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Neece
03-25-2003, 08:33 PM
Today the Lord has set You Free!

Please go here to be set free:
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…. As He has set me free! Thank you Jesus! Praise the Lord!

John 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

… “The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised” (Luke 4:18).

Romans 8: 15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

2Timothy 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

Galatians 5:1. Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

Galatians 4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:

!!Attention!!

This post may be offensive for some! It is on ‘Pentecostal Standards’. If this topic offends you, or does not interest you, then please disregard this post and please go to other posts being posted on the board, thank you. If anything in my post offends any, please forgive me. This is not my intention, but only to help others as these sites have helped me in finally setting me free from the bondage of Pentecostal standards. Praise the Lord!

The love of the Lord to you. Yes I am Apostolic Pentecostal baptized in Jesus Name and I am SAVED! Praise God!

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Sis Denise.

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…… People haven't committed suicide, gotten extremely depressed, felt embittered, abused and manipulated through McDonalds' requirements as far as I know. The UPC however, is quite a different story. A story I heard preached in UPC Bible school was of a 'holiness' preacher who preached it too hard against abortion and fornication and looking like a harlot, that one young desperate lady walked in off the street and then left that meeting and ended her life. It so affected the preacher he later lost his walk with God as well:

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……….I was a hard-core-UPC-Standards-Preaching-Fanatic. I would condemn a woman to hell before she could get the word ‘pants’ out of her mouth. But the Lord is long-suffering, kind, patient, loving and full of grace. Pray and go to the scriptures to find out what to believe, instead of going to the scriptures to prove what you have already decided to believe. You’ll be amazed at what you find, just as I was.

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3.) This is too good by Stephen Mann. I cried….

…...How he compares McDonalds to Pentecostal Standards.

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4.) Jewellery: Forbidden?

by Jason

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1 Peter 3:3, 5 – “Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel...For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands:”

Above, Peter instructs women to adorn themselves as the holy women of the ‘old time’ did, right? How about Rebekah? She was unquestionably a holy woman of the old time. Was she not one of the most prominent female figures of the Old Testament? Of course. So then, let’s look at some passages about Rebekah:

Genesis 24:47, 53 – “And I asked her, and said, Whose daughter art thou? And she said, The daughter of Bethuel, Nahor's son, whom Milcah bare unto him: and I put the earring upon her face, and the bracelets upon her hands….And the servant brought forth jewels of silver, and jewels of gold, and raiment, and gave them to Rebekah: he gave also to her brother and to her mother precious things. "(KJV)

What? One of the women of old wore jewellery? Is the Bible contradicting itself? I hardly think so. So then Peter is not forbidding jewellery outright, he is forbidding excessive use of it and telling us not to let our outward appearance be what we are known by, but instead to be known by our meek and humble spirit.

In the passage below, God himself is putting jewellery on His people and referring to Israel’s beauty as ‘perfect through my comeliness.’ In fact, this passage even seems to suggest that God was glorified to the heathen as a result of Israel’s beauty.

Ezekiel 16:9-14 – “Then washed I thee with water; yea, I thoroughly washed away thy blood from thee, and I anointed thee with oil. I clothed thee also with broidered work, and shod thee with badgers' skin, and I girded thee about with fine linen, and I covered thee with silk. I decked thee also with ornaments, and I put bracelets upon thy hands, and a chain on thy neck. And I put a jewel on thy forehead, and earrings in thine ears, and a beautiful crown upon thine head. Thus wast thou decked with gold and silver; and thy raiment was of fine linen, and silk, and broidered work; thou didst eat fine flour, and honey, and oil: and thou wast exceeding beautiful, and thou didst prosper into a kingdom. And thy renown went forth among the heathen for thy beauty: for it was perfect through my comeliness, which I had put upon thee, saith the Lord GOD.” (KJV)

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Neece
03-25-2003, 08:34 PM
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5.) Scriptures Prohibiting the Wearing of Pants by Women?

By Stephen Mann

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A) Verses Teaching No Pants

I have cut and pasted all five verses prohibiting women wearing pants from my KJV.
Please study the five verses below with an open mind and you will see what the Bible actually says about women not wearing pants....

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(That's right, friend, there are absolutely no verses at all that prohibit pants on women!)

B) Deuteronomy 22:5

Ah, but you say what about this verse...

The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

Deuteronomy 22:5 (KJV)

Well quite simply, there are four reasons why I have difficulty with the no-pants interpretation from this passage...

1. The passage doesn't clearly prohibit pants on women but there are very clear prohibitions for eating pork, not keeping Friday/Saturday (Sabbath) holy, not wearing mixed apparel of linen and wool etc., so even if there was (which there isn't), it still wouldn't mean it is for us today if it isn't taught to Gentiles in the new covenant.

2. If Deuteronomy 22:5 is to be seen as a law to be obeyed today, then a consistent interpretation would mean the prohibited mixed threads, Kosher foods and other laws in the same chapter should also be followed. Why are anti-pants teachers overlooking these others?

3. If the Deuteronomy 22 passage is to be used as a principle, it should also be applicable to prohibit other male garments on women such as t-shirts, boots, underwear, scarves, gloves, sneakers, etc. Why is this principle not followed to its natural implications?

4. Lastly, if the Deuteronomy 22 passage is to be used as a principle for today (and the previous three points are overlooked), then it remains to be proved that pants are men's clothing. Culturally they were on women in China long before the Western men left off wearing tights (which by the same principle should be called men's apparel!) and hence fail on historical grounds as well.

C) Hebrew for the word translated 'garment'

Let's look at the Hebrew word that 'garment' is translated from: 8071 simlah (sim-law'); Strong says: "perhaps by permutation for the feminine of 5566 (through the idea of a cover assuming the shape of the object beneath); a dress."

Some would focus in on the word Strong uses above (dress), saying that the word in this passage teaches that the dress is female attire. They overlook the fact that Strong goes on to say...

"especially a mantle: apparel, cloth (-es, -ing), garment, raiment. comp. 8008."
Strong says the majority of times it is translated raiment, clothes and garment (as it is here in Deuteronomy 22:5 in the KJV). Not once is it translated into the English word 'dress'. Rather similar to when we say men and women's dress sense, we are not talking about only female attire. The word means clothes, not dresses!

Some commentators teach the passage is specifically prohibiting women wearing men's armour, but whether it's apparel or armour there is no teaching here that pants are for men only.

D) Skirts

While Deuteronomy 22 verse 5 is often quoted, verse 30 is often overlooked...

"a man shall not take his father’s wife, nor discover his father’s skirt" Deuteronomy 22:30 KJV

If ladies wanted to legislate doctrine for men, here's a good place they could have started!

Did men wear skirts back then?

Yes!

Is it Biblical?

Yes.

Here in verse 30 you have it straight from the KJV Bible that all you women wearing skirts are cross dressers! This is really men's apparel. Consider this verse...
Then David arose, and cut off the skirt of Saul’s robe privily 1 Sam 24:4

There are many more Bible verses for men wearing skirts than women wearing them!

The Bible speaks of men's skirts twelve times: (Dt 22:30, Dt 27:20, Ru 3:9, 1 Sa 15:27, 1 Sa 24:4, 1 Sa 24:5, 1 Sa 24:11, 1 Sa 24:11, Eze 16:8, Hag 2:12, Hag 2:12, and Zec 8:23).


If you're really going to follow the Bible literally and get back to Biblical men's and women's garments, then get those sewing machines buzzing, men, and stop those women from wearing your skirts!! (Yes I am joking.)

E) History

In ancient Egypt their normal clothing was a loincloth wrapped around the hips and girdled at the waist. A cape was worn on the shoulders and later a long garment called a kalasiris was introduced. Men wore this as a skirt around their waist; women wore it over their upper body, or as a full-length garment that sometimes had sleeves.

The Hebrews, Assyrians, and Babylonians all wore a long, sleeved garment similar to a nightshirt, with cloaks or kalasiris-like overgarments. These clothes appear to be stiff, with fringed and tasselled borders and square or rounded corners.

For thousands of years in history we don't find pants and it is a relatively modern and culturally brief period of history where there was a distinction of pants only on men and dresses only on women.

Even today in the Pacific and other areas of the world, many continue to wear a sarong or robe on males and females with only a small distinction between them.

F) Summary
There is no verse in the Scriptures prohibiting women wearing pants or saying that a dress was all a female could wear. Instead we find, in the Bible and in history, men wearing similar garments to women (what we would call dresses today).

There is also no Biblical precedent or teaching regarding males alone wearing pants. Although there may be some cultural norms in some countries today, there is no prohibition by God and it is never referred to (as many falsely preach today) as an abomination to God.

This is a sad example of denominational ignorance and eisegesis (reading meaning into the text) instead of exegesis (reading the text's meaning).

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God bless to all!

I love you all with Christ’s wonderful abundant Spirit of such merciful, kind, forgiving, compassionate Love. God IS Love (1John 4:8).

Sis Denise.

Psalms 145:8 The LORD is gracious, and full of compassion; slow to anger, and of great mercy.

dllong
03-25-2003, 08:39 PM
A bit of a rebel aren't ya?
(No offense intended)

I'm sure you realize your a mouse that decided to play teather-ball with a cat's tail? Hehehehe...

Good luck darlin'

In Jesus, Dave

Truthseeker
03-25-2003, 08:59 PM
The onlyway I'd probably accpet pants is if they are like the ones those muslim women wear or something similar. I ain't going for a women wanting to wear jeans talking about their different then mens.

Xerf
03-25-2003, 09:06 PM
with all that so-called "truth" of anti-everything and a quarter you might get yourself a cup of coffee!!

To be free- LIVE GODLY- and let all these naysayers reap the rewards of their delusion!

Faithchild
03-25-2003, 09:33 PM
Good stuff! Thanks for posting your picture. It sweetens up this bitter subject with a little adornment.

Nathan
03-25-2003, 09:40 PM
Amen, a thousand times!

Lois has a great website with some great articles. I'm glad people are starting to see past the dogma and are beginning to live in TRUE holiness -- which is allowing the Holy Spirit (not your pastor) to be in control of your life, your attitudes, your actions, your motives, and ... your dress!

There is no such thing as "outward holiness." Holiness is a state of the heart that AFFECTS the outer, but it is not ACHIEVED by the outer.

Amen again, God bless...

Neece
03-25-2003, 09:58 PM
Please visit here below, to be set free even further:

Modern Day Scribes and Pharisees:
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1Corinthians 7: 6 But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment.

……..Pentecostal Standards are spoken of by permission, not of commandment of God.

God bless you my brothers and sisters in Christ, and to those who do not yet know Jesus, He loves you! So much!

Love sweet love of Jesus' unconditional SPIRITual love divine, thank you Jesus! No more carnal love that the World only knows of to give you, but spiritual love of Christ Jesus!

..His love is like an never ending bubbling brook of joy joy joy unspeakable joy within, …“…ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory” (1Peter 1:8).

John 7:37-39 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

Love,

Sis Denise.

Psalms 63:3 3. Because thy lovingkindness is better than life, my lips shall praise thee.

I praise you Jesus!!! My Lord!

~* Song of Solomon 4:15. A fountain of gardens, a well of living waters, and streams from Lebanon.

~*~ Jeremiah 2:13 For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water.

~*~ Jeremiah 17:13 O LORD, the hope of Israel, all that forsake thee shall be ashamed, and they that depart from me shall be written in the earth, because they have forsaken the LORD, the fountain of living waters.

Love you all too much in Christ Jesus’ love! God IS love (1John 4:8). Praise Him!

1Peter 5:14 Greet ye one another with a kiss of charity. Peace be with you all that are in Christ Jesus. Amen.

A kiss of love to you all!

John Atkinson
03-25-2003, 10:21 PM
Sorry, but this is going to be a real blunt admin post:

NO UPC BASHING HERE. PERIOD

Sis Neece you are free to post, you are not free to promote Lois Gibson's UPC bashing web site here.

I tolerate standards discussions. I happen to think that the standards taught by the UPCI are for the most part good, godly, and no way abusive. I will not tolerate the UPCI being flamed or described as a cult on this board. Nor will I tolerate links to sites that call the UPCI such.

The UPCI is not perfect, I do not even belong to them. I would take the same stand if it were the PAW or ALJC or any other Apostolic group being pointed at.

If you want to discuss standards, fine, stay away from naming groups of our brethren.

Another reason I deleted the links is because the owner of the web site does not believe the essentiality of Jesus Name baptism, to her it is one of those do it if you want kind of things. That violates the GNC rules

Posting Links: We welcome links to Apostolic Web Sites and Bible Studies. However, Links that point to web sites or material that contain information or material that would be forbidden on this board in general discussion are not permitted. For example if a web page has content that states that "you can be saved without receiving the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in other tongues", the link is not permissible.

ddc101
03-26-2003, 12:45 AM
Sis.Denise,
It seems as though you are looking for a law written in the word and when you do not find it you bash those who differ in opinion as wrong.You will find no law written there.Its written on the tables of our hearts.lv sis.c