E-Mail I quoted, because I'm not going to look up all of the details to confirm them. And maybe it was just one of those funnies that get passed around. But, I think there is a grain of truth in it. I'm sorry it that slaps you up side the head.

I would really like to hear about this mess the nasty Republicians have caused. The horrid economy? We have ye to even technically be in a recession, we just don't have double digit growth.

Oil Prices? Sorry the President doesn't control them.

Iraq ? Yes mistakes were made and most likely are still being made. But, any President will make mistakes in a War. Everyone that has been in that position will. And I question Mr. Obama's ability to improve the situation or execute a more well orchestrated plan.

To date all I have heard from Mr. Obama is Change. Well, honestly, I too am ready for change. Only the choices are both far too soft and liberal than I would prefer.

[Former PK]

........
Having the next pres. be SO BAD, that we long for Bush to be back?!?!?

I'm hoping that Obama does a McGovern before November.

I really don't want to consider what a Liberal Democrate Congress and a Liberal Democrate President would do.

I'm certain it would not be in the best interest of the country. Unless, you want taxes to be sky high, defense Zero, and a Supreme Court have is the law of the land.

[JRK]

His NAME is Jesus!


dlanto:
"Bro. Villa, I am just wondering. What is it that the republicans have done that is so bad? Are you talking about trying to implement things and being slammed by the democrats who are just mad because Bush is wanting to do something good for the USA? When I hear of something good that Bush and the republicans want to do the hatred for Bush by the democrats also are are big in the news in the same story."

Wait a moment. Maybe you got the parties mixed up? It was the Republicans which "slammed" the Democrats since 1996 (Contract with America). In the last two years, the threat of a veto has kept the Democrats at bay and they have done nothing of consequence.
Regarding Bush, he is an evil man who should not be given any regard by a Christian, except to "...pray for those in authority..."
Get your facts straight.


Manila1485:
"I don't particularly care for McCain, but I would vote for him before I would vote for anyone that runs for office under the banner of the baby killer party. My beliefs and morals outweigh anything else. "

So ALL Democrats are "baby killers", while the Republicans' hands are clean of blood? So a Republican president declares war on a third world country (compared to the US), and the bombs that fell on that country did not kill ANY babies...nor ANY innocent people? Do you REALLY believe that Mr. Bush did those things to protect the U.S.? Of course, none of his cronies have ever been elevated to prestigious, high salary jobs nor have they made any money from the blood of our young men fighting their corrupt war.
"Do not judge according to the flesh, but judge righteous judgment."


Brother villa

Just because you dislike or disagree with someone doesn't mean that they are evil.
I also think the point being made about the Democrats was alot of the Democratic party do support abortion.
As far as this war goes, I think there has been mistakes (Don't we all make mistakes?:)) , but I also think that we won't know the whole story for a long time, if ever. Remember that the media is mostly liberal & tells only what they what the public to know.
As far as a recession, jmo that after the election in the fall things will start to turn around. Funny that things get really slow in the year before a major election:)

[JRK]

Brother,

We are human and have a real tendency to slam the party that disagrees with our view.

While I will not defend the E-Mail I quoted, because I'm not going to look up all of the details to confirm them. And maybe it was just one of those funnies that get passed around. But, I think there is a grain of truth in it. I'm sorry it that slaps you up side the head.

I would really like to hear about this mess the nasty Republicians have caused. The horrid economy? We have ye to even technically be in a recession, we just don't have double digit growth.

Oil Prices? Sorry the President doesn't control them.

Iraq ? Yes mistakes were made and most likely are still being made. But, any President will make mistakes in a War. Everyone that has been in that position will. And I question Mr. Obama's ability to improve the situation or execute a more well orchestrated plan.

To date all I have heard from Mr. Obama is Change. Well, honestly, I too am ready for change. Only the choices are both far too soft and liberal than I would prefer.
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[Manila1485]

His NAME is Jesus!


dlanto:
"Bro. Villa, I am just wondering. What is it that the republicans have done that is so bad? Are you talking about trying to implement things and being slammed by the democrats who are just mad because Bush is wanting to do something good for the USA? When I hear of something good that Bush and the republicans want to do the hatred for Bush by the democrats also are are big in the news in the same story."

Wait a moment. Maybe you got the parties mixed up? It was the Republicans which "slammed" the Democrats since 1996 (Contract with America). In the last two years, the threat of a veto has kept the Democrats at bay and they have done nothing of consequence.
Regarding Bush, he is an evil man who should not be given any regard by a Christian, except to "...pray for those in authority..."
Get your facts straight.


Manila1485:
"I don't particularly care for McCain, but I would vote for him before I would vote for anyone that runs for office under the banner of the baby killer party. My beliefs and morals outweigh anything else. "

So ALL Democrats are "baby killers", while the Republicans' hands are clean of blood? So a Republican president declares war on a third world country (compared to the US), and the bombs that fell on that country did not kill ANY babies...nor ANY innocent people? Do you REALLY believe that Mr. Bush did those things to protect the U.S.? Of course, none of his cronies have ever been elevated to prestigious, high salary jobs nor have they made any money from the blood of our young men fighting their corrupt war.
"Do not judge according to the flesh, but judge righteous judgment."


Brother villa

I never said that. Typical liberal spin. In the case of this election, I will pick the lesser of two evils. I was in Iraq in 2004 while I was in the military and for the record, I don't support the killing of any innocent life. War is, and has always been a necessary evil in the world and will continue to be so. Mass homicide of babies is a totally different thing and I have not, will not, nor will I ever vote for anyone who supports infant homicide.

[Hnovilla]

His NAME is Jesus!


Manila1485
"Typical liberal spin. In the case of this election, I will pick the lesser of two evils."

So, I'm a liberal? Can picking "the lesser of two evils" be found, perhaps, in Revelations According to Mannie 1:1? I do believe I might be missing some books, there!


Brother villa

[dlanto]

Actually, Bro. Villa I have done my research. Everytime Bush tried to do something good for this country the Democrats in the senate shot him down. Mostly Clinton, Kennedy, Kerry. They had enough power over others to persuade them.

I can tell you that yes there were problems with Iraq. They did not think far enough ahead to see after the victory. But Bush got rid of the major problem which was Rumsfeld. He lost one of the best in Powell. But they are making strides and starting to do things right.

If the Iraq war is what you are referring to that he is evil, I may be able to give you that one.

If it is Katrina and New Orleans then I am afraid you will have to blame that one on God. Bush can't control the weather.

If it is the economy then I am afraid that Bush can't control how much people buy and how far in debt people put themselves.

If it is the gas prices then once again Bush has no control over how much the middle east will charge. He has tried to get the senate and congress to pass off shore drilling but once again the dems just don't want to help America.

I am proud of Bush. I don't agree with everything but I believe he has a faith in God and trust God to help him. If that makes him evil then I guess I am too.

[yael]

...To date all I have heard from Mr. Obama is Change...

Good Morning and may I give you a hardy:

OBAMA Y'all :)

[Manila1485]

His NAME is Jesus!


Manila1485
"Typical liberal spin. In the case of this election, I will pick the lesser of two evils."

So, I'm a liberal? Can picking "the lesser of two evils" be found, perhaps, in Revelations According to Mannie 1:1? I do believe I might be missing some books, there!


Brother villa

No, Brother Villa. I do not know what you are, but what you said is something typical of what a liberal would say. :) Who is Mannie? My point is that I would never bestow my vote upon someone who favors murdering babies. If, by chance, a republican and a democrat are running against each other and they both are pro-abortion then I probably wouldn't vote at all...or maybe I would write your name in :)

[John Atkinson]

NO'BAMA Y'all
All I see this guy doing is:


Weakening the US even further on the world stage by kowtowing to:

Communicst China
Hugo Chavez
The Chimp-looking nutcase who runs Iran
and probably the french
and anyone else who complains about America


Weakening me and my family even further by

Increasing my taxes to feed people to lazy to get off their duffs and get a job like the rest of us
Increasing my taxes to fund idiot federal programs aimed at improving the lives of the people who are too lazy to get off their duffs and get a job and buy their own stuff like the rest of us
Increasing my taxes to pay for healthcare for the people who are too lazy to get off their duffs and get a job and pay for insurance like the rest of us.



I guarantee you, if Osama BinLaden could vote, he would vote for Barack Obama. if Ayman al-Zawahiri (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayman_al-Zawahiri) could vote, he would vote for Barack Obama.

[dlanto]

NO'BAMA Y'all
All I see this guy doing is:



Weakening the US even further on the world stage by kowtowing to:
Communicst China
Hugo Chavez
The Chimp-looking nutcase who runs Iran
and probably the french
and anyone else who complains about America

Weakening me and my family even further by
Increasing my taxes to feed people to lazy to get off their duffs and get a job like the rest of us
Increasing my taxes to fund idiot federal programs aimed at improving the lives of the people who are too lazy to get off their duffs and get a job and buy their own stuff like the rest of us
Increasing my taxes to pay for healthcare for the people who are too lazy to get off their duffs and get a job and pay for insurance like the rest of us.

I guarantee you, if Osama BinLaden could vote, he would vote for Barack Obama. if Ayman al-Zawahiri (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayman_al-Zawahiri) could vote, he would vote for Barack Obama.

Bro. Atkinson,

I have this strong feeling that you are opposed to people sitting on their duffs when they could be doing something to better their own lives. That is way too conservative and republican for me. :)

[John Atkinson]

Bro. Atkinson,

I have this strong feeling that you are opposed to people sitting on their duffs when they could be doing something to better their own lives. That is way too conservative and republican for me. :)
To me that includes everyone who isn't disabled from such activity by age or infirmity. Those are the only people who the state should rightly support.

To Everybody else ---- GET A JOB! I am not responsible for housing and feeding you and your 10 kids.

The only people I owe support to are named Lynn and Alia. I by way of charity will help the poor, but not those who are impoverished by choice. I choose to get up early and drive 30 miles to my job. I choose to do weird things on the internet (See my sig) to make up for the fact that my paycheck doesn't cover the fuel and food expenses anymore. I choose not to go looking for a handout.

If someone chooses to sleep and/or watch the soaps all day while waiting for a check, as far as I am concerned the impact of that choice is homelessness and starvation.

The Apostle Paul had that same thought himself: He that doesn't work doesn't eat.

[Manila1485]

Bro. Atkinson,

How do you expect Obama to get elected if you keep saying stuff like that? :)

[dlanto]

To me that includes everyone who isn't disabled from such activity by age or infirmity. Those are the only people who the state should rightly support.

To Everybody else ---- GET A JOB! I am not responsible for housing and feeding you and your 10 kids.

The only people I owe support to are named Lynn and Alia. I by way of charity will help the poor, but not those who are impoverished by choice. I choose to get up early and drive 30 miles to my job. I choose to do weird things on the internet (See my sig) to make up for the fact that my paycheck doesn't cover the fuel and food expenses anymore. I choose not to go looking for a handout.

If someone chooses to sleep and/or watch the soaps all day while waiting for a check, as far as I am concerned the impact of that choice is homelessness and starvation.

The Apostle Paul had that same thought himself: He that doesn't work doesn't eat.

Bro. A,

There is really only one thing I can say to your rhetoric




AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[dlanto]

Being at a Bible school I get a little agitated when I see these people who have families and lay around all day and do nothing but sleep, play on the internet and sit around doing nothing and when asked if they are going to get a job they say "oh I can't find one". Well, I know that there are jobs in this metropolitan area. If they have a family they need to be responsible to their family and if they have to go to McDonalds and get a job there until they can find something else. I have told students that and they have scoffed at me. I then said then " you really don't want a job". Then they complain when Bro. Grant gets on them for not paying their bills.

Talk about agitation. That does it for me. In fact I saw one of these guys last night and I almost ran over his kids in the parking lot because he is too lazy to even control his kids. He expects his 10 year old to take care of his younger 2. I found out last night that they are having another one. You talk about agitation. That does it for me. :angry2:

If a person wants a job they can get it. When we moved back here to St. Paul in 2000, I went out at 8:00 the morning after we unpacked and had things settled. I had a job by that afternoon. Was it a great job? No, but it was something to supply for my family. Within 9 months I had an even better job that I stayed at for 4 1/2 years. When I started having problems there, I came home from work one night and started throwing my resume out. By the next morning I had about 3 calls. By the end of that day I had a job. Please do offend me by thinking I am an idiot and saying you can't find anything. You will if you really want to.

[John Atkinson]

Talk about agitation. That does it for me. In fact I saw one of these guys last night and I almost ran over his kids in the parking lot because he is too lazy to even control his kids. He expects his 10 year old to take care of his younger 2. I found out last night that they are having another one. You talk about agitation. That does it for me. :angry2:
Just wait...in 4 years he will be a "Pastor" expecting "His" saints to provide a home, car and all kinds of stuff.

If a person wants a job they can get it. When we moved back here to St. Paul in 2000, I went out at 8:00 the morning after we unpacked and had things settled. I had a job by that afternoon. Was it a great job? No, but it was something to supply for my family. Within 9 months I had an even better job that I stayed at for 4 1/2 years. When I started having problems there, I came home from work one night and started throwing my resume out. By the next morning I had about 3 calls. By the end of that day I had a job. Please do offend me by thinking I am an idiot and saying you can't find anything. You will if you really want to.
You are right. Anyone who wants to work can. I have heard the bad childhood excuse, but you know what? I served in the Navy with ALOT of guys who had bad childhoods but wanted and got something better. A person can choose to make a living or make excuses.

[W. J. Maria]

Very good points, Bro John, even though your portrayal of Obama is very much exaggerated. But I wanna point out out a contradiction between your disgust for Communists and your disgust for lazy bums. Communism is the ultimate antidote to laziness: in the Soviet Union, there was no unemployment, everyone was given a job, everyone worked. If there was a need for one street sweeper, and there were two people without a job, you would see two people sweeping. Sure they were paid little and were given no job choices, but they worked.

I am not defending communism of course, but we need the sort of government that is in between a completely uncontrolled capitalism that allows the rich/powerful/smart to take maximum advantage of the poor/powerless/not so smart, and a completely controlled Soviet style economy, which exchanges human rights and freedoms for the right to some job. The truth is somewhere in between. And it is not at clear to me that Republicans or McCain can deliver better than the Democrats or Obama.

[Hnovilla]

His NAME is Jesus!


W. J. Maria:
"we need the sort of government that is in between a completely uncontrolled capitalism that allows the rich/powerful/smart to take maximum advantage of the poor/powerless/not so smart, and a completely controlled Soviet style economy, which exchanges human rights and freedoms for the right to some job. The truth is somewhere in between. And it is not at clear to me that Republicans or McCain can deliver better than the Democrats or Obama."

Uh-oh! Someone is starting to make sense!

Ah, capitalism! I saw a couple of disgruntled city [capitalist] employees once (well, this ONE time). They were working on a water meter. They were not being paid very well, and they knew it. At any rate, as they were turning off the meter with a long, 3 feet "T" handle, one would grab the "T" and turn it 180 degrees clockwise, and then the other worker would grab the "T" and also turn it 180 degrees clockwise. They knew they were worth more money, and were giving the city their money's worth.


Brother villa

[dlanto]

Bro. Villa,

I am just wondering when you are going to answer my question. What is it that the republicans have done that is so bad?

[dlanto]

I read an article in the paper this week that each candidate was asked what Americanism means to them. Obama gave a true politicians answer and especially one that is anti American. McCain actually gave one that made sense and was not politically based. It was actually from his heart. Check out the parade magazine if you want more info on this.

[Former PK]

Very good points, Bro John, even though your portrayal of Obama is very much exaggerated. But I wanna point out out a contradiction between your disgust for Communists and your disgust for lazy bums. Communism is the ultimate antidote to laziness: in the Soviet Union, there was no unemployment, everyone was given a job, everyone worked. If there was a need for one street sweeper, and there were two people without a job, you would see two people sweeping. Sure they were paid little and were given no job choices, but they worked.



The inherent flaw with a pure socialistic society it that it kills the motivation of the hard working / driven people it does not motivate the lazy bums.

[Hnovilla]

His NAME is Jesus!


"Bro. Villa,
I am just wondering when you are going to answer my question. What is it that the republicans have done that is so bad?"

Beloved, I know that you are probably looking at the issues from a Christian viewpoint and might believe the Republican Party is basically Christian oriented. I do not adhere to that view, because I believe that 20% of a whole does not constitute a majority.
What works of the Republican Party (as a whole) are so bad? The fact that they have prostituted themselves to the greedsters, who in turn are manipulating the economy to the detriment of ALL citizens.


Brother villa

[dlanto]

Actually, I am not looking at it in Christian perspective. In fact I am looking at it as a voter who is involved quite a bit with the republican party. I am just looking at it as someone who has been asked to run for some offices within the republican party. I am looking at it as someone who is a district chair. I am looking at it as a backup delegate. We should not look at politics from a Christian perspective but we should look at it to see what candidate does go along with our own values or gets at least as close as they can to our core values.

[Apostle0121]

Actually, I am not looking at it in Christian perspective. In fact I am looking at it as a voter who is involved quite a bit with the republican party. I am just looking at it as someone who has been asked to run for some offices within the republican party. I am looking at it as someone who is a district chair. I am looking at it as a backup delegate. We should not look at politics from a Christian perspective but we should look at it to see what candidate does go along with our own values or gets at least as close as they can to our core values.

"Values?"

I'm tired of being manipulated by my "values". They always scream, "But vote your values!"

Guess what, it does me no good to vote our values if we elect people who will increase the number of jobs moving overseas, people who allow the rich and powerful to manipulate the economy to squeeze every last dime from me and my family, people who want to wage war after war after war after war making our sons pay the ultimate price and our grandchildren and great granchildren fit the bill, people who care only about profit margins and not about families who will loose their homes and end up sleeping in their cars in some resident parking lot turned shelter like, people who sat back and did nothing while an entire wing of the banking and loan industry set millions of Americans up for financial ruin...for profits of course.

When nobody can find a job making a liveable wage, and you and your family are looking at being washed up sleeping under a bridge...what will your values profit you?

This is politics. It's not about values. People who say it is are stuck on stupid. This is about MONEY. It's about rather you'll have a job or not. It's about rather you'll be able to afford health insurance or not. It's about if you're going to keep your home and everything you've worked for or not. It's about rather you'll raise your kids in a world where there are opportunities for more than the previledged few. It's about reigning in ever expanding war and unwrest, greed and manipulation.

I highly resent the Republicans for using my VALUES to continue their agrenda of institutionalized extortion!

I'm voting to protect MY wallet. MY family's home. MY family's health insurance. MY job and my family's livelihood.

The problem is the Republicans have us locked into values based "group think" to manipulate us. If we all voted to protect our own families and our own interests...the extortioners wouldn't have a chance.

[Former PK]

Personally, I tire of hearing people whine " I want mine". The Government does not have to give. What they have has been taken from hard working folks who earned it and then the Government come as tells them to pay taxes.

Then the Government in the form of Congress turns around hands it out in ways that suit their purpose, which is to stay elected.

A hard read of the Constitution is that the Federal Government has only FOUR functions:

National Defense
Interstate Commerce
Make Treaties with Foreign Nations
Postal System


So, to the folks that want theirs.

GO OUT, BUST YOUR BUNS AND GET IT.


If that isn't plain enough, find a copy of the movie "Rudy". There is a great lesson there to be learned.

[John Atkinson]

A hard read of the Constitution is that the Federal Government has only FOUR functions:

National Defense
Interstate Commerce
Make Treaties with Foreign Nations
Postal SystemThat's it --- those four no more.but they keep adding on new ones on a daily basis. Centralized federal control. State legislatures not only under the thumb of federal funding but looking for some of that same power themselves. I know. I live in the "TaxU2DETH" state. **deleted....WAY TOO INFLAMATORY***

[Hnovilla]

His NAME is Jesus!


Apostle0121:
"I'm tired of being manipulated by my "values"."

Actually, they want is to vote according to THEIR corrupted values.
Good post!


Former PK:
"Personally, I tire of hearing people whine " I want mine"...So, to the folks that want theirs.GO OUT, BUST YOUR BUNS AND GET IT. "

I believe that what the electorate are beginning to shout is: "I WANT MINE BACK!


Brother villa

[Apostle0121]

I believe that what the electorate are beginning to shout is: "I WANT MINE BACK!

Brother villa

AMEN!!!!!!

I worked hard for everything I have. So have millions of other Americans. We work just as hard, if not harder, than these corporate scumbags who wouldn't know real WORK if it smacked them in the face.

They are gouging us with gas prices.

Manipulating markets to boost their investments.

Sending our jobs to other countries.

Ignoring preditory lending practices that wash out everything a family has worked for.

Care nothing that health insurance for our families is unaffordable.

Launching unnecessary wars of choice expecting our kids to die for the cause and our grandchildren to pay for it.

Our founders would have already gone to war over all of this.

We don't need an election....we need a....REVOLUTION.

[Hnovilla]

His NAME is Jesus!


Apostle0121:
"We don't need an election....we need a....REVOLUTION."


You are speaking my language, all the way to (MAYBE) the last sentence.
If I was a gun-toting Republican, I would say: "WHERE DO I ENLIST?" However, the truth is that I am just a wimp. I USED to call for revolution: but nobody listened when I was ready. Now that I am too feeble, the majority, it seems, to be leaning that way.
I do believe there is precedence from the American revolutionaries. They "dumped" tea in the Boston Harbor: I guess "we the people" can still stand for a little more dumping.


Brother villa

[dlanto]

"Values?"

I'm tired of being manipulated by my "values". They always scream, "But vote your values!"

Guess what, it does me no good to vote our values if we elect people who will increase the number of jobs moving overseas, people who allow the rich and powerful to manipulate the economy to squeeze every last dime from me and my family, people who want to wage war after war after war after war making our sons pay the ultimate price and our grandchildren and great granchildren fit the bill, people who care only about profit margins and not about families who will loose their homes and end up sleeping in their cars in some resident parking lot turned shelter like, people who sat back and did nothing while an entire wing of the banking and loan industry set millions of Americans up for financial ruin...for profits of course.

When nobody can find a job making a liveable wage, and you and your family are looking at being washed up sleeping under a bridge...what will your values profit you?

This is politics. It's not about values. People who say it is are stuck on stupid. This is about MONEY. It's about rather you'll have a job or not. It's about rather you'll be able to afford health insurance or not. It's about if you're going to keep your home and everything you've worked for or not. It's about rather you'll raise your kids in a world where there are opportunities for more than the previledged few. It's about reigning in ever expanding war and unwrest, greed and manipulation.

I highly resent the Republicans for using my VALUES to continue their agrenda of institutionalized extortion!

I'm voting to protect MY wallet. MY family's home. MY family's health insurance. MY job and my family's livelihood.

The problem is the Republicans have us locked into values based "group think" to manipulate us. If we all voted to protect our own families and our own interests...the extortioners wouldn't have a chance.


Ok, so that is your values. No matter what side you are on, you still have values. Your values are different then mine. You want money, I want money but I also want to be able to worship God freely.

Bro. Villa,

You still have not answered my earlier question.

[Manila1485]

"Values?"

I'm tired of being manipulated by my "values". They always scream, "But vote your values!"

Guess what, it does me no good to vote our values if we elect people who will increase the number of jobs moving overseas, people who allow the rich and powerful to manipulate the economy to squeeze every last dime from me and my family, people who want to wage war after war after war after war making our sons pay the ultimate price and our grandchildren and great granchildren fit the bill, people who care only about profit margins and not about families who will loose their homes and end up sleeping in their cars in some resident parking lot turned shelter like, people who sat back and did nothing while an entire wing of the banking and loan industry set millions of Americans up for financial ruin...for profits of course.

When nobody can find a job making a liveable wage, and you and your family are looking at being washed up sleeping under a bridge...what will your values profit you?

This is politics. It's not about values. People who say it is are stuck on stupid. This is about MONEY. It's about rather you'll have a job or not. It's about rather you'll be able to afford health insurance or not. It's about if you're going to keep your home and everything you've worked for or not. It's about rather you'll raise your kids in a world where there are opportunities for more than the previledged few. It's about reigning in ever expanding war and unwrest, greed and manipulation.

I highly resent the Republicans for using my VALUES to continue their agrenda of institutionalized extortion!

I'm voting to protect MY wallet. MY family's home. MY family's health insurance. MY job and my family's livelihood.

The problem is the Republicans have us locked into values based "group think" to manipulate us. If we all voted to protect our own families and our own interests...the extortioners wouldn't have a chance.

"Our sons" enlisted on their own. It's not like they were drafted. I signed up in 2002 knowing that I would probably be sent to the middle east and I was. I've served for what I felt was long enough and then got out. I'm thankful and blessed that I came back breathing and not in a box as many have, but everyone that is fighting in this war are there because they chose to join the military. They knew they weren't signing up for a trip to Disney World.

You said in another post that the government is "Ignoring preditory lending practices that wash out everything a family has worked for." Just yesterday the Federal Reserved accounced that they will be meeting next week to issue new rules on mortgage lending under HOEPA that will apply to all lenders and not just banks.

The majority of the foreclosure problem in this country is due to subprime loans. A lot of brokers/lenders were not honest in explaining the terms set forth in these loans. That said, it is the borrower's responsibility to make sure he/she is getting what he/she wants! If they do not understand what they are reading then it would be worth it to them to obtain the services of a financial advisor. I can't stress this enough. What in the world is wrong with some people? Afterall, we aren't talking about buying bicycle at Target. Buying a home and/or refinancing is a big deal and one should know what one is getting into. Once you find out, if you don't like the terms then don't get the loan! It's that simple. Go rent somewhere until you can get your credit rating to a level that will get you conventional financing. I save my clients the trouble of hiring a financial advisor by making sure that I'm very clear in my explaination of what they are getting. When it comes down to it, the power lies with the person holding the pen (i.e. the borrower). For some people it doesn't matter what the terms are. They see "nice house for $599/month" and they feel like they got to have it. It doesn't matter how much explaining I do to them or how much I try to get them to go with another mortgage product, they want the lowest payment regardless of what the rate will be in 2 years. You know what? If they qualify then I can't legally turn them down. If I make them the loan and they get foreclosed on after their rate changes then it's my fault. If I turn them down then I'm discriminating based on ___________(insert whatever) so I can't win either way.

To simplify things I'll just give my thoughts on subprime loans: People get subprime loans becasue they can't get conventional financing. Why? Beacuase their credit stinks! Bottom line.

[meagain]

Very good points, Bro John, even though your portrayal of Obama is very much exaggerated. But I wanna point out out a contradiction between your disgust for Communists and your disgust for lazy bums. Communism is the ultimate antidote to laziness: in the Soviet Union, there was no unemployment, everyone was given a job, everyone worked. If there was a need for one street sweeper, and there were two people without a job, you would see two people sweeping. Sure they were paid little and were given no job choices, but they worked.

I am not defending communism of course, but we need the sort of government that is in between a completely uncontrolled capitalism that allows the rich/powerful/smart to take maximum advantage of the poor/powerless/not so smart, and a completely controlled Soviet style economy, which exchanges human rights and freedoms for the right to some job. The truth is somewhere in between. And it is not at clear to me that Republicans or McCain can deliver better than the Democrats or Obama.

It sure SOUNDS like your defending communism.

I think what we need is the completel elimination of govt. welfare handouts to lazy bums, AND a requirement to be an actual productive member of society in order to be allowed to have children. I think we should have FORCED sterilizations, and people who aren't willing to work or be lawless drains on society should be allowed to starve to death.
One of our biggest problems in society is the fact that we have eliminated most of the ways stupid people can kill themselves off and stay out of the gene pool. Yeah, I know it sounds heartless, but our modern ideas of compassion and mercy have left our society in a total mess!!!!!

Now people born with bona fide mental retardation of course are different. That's a situation where EVERYONE'S (including parents) a victim, and some drains on society have to be expected and are inevitable.

And in case no one has figured it out yet, it is the SMART people who are giving all the stupid people jobs. It's the Bill Gates of the world that are helping the economy and giving the jobs to the "not so smart", or those at least willing to work anyway. When I was a kid bussing tables, I was thankful for the rich folks who came into the restarurant and ate the food. If it weren't for them, I wouldn't be employed. 99% of rich people, in this country, got that way because of hard work, and making smart choices, NOT from messing on the 'little" guy. MOST poor are that way because they made stupid decisions or didn't want to work very hard.
Personally speaking, I stayed dirt poor the past ten years or so because I was a freakin idiot. By rights, I should not have been allowed to have children. I am thankful I wised up and am training my kids properly on how to be decent members of society. Most simply do not do that. However, if back then I starved or my kids starved, it would have been no one's fault but my own. It's only when my choices changed, did my life change. Changing who I ran around with helped a great deal also.

I don't want to hear the line of how if I did it then others can do it therefore we shouldn't do such 'cruel" things, because we ARE doing it and America is going nowhere fast because of it.

And please dont' anybody liberal here give me the argument of how not EVERYONE is like that and proceed to give me your personal sob story. I think I covered that area with "MOST" and "99%".

Sorry, the discussion on the "good" side of communism just sort of set me off. Can anyone name a communist country where the standard of living is/was all that great?

[meagain]

By the way, can anyone tell me if Austria is a communist country? The reason I'm asking is because not too long ago, a missionary to Austria (or so he claimed) said that the standard of living there was pretty good. He commented on the fancy cars and stuff, but then turned right around and said Austria was a communist country. He also said he worked for the govt. all these years yet was only able to just recently afford to buy his wife a washing machine.

I won't mention his name only because right now I can't remember it, but the stories don't seem to add up. If it IS a communist country and the standard of living is so good, then I want to know and become more educated in this area.

[meagain]

He also said he was working under cover as a Christian with underground churches there and that no one could know about his faith or he would be executed. Yet I found his picture on the internet on some European apostolic sites.

[John Atkinson]

But I wanna point out out a contradiction between your disgust for Communists and your disgust for lazy bums. Communism is the ultimate antidote to laziness: in the Soviet Union, there was no unemployment, everyone was given a job, everyone worked.
Right. Everyone worked. They worked in a system not far removed from slavery, with no motivation beyond getting that bottle of vodka at the end of the day. Here at least, a "Lazy Bum" can wake up to his situation and change it if he can motivate himself.

[John Atkinson]

By the way, can anyone tell me if Austria is a communist country? The reason I'm asking is because not too long ago, a missionary to Austria (or so he claimed) said that the standard of living there was pretty good. He commented on the fancy cars and stuff, but then turned right around and said Austria was a communist country. He also said he worked for the govt. all these years yet was only able to just recently afford to buy his wife a washing machine.

I won't mention his name only because right now I can't remember it, but the stories don't seem to add up. If it IS a communist country and the standard of living is so good, then I want to know and become more educated in this area.

Austria is a federal republic with full freedom of religion. Never was communist or behind the Iron Curtain.

There are UPCI missionaries there.

[Manila1485]

It sure SOUNDS like your defending communism.

I think what we need is the completel elimination of govt. welfare handouts to lazy bums, AND a requirement to be an actual productive member of society in order to be allowed to have children. I think we should have FORCED sterilizations, and people who aren't willing to work or be lawless drains on society should be allowed to starve to death.
One of our biggest problems in society is the fact that we have eliminated most of the ways stupid people can kill themselves off and stay out of the gene pool. Yeah, I know it sounds heartless, but our modern ideas of compassion and mercy have left our society in a total mess!!!!!

Now people born with bona fide mental retardation of course are different. That's a situation where EVERYONE'S (including parents) a victim, and some drains on society have to be expected and are inevitable.

And in case no one has figured it out yet, it is the SMART people who are giving all the stupid people jobs. It's the Bill Gates of the world that are helping the economy and giving the jobs to the "not so smart", or those at least willing to work anyway. When I was a kid bussing tables, I was thankful for the rich folks who came into the restarurant and ate the food. If it weren't for them, I wouldn't be employed. 99% of rich people, in this country, got that way because of hard work, and making smart choices, NOT from messing on the 'little" guy. MOST poor are that way because they made stupid decisions or didn't want to work very hard.
Personally speaking, I stayed dirt poor the past ten years or so because I was a freakin idiot. By rights, I should not have been allowed to have children. I am thankful I wised up and am training my kids properly on how to be decent members of society. Most simply do not do that. However, if back then I starved or my kids starved, it would have been no one's fault but my own. It's only when my choices changed, did my life change. Changing who I ran around with helped a great deal also.

I don't want to hear the line of how if I did it then others can do it therefore we shouldn't do such 'cruel" things, because we ARE doing it and America is going nowhere fast because of it.

And please dont' anybody liberal here give me the argument of how not EVERYONE is like that and proceed to give me your personal sob story. I think I covered that area with "MOST" and "99%".

Sorry, the discussion on the "good" side of communism just sort of set me off. Can anyone name a communist country where the standard of living is/was all that great?

This is exactly right. It all boils down to personal responsibility. Nobody seems to want to take it any more. Everybody else is to blame.

It's funny to me how the people that scream about the greedy republicans and the greedy corporations are the same people that would rather have the dems tax those of us that work hard and give it to the lazy leeches in our society that refuse to work and do nothing except have more babies. Talk about a double standard? What's greedy is to sit on your duff and expect someone else to finance your standard of living. Why work when you can get paid for doing absolutely nothing? I suppose libs feel good about themselves when they can rob the rich and give it to the poor. Makes 'em feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

[JRK]

This is exactly right. It all boils down to personal responsibility. Nobody seems to want to take it any more. Everybody else is to blame.

It's funny to me how the people that scream about the greedy republicans and the greedy corporations are the same people that would rather have the dems tax those of us that work hard and give it to the lazy leeches in our society that refuse to work and do nothing except have more babies. Talk about a double standard? What's greedy is to sit on your duff and expect someone else to finance your standard of living. Why work when you can get paid for doing absolutely nothing? I suppose libs feel good about themselves when they can rob the rich and give it to the poor. Makes 'em feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

AMEN!

[John Atkinson]

All this is very simply solved. I have on many occasions been willing to step up to the plate and and relinquish my title of "Sir John the Great" and be anointed His Royal Majesty King John I of America, Duke of Norwich, Earl of New England, Lord Knight Protector of the Realm, Keeper of the Keys, etc etc.

I would be happy to grant lands and establish ducal houses for my friends.









Oh --> Acadia National Forest will be renamed "The King's Hunting Preserve". Poachers will be tossed off a cliff.

[meagain]

Austria is a federal republic with full freedom of religion. Never was communist or behind the Iron Curtain.

There are UPCI missionaries there.


I kinda figured it was more along those lines. )

[meagain]

Also, many of the things we as a society have deemed as "compassionate" are actually cruelty disguised. It seems more people's suffering is being prolonged because of what we call "compassion".
Please forgive the comparison, but it's sort of like when I accidentally ran over my neighbors cat. I THOUGHT that the compassionate thing to do would be to take it to the vet. Well, yes and no. It took the vet about 20 minutes to get to his office (after hrs), and the poor cat suffered terribly during that time. Not to mention the time it took for me to take it to the vet, and the horrible pain the animal suffered from being jostled around in the car. It took time to x-ray the poor thing, find out it had a broken pelvis and internal bleeding, AND we stood around trying to decide what to do with it and waiting on the owners to get home to inform them and find out what THEY wanted to do. I think they decided to have it killed anyway.
I meant well, but the truly compassionate thing to do for that cat would have been to very quickly put a bullet in that poor things head. Interesting enough, it was also back during the time I was on welfare, making bad life decisions.
The AIDS epidemic in Africa is also a good example. Those people are suffering horribly and by giving medicines and other aid, all we are doing is prolonging their suffering. About all it's accomplishing is giving them enough time to make more AIDS babies who starve or die of disease. We're just helping them to suffer longer. That's not what Jesus did for people. And it's not what he calls US to do.

It's also interesting to note that Jesus appears to me to be a capitalist. In the parable with the men with the talents, Jesus got mad at the man who buried his one talent, chewed him out, and took away his one talent and gave it to the man who had accumulated wealth. That's completely opposite of our thinking today where some think we ought to take from those who accumulated wealth and give it to those who refuse to work with what they are given.

[Manila1485]

Also, many of the things we as a society have deemed as "compassionate" are actually cruelty disguised. It seems more people's suffering is being prolonged because of what we call "compassion".
Please forgive the comparison, but it's sort of like when I accidentally ran over my neighbors cat. I THOUGHT that the compassionate thing to do would be to take it to the vet. Well, yes and no. It took the vet about 20 minutes to get to his office (after hrs), and the poor cat suffered terribly during that time. Not to mention the time it took for me to take it to the vet, and the horrible pain the animal suffered from being jostled around in the car. It took time to x-ray the poor thing, find out it had a broken pelvis and internal bleeding, AND we stood around trying to decide what to do with it and waiting on the owners to get home to inform them and find out what THEY wanted to do. I think they decided to have it killed anyway.
I meant well, but the truly compassionate thing to do for that cat would have been to very quickly put a bullet in that poor things head. Interesting enough, it was also back during the time I was on welfare, making bad life decisions.
The AIDS epidemic in Africa is also a good example. Those people are suffering horribly and by giving medicines and other aid, all we are doing is prolonging their suffering. About all it's accomplishing is giving them enough time to make more AIDS babies who starve or die of disease. We're just helping them to suffer longer. That's not what Jesus did for people. And it's not what he calls US to do.

It's also interesting to note that Jesus appears to me to be a capitalist. In the parable with the men with the talents, Jesus got mad at the man who buried his one talent, chewed him out, and took away his one talent and gave it to the man who had accumulated wealth. That's completely opposite of our thinking today where some think we ought to take from those who accumulated wealth and give it to those who refuse to work with what they are given.


...and cast the unprofitable servant into outer darkness. In 2008 they just cast them into the welfare office for more handouts.

That is very good Meagain, I don't think I've ever thought of that parable in that way.

It's hard to believe that there are some Christians who take on the thinking of the libs, which is "If all of us can't be wealthy then we should take the wealthy man's money and spread it out among everyone so we can all be poor". I'm all for equality, but personally I would rather see the lazy people get off it and make themselves wealthy as opposed to equality in poverty.

[W. J. Maria]

It sure SOUNDS like your defending communism. It sounds like it, but I do not!



I think what we need is the completel elimination of govt. welfare handouts to lazy bums, AND a requirement to be an actual productive member of society in order to be allowed to have children. I think we should have FORCED sterilizations, and people who aren't willing to work or be lawless drains on society should be allowed to starve to death.
One of our biggest problems in society is the fact that we have eliminated most of the ways stupid people can kill themselves off and stay out of the gene pool. Yeah, I know it sounds heartless, but our modern ideas of compassion and mercy have left our society in a total mess!!!!!

I am sorry Meagain, all this just does not sound very Christian. Forced sterilizations? Allow people to starve to death? The things that Stalin and Hitler did not mind doing, and actually did.

There is actually still one way that stupid people can still kill themselves in this country, and often do. That right to bear arms thing. That is efficient.


And in case no one has figured it out yet, it is the SMART people who are giving all the stupid people jobs. It's the Bill Gates of the world that are helping the economy and giving the jobs to the "not so smart", or those at least willing to work anyway. When I was a kid bussing tables, I was thankful for the rich folks who came into the restarurant and ate the food. If it weren't for them, I wouldn't be employed. 99% of rich people, in this country, got that way because of hard work, and making smart choices, NOT from messing on the 'little" guy. MOST poor are that way because they made stupid decisions or didn't want to work very hard.
Personally speaking, I stayed dirt poor the past ten years or so because I was a freakin idiot. By rights, I should not have been allowed to have children. I am thankful I wised up and am training my kids properly on how to be decent members of society. Most simply do not do that. However, if back then I starved or my kids starved, it would have been no one's fault but my own. It's only when my choices changed, did my life change.

Thank you for telling us your success story, but the world is a bit more complicated than that. There are smart people out there who will take advantage of their smarts to exploit people that are not so smart. And there are plenty of stupid rich people who are rich because of luck and because of a family fortune. In a civilized country, it is the duty of government to protect the weaker sections of the population from the greed/abuses of the smart and/or rich. In noncivilized countries, all the power and might is concentrated with a few rich and smart, and everyone else can work as hard as they can, they might still be starving and homeless. If you prefer to live in a noncivilized country, there are plenty of those on this planet.


Sorry, the discussion on the "good" side of communism just sort of set me off. Can anyone name a communist country where the standard of living is/was all that great?

The standard of living in Communist countries is never great, but in some cases, such as Cuba, China, and even the Soviet Union, it was better than what people had before. Mind you, not good, but just a bit better. That is why Commie countries survived for so long, because the old timers remembered pre-Commie times of slavery and starvation, and to them a little less starvation and slavery was an improvement. And again, I am not defending communism, but you gotta admit that these regimes were partially succesful just because they were an improvement.

And of course there are plenty of "capitalist" countries supported by the US where the standard of living is lower than in communist countries.

[Hnovilla]

His NAME is Jesus!


meagain:
"It's also interesting to note that Jesus appears to me to be a capitalist. In the parable with the men with the talents, Jesus got mad at the man who buried his one talent"


Maybe you can recall that Jesus was speaking a parable to the people: it is a TRUTH manifest in a NATURAL setting meant to be understood even by the unlearned: "For [the kingdom of heaven is] as a man travelling into a far country, [who] called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods." Jesus was alluding to one of the first commandments with a blessing: "Be FRUITFUL and MULTIPLY." Surely the Lord condemned slothfulness, which is NOT the equivalent to poverty. Just as there were eunuchs made by men, there were also those who were eunuchs willingly. By the same token, there are those who are impoverished through their own slothfulness, just as there are those who are impoverished through the evil manipulation of men.
If Jesus had insdeed been a capitalist, then his kingdom would have been of this world.
Beloved, a Bible teacher you are not.


Brother villa

[yael]

Good Morning :)

Have you guys had your Obama today?

Mmmm -Mmmp! ...So refreshing. Well I've had mine and I have such an abundance for later on today that I feel compelled to share a little with you :)
So here, have some: :artist:.....

OBAMA Y'all !!

[Manila1485]

No thanks. I'm trying to quit. *stomach turns*