Gynecology

[tufluv]

A sensitive subject, yet I wonder how other ladies feel about having to see men gynocologists? :eek: That may be a silly question, but adding this may clinch it!: Does it seem, or is it just me, that having another man look at and touch what only a husband should, is it technically like "adulterous"? Anything biblical about it?
Or because its medical is it really okay? I personally hate it, and this as I just had one of those exams today...yuck!
Any knowledge on this would be helpful, I've always wondered about this.:confused:

[ddc101]

I personally hate it as well.But it is a necessary thing we have to do from time to time.Consider going where there is a nurse prac. and or a lady gyn.I know of a brother in the church who is a gyn and was before he got saved.His office nurse has worked there for years.Also his wife is an RN.The ladies do the exams.Some would maybe say ....oh no ...I wouldn't want a nurse doing this...only a doctor..well how did women have babies back in the old days? Midwives.Think about it.lv sis.c

[tufluv]

Yeah, I like the idea of midwives, in fact, I myself was delivered by a midwife!!!!
Too late for me now, my 3 sons were delivered by men (2 c-sections) so, but there's still left those yucky, but necessary exams. There aren't as many women gyn's as men.
And mine, a male, looks like a MOVIE STAR, truly an awesome specimen of GOD's handiwork!! hehe!!!
Which makes it all the more harder for me, its embarassing.
My husband HATES for me to go for those exams, he says its not right! Thats what also made me wonder about the ramifications, for one trying to remain holy, you know? I go through a low-income type clinic, doesn't leave much choices.
THANKS for the input, Sis Cooper.

[foreverblessed]

I have never given it a second thought. All of my doctor's have always been men. Most old enough to be my Dad.

I did one time go to a clinic that went by income for one of my paps, and she was female. Probably not surprising to some of you, but I was uncomfortable.

I don't believe any of the physicians look upon us women any different than the dentist looking into the mouth.

[searching]

When you have seen one, you have seen them all!!! LOL!!

Me...

[tufluv]

Yeah, yeah, thats what they all say!!! Both sexes!!
And supposedly they can remain detached and its just a job after all, it pays the bills! WHATEVER!! I guess somebody's gotta do it!
:sb: says, "I'll do it"!:D :D

Well, whatever happened to my original question? Its one of those "wouldn't touch it with a 10ft. pole" type question, thats understandable, but also one that's hard to ask someone in person, you know? Like a pastor...yes, there are some questions that will never be answered but by GOD, when we are "absent from the body, present with HIM", although those questions may not be the least bit important THEN; forgotten.
If this has offended anyone in anyway, my apologies!:bow:

[Sandy]

You would think that to be true what searching said. But evidently it isn't, as I heard of a doctor years ago that was someone you would not want to go to. Which is probably one reason the made it a law there be a nurse present during these exams. Although I am sure that person was not the average Gyn out there either.

I really prefer to go to a woman, but sometimes it isn't always possible if you need to see a specialist, such as a gyn. oncologist. :p Which I am supposed to go to every so often, but don't. :) They just yell at me when I do, and I :) and say ok.

Forever, I am still laughing about what you said.

[NanaRenan]

My husband emailed me a list of GYNs on our new insurance. I made an appt. for Monday morning.

I've only been to a female doctor once -- and took my oldest daughter to one once. Both times they were abrupt and unsympathetic...made me feel like they thought I was just whining and complaining.

I'll take the discomfort of being checked by a man over being berated by a woman any day.

[StellaGirl]

I don't really mind male Docs. But I prefer a female one. When and if I have to see a male one, I make sure to bring Josh with me. If it means making sure I'm healthy, I'm okay with a male. But females know more about how you're actually feeling and thinking than a male Doctor. Afterall, we all know that men can't figure us out anyways:laugh:

[Truthseeker]

Anyone up for a mans perspective? :yeah:

[Renee29]

Anyone up for a mans perspective? :yeah:

Let's hear it......

[tufluv]

Let's hear it......
Cant wait!

I've always wondered how it is that women can handle their husband being involved in such a practice. :shrug:
I know that someone has to do it, buy why can't they all be women?

Most of the men doctors I have seen, and see...couldn't care less about women's aches, pains, moans, etc., of course, that has been MY experience, just as SisNana also had hers.

I've also wondered if an apostolic man can remain in such a profession of being privy to women's (not the spouse) anatomy..be it a doctor or nurse.

[Abigail4476]

Cant wait!

I've always wondered how it is that women can handle their husband being involved in such a practice. :shrug:
I know that someone has to do it, buy why can't they all be women?

Most of the men doctors I have seen, and see...couldn't care less about women's aches, pains, moans, etc., of course, that has been MY experience, just as SisNana also had hers.

I've also wondered if an apostolic man can remain in such a profession of being privy to women's (not the spouse) anatomy..be it a doctor or nurse.
Luke was a physician. Do you think he treated only men? Did he get to be a disciple of Christ anyway?

If you want to find out how God feels about things in a general sense, refer to the Torah. How did/does God require the Jews to handle these matters? This is often a reliable reflection of what He thinks about things. (In my opinion.)

There are Scriptures in the Bible that make statements concerning a man seeing another man's nakedness (i.e., Noah & Co.), but I seriously doubt that this is to say it is a sin for men to see another naked man. (as with a doctor) After all, there are laws in the Old Testament in which a person would have to show certain portions of his body (due to contamination, whatever....) to the high priest. The Bible doesn't specify that these things can only be shown above the waist or below the knees.

We shouldn't lose our common sense in these matters. Physicians are mentioned several places in Scripture, and there is never any mention of what they should or shouldn't see. I think if God felt it was wrong, He would've mentioned something about it.

Now. As far as just being comfortable? In my personal experience, I've had both male and female doctors. And I've had good/bad experiences with both. I had a wonderful male doctor at one point, and I had one that I hated (and quickly changed.) I had a female doctor when I was a teenager who embarrassed the living daylights out of me with her suggestions, and who was horridly rough with her examinations. I go to a group of female doctors now (actually there are 4 women and 1 man on the staff), and it varies, but usually I see the women, and they are all wonderful doctors.

I don't think you can accurately say that men, in general, are insensitive, or that women, in general are insensitive[speaking of drs. here...] It depends on the individual. Some women may feel more comfortable with a male doctor who just brusquely gets the job done. Some may feel more comfortable if only other women see their nether parts. Personally, I like a talkative, open, ask-any-questions-you-want sort of doctor. I don't like the quiet, impersonal types. I also like the ones that are nice enough to warm up the K-Y jelly first. :D And I want one who pretty much lets me have my own way wherever possible.

[Truthseeker]

Cant wait!

I've always wondered how it is that women can handle their husband being involved in such a practice. :shrug:
I know that someone has to do it, buy why can't they all be women?

Most of the men doctors I have seen, and see...couldn't care less about women's aches, pains, moans, etc., of course, that has been MY experience, just as SisNana also had hers.

I've also wondered if an apostolic man can remain in such a profession of being privy to women's (not the spouse) anatomy..be it a doctor or nurse.

I'm a nurse, I don't find a GYN exam a tempting thing. Not to go to detail , but it's not that area that is tempting but the curves , legs and you know... that would be more of a problem.

When I worked in the ER, I would see more stuff, because younger pt's would be there. Mostly now I see older ones. Not much temptation with examing grandma.

With the younger ones, I just got to stay professional and know what I'm going to see.

I remeber one time I had to give a shot in the sit down area to a young waitress from a place we went to alot. She was embaressed, I offered to get another nurse, but she said give it. Of course, the next time we eat there, she was still a little embaressed. Didn't bother me even with her curves.



I do prefer my wife to go to female docs, but no big deal if it's a man.

Maybe I'll post more later

[striving2bgodly]

I have to say, these threads never cease to amaze me...going to a gyn, is compared to being ADULTEROUS???!! Please, folks...that is insulting to my Holy Ghost. As for husbands being uncomfortable- you have to have a minimum level of trust in your spouse- this signals other problems to me...If I were the wife in this instance- I would make it a matter of intense prayer.

[NanaRenan]

I don't think you can accurately say that men, in general, are insensitive, or that women, in general are insensitive[speaking of drs. here...] It depends on the individual. Some women may feel more comfortable with a male doctor who just brusquely gets the job done. Some may feel more comfortable if only other women see their nether parts.
You're correct -- I'm not saying that all women GYNs are crass, just the two I've been in contact with. The one who was treating my daughter made me out to be such a fool in front of my daughter, I still tear up when I think about it and it was neaerly a decade ago!

I just got the impression that because they're women and they menstruate that you can't hurt any worse than they do, etc. Whereas the men I've been to haven't been as quick to try and down play my complaints. In fact, one of them possibly saved my life because he took me seriously when I told him how much I hurt!

Frankly, I'm just thankful that this many years post-hysterectomy I'm not required to go that often!

Personally, I like a talkative, open, ask-any-questions-you-want sort of doctor. I don't like the quiet, impersonal types. I also like the ones that are nice enough to warm up the K-Y jelly first. :D And I want one who pretty much lets me have my own way wherever possible.
This is exactly what my GP is like....In fact, when I moved 4 years ago, I missed him almost more than anyone else we left behind!! And now I have to leave him again! <<wah!!>>

I wish he could handle all issues...and while he could do a well-care GYN check-up, I'm having some other issues that would just probably get me referred to a specialist anyhow. :confused:

[tufluv]

I have a thought-instead of a female nurse being in with the male gyn doctor, during an 'exam', maybe it should be the spouse also!! :D
(IF he is jealous or nervous to a fault)..after all, men are allowed in delivery rooms now. :shrug:

Also I don't think it was ever inferred that a person was/is being adulterous by being privy to anatomy of another opposite sex person, if done for a medical purpose.
It is just an all-around uncomfortable situation for some.

[Renee29]

I have a thought-instead of a female nurse being in with the male gyn doctor, during an 'exam', maybe it should be the spouse also!! :D
(IF he is jealous or nervous to a fault)..after all, men are allowed in delivery rooms now. :shrug:

Also I don't think it was ever inferred that a person was/is being adulterous by being privy to anatomy of another opposite sex person, if done for a medical purpose.
It is just an all-around uncomfortable situation for some.

I think having my husband there would make it even more uncomfortable.

[tufluv]

I think having my husband there would make it even more uncomfortable.
Probably more for the doctor. :D :D

But I a husband has the right.

[SingingHoly]

I had experience with both men and women Gyn. SInce I am in US, I had 2 babies. The first one with a man Gyn. (I mean the doctor not the dad!) It was an awful experience. First, he was refered by me by my gyn (a woman) (she couldn't take care of me as she had too many pregnant patient). I felt that sometimes he was not looking at me just as a doctor. I felt very uncomfortable. He was very insensitive. I had an overall bad experience with him. For my daughter, I found a wonderful woman gyn. She is just the best. When you see hear you would think she has the Holy Ghost! She is in Lewisville Texas and her name is Rebecca Collins! If you need a ob/gyn and you live in this area, go to her she is the greatest! The Medical Center of Lewisville is a great place to have your BABY too! The maternity staff is as great!
I do feel better when a woman is doing the exam. I have no idea why. I do feel very uncomfortable when it is a man. I just follow my heart now. I don't know anY Scriptures about it, but my heart tells it all.

[LilOrphanAnnie]

Probably more for the doctor. :D :D

But I a husband has the right.Oh my goodness, just the thought of my husband there at a GYN exam, with a male dr-

he's not comfortable with that at all, and the tension level in the room on a scale of 1-10 would be about 110,000 !!!!

Myself, I guess I'd like a woman GYN doctor but I don't have very strong feelings about it. At my son's birth a male nurse gave the epi shot & who cared. (Even hubby, who was uncomfortable for a few minutes, realized it didn't really matter at that point) Well by then I didn't care about ANYTHING but getting that shot!!!

[Luv~N~Jesus]

I have went to both male and female GYN's in the past. I also worked as a nurse and attended to both male and female patients. This was all before I was filled with the Holy Ghost. I just can't bring myself to do either now. And as for trust being an issue if a spouse has a problem with their husband/wife revealing their privates to a member of the opposite sex, all in the name of medicine, I have to say that I believe it is wrong. It doesn't mean I don't trust my husband, it just means that it is morally wrong for my husband or myself to become naked to ANY other man or woman for ANY reason. Luke was a physician, BEFORE he became a disciple. You had to forsake ALL and follow Jesus. None of the others kept their same occupation, so I doubt Luke did either. I mean, why would he need to practice medicine when he was walking around with the great physician! The balm of gilead right beside him and some think he resorted to pills and exams, no I doubt that was the case. Jesus never called on Luke to help him out when someone needed a healing. Jesus never had to examine their privates either! I sure wouldn't want my husband going to be touched, poked proded and no telling what else by another woman. It would feel like adultry to me. Like an invasion of something sacred to me. My husband. That is My body, by the way, the Word declares it. It also declares it is the temple of the Holy Ghost. I don't think we should go around letting people defile it behind closed doors in sterilized room, or on camera for the world to view. It all feels real dirty to me. I believe the only biblical approach would be to have a midwife if you are expecting, or a woman GYN. While you may not be tempted to sin, who is to say the other person wasn't? And does'nt the thought of them thinking those sinful things just make you sick??

Then again, those are just my feelings on the matter. Do you think Jesus would have done a GYN exam ladies? You know what those men do. Order you to get naked, and then wait until you are freezing to death, and then as soon as they enter the room make you get up in stirrups spread eagle while his head is literally inches away from,,, you know and then,,, well. We know what they all do. All the touching and proding. That part of me is meant for my husband to know and no one else, except possibly a midwife during childbirth, as the Bible gave reference to.

[Truthseeker]

Luke was a physician, BEFORE he became a disciple. You had to forsake ALL and follow Jesus. None of the others kept their same occupation, so I doubt Luke did either.



Col. 4:14
Luke, the beloved physician, and Demas, greet you.


Luke is called the beloved physician by Paul and this after his conversion.
Whether that means he practiced or not, is up for debate, I guess we will never know.

More then likely he wasn't a GYN doctor. :tup:


I myself try to avoid doctors, I don't go to yearly exams and all that stuff. I think we trust that stuff to much anyways.

[Renee29]

I have went to both male and female GYN's in the past. I also worked as a nurse and attended to both male and female patients. This was all before I was filled with the Holy Ghost. I just can't bring myself to do either now. And as for trust being an issue if a spouse has a problem with their husband/wife revealing their privates to a member of the opposite sex, all in the name of medicine, I have to say that I believe it is wrong. It doesn't mean I don't trust my husband, it just means that it is morally wrong for my husband or myself to become naked to ANY other man or woman for ANY reason. Luke was a physician, BEFORE he became a disciple. You had to forsake ALL and follow Jesus. None of the others kept their same occupation, so I doubt Luke did either. I mean, why would he need to practice medicine when he was walking around with the great physician! The balm of gilead right beside him and some think he resorted to pills and exams, no I doubt that was the case. Jesus never called on Luke to help him out when someone needed a healing. Jesus never had to examine their privates either! I sure wouldn't want my husband going to be touched, poked proded and no telling what else by another woman. It would feel like adultry to me. Like an invasion of something sacred to me. My husband. That is My body, by the way, the Word declares it. It also declares it is the temple of the Holy Ghost. I don't think we should go around letting people defile it behind closed doors in sterilized room, or on camera for the world to view. It all feels real dirty to me. I believe the only biblical approach would be to have a midwife if you are expecting, or a woman GYN. While you may not be tempted to sin, who is to say the other person wasn't? And does'nt the thought of them thinking those sinful things just make you sick??

Then again, those are just my feelings on the matter. Do you think Jesus would have done a GYN exam ladies? You know what those men do. Order you to get naked, and then wait until you are freezing to death, and then as soon as they enter the room make you get up in stirrups spread eagle while his head is literally inches away from,,, you know and then,,, well. We know what they all do. All the touching and proding. That part of me is meant for my husband to know and no one else, except possibly a midwife during childbirth, as the Bible gave reference to.

I'm speechless....can't even respond.........

[striving2bgodly]

I'm in total SHOCK after reading THAT post...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ddc101]

It is not a sin to have a doctor examine you if you have a medical problem for which they are specifically trained.There is always a nurse present when the physician examines you.If you have a conviction against using male Gyn's then don't but if another sister has no problem with it she surely isn't doing anything adulterous.lv sis.c

[Abigail4476]

I have went to both male and female GYN's in the past. I also worked as a nurse and attended to both male and female patients. This was all before I was filled with the Holy Ghost. I just can't bring myself to do either now. And as for trust being an issue if a spouse has a problem with their husband/wife revealing their privates to a member of the opposite sex, all in the name of medicine, I have to say that I believe it is wrong. It doesn't mean I don't trust my husband, it just means that it is morally wrong for my husband or myself to become naked to ANY other man or woman for ANY reason. Luke was a physician, BEFORE he became a disciple. You had to forsake ALL and follow Jesus. None of the others kept their same occupation, so I doubt Luke did either. I mean, why would he need to practice medicine when he was walking around with the great physician! The balm of gilead right beside him and some think he resorted to pills and exams, no I doubt that was the case. Jesus never called on Luke to help him out when someone needed a healing. Jesus never had to examine their privates either! I sure wouldn't want my husband going to be touched, poked proded and no telling what else by another woman. It would feel like adultry to me. Like an invasion of something sacred to me. My husband. That is My body, by the way, the Word declares it. It also declares it is the temple of the Holy Ghost. I don't think we should go around letting people defile it behind closed doors in sterilized room, or on camera for the world to view. It all feels real dirty to me. I believe the only biblical approach would be to have a midwife if you are expecting, or a woman GYN. While you may not be tempted to sin, who is to say the other person wasn't? And does'nt the thought of them thinking those sinful things just make you sick??

Then again, those are just my feelings on the matter. Do you think Jesus would have done a GYN exam ladies? You know what those men do. Order you to get naked, and then wait until you are freezing to death, and then as soon as they enter the room make you get up in stirrups spread eagle while his head is literally inches away from,,, you know and then,,, well. We know what they all do. All the touching and proding. That part of me is meant for my husband to know and no one else, except possibly a midwife during childbirth, as the Bible gave reference to.I'm sorry, but in our day and age, if you think only a male doctor can lust after your nether regions, you are sadly mistaken. So, if your reasoning is based on that, it is faulty. How do you know your female doctor or midwife doesn't have lesbian thoughts???????????? I find that to be very silly.

There are no Scriptures that state seeing a physician is immoral, and since God's Law went into GREAT detail in everything, such as [also including such sensitive subjects as menstruation and sexual practices within marriage] incest, adultery, fornication, and anything else He considered immoral, I don't think He would've left this untouched if it were important to Him.

If you have personal reasons for your inhibitions, that is fine. You have no Scripture to support making it some sort of "rule", "law" or "immorality."

Also, Peter still fished after He met Christ; there is nothing to say that Luke did not still treat patients either. You are assuming.

[Luv~N~Jesus]

Ok, I'm going to be quite blunt and speak my heart as honest and open as I can and please understand this is a very hard subject for me to talk about, privately much less with people that I hardly know.

I understand where you are coming from sister and didn't mean to imply that a woman who sees a male doctor is commiting adultery. I said that to ME it would be adultery if my husband let another woman examine his naked genitalia. I apologize if I seemed to accuse anyone of sin. That sure isn't my intent and I pray the Lord forgive me if I did so unaware.

My focus was on my OWN thoughs regarding it. My personal feeling toward it and the general immorality (in my opinion) of the exams in the first place. I mean think about it. We all know what goes on during those exams.

edited to include link to what happens during a OBGYN exam for anyone not familiar.Gynecological Exams (http://wso.williams.edu/orgs/peerh/women/gynexam.html) Why is it ok to have a man do these things to you just because you may have a medical condition? And at that a man who is not a Christian? Why do we allow Sinner men to invade the temple of the Holy Ghost and touch our wombs! Why is that not immoral? Why not a woman if it really MUST be done, is all I'm saying? I mean, morally, it would be wrong in other circumstances to let another man besides your husband (a sinner man at that most the time) see you naked and feel of your INSIDES with his hands. So, why is it ok sometimes? Either it is wrong or it isn't. Since when are morals circumstantial? It is only wrong is certain instances? You dont' even know what they are thinking sometimes too. Especially if they are not born again Acts 2:38 believers, the devil will tempt them. I think it is ridiculous and naive to say that the doctors are never tempted. I have heard young teenage boys declare they were going to go to medical school JUST for that reason, to examine womens privates day in and day out! That is not right!

I must confess here and if everyone would be honest there would be a few here that can relate to me. I admit right off the bat that I was the one in sin. And that this is not the NORM, but it does happen nonetheless. There was a time when I was pregnant, before I knew the Lord and I had a really handsome doctor that was so nice to me and so gentle during the exams, that I began lusting after him. Fantasizing after him. I allowed the devil to come in and it nearly destroyed all that I had known. It took much longer to get those thoughts out of my mind, than it took for the devil to implant them there during those 15 "clinical" minutes. Years later, I'm glad to say that Jesus came in and forgave me for those sins and I have been washed of all unrighteousness. But some would say, a child of God wouldn't do this in the first place... I hope not, but there were many in the Bible that did, are you so much stronger than they? The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak. Remember too that adultery is really if you look on a woman to lust after her. Jesus said that. That goes for the man or woman I believe.Scripture gives many examples of men being enticed by the sight of a woman. Shechem saw the woman before he raped her. David saw the woman bathing before he had sex with her. And the Bible says that David was a man after God's own heart to do the will of God. Judah saw the harlot before he had sex with her. It was the same for Samson, etc. All looked and then fallen to the desires that difiles the very nature of their spirits. Otherwise, they would have not sinned.

Surely if these can be tempted, we too can if we are not led by the Spirit. Wouldn't it be better to just stay away from those situations in teh first place? I'm sure that David being a man after God's own heart didn't intend to sin, but he let the devil in when he looked upon another woman's nakedness.

I don't want to judge anyone, I just am advocating midwives as oposed to male doctors. The beginning post asked what the bible says on the subject and as far as I can tell, the ONLY midwives in the bible were women right? So that tells me midwifery is fine, so why not find a midwife? I knew someone will jump on me and say that there are lesbians that will do the same as a man. Well, I'm not talking about sinners. I'm talking about Holy Ghost filled midwifes. Why should that not be important to us? Would we allow unHoly people pray for us when we are sick, NO. We wouldn't want a sinner even laying hands on our heads to pray for healing for us, so why is it ok for a sinner, man or woman to touch our naked bodies? the Holy Temple of God? Yuck is how I feel about that! I would feel much better with a Holy Ghost filled Midwife. One that can pray for me as well as deliver the child. Not trying to condemn anyone, just being honest about how I feel. For me, I do feel it is adultery if my husband let a woman give him a prostrate exam or testicular exam. I would be very hurt if he even considered it. Whether it be with another woman he was contemplating having an affair with or a doctor in a hospital, it would hurt the same to me to have another woman be in that situation with my husband. Some will say I'm jealous... I say, so is God! He is jealous for his bride the same way I'm jealous for my bridegroom!

Some here have said it made them feel uncomfortable. May I please ask you in the most sincere way I can, why is that if you feel there is nothing wrong with it. I'm just curious. I mean, what makes you uncomfortable if you feel it is ok in God's eyes. He gives us peace doesn't he? Just asking. Hope to not offend and if I have please understand that was not my intention.

[Luv~N~Jesus]

I'm sorry, but in our day and age, if you think only a male doctor can lust after your nether regions, you are sadly mistaken. So, if your reasoning is based on that, it is faulty. How do you know your female doctor or midwife doesn't have lesbian thoughts???????????? I find that to be very silly.

There are no Scriptures that state seeing a physician is immoral, and since God's Law went into GREAT detail in everything, such as [also including such sensitive subjects as menstruation and sexual practices within marriage] incest, adultery, fornication, and anything else He considered immoral, I don't think He would've left this untouched if it were important to Him.

If you have personal reasons for your inhibitions, that is fine. You have no Scripture to support making it some sort of "rule", "law" or "immorality."

Also, Peter still fished after He met Christ; there is nothing to say that Luke did not still treat patients either. You are assuming.

It seems I have upset you, and I apologize if I said anything hurtful to you. I was trying to explain my own personal feeling regarding this and try to help bring a different point of view to the board.

I never said seeing a physician was immoral. I believe allowing a physician f the opposite sex to see you naked is immoral. Big difference.

Smoking is never addressed along with pelvic exams. We have to use the principles of the Bible and apply them to this day and age. I feel I have done that and you disagree, that is ok. I believe that if it is wrong to do something in the bed with another man, it is also wrong to do it on an examining table.

Peter did in fact fish after he was chosen as a disciple, but it was when he was hiding out from God after denying him. I don't believe it is credible to say he resumed his fisherman lifestyle, fishing for a living. It is clear through the Word that he became a Preacher, a fisher of men, and not fish. I also believe I made it clear that those were my thoughts, and of course we can't KNOW what they did. But I seriously doubt Luke had need of his pills and gadgets after being trained by the master physician... don't you? :) He had other ways of helping the sick.

Again, please do not be offended or upset. I'm just trying to express my thoughts on the subject, and I do realize it is touchy. I do see the Bible using midwives in the Bible so why shouldn't we follow what they did in the Bible is all I'm saying? We are suppose to be set apart from teh world, but we use the worlds doctors? The world is sick and dying and we go to THEM for guidance and counceling and healing? I just think something is wrong there. I think if anything we should be going to Holy Ghost filled men and women of God for healing and ministering of all sorts. Both physically and Spiritually.

[Renee29]

Sis Renee, I assure you that I have a sound mind. Jesus gave me that. Please do not attack me. I did not do so to you. I only gave my personal opinions.

Sister C, I believe others would not have me delete the post (hence the quoting)......

I really do not feel that is led of the HOly Ghost anyhow. I did not lie and I tried to be as honest and factual as possibe, and not vulgar, using technical terms. This is what really happens adn you know it. Perhaps some husbands here do not know it. And why is it wrong for me to accurately describe what happens, just like any medical professional would describe it, and somehow it is not wrong to actually do it? confused..

Why would I need to pm Abigail? I don't think I have said anything to anybody hurtful and apologized already for the misunderstanding any may have had. I will say again, I am not calling anyone an adulterer. I said that was my personal opinion to how I would feel toward my husband in that situation.

Please pm me if you need to....

I'm not doubting your sanity, however, you appear to have some unhealthy attitudes towards sex, martial relations and medical exams based on your previous posts.

[Luv~N~Jesus]

Please explain to me why it is unhealthy to only want my husband to see and touch my naked body? And vice/versa? The marriage bed is undefiled, not the examining table. Can you please reply to the post without attacking me as a person? I love the Lord dearly. If you feel your bible gives the go ahead, please explain to me how. Bashing me accomplishes nothing. Again I didn't do this to you. Please show me the same respect. Give you opinion if you want regarding the procedure and the biblical point of view toward it. That has nothing to do with your remarks toward me and my character.

[Renee29]

Please explain to me why it is unhealthy to only want my husband to see and touch my naked body? And vice/versa? The marriage bed is undefiled, not the examining table. Can you please reply to the post without attacking me as a person? I love the Lord dearly. If you feel your bible gives the go ahead, please explain to me how. Bashing me accomplishes nothing. Again I didn't do this to you. Please show me the same respect. Give you opinion if you want regarding the procedure and the biblical point of view toward it. That has nothing to do with your remarks toward me and my character.


I'm not attacking you. I'm just responding to your ideas in your public posts. Sorry, the idea of a medical exam defiling the marriage bed seems silly to me. I can't give you bible for or against medical exams because there is no scripture regarding this subject.

[jhlent]

There is NO mention in scripture that tells us we should or should not go to a Doctor – BUT –

Wisdom of Solomon (Apocrypha), chapter 16
12: For it was neither herb, nor mollifying plaister, that restored them to health: but thy word, O Lord, which healeth all things.

12: For neither herb nor poultice cured them, but it was thy word, O Lord, which heals all men.
Wisdom of Solomon, from The holy Bible, Revised Standard version

Psalm 107:19-20 Then they cry unto the LORD in their trouble, and he saveth them out of their distresses. 20 He sent his word, and healed them,

While I rely upon the Word I also pray for the one I go see that the Lord will also work through them.

And I too would have my wife in the room with me while I had to be examined by a female doctor – I had gone to one simply because She was the best around – and I need the best.

And Yes there were times that I sat with my wife during many different experiences – When she miscarried out first child I was there by her side no matter what they were doing – no matter what or how they would object – I stayed. It was my duty as a husband and I was there to also pray with and for her. I was there for the whole time during the birthing of my son – I would have NEVER have missed it for anything.

It was MY personal standard to have her there – No I didn’t feel there was any mandate for it – just my convection. Just a long sleeves of ME is MY personal convection.

It was talked about between her and I and I allowed her to choose what she wanted concerning me being there or not – no pressure – no demands – simply a choice.

There are 3 different views presented here….

1)Those that feel that there is nothing wrong - to them the only ministerial advice I would give is – PRAY – and be confident you know the will of the Lord in this.

2)Those that have a true genuine issue with this – You have had bad experiences, and yes those happen with male/female doctors – Pray seek the Lord for an emotional healing also – and ask for the right one to be put into your path. PLEASE life is to precious to take any chances. You don’t realize the longevity of suffering of long term illness - The Lord will provide a good doctor – if you seek it. - - In the beginning of my illness I would travel over 400 miles one way for the right Doctor

3)Well what can we say for those that make issue out of anything - REPENT

[Truthseeker]

Please explain to me why it is unhealthy to only want my husband to see and touch my naked body? And vice/versa? The marriage bed is undefiled, not the examining table. Can you please reply to the post without attacking me as a person? I love the Lord dearly. If you feel your bible gives the go ahead, please explain to me how. Bashing me accomplishes nothing. Again I didn't do this to you. Please show me the same respect. Give you opinion if you want regarding the procedure and the biblical point of view toward it. That has nothing to do with your remarks toward me and my character.

I don't see a problem with you not wanting GYN exams and your conviction about them. I think you have some good points, but some think I'm insane too. :laugh:

[itsajagain]

I have to say, these threads never cease to amaze me...going to a gyn, is compared to being ADULTEROUS???!! Please, folks...that is insulting to my Holy Ghost. As for husbands being uncomfortable- you have to have a minimum level of trust in your spouse- this signals other problems to me...If I were the wife in this instance- I would make it a matter of intense prayer.
Gotta say I agree with you...

Mind you I personally am wayyyy more comfortable with a male doctor than female... during labour and childbirth was the only time a woman would get that close to me without drastically risking life n limb...

as for biblical sure would love some scriptures...

I guess each to their own...

be blessed

AJ

[Apostolic Kitty]

I don't see a problem with you not wanting GYN exams and your conviction about them. I think you have some good points, but some think I'm insane too. :laugh:
I also felt she had some good points. I suppose I'll be joining both of you at the funny farm...


...where life is beautiful all the time...

[tufluv]

I also felt she had some good points. I suppose I'll be joining both of you at the funny farm...


...where life is beautiful all the time...
:laugh: :laugh:
Any vacancies there? :laugh:
:goof: :spin: :goof: :spin:

[Apostolic Kitty]

:laugh: :laugh:
Any vacancies there? :laugh:
:goof: :spin: :goof: :spin:
Yeah. Does that mean you'll be joining me and Truthseeker?

:D <----- Psychotic Grin

[tufluv]

A sister or brother who is honest enough to admit, and voice, their opinion concerning a personal, touchy issue; should not then be submitted to belittling for doing so. Aren't we all adults here? :goof:

We are all only human. I doubt seriously that any woman actually enjoys these examinations that unfortuneately, are part of our lot in being 'special' creation(s) of GOD, having the privilege of bearing children, and being wives. We 'bear' with a lot, but the results are proper maintenance of our temple. Our children's lives depend on it(OB)..and living longer healthier lives is a plus.

We cannot possibly see and do, for ourselves, what a trained doctor can do..and he/she in turn cannot do what GOD can do..only what HE allows them to do.
All honor goes to the King of Kings, Lord of Lords. Spiritual concerns are there only because we seek to obey our LORD, not displeasing HIM in any manner, if it can be so helped.

If I seem to be rambling, my apologies! :spin:

[Renee29]

A sister or brother who is honest enough to admit, and voice, their opinion concerning a personal, touchy issue; should not then be submitted to belittling for doing so. Aren't we all adults here? :goof:

We are all only human. I doubt seriously that any woman actually enjoys these examinations that unfortuneately, are part of our lot in being 'special' creation(s) of GOD, having the privilege of bearing children, and being wives. We 'bear' with a lot, but the results are proper maintenance of our temple. Our children's lives depend on it(OB)..and living longer healthier lives is a plus.

We cannot possibly see and do, for ourselves, what a trained doctor can do..and he/she in turn cannot do what GOD can do..only what HE allows them to do.
All honor goes to the King of Kings, Lord of Lords. Spiritual concerns are there only because we seek to obey our LORD, not displeasing HIM in any manner, if it can be so helped.

If I seem to be rambling, my apologies! :spin:

I would have to agree that NOBODY enjoys gyno exams. It's just a need in life, like going to the dentist.

[Anna~]

All I can say is this, when your in pain you could careless if it's a man/women you want freedom from it. You just want the best care you can find. This is insane..!

[LilOrphanAnnie]

Sis. Anna, I think you have a point, for example, I don't think it's o.k. to go to a massage from the opposite sex either, and that's far less invasive, although just as naked. Well, I think it's foolish and asking for trouble at best, I'm not sure if it's a sin.

I think you're taking it a bit far though, somewhat extreme. Yes, I think if someone is in pain & needs immediate medical help, then whether the doctor available is the same sex or not makes no difference. What, you should refuse help if it is the opposite sex? Myself with having kids, I have the RH incompatibility thing with my husband, so I have to have the pregnancy monitered by an OBGYN, not just any doctor, and the birth needs to be at a hospital, because if things go wrong because of the RH incompatibility (small likelihood, with the RH shots they give now) it would go wrong very quickly & the baby might (God forbid) die, and so could (God forbid) I. So, if the only doctor on call that night is a man, I should refuse his help in the birth? That makes no sense at all.

I think for you your standard is fine. I think in general it is probably a good idea to avoid having an opposite-sex physician for personal things. However there are many reasons why someone might want an opposite-sex doctor, whether because of availability of good doctors, or communication/empathy skills, or emergency situations, or whatever. To say it is a sin to have an opposite-sex doctor I think is taking it too far. This body is just a shell, it's just a piece of flesh to be taken care of until we are out of this world, to put this much importance on it being touched by someone else in a medical situation is focusing on the flesh too much, I think.

[Renee29]

Sis. Anna, I think you have a point, for example, I don't think it's o.k. to go to a massage from the opposite sex either, and that's far less invasive, although just as naked. Well, I think it's foolish and asking for trouble at best, I'm not sure if it's a sin.

I think you're taking it a bit far though, somewhat extreme. Yes, I think if someone is in pain & needs immediate medical help, then whether the doctor available is the same sex or not makes no difference. What, you should refuse help if it is the opposite sex? Myself with having kids, I have the RH incompatibility thing with my husband, so I have to have the pregnancy monitered by an OBGYN, not just any doctor, and the birth needs to be at a hospital, because if things go wrong because of the RH incompatibility (small likelihood, with the RH shots they give now) it would go wrong very quickly & the baby might (God forbid) die, and so could (God forbid) I. So, if the only doctor on call that night is a man, I should refuse his help in the birth? That makes no sense at all.

I think for you your standard is fine. I think in general it is probably a good idea to avoid having an opposite-sex physician for personal things. However there are many reasons why someone might want an opposite-sex doctor, whether because of availability of good doctors, or communication/empathy skills, or emergency situations, or whatever. To say it is a sin to have an opposite-sex doctor I think is taking it too far. This body is just a shell, it's just a piece of flesh to be taken care of until we are out of this world, to put this much importance on it being touched by someone else in a medical situation is focusing on the flesh too much, I think.

Yea, a voice of reason.

[NanaRenan]

I would have to agree that NOBODY enjoys gyno exams. It's just a need in life, like going to the dentist.
Amen -- had one yesterday and go for a sono next Monday!:eek:

[jhlent]

.... but some think I'm insane too. :laugh: And that is NOT up for debate.......

[survivor4christ]

My very first gynecological (sp) exam was by a woman at the tender age of 14. She probed and proded me and hurt me really bad; in front of my mom she questioned and doubted my virginity! I was so humiliated and angry! I think that discolored the idea of me ever going to a woman gyn again....

All of my gyns since have been men, and I cannot say I ever had a problem as Sis. Kimberley stated. Well, not exactly like hers anyway....But I do agree whoever we go to, they should be saved....here is why...

I went to a gyn exam recently b/c I was long overdue for one. The last time I went (I know I was being bad! :goof: ) was when Dominic was a baby. That was over four years ago. The doc gave me a prescription for birth control pills that I did not want, but he practically insisted that I take it so I did. I never filled it out; it remained in my wallet all these years. Not really sure why I kept it; but I never even wanted to fill it out for I was not interested in using something that I did not need. I told the doc I was not having sex, so I did not need BC. He looked at me like I had five heads and handed me the script....

This time around, he asked me what I was using for BC. I looked him in the eye and told him the same answer I did years ago. Nothing. I don't have sex. I am saved. He practically laughed me outta that office. He handed me another script for BC's, tried to talk to me about tubal ligation, and literally told me to go home and have sex! He said it was unhealthy for me to go w/o for so long and that I was not dealing in the real world! I could hardly believe my ears! I left outta there laughing but wanting to cry b/c I realized that this world really has lost it's hunger for holiness. Whatever happened to a dr. encouraging the only surefire way of controlling birth and the transmission of STD's-from a secular standpoint anyways-that of abstinence? Why is the 'A' word such a bad word today? Why do those of us who are striving to remain pure and holy before God persecuted this way? I felt really awkward! I felt the presence of God coming to strenghten me in my stand; but I still realized more than ever that I do not belong here. I am truly an ambassador for Christ, a pilgrim just passing through, as my grandma used to sing? So even though that ol' doc didn't congratulate me on sticking to a wise decision, my Heavenly Father congratulated me b/c I witnessed to that old Jewish man that holiness is still possible today, even for a fairly attractive woman as myself.:)

I called a sister later on that day and told her we needed to pray for me to find a saved gyn. This man is trying to sabotage my stand for holiness! I simply ain't havin' it!!!

So...with that in mind....

I understand where Sis. Kim is coming from. These unsaved docs handling the redeemed, if we are not strong in the Lord and in the power of His Might, could be detrimental to our walks in Christ, not to mention our relationships with our spouses, for those of us who are married.

But, bottom line, it is a matter of preference and conviction. IF someone does not have a problem with it, go for it. Right now, my only preference is that they are SAVED!!!

Love,
Sis. Wenona

[Renee29]

My very first gynecological (sp) exam was by a woman at the tender age of 14. She probed and proded me and hurt me really bad; in front of my mom she questioned and doubted my virginity! I was so humiliated and angry! I think that discolored the idea of me ever going to a woman gyn again....

All of my gyns since have been men, and I cannot say I ever had a problem as Sis. Kimberley stated. Well, not exactly like hers anyway....But I do agree whoever we go to, they should be saved....here is why...

I went to a gyn exam recently b/c I was long overdue for one. The last time I went (I know I was being bad! :goof: ) was when Dominic was a baby. That was over four years ago. The doc gave me a prescription for birth control pills that I did not want, but he practically insisted that I take it so I did. I never filled it out; it remained in my wallet all these years. Not really sure why I kept it; but I never even wanted to fill it out for I was not interested in using something that I did not need. I told the doc I was not having sex, so I did not need BC. He looked at me like I had five heads and handed me the script....

This time around, he asked me what I was using for BC. I looked him in the eye and told him the same answer I did years ago. Nothing. I don't have sex. I am saved. He practically laughed me outta that office. He handed me another script for BC's, tried to talk to me about tubal ligation, and literally told me to go home and have sex! He said it was unhealthy for me to go w/o for so long and that I was not dealing in the real world! I could hardly believe my ears! I left outta there laughing but wanting to cry b/c I realized that this world really has lost it's hunger for holiness. Whatever happened to a dr. encouraging the only surefire way of controlling birth and the transmission of STD's-from a secular standpoint anyways-that of abstinence? Why is the 'A' word such a bad word today? Why do those of us who are striving to remain pure and holy before God persecuted this way? I felt really awkward! I felt the presence of God coming to strenghten me in my stand; but I still realized more than ever that I do not belong here. I am truly an ambassador for Christ, a pilgrim just passing through, as my grandma used to sing? So even though that ol' doc didn't congratulate me on sticking to a wise decision, my Heavenly Father congratulated me b/c I witnessed to that old Jewish man that holiness is still possible today, even for a fairly attractive woman as myself.:)

I called a sister later on that day and told her we needed to pray for me to find a saved gyn. This man is trying to sabotage my stand for holiness! I simply ain't havin' it!!!

So...with that in mind....

I understand where Sis. Kim is coming from. These unsaved docs handling the redeemed, if we are not strong in the Lord and in the power of His Might, could be detrimental to our walks in Christ, not to mention our relationships with our spouses, for those of us who are married.

But, bottom line, it is a matter of preference and conviction. IF someone does not have a problem with it, go for it. Right now, my only preference is that they are SAVED!!!

Love,
Sis. Wenona

Would you settle for moral??

[survivor4christ]

Sis. Renee:

I would, except there are so many different definitions of what morality is. :eek:

There are some drs. who think like my good doc and think as long as you have one monogamous partner, whether you are married or not, that is moral and fine. And safe.

My standard may be a little high, but just being a good person or being moral doesn't cut the cheese anymore. I never thought I'd see the day when a dr. in this day and time would berate a patient who is acting responsibly-in the world's eyes. I know it is more than responsibility; I have a charge to keep, and must be obedient to my Master. I have to keep my temple clean.

And sometimes moral folks just don't get that. The problem with morality is that at any given moment and time they will adjust their morality standard to fit their circumstances. I have people I know who are elderly who are living together but are not married; they do so b/c they would loose their disability benefits if they were to marry. They are moral, and good people. Would help me out at the drop of a hat. But their morality, well, I hate to say, is faulty. They are having sex outside of marriage and old enough to be my grandparents! And they openly flaunt it! They are proud of the fact that they still got it! And even so, I-in my prime-am determined to give myself to the Lord. So no man can live with me. If he isn't my husband, well, you know. And I won't bend on that. I have been down that road too many times, and reaped the horrible benefits one too many times, to dabble in that craziness again.

I don't mean to go on. I just don't know if anyone deals with this type of peer pressure, for lack of a better word? Pressure not only from the opposite sex, but friends, older ones and younger, family and even your own doc???? That is what still amazes me! This is making a very good testimony, ain't it? ;)

But to answer your question, Sis., no, moral in this day and time won't do. I have met many moral folks who turned out to be heinous.

JME, Just my experience,

Love,
Sis. Wenona

[Renee29]

Sis. Renee:

I would, except there are so many different definitions of what morality is. :eek:

There are some drs. who think like my good doc and think as long as you have one monogamous partner, whether you are married or not, that is moral and fine. And safe.

My standard may be a little high, but just being a good person or being moral doesn't cut the cheese anymore. I never thought I'd see the day when a dr. in this day and time would berate a patient who is acting responsibly-in the world's eyes. I know it is more than responsibility; I have a charge to keep, and must be obedient to my Master. I have to keep my temple clean.

And sometimes moral folks just don't get that. The problem with morality is that at any given moment and time they will adjust their morality standard to fit their circumstances. I have people I know who are elderly who are living together but are not married; they do so b/c they would loose their disability benefits if they were to marry. They are moral, and good people. Would help me out at the drop of a hat. But their morality, well, I hate to say, is faulty. They are having sex outside of marriage and old enough to be my grandparents! And they openly flaunt it! They are proud of the fact that they still got it! And even so, I-in my prime-am determined to give myself to the Lord. So no man can live with me. If he isn't my husband, well, you know. And I won't bend on that. I have been down that road too many times, and reaped the horrible benefits one too many times, to dabble in that craziness again.

I don't mean to go on. I just don't know if anyone deals with this type of peer pressure, for lack of a better word? Pressure not only from the opposite sex, but friends, older ones and younger, family and even your own doc???? That is what still amazes me! This is making a very good testimony, ain't it? ;)

But to answer your question, Sis., no, moral in this day and time won't do. I have met many moral folks who turned out to be heinous.

JME, Just my experience,

Love,
Sis. Wenona

I was just kind of being silly about the moral thing. But you gave me a really good answer!! I can't believe your Dr. treated you like that! I hoipe you find one you are comfortable with. My family DR. is a woman in her 30's. She feels like a friend to me and she does all my paps etc. So it's not too bad for me.

[Felicity]

All doctors are a necessary evil. I don't like a stranger poking and prodding any part of my anatomy. And so for the most part I simply don't go to doctors. Except for dentists and eye doctors of course.

I'm praying that God will be merciful to me and let me die of a sudden heart attack ... :) .... and never succumb to some lengthy illness that requires constant medical care.

[ddc101]

sister Wenona,
You had a horrible experience.I am saddened to read that you were so discriminated against.Honestly there are those out there doing immoral acts and making md's think women are all on the make.I am proud that you told that md the truth.

I love the truth.I also am blessed to have a lady md who has seen me since the age of twelve.My daughters also have a lady pediatrician.lv sis.c

[garyfroth]

never been married, no much for my opinion on this subject. However, i took a after a younger adult biological sister who was going thru female troubles and had to see the surgical picture of her uterus to confer with the dr. But, what about a female doctor adminisistering a prostate exam to male patient as was the case with me before.



Let's hear it......

[Qwizcoach]

My first visit to an ob/gyn was to a male. He had a female nurse in the room at all times.

I then went to a female ob/gyn and liked her, but my insurance changed and I had to change. This doctor was pretty matter of fact. She was an excellant doctor, but not really involved emotionally with her patients.

I now go to another female ob/gyn. She is WONDERFUL! She has seen me through a very high risk pregnancy with my son Jacob, and then again through my recent pregnancy and loss of child in the past 2 weeks. She grieved with me and my husband. I think I would be hard pressed to find a male ob/gyn who could provide that kind of emotional support for me.

Our family doctor is a male. I go to him when needed and so does my husband. Speaking stricktly emotionally as a wife I wouldn't want any other woman touching MY husband and giving him a prostate exam!!!!!

My sons' pediatrician is a female. When he is older (he is only 11 months now) I will give him the option of switching to one of the male partners if he is more comfortable.

I think we need to keep in mind that anyone can lust....................male or female doctor and we need to find the best "fit" for ourselves.

[lhardin]

I feel uncomfortable wether it is a man or woman doctor and I don't have a specific preference. I do not have a husband so I do not feel that going to the gynecologist can be equated with fornication. If that was the case I would never go but since this is medically necessary I go at least once a year.

[Guera]

Someone mentioned earlier that we would not want someone who is born again according to Acts 2:38 even praying for us, and I personally have to disagree, for my own life.
My first child was delivered by a man named Thomas Theocharides (who is now in New Jersey- I recommend him in a heartbeat, he is WONDERFUL), and when he broke my water, he saw that the baby had had a bowel movement inside of the womb. This can be a dangerous thing.
I was not a christian at the time, and he was a mainstream "repentance only" christian, but he went back to his office and gathered all of the people working there, and they prayed for me and for my baby. I DO believe that God heard the prayers of those people, none of whom were Acts 2:38 believers. I do believe that the Lord guided his hand just as he asked the Lord to do, because he cleaned out all of the meconium out of my baby's mouth and everything before she took her first breath (it can be dangerous if they have the fecal matter in the lungs). The pediatrician who did her examination the next day told me how RARE that is, that my baby did not even need antibiotics or anything afterward, and that my OB doctor ha done an excellent job. I think he is an exceptional physician, but to this day I cannot ignore that he took the time to pray with his staff regarding my situation, and I totally believe that God heard him and answered his prayers.
Let me go on record as stating that as long as a person is praying to our God (and not Buddha or something) of the bible in Jesus' name, I will gladly accept their prayers and appreciate them. Especially in an emergency situation, I ain't gettin picky on whether or not they are truly born again according to Acts 2:38.
Oh and BTW- Although Theocharides was not baptised in Jesus name or got the Holy Ghost evidenced by speaking in tongues, he publicly made a stand FOR abstinence and caused a huge controversy in our city by refusing to give any kind of contraception to anyone who was not married. He lost a lot of patients, and gained some new ones by taking stands such as these. He stated publicly to the newspaper that he was tired of giving hysterectomies to 19 year olds whose insides were eaten up with venereal disease, and tired of parents of 13 year olds asking him to help enable their daughters by giving them birth control. It didn't matter if you were 50 years old- if you were not married, he would NOT give you a condom or BC pills. He also made mention of his belief in God and what he believed was right concerning premarital sex. What was so cool, was that he rented out the back part of the building of the planned parenthood building for his office to give women an alternative to BC and abortion and gave the devil a run for his money as there were women who had him deliver their babies instead of letting planned parenthood refer them to an abortion mill. So, yes, there are many doctors who are immoral, but there are a few, even though they aren't Acts 2:38 believers, who at least love God's word enough to know what is right. I'd go back to him and a heartbeat if he still were in my area, and I would trust him with my life. Apostolic or not.

[survivor4christ]

Someone mentioned earlier that we would not want someone who is born again according to Acts 2:38 even praying for us, and I personally have to disagree, for my own life.
My first child was delivered by a man named Thomas Theocharides (who is now in New Jersey- I recommend him in a heartbeat, he is WONDERFUL), and when he broke my water, he saw that the baby had had a bowel movement inside of the womb. This can be a dangerous thing.
I was not a christian at the time, and he was a mainstream "repentance only" christian, but he went back to his office and gathered all of the people working there, and they prayed for me and for my baby. I DO believe that God heard the prayers of those people, none of whom were Acts 2:38 believers. I do believe that the Lord guided his hand just as he asked the Lord to do, because he cleaned out all of the meconium out of my baby's mouth and everything before she took her first breath (it can be dangerous if they have the fecal matter in the lungs). The pediatrician who did her examination the next day told me how RARE that is, that my baby did not even need antibiotics or anything afterward, and that my OB doctor ha done an excellent job. I think he is an exceptional physician, but to this day I cannot ignore that he took the time to pray with his staff regarding my situation, and I totally believe that God heard him and answered his prayers.
Let me go on record as stating that as long as a person is praying to our God (and not Buddha or something) of the bible in Jesus' name, I will gladly accept their prayers and appreciate them. Especially in an emergency situation, I ain't gettin picky on whether or not they are truly born again according to Acts 2:38.
Oh and BTW- Although Theocharides was not baptised in Jesus name or got the Holy Ghost evidenced by speaking in tongues, he publicly made a stand FOR abstinence and caused a huge controversy in our city by refusing to give any kind of contraception to anyone who was not married. He lost a lot of patients, and gained some new ones by taking stands such as these. He stated publicly to the newspaper that he was tired of giving hysterectomies to 19 year olds whose insides were eaten up with venereal disease, and tired of parents of 13 year olds asking him to help enable their daughters by giving them birth control. It didn't matter if you were 50 years old- if you were not married, he would NOT give you a condom or BC pills. He also made mention of his belief in God and what he believed was right concerning premarital sex. What was so cool, was that he rented out the back part of the building of the planned parenthood building for his office to give women an alternative to BC and abortion and gave the devil a run for his money as there were women who had him deliver their babies instead of letting planned parenthood refer them to an abortion mill. So, yes, there are many doctors who are immoral, but there are a few, even though they aren't Acts 2:38 believers, who at least love God's word enough to know what is right. I'd go back to him and a heartbeat if he still were in my area, and I would trust him with my life. Apostolic or not.

My God!!!

That is an awesome testimony!!! You got his number? Maybe he can refer me to someone in the area I live (E. Hartford, CT).

The medical field definitely needs more drs. like this guy! God bless him!!!! :tup:

Love
Sis. Wenona

[ddc101]

Amen hats off to that GYN...amen...lv sis.c

[NanaRenan]

Although Theocharides was not baptised in Jesus name or got the Holy Ghost evidenced by speaking in tongues, he publicly made a stand FOR abstinence and caused a huge controversy in our city by refusing to give any kind of contraception to anyone who was not married.
That IS remarkable for this day and age AND that profession. I pray the Lord continues to direct this man's path and that he does come into the full truth!! If only more of them preached abstinance!!!

I would be curious though -- if he is 100% across-the-board with his ban on BC for unmarried teens. Both my daughters were on them temporarily very early in puberty because they were bleeding two or three weeks at a time and only stopping for a few days in between. The hormones in a low-dosage pill helped regulate that and after a couple of months each was normal again.

I understand it to be fairly normal procedure and am just wondering if he has an alternative method for handling this condition that other doctors don't bother with...?

[Guera]

Survivor- I did a search to see where theocharides is now at, and I found his website for his practice. Here is the link www.newbeginnings.medem.com (http://www.newbeginnings.medem.com)
I looked around on his website, he has some articles about abstinence and God and stuff on there.
I also found in a search, apparently back when he lived in my area, he was in Focus On The Family's Citizen magazine for his stand that he took on contraception for single women back in 1995. www.all.org/communique/cq950505.htm
Hrm.... this is weird, I can't copy and paste the part of the page which talks about him..... and this link doesn't work either. Copy this link and paste it in your browser and see if that works, and scroll down the page til you see a paragraph titled "Hero" and it talks about him.

[Guera]

Oh yeah, now the link works. WOO!

NanaRegan, after I posted that yesterday, I wondered the same thing as you, and I don't know the answer to that question.
I DO know that the first time I went to him, I was almost hopeless, as I had severe cramping and stuff during my period, and I had gone to good name doctors in my area who just blew me off about it (this was back in '94 ) and I even had one doctor try to refer me to a psychologist, as he believed I was imagining my symptoms. I went to theocharides, he listened to me describe it, and then goes, "I am gonna schedule you for a laparoscopy- I think you have something called "Endometriosis". I had the laparoscopy, and sure enough, that is exactly what I had, and in fact, it had scarred me inside to the point that my uterus was stuck to my bowels and he separated them, burned out the tissue in my abdomen (the endometrial tissue) with a lazer. Back in that time,, doctors didn't pay much attention to endometriosis like they do now, I was lucky to have found someone who took me seriously. I wouldn't be surprised if he now is on some cutting edge treatment for people with problems such as abnormal bleeding and things like that, as he always was ahead of his time.