Experiences in Deliverance [Archive]

ddc101

09-06-2003, 11:14 PM

I recently purchased a book from Bro.Blumes site on Deliverance.
Would some of you share some of your experiences in deliverance.We have had extensive dealings with this.Many ministers view this as not possible. I can remember my pastor telling me that a Holy Ghost filled person could not have spirits.
So I guess that was shot down the first time someone whom I knew had the Holy Ghost and lived an exemplary life need deliverance.Any one want to share some experiences.I would expecially like to hear the victories not just demon stories we get quite enough of that in superstitious Louisiana.lv sis.c

jdcord

09-09-2003, 10:44 AM

I have both ministered in deliverance and been ministered TO in deliverance.

I have only seen one thing be able to stop deliverance from occuring (because the demons have no power that can stop God): when the person does not forgive - when they hold on to bitternes and resentment against someone or someones, that is the one and only thing I have ever seen get in the way of God delivering someone.

God is all-powerful.

ddc101

09-09-2003, 04:46 PM

That was one of the things discussed in the book Bro.Cord.When certain spirits would not come out it was always rooted in unrepented of sin.Or the person doing something in ignorance.One man for instance had an occult type spirit and when the minister ask it to come out it replied I have a right to be here.Why he ask? Because he reads the horoscope in the paper.
Well he doesn't believe it replied the minister.But still I have grounds to be here.Now I don't read the horoscope but it really made me think about how easy it is to open a door.lv sis.c

jdcord

09-09-2003, 04:54 PM

The devil is a legalist, in the sense that he knows every word of the Bible, and he know his rights and boundaries therein. If we do something that opens a door, he has a legal right to use that door - and he knows it.

ddc101

09-09-2003, 06:12 PM

amen I agree with that.The thing is that alot of christians don't realize how easy these things can slip in and pretty soon they do not feel like praying or fasting etc.They are all bound by that spirit.lv sis.c

Cherokee

09-10-2003, 12:02 AM

The Word says that spirits that are cast out go out and find seven more and come back to the house that has been swept and garnished and enter back in.
The only way they can enter is we are not allowing the Holy Ghost to fill the clean empty space with things of God but again begin to entertain thoughts related to the cast out spirit.
We must remember a double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
That is why we must be sure all things that do not glorify God are plucked up by the roots and cast out of our hearts.
Each time the foul spirit is flirted with it becomes stronger until it overpowers us.
ie: The old Indian tries to describe the battle within his spirit to do good or evil. He said part of him was as a clean, beautiful, white, tame wolf that was peace in his heart and the other part of him was like a menacing,mangy snarling wolf that grieved his spirit and they were always warring for dominance in his soul.
One of the braves asked him,"Which one will win?
He answered,"The one that I feed the most."

This reminds me of Pauls references:
Romans 7:19 For the good that I would I do not : but the evil which I would not, that I do.
v20. Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
v.21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good , evil is present with me.
v.22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
v23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
v 24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
v 25 Thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Love Ya' in Jesus!!! Cherokee

jdcord

09-10-2003, 12:34 PM

"The one that I feed the most."
Yep.

That's how it works.

ddc101

09-11-2003, 11:16 PM

amen this is referred to as opening doors.I am reminded of what the Lord told Peter about sin being right at the door.lv sis.c

Unseen_Power

09-18-2003, 10:12 PM

Great thread Sis.
I have that very same book, and it's really opened my eyes. I was bound for a long time, until i learned of deliverance.
I received self-deliverance from a spirit of fear.

soldout4Jesus

09-18-2003, 10:15 PM

Peter? Perhaps it was Cain.

Gen 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee [shall be] his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

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I've read a few materials about deliverance. One was written by Bro. Blume himself. Check out TOTAL DELIVERANCE from his site.

Another was a book written by a Trinitarian couple. It's entitled PIGS IN THE PARLOR. I find it to be enlightening. The authors surname is Hammond, I believe.

After reading, I related the book to one of my friends and we found out that some of the things described in the book are true based on her expereince. She told me that she received the Holy Ghost after forgiving somebody and she told me that she spewed out phlegm-like substance, just like what was described in the book.

ddc101

09-20-2003, 10:09 PM

I did not find much use out of pigs in the parlor as the folks writing the book need deliverance from fear themselves.
But the book on Bro.Blumes site written by his uncle is temendous.No fear just things that we put into practice all the time.My husband got alot out of that book.In fact he is just finishing reading it.lv sis.c

soldout4Jesus

09-21-2003, 11:01 PM

I have two cousins with this problem. Erwin - my father's nephew and Ireen - my mother's niece are both schizophrenics.

Do you know of any person who has been delivered from this problem? Does the deliverance happen gradually, as described in Hammond's book? And do you agree with their discussion on schizophrenia in one of the chapters of the book - the one with two hands as an illustration of how a person is bound by this problem.

jdcord

09-23-2003, 11:51 AM

I thought Pigs In The Parlor was just "OK", at best. It did a good job of categorizing spirits, but it alos was written in such a way that every single person who reads it will think they need deliverance ...... even if they don't!

I was much more impressed with the book, The Transformation of the Inner Man (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0932081134/ref=pd_sim_books_1/103-9628933-6187864?v=glance&s=books), by John and Paula Sanford (both Trinitarians). That book actually inspired me to pray and seek God (in a positive way) for healing. While Pigs in the Parlor, on the other hand, seemed to inspire nothing but fear that one may be possessed by thousands of demons you never even knew existed!

So for my money, The Transformation of the Inner Man is the "bomb" when it comes to books about inner healing.

soldout4Jesus

09-23-2003, 09:37 PM

thanks for the info.

I'll try to find that book.

jdcord

09-24-2003, 09:17 AM

The book title in my post is also a link to Amazon.com's page for the book.

But I'm sure it's available elsewhere as well. Any Christian book store can order it, if they don't have a copy on hand.

ddc101

09-24-2003, 07:05 PM

Do you know of any person who has been delivered from this problem?
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yes, a lady from our church heard voices for years.One day at ladies prayer she repented and we prayed her through to deliverance....ladies mind you.She never heard the voices again and actually went on to get married and have a baby.God can do anything.
Why buy a book by trinitarian authors when you can go to Bro.Blumes site and get his uncles book for a good price and learn so much more?lv sis.c

jdcord

09-25-2003, 09:24 AM

Originally posted by ddc101
Why buy a book by trinitarian authors when you can go to Bro.Blumes site and get his uncles book for a good price and learn so much more?
Or better yet, buy BOTH and learn from both!

nytxn1971

09-25-2003, 09:46 AM

When it comes to trinitarian authors, many have a lot of great insight in certain areas. Throwing out ALL of their thoughts just because SOME are wrong does not make a whole lot of sense. If I didn't listen to anything someone said just because I disagreed with some of their thoughts, I'd never be able to listen to anyone at all...

Eat the meat, spit out the bones and grow...

ddc101

09-25-2003, 05:00 PM

Some may spit out the bones others may go on to deception.I would rather read a book by a Holy Ghost filled man of God who prays and knows there is one God especially in the area of deliverance than ten thousand books by the three god people.If the devils know there is one God and tremble believe me they know when you don't know.lv sis.c

soldout4Jesus

02-08-2004, 06:40 PM

I am revisiting this thread because the Lord is leading us to this direction lately - the exercise of spiriual authority over the forces of evil.

I need some really enlightening facts about deliverance. I haven't read Bro. Bustard's book. But I guess it's a really good one - based on sis. cooper's words. (I am also studying the first chapter of the book. It's available in Bro. Blume's site.)

Some may spit out the bones others may go on to deception.I would rather read a book by a Holy Ghost filled man of God who prays and knows there is one God especially in the area of deliverance than ten thousand books by the three god people.If the devils know there is one God and tremble believe me they know when you don't know.lv sis.c

I wish there was a Oneness bookstore nearby so i could purchase the book. I really feel it would be of great help. We had a lady come over early this morning (about 4 am) who needed deliverance. (she's been baptized in Jesus Name but she hasn't received the Holy Ghost. She's also not an active churchgoer. She comes over whenever she's "under attack") We (the workers undergoing the eight-week training) prayed for her and "tried" to exercise the authority given by the Lord Jesus Christ to His church....but the situation hasn't changed.

I'm now starting to wonder what could be hindering the deliverance. Maybe some of you could help.

Where do we begin with this ministry of deliverance. I'm really praying that the Lord will teach us how.

Just how does one administer deliverance?
What must a person bound by evil spirits do in order to be delivered?
Must he become a Christiaan first before the deliverance could take place?
Are there cases when deliverance is "gradual" (know what I mean?)
etc. :confused:

Let me add, one of the delegates in this training is bound by a perverse spirit or some sort. He confesses that he's homosexual and he's got a lot of strange beliefs. I want to help him. (I believe I can and i should; I just don't know exactly how.) I believe God has a purpose for allowing this man to be part of this training. (He's not a gospel worker. Just an observer. ) I pray he would be delivered before the end of this training. I pray....

ddc101

02-08-2004, 11:08 PM

Brother Beloy that spirit will speak to you so remember I said this when it does.Go back to Pastor Blumes website and see where to order the book.I bought it through the mail and Bro.Blume helped to get it to me.lv sis.c

soldout4Jesus

02-08-2004, 11:32 PM

thanks, sis. c.

soldout4Jesus

02-09-2004, 09:45 AM

Thanks for sharing your thoughts, breadman.

You said, devils are cast out, NOT FLESH!
I agree with you.

You said, we must crucify the flesh. I am perfectly aware of that. (See my signature?)

About Col 2:15, I LOVE THAT VERSE. When I preached my sermonette for this training last week, my subject was that of deliverance and the exercise of spiritual authority and I included that verse as a supporting scripture. Thanks for reminding me.

soldout4Jesus

02-09-2004, 09:46 AM

Now, about the homosexual stuff. I get your point. Thanks for commenting.

To answer your other question, the pastor was not around when the lady came to church.(He was out of town for a very important board meeting). I was the one assigned to lead the early morning prayer which would start at around 4:30 a.m.. Before praying, we would normally read a portion from the Book of Psalms and discuss a little.

As I was reading Psalm 44, this lady came and so I had to entertain her. There was no other elder around. I was expecting the assistant pastor to show around but for some reasons he didn't. So I was met with the task of administering deliverance of which I know very little about. Here's what I did…

soldout4Jesus

02-09-2004, 09:47 AM

I talked with the lady for a few minutes about what's troubling her mind. She's tormented by fear and unclean thoughts, I perceived. She must have had a traumatic experience which gave entrance to those evil spirits that were troubling her, I supposed.

I invited her to join the early morning prayer. But being reminded of what i preached about the exercise of spiritual authority, I thought the Lord brought her to church so we could help her by applying what was preached the other week.

I tried to act confident when the meeting started and I stood boldly before this group of trainees although deep in my heart I was not very sure of what was going to happen next . We invited the lady to come forward because one of the trainess wanted to ask questions. After that we all stood up to sing a song of praise and worship (Jesus We Enthrone You). Then I instructed the group to confess first their sins and plead the blood of Jesus before we "bind" the evil spirits to remove the barriers in the deliverance "process."

soldout4Jesus

02-09-2004, 09:48 AM

(I said "bind" and not rebuked or cast out because I thought that we must first bind the evil spirit that's troubling the person so we could talk with the lady and understand her background and from then on administer deliverance. I don't know if I'm getting it right. I don't remember clearly where i got those ideas. You might say that I'm not correct. I can accept that. That's precisely the reason I posted on this thread because I wanted to learn. I have not yet witnessed a person being delivered. I only heard stories. So that's what we did. I don't know if the other trainees also understood what we're supposed to do.)

My idea was after binding the spirit/s, her mind would be released from the influence of the devil so we could lead her to believe completely in the Lord Jesus Christ. (This lady,although baptized in Jesus Name, does not really understand the Christian faith. She still doubts the existence of God).

I had to continue with counseling the lady while others were praying. A sister joined us in our talk. I'm still not sure if I did the right thing. I realized now that I should tell this to the pastor immediately after he returns from their meeting.

soldout4Jesus

02-09-2004, 09:49 AM

Now back to the homosexual. This guy is the son of a well-to-do couple in church in another city. They knew about his problem with homosexuality but I guess they didn't know how to deal with him. (they even sent him to a mental institution which only worsened his case). This guy has been baptized in Jesus Name and "has received the Holy Ghost." I'm trying not to be skeptical about that aspect but from his behavior and his doctrinal statement, I can't help but doubt whether he really has the Spirit of God within him. Please pray for us.

So he's attending this training as an observer. This training is a sort of Bible School because we don't have one in our organization. So he's welcome to attend the classroom sessions and even ask questions.

Let me add that a while ago (around 9 pm) some of the delegates and I were praying ( we were actually praising God) when i heard this guy speaking in tongues. I must honestly say that I didn't like the way the tongues sounded. I hope i am not committing a sin in saying this. Please pray for me/us.

LilOrphanAnnie

02-09-2004, 03:19 PM

"I must honestly say that I didn't like the way the tongues sounded. I hope i am not committing a sin in saying this."

I don't think it is a sin- I have heard people speak in false tongues and it was demonic spirits speaking. It is a good thing if God can let you pick up on the fact that it is wrong. Myself, if I hear that, I think, O.k., let's watch this person- and I look for other signs in the person's life to back up that it might be demonic. Maybe I'm just having a bad day, and I don't like their outfit or something, and that colors my perceptions. Although I think one's gut instinct is seldom wrong, it is good to have "two or three witnesses". It sounds like you have other evidences in that person to show that it would be false, so I wouldn't think it would be wrong to say that.

ddc101

02-10-2004, 01:19 AM

Brother Breadman I detect an element of fear in your post.Deliverance does not lift everyone up in pride.In fact deliverance ought to be a normal part of the church happenings.Brother Belosa is no novice.He is a man of God who in fact is sacrificing as a missionary helping a pastor build a new work.Deliverance in fact means salvation.We see lots of deliverance where I work in the gospel because people here are involved alot in Roman Catholicism.Men ought not to be alone with women not their wives anyway but I guess Mark Belosa did not get to tell you that they have well attended prayer meetings in the Phillipines no matter the hour.He in fact leads teams of people in all night meetings etc.I have much confidence in him and in Jesus to keep his hand upon him.I have cast many things out of folks but never has one JUMPED on me to cause me to molest anyone.That is preposterous.lv sis.c

ddc101

02-10-2004, 01:18 PM

Brother Breadman,
Then lets discuss some humdingers.
There is a spirit that is upon many who have been coming for prayer from a certain area.It causes the people to be crippled,arthritic etc.I am talking about a whole community that has for the most part cripples.In one session of prayer our team was working with a man from there.One of those who were with us was backslid and doing secret sin.When they laid hands their wrist completely blew out exactly as the person we were praying for was crippled.
One of the missionaries who came recently told me of a lady who walked hunched over and when she got deliverance stood straight up.He said that spirit kept her hunched over.

There is a lady who came to us and looked so old.She got deliverance and since we found out she is in her early forties.She acutally looked as old as sixties no kidding.Now she has such joy and that old spirit is off of her.Thank God.Even the children remarked how sister ...so and so looks so young now.
What a difference the Holy Ghost makes.lv sis.c

ddc101

02-10-2004, 02:07 PM

ahem...breadman...I am a sister...but thank you for the encouraging remarks.lv sis.c

ddc101

02-12-2004, 12:15 AM

Hey brother its okay.I can take it.lv sis.c

soldout4Jesus

02-12-2004, 10:26 AM

Hello everyone!

I only read this thread tonight. It's already late in the evening so I cannot write everything that I want to post. For now, all I can say is thanks for the responses. I am learning from all of you.

I'll try posting tomorrow.

God bless!

BlessedinHim

02-17-2004, 12:09 AM

Can someone define deliverance? Are we talking about casting out demons?

The reason I ask is cause I have this ability to recognize evil spirits that possess people. I will safely guess that I've recognized around 100 in the last 5 years. The problem is I didn't know what to do, and I didn't have any credibility with my pastor, so he would of blown me off had I told him.

Anyhow, I hear alot of book pluggin. But I'm poor, so, alas, I have to rely on some of you knowledgable people to steer me in the right direction.

QUESTION:
What must be done when one discerns a possessed person?
and go to your pastor is not the answer.

God is good all the time...All the time God is good...

LilOrphanAnnie

02-17-2004, 12:24 AM

That's a good question. I've been there, in a way.

The answer (I think) is just pray. Ask God to reveal the spirit to your pastor. Ask God to remove that spirit from the person, from the church. It's out of your hands, really, but God can do it!

nightwatchman

02-17-2004, 09:32 PM

BlessedinHim

02-18-2004, 02:17 AM

Nightwatchman,
I go to Christianway Tabernacle. Bro. Sam is the preacher. I'm not originaly from Texas so I don't know much about Troup except it is somewhat close. (It's Brother, by the way)

Ahh, answer a question with a question. To answer: I have the Holy Ghost (15 yrs), TO GOD BE THE GLORY, I pray for many, many things and often, and I fast monthly.

I'm really not ignorant to casting out demons, I was just trying to start some discussions to get some others views and experiences.

I know that when I pray for anybody that seems to have a spirit on them, I always seem to be able to give it a name. Not all of these are always possessions. For example, spirit (demon) of nicotene or alcohol or drugs or lust. These seem to be easy to deal with. I picture them as tiny dogs (dautson's). Usually I can easily bind these. My prayers are usually all similar. Lord, in Jesus name, Bind this demon. I ask you to loose an army of angels right now to hold this spirit and to cast him out. The next step is that I start asking the Lord to reach His hand into the person's heart and start His work.

Personlly, I find that if I continue to pray quietly in the background against what ever Demons I sense then another can usually pray with the person. AND I've seen many deliverances brought about in this same manner by myself and another.

Now, to further this, Jesus made a comment that some require fasting. I have not had much experience with this, but have know a handful that would fit into this category. The last one was an acquaintence in Arkansas. She was clinicaly diagnosed with bi-polar and was very suicidal during certain times and she would cut herself when she became depressed or faced alot of conflict. I got her into church 4 times and she would get sick everytime and run out. (during song service). Anyhow, she moved and I moved and I didn't have much opportunity because she was just someone who was on the street living with crak dealers and such.

So, other views and experiences and inputs.

In His Service

02-18-2004, 09:47 AM

I do not believe that one is bound by the spirit or demon of nicotine, etc.... The devil can help feed ones addiction by warring on the mind. He can try his best to push the buttons of a person to make them desire more of what hurts them.

There is not a demon behind every wrong thing a person says or does. We are human and make choices on our own. A war of good and evil inside and around us always wages strong.

God can and does deliver a person from a physical addiction. He delivers from demonic oppression. He heals the mind and heart and spirit of man.

I think we have to be careful to not look for a demon behind every human condition or action.

Be blessed
Bro. Timothy

Litekeep

02-19-2004, 01:05 PM

Bro. Timothy,

I have to respectfully disagree with some of your post; though I would agree that everything does not come from the devil or demons. I do think that we need to discern the source of a condition in order to properly minister. It gives the enemy great pleasure, I'm sure, that a large majority of our North American church culture dismisses the work of demon spirits out of hand. (I'm not saying that you are doing this.)

The truth is we need to discern what we are dealing with and look to see if it is demonic.

I Jn 4:1
1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
(KJV)

Peoples propensity for weirdness has made some question and even deride true scriptural deliverance. Why would the Lord give "discerning of spirits" to someone if their was nothing to discern or no need to discern?

The Lord has given us power over all the power of the enemy. It is imperative that we are not "ignorant of his devices". My concern is that one of those devices in our culture is to downplay the existence up demonic entities. To question the existence of the supernatural world to the point that his minions, imps, demons, whatever you want to call them, go unchallenged and undealt with.

Eph 6:11-12
11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
(KJV)

1 Pet 5:8
8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
(KJV)

Blessings!

Scott

ddc101

02-19-2004, 01:26 PM

I do not believe that one is bound by the spirit or demon of nicotine, etc....
Not believing is no evidence its not real.lv sis.c

SisEdith

03-05-2004, 04:16 PM

ddc101

03-05-2004, 11:17 PM

oh no I think the Holy Ghost filled person possesses the demon not the demon them.Quite a bit of difference.Some sins are pets and need to be put outside.lv sis.c

Prayerful Mom

03-05-2004, 11:37 PM

What is Brother Blumes Site address?

soldout4Jesus

03-06-2004, 01:40 AM

What is Brother Blumes Site address?

click here (http://www.mikeblume.com)

SisEdith

03-06-2004, 01:15 PM

oh no I think the Holy Ghost filled person possesses the demon not the demon them.Quite a bit of difference.Some sins are pets and need to be put outside.lv sis.c
I was saying that I do NOT believe a Holy Ghost person can be possessed by a demon. But, I do believe a Holy Ghost filled person can be oppressed by unclean spirits therefore needing deliverence. Such as depression, bitterness, and anger and dicouragement, & things like that.

I was delivered from many spirits when I got the Holy Ghost. They all took a hike!!!

Nicotine is a spirit just like alcohol...they work together. You rarly have one without the other. I was delivered from nicotine before I got the Holy Ghost. I went to bed one night after praying to be delivered of this thing. I woke up without that desire and have never picked up another cigarette. Praise be to God. He alone can completely deliver. By his grace alone I will stay delivered.