John 3:16

[JSP]

John 3:16

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him SHOULD not perish, but have everlasting life.

This scripture being very familiar to all "believers" is misunderstood at times.

There is a certain word that changes the whole meaning of the verse, that word is SHOULD.

It does not say the believer cannot perish, it says they SHOULD not perish.

The devil believes in one God and trembles, obviously he is not saved even tho a believer, so we see you can believe and perish.

Just food for thought.

[drummerboy_dave]

Amen, my neighbor and brother. Salvation is conditional. Line John 3:16 up with 2Peter 3:9 and then throw in Acts 2:38. Remember James 1:22-27 and top it off with some Hebrews 6:1-9. Then you're only beginning. Too many people are content to stay where they're at in God and not willing to go all the way onward to perfection.

[nytxn1971]

Joh 15:1-11 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. (2) Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. (3) Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. (4) Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. (5) I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. (6) If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. (7) If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. ( 8 ) Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples. (9) As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love. (10) If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. (11) These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.

[JSP]

Originally posted by drummerboy_dave
Amen, my neighbor and brother. Salvation is conditional. Line John 3:16 up with 2Peter 3:9 and then throw in Acts 2:38. Remember James 1:22-27 and top it off with some Hebrews 6:1-9. Then you're only beginning. Too many people are content to stay where they're at in God and not willing to go all the way onward to perfection.


Sounds like a "FULL MEAL DEAL" to me.

[JSP]

Bro Ron,

A "believer" would say that they do (abide in him and he in them).

lets see if we can find another verse the "believer" uses that says they could be lost. A word like SHOULD in Jn 3:16.

[Jesuseeker7]

Example--> Mark 16:16 "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."
In our modern use of the word, SHALL sounds a lot like SHOULD; modern English does not always use "shall" as a definite word, and I have heard people saying that this verse sounds too unsure for them. However, in the 1600s when KJV was written, the word "shall" was simply another form of "will."

Another "should" verse is Titus 3:7 "That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life." I have not looked at the Greek, but I am assuming that the word "should" might be similar to "shall"... maybe it had a more definite meaning in the time it was written than our modern language gives it. Anyone know more about that?

[Hnovilla]

His NAME is Jesus!

"...SHALL BE saved..."
Beloved, the words 'shall be' are conditional words that promise something in return for, in this case, an action. Mk. 16:16, is actually, the very shadow of the Gospel.
"...whosoever believes..." = "Repent..."
"...is baptized..." = "...and be baptized..."
"...shall be saved..." = "...shall receive the Holy Ghost..."

Brother Villa

[milady]

Yes many people take John 3:16 the wrong way. They believe it to be the whole gospel.

[Unregistered]

John 3:16

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him SHOULD not perish, but have everlasting life.

This scripture being very familiar to all "believers" is misunderstood at times.

There is a certain word that changes the whole meaning of the verse, that word is SHOULD.

It does not say the believer cannot perish, it says they SHOULD not perish.

The devil believes in one God and trembles, obviously he is not saved even tho a believer, so we see you can believe and perish.

Just food for thought.
I disagree, I don't think the devil believes in God, I think he believes there is a God, however, he obviously does not believe in him. If you actually believe in God then all you want to do is obey him. I think the belief is the problem most Christians have. The belief within God is an ultimate surrendering with all your heart, that he is your Messiah and he is the one who can supply all your needs!!! What do you think should/shall means? CG

[JSP]

I disagree, I don't think the devil believes in God, I think he believes there is a God, however, he obviously does not believe in him. If you actually believe in God then all you want to do is obey him. I think the belief is the problem most Christians have. The belief within God is an ultimate surrendering with all your heart, that he is your Messiah and he is the one who can supply all your needs!!! What do you think should/shall means? CG

Unregistered (?),

If the devils don't believe IN God then why are they trembling???
James 2:19
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble :eek:

[jhlent]

HEY there JSP....
This is Your "Step-Child"..... how are you doing....????? :goof:

[JSP]

HEY there JSP....
This is Your "Step-Child"..... how are you doing....????? :goof:


Trying to figure out why the devils are trembling (someone said they dont believe in God). :shrug:

[jhlent]

hahahahahahaaha :goof:

[BrotherBallard]

I John 3:16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren

Look at the correlation between John 3:16 and I John 3:16!

In His Name!!!

[BrotherD]

I disagree, I don't think the devil believes in God, I think he believes there is a God, however, he obviously does not believe in him. If you actually believe in God then all you want to do is obey him. I think the belief is the problem most Christians have. The belief within God is an ultimate surrendering with all your heart, that he is your Messiah and he is the one who can supply all your needs!!! What do you think should/shall means? CG
The thing is, the word 'believe' in the verse about devils believing is the same word used througout the NT for me and you. I believe that's why the bible says things like he that 'believeth AND is baptized'... . To say you believe is just words. To believe and repent, be baptized, receive the Holy Ghost puts you in a different category than devils that just tremble but have no works. Their belief is "dead", James says. :tup:

[luckylady]

Just dont tell me I have to wear a DRESS. I HATE wearing dresses. I dont understand why that is a requirement.

[BroRutledge]

Just dont tell me I have to wear a DRESS. I HATE wearing dresses. I dont understand why that is a requirement.lol
Sorry... You just may have to. :)

It often turns out that those things we just feel that we cannot do and really do not want to do end up being what we do.

I expect to soon read a testimony from you about how you resisted wearing dresses and now you have victory and hate wearing pants.

I would not tell you that you have to wear dresses, but if God tells you to do it... it will be a very good thing to do.

If all the other ladies in your church are wearing dresses, and your pastor believes strongly that ladies should wear dresses, and if it is bothering you now, you are probably arguing with God about it.

If I were you I would just give up, give in and conceed defeat. Put on a dress and a smile, go to Church fit in and enjoy you salvation. It will not hurt you.

God bless
BroRutledge

[warmbee]

Amen, my neighbor and brother. Salvation is conditional. Line John 3:16 up with 2Peter 3:9 and then throw in Acts 2:38. Remember James 1:22-27 and top it off with some Hebrews 6:1-9. Then you're only beginning. Too many people are content to stay where they're at in God and not willing to go all the way onward to perfection.

I love how you put that... it's a recipe:tup:

[luvmyfamily]

What an interesting thread. There are zillions that "believe" in Jesus, but are not saved. They acknowledge Him, might even follow the Bible in many ways. But instead of saying "My Lord" or "My Jesus", they often would say "the Lord" or would pray "in Your name", like they are afraid of acknowledging Jesus' name or that He is Lord of their life. Like someone else here said, even Satan and the devils believe in God, but they are not going to heaven. Why? because they will not acknowledge Him as saviour. They refuse to give up their pride and continue in their own ways.

I believed in Jesus since long before I was saved. I actually recieved Him as my saviour at age 10, but did not get the opportunity to be baptized till age 18, even though I really wanted to.

Believing does not mean you will obey with all your heart. We do have our own willpower, and if we know what we are supposed to do, and don't do it, we are sinning. Jesus said that. Of course, even in baptism, the whole heart should be in it, because it's the heart that matters, not just the water. If we are baptized and don't believe, that it is vain. Then it is just water.

I love it when my girls are in the bathtub (little kds, at that) and they "baptize" each other in Jesus' name! And we don't even go to an Apostolic church right now! but the impression sure stuck. They see the importance of it so much, that even the youngest ones (ages 6 and 4) want to be baptized. At this point we feel they are a little young to understand what repentance is, although they believe, so baptism then will wait until they have the ability to repent. But it is really neat to watch them.

[luvmyfamily]

Something quick I just thought of, corresponding Mark 16:15, 16 to Acts 2:37-39 -
"Go ye into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth...= Now when they heard this they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, "men and brethren, what shall we do?"
-they believed.
"...and is baptized..." = "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ..."
-they had to be baptized.
"...shall be saved" = "...for the remission of sins..."
-sins had to be washed way before they were saved.
"...he that believeth not shall be damned."
-if you don't believe, then you will be forever separated from God.
"And these signs shall follow them that believe; in my name they shall cast out devils, they shall speak with new tongues, take up serpents, drink deadly thing and not hurt them, they shall lay hands on the sick and they shall recover." = "...and ye shall recieve the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all tha are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call."
-these things are for EVERYONE who believe, not just a few. These are the signs of the believers.
-Why don't these signs follow the majority of "believers" nowadays? I can't answer that. They believe, they walk with God, obey Him as best as they know how. Most people say all of that ended when the age of the apostles ended. But here it clearly says different. It says "them that believe" and "you, your children, people afar, even as many as the Lord our God shall call." That, to me, means me, you, my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ all over the world, throughout the generations.

In saying these things I am coming to certain realizations myself. I have done a lot of searching lately, and some ideas I have had have changed. These things may contradict what I have said on some other posts, but it is because I have been going through so much searching and heartache.

[Just wondering]

I disagree, I don't think the devil believes in God, I think he believes there is a God, however, he obviously does not believe in him. If you actually believe in God then all you want to do is obey him. I think the belief is the problem most Christians have. The belief within God is an ultimate surrendering with all your heart, that he is your Messiah and he is the one who can supply all your needs!!! What do you think should/shall means? CG

He knows there is a God. He tried to put himself above God and got kicked out of heaven for his trouble.

I think I understand what you are saying. If a person really believed that there was a god then they would want to serve him. I guess I really agree with you. The same thing applies to Hell. If a person REALLY believed that there was a Hell he would do everything in his power to keep from going there. There is a difference in saying you believe and REALLY believing.