Churches --- How do I find one that teaches One God

[Unregistered]

The Bible says there is only One God, not three.

How do I find a church that teaches One God?

Do independent churches believe in One God?

[jwharvell]

Go to www.upci.org and you will find a link on that page that says churches and it will walk you through the steps of finding a church in your area. Also www.aljc.org also can help you in finding a church just go down and find your state. I hope this helps you. I pray you find one.

[jwharvell]

Also, NO not all independent churches teach One God.

[JSP]

Originally posted by Unregistered
The Bible says there is only One God, not three.

How do I find a church that teaches One God?

Do independent churches believe in One God?


Bro or Sis Unregistered,

How about a pix or registration or something to let us know you, it seems like you are hiding.

Maybe we would like to PM you on some things you have said here!

lol :)

[Pastor D]

There a host of church that are apostolic and teach one God. Where do you live? Maybe I can help.

Pastor D

[Unregistered]

Hi. I found a United Pentecostal Church to visit There are some parts of their teaching I am not sure I agree with but I pray God will either help me find another church that teaches more of what I believe or either open my understanding to believe as they do. For now, I am going to try this United Pentecostal Church.

[milady]

Originally posted by Unregistered
The Bible says there is only One God, not three.

How do I find a church that teaches One God?

Do independent churches believe in One God?
You can find church listings at
http://www.upci.net
http://www.upci.org
Independant churches? I am not sure about this.
Unless you mean Apostolic churches that are not UPC
:angel:

[Joan]

Unregisteres wrote:

Hi. I found a United Pentecostal Church to visit There are some parts of their teaching I am not sure I agree with but I pray God will either help me find another church that teaches more of what I believe or either open my understanding to believe as they do. For now, I am going to try this United Pentecostal Church.

Joan responds with:

Of course there are parts you arent going to agree with. Maybe you need to ask about it from the person/people teaching these things you don't agree with and then take it to the Lord in prayer and study the Word. Then maybe you will change your idea about right/wrong. If not, decide if it's something that you just can't live with.

[nytxn1971]

Dear unregistered friend,

You can find an Apostolic church in your area here:
http://www.apostolic-churches.net/search/

There may or may not be an independant one in your neck of the woods.

Hope your day is blessed!

[HnstHmblOpinon]

Well. I for one have decided to go to a pentecostal trinitarian church.. I looked and looked and have given up on finding a good oneness church (UPC and otherwise). and if you study out the other churches they only believe in one God too, not three like so many would have us to believe. I don't agree with most oneness churches because I don't agree with all the standard business and the way they try to legislate people lives in issues that are not backed by scripture. I believe we need to get back to basic christianity with loving God with all thine heart and loving thy neighbor as thyself. I have seen some pretty rotten attitudes among oneness people..... Seems like people are often saves / lost based on their standards rather than the plan of salvation.... I'm tired of all the chaos in the oneness churches. It's not in the trinitarian pentecostal church I am attending.... Those people really show love and concern for people in their church and focus on good old bible teaching..... just my humble honest opinion.

[Seventyx7]

Hi there Humble,

I would just like to say that there are hepicrites in all churches oneness and trinity. I hate that you have given up on the UPC for the people being unfriendly and ect. You must not base your salvation on that but, on what the world of God says for us to do. I pray that the Lord will lead you into all truths and finds you a church that teaches and believes the right way. To get this to happen though, you must repent, be baptized in Jesus name and receive the gigt of the Holy Ghost and then all the rest will just fall into place. You will be able to see things like you have never seen before. The scriptures will come alive and you will be at awe with yourself. I know the Lord is coming very soon. It's not His will that His people are the way the are or act the way they do. I'm sure He is saddened by it. They are like that b/c they aren't where they need to be in Christ. They need to get back to the basics of when they first received the Holy Ghost for if they don't they won't go when that trumpet sounds. The devil is a liar and deceiver. He's out there seeking whom he can devour for he knows his time is short. We must be wise about his tricks for he knows how to work. The very elect might fall into his trap if they aren't where they need to be in the Lord. Be very careful out there in those churches that don't teach the right doctrine for it will take your soul to hell. I'll be praying for you. Keep me posted on what's happening for I care about your soul.

[BrotherBallard]

Well. I for one have decided to go to a pentecostal trinitarian church.. I looked and looked and have given up on finding a good oneness church (UPC and otherwise). and if you study out the other churches they only believe in one God too, not three like so many would have us to believe. I don't agree with most oneness churches because I don't agree with all the standard business and the way they try to legislate people lives in issues that are not backed by scripture. I believe we need to get back to basic christianity with loving God with all thine heart and loving thy neighbor as thyself. I have seen some pretty rotten attitudes among oneness people..... Seems like people are often saves / lost based on their standards rather than the plan of salvation.... I'm tired of all the chaos in the oneness churches. It's not in the trinitarian pentecostal church I am attending.... Those people really show love and concern for people in their church and focus on good old bible teaching..... just my humble honest opinion.Hello HnstHmblOpinon,

I understand where you are coming from, I posted in another thread on this web site stating a little bit of what I have been through with the previous Church I attended. They were only going by standards but there was deep-rooted sin, which has since been found out in the leadership of that Church. Lets say my wife and I were burned, burned real bad to say the least. That Pastor held license in the UPCI, since all of this has come out he no longer has his license with the UPCI. That was good a Church with horrible leadership. So that is not a representation of the UPCI as a whole. Some of my favorite preachers and friends are in the UPCI.

I now go to a Church where the Pastor teaches the Word of God like I have never heard it taught before!!!

As far as going to a "Trinitarian Pentecostal Church," you may want to pray real hard and ask God for His direction. I realize a lot of Trinitarians actually believe in One God, but their teachings are still that of "God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost." Right?

I know that standards are necessary, a good book to read and I recommend it highly, is "A difference a line can make," by Larry Booker. Plus I have several other references as well if you’re interested in several different areas of "Life."

Let me reiterate my point, I understand the horrible attitudes, the hypocrisy, the basis of salvation on standards alone, the clicks within the Church, the fury of the Pastor if you didn't do it just right, and I could go on and on. I remember the pain of not being good enough to serve God and that no matter what I did was not going to be good enough to make it to Heaven. (We can NEVER be good enough, it's only by the Cross of Calvary and the mercy and grace of Jesus Christ that we can make it!) All of that happened and you know what, God still wants a separated people on this earth, to be the salt and light in this horrible darkness. We are to be different, just as the Jews were different, they had to live in the middle of the known world during their time. Remember the former Pastor I was under was still man. Keep your eyes on God, not man.

Also, if you look hard enough you'll see things in the current Church your attending that you will not like.

Ask God to lead and direct you into His Righteousness!!! :)

[HnstHmbleOpinon]

Hello HnstHmblOpinon,

I understand where you are coming from, I posted in another thread on this web site stating a little bit of what I have been through with the previous Church I attended. They were only going by standards but there was deep-rooted sin, which has since been found out in the leadership of that Church. Lets say my wife and I were burned, burned real bad to say the least. That Pastor held license in the UPCI, since all of this has come out he no longer has his license with the UPCI. That was good a Church with horrible leadership. So that is not a representation of the UPCI as a whole. Some of my favorite preachers and friends are in the UPCI.

I now go to a Church where the Pastor teaches the Word of God like I have never heard it taught before!!!

As far as going to a "Trinitarian Pentecostal Church," you may want to pray real hard and ask God for His direction. I realize a lot of Trinitarians actually believe in One God, but their teachings are still that of "God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost." Right?

I know that standards are necessary, a good book to read and I recommend it highly, is "A difference a line can make," by Larry Booker. Plus I have several other references as well if you’re interested in several different areas of "Life."

Let me reiterate my point, I understand the horrible attitudes, the hypocrisy, the basis of salvation on standards alone, the clicks within the Church, the fury of the Pastor if you didn't do it just right, and I could go on and on. I remember the pain of not being good enough to serve God and that no matter what I did was not going to be good enough to make it to Heaven. (We can NEVER be good enough, it's only by the Cross of Calvary and the mercy and grace of Jesus Christ that we can make it!) All of that happened and you know what, God still wants a separated people on this earth, to be the salt and light in this horrible darkness. We are to be different, just as the Jews were different, they had to live in the middle of the known world during their time. Remember the former Pastor I was under was still man. Keep your eyes on God, not man.

Also, if you look hard enough you'll see things in the current Church your attending that you will not like.

Ask God to lead and direct you into His Righteousness!!! :)


Thanks BrotherBallard and Seventyx7 for your responses....

I am still going to the pentecostal trinitarian church... From my perspective, it is the best thing I have ever done... sorry if that offends either of you, but having been burned many times over in the UPC and other apostolic churches during the past 25 years, it is so refreshing where I go.

Going to church used to be such a task for me. I didn't want to be there because everyone was so judgemental against the other. I actually felt so much worse after I left than when I went.... It was awful... I did not feel love or genuine concern in many of them... I didn't cut my hair and all that business but everyone judged the other based on their standards. It was all about standards rather than God's love, peace and life changing experience. Actually the way some of them follow their standards, they do it for show and act like they are some kind of pedestal and "better" than the average person on the street. It just turned my stomach when I hear the sisters of that church say "So and so was at church today, but she had .... on" or "she has her hair cut" or "So and so prayed through last weekend, but I saw her today in pants, etc." Always a negativism there.... and Sunday School class and Ladies prayer meetings are the biggest gossip meetings of the church....If you wanted to know anything, either visit those places or call the pastor's wife or the Ladies auxillary leader... they would surely tell you more than I ever cared to know.... I thank God that I am not subject to that now. It is so nice to hear about God and basic christianity.

As far as teaching the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, while they do call it persons, they tell you they only expect to see one God and they explain their persons just like the apostolics explain manifestations. I don't have a problem with that actually. After all, those were the actual words that Jesus used.... Otherwise, why wouldn't he have said ". . . in my name" in Matthew 28:19? Just asking.... Because, personally, I've been raised in the UPC, but I never did understand what the big deal was after I studied with an open mind after being burned so many times and realized they do not actually expect to see 3, like I had been taught for so many years. It was very enlightening to hear them explain it and say they only believe in ONE, but in the three persons which they explain just as the apostolics explain manifestations....

[ddc101]

I would rather go to a church that teaches the truth of the godhead.Because we know that the trinity teaching is man made.When I realized that Jesus name baptism was essential to salvation and came to an understanding of oneness I decided that I could put up with other things as long as I could keep learning more about this relavant revelation.People are going to be people and there will always be imperfection in others.I want to look for the good things.But for one thing I sure don't want to go where basic salvation is not taught no matter how nice the people are they are still not saved.lv sis.c

[Unregistered]

This is Sis. Toi member of a UPCI congregation.

Explanations and terminology aside. Who is God? Jesus. He is the one we will see. When you've had that revelation, you stop talking saying God the Son, trinity and persons. That's how it happened for me. Sitting in bible study, the Lord gave me the revelation. Jesus is God! When you understand that, you know that being baptized in His name is the right way. And you want to be filled with His spirit. If your church can say those three simple statements (Jesus is God, immersion in His name, and filled with His spirit), you're ok. Let God lead and guide you in all other matters.

[taratots]

yes, independant churches do preach one God- to be more pacific, there is apostolic pentecostal! thats a wonderful religion with only one god,new king james version bible, baptisim in jesus name and all that good stuff! if you need more information, you can email me.

[milady]

Thanks BrotherBallard and Seventyx7 for your responses....

I am still going to the pentecostal trinitarian church... From my perspective, it is the best thing I have ever done... sorry if that offends either of you, but having been burned many times over in the UPC and other apostolic churches during the past 25 years, it is so refreshing where I go.

Going to church used to be such a task for me. I didn't want to be there because everyone was so judgemental against the other. I actually felt so much worse after I left than when I went.... It was awful... I did not feel love or genuine concern in many of them... I didn't cut my hair and all that business but everyone judged the other based on their standards. It was all about standards rather than God's love, peace and life changing experience. Actually the way some of them follow their standards, they do it for show and act like they are some kind of pedestal and "better" than the average person on the street. It just turned my stomach when I hear the sisters of that church say "So and so was at church today, but she had .... on" or "she has her hair cut" or "So and so prayed through last weekend, but I saw her today in pants, etc." Always a negativism there.... and Sunday School class and Ladies prayer meetings are the biggest gossip meetings of the church....If you wanted to know anything, either visit those places or call the pastor's wife or the Ladies auxillary leader... they would surely tell you more than I ever cared to know.... I thank God that I am not subject to that now. It is so nice to hear about God and basic christianity.

As far as teaching the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, while they do call it persons, they tell you they only expect to see one God and they explain their persons just like the apostolics explain manifestations. I don't have a problem with that actually. After all, those were the actual words that Jesus used.... Otherwise, why wouldn't he have said ". . . in my name" in Matthew 28:19? Just asking.... Because, personally, I've been raised in the UPC, but I never did understand what the big deal was after I studied with an open mind after being burned so many times and realized they do not actually expect to see 3, like I had been taught for so many years. It was very enlightening to hear them explain it and say they only believe in ONE, but in the three persons which they explain just as the apostolics explain manifestations....
When we go to church we go their to worship God and not worry about other people. When we go to church,we need to ask ourselves:is the message of truth being preached? Are people getting baptized in Jesus name? If they are not,then we need to go where the truth is preached and set aside our oppions and differences with other members. Being friends with people in church will not save us.Only following the word of God will save us.

[Unregistered]

This is Sis. Toi member of a UPCI congregation.

"Explanations and terminology aside. Who is God? Jesus. He is the one we will see. When you've had that revelation, you stop talking saying God the Son, trinity and persons. That's how it happened for me. Sitting in bible study, the Lord gave me the revelation. Jesus is God! When you understand that, you know that being baptized in His name is the right way. And you want to be filled with His spirit. If your church can say those three simple statements (Jesus is God, immersion in His name, and filled with His spirit), you're ok. Let God lead and guide you in all other matters."

You say that people are OK if the church only holds these standards of (Jesus is God, immersion in His name, and filled with His spirit). I the crucial point is the last one, about the Holy Spirit. It has to be more than just speaking in tounges. ALL the fruits of the spirit has to be manifest. Peace, lov, joy etc.

I really agree with fundamental UPCI doctrine, but as many others have mentioned on this forum, the other fruits of the spirit are not always manifest. I'm sorry to say that sometimes it seems as UPCI-chruches look upon themselves as THE organization of God. In my area there were UPC missionaries comming over, they were helped and welcomed an independent assembly that also believe in the one-God and all that. Eventually the UPC ended up set up their own church and tried to make the people from the independent assembly "convert" to the UPC. There's no way that can be Holy Spirit led! I think it's important to keep in mind that God is much bigger than any organization, and certainly not even the UPCI has got monopoly on Him.

(But I'm sure this is not the norm in UPC, and that many of the best people in the world are in that organization:)

-Arne

[lynn]

My husband and I have attended our U.P.C. church for the last 11 years. We are now considering changing to another Oneness church, but are having a hard time finding one. The most important reason we are considering a move is this. Our son was being physically bullied in his Sunday School class. When I went to our preacher about the bruises, the preacher (who majored in psychology) said that "pecking order" was a natural and neccessary part of childhood and that it would be good for him. He did not feel that it was the job of the teachers to oversee such things. Boys will be boys, etc. Well, our child started begging to stay out of Sunday School and home from church. He was crying. Other children had sat on him, thrown him, and restrained him in a headlock. We can not send him back without adequate supervision. At this same time the class began a solar system study and covered the windows with black paper. They also put a big sign at the steps of the Sunday School building that said "No moms or dads allowed". Well, we'd never gone into the Sunday School before, but this sign was too much. We want our kids to LOVE going to church, not fear it. Secondly, our pastor made this statement over the pulpit. I bought the tape of the sermon to be certain of what I heard. Quote, "A woman without a marketable career will be a looney and wierdo because she never took the time to "find" herself. No man needs to come home to that." End quote. Now. I am the only unemployed female over the age of 15 in a church of 300. I have been teased about our home schooling eventhough the S.A.T.'s are very high. I have been asked when I was going to "grow up and get out into the real world" by leadership people. I always let it roll off my back and treated it as a joke. But my husband knows that this hurts me and has had enough. The preacher was a school teacher. His wife was a school teacher. His daughter is a school teacher.I assume that this is why they hate homeschooling. It's not enough anymore to just smile and change the subject. We do not belong here. He has started referring to stay at home moms as not getting out into the workforce to win souls. And there I sit, feeling like a big spotlight is zeroed in on me. I believe that the souls of my children matter and that the witnessing I do everywhere I go matters, too. Could someone out there please give us advice before my husband decides that all U.P.C.'s are full of cruelty and meaness? If someone says they love God whom they haven't seen, but is hateful to their brethren whom they have seen, they not only lack the truth, but they confuse those they hurt about the subject of church altogether. Thank you for taking the time to offer help. We have prayed long and ferverently about this for over a year now. In Jesus name.

[BrotherBallard]

Lynn,
I have been in similar situations growing up, maybe not in the physical, abusive manner you mentioned, but I understand. What part of the country are you in? Remember, there may be an independent Church close by that you are unaware about. Be wary though there are "bad" Churches in the independent side just like in the UPC.

Your post is one reason I'm not for Pastors or Pastors wives acquiring Psychology degrees or anything in like manner. I work with Psychotherapists, Doctors of Psychology, and etc. It's not good when you mix humanism in with christianity, IMO.

Maybe we can help if we knew the approximate location of your location.

In His Name!!!

My husband and I have attended our U.P.C. church for the last 11 years. We are now considering changing to another Oneness church, but are having a hard time finding one. The most important reason we are considering a move is this. Our son was being physically bullied in his Sunday School class. When I went to our preacher about the bruises, the preacher (who majored in psychology) said that "pecking order" was a natural and neccessary part of childhood and that it would be good for him. He did not feel that it was the job of the teachers to oversee such things. Boys will be boys, etc. Well, our child started begging to stay out of Sunday School and home from church. He was crying. Other children had sat on him, thrown him, and restrained him in a headlock. .

[lynn]

I was so afraid that people would think I was a gossip or causing disunity if I talked about this, but we are kind of at a stand still on what to do. We are close to Birmingham. We aren't sure how to find independent Oneness churches. Thanks again.:)

[BrotherBallard]

Lynn,
I'm "Geographically Challenged," to be politically correct, on the different townships of Alabama. So bear with me. Are you close to Enterprise, AL?

In His Name!!!

[lynn]

We are in north central Alabama and Enterprise is south near Dothan. We are very close to Birmingham which is the state's largest city, so I am hopeful that independent Oneness churches may be around us and we just didn't know it.

[brotherlong]

I dont know who started this thread, but let me offer this advice- I am a young minister and have not served in a church under a Pastor, but BELIEVE me when I say I searched and searched, and everyone was telling me to get into a church under a Man of God, so I offered up a prayer. WELL, PTL!!!!!!!!!! the new phonebook came out today and there were 2 churches listed under the NEW Apostolic catagory, I called both and am about to start serving in this church. So just pray and pray and fast and let God do the rest!!!!!!!!!!

Elder JR Long

[Bro. RA Hooks]

The Bible says there is only One God, not three.

How do I find a church that teaches One God?

Do independent churches believe in One God? There is a small percentage of independent churches that believe that Jesus is God and that He is one

[itsajagain]

This is Sis. Toi member of a UPCI congregation.

If your church can say those three simple statements (Jesus is God, immersion in His name, and filled with His spirit), you're ok. Let God lead and guide you in all other matters.

There are a few things missing in this equasion... I may not know a whole lot... this is on my heart

Holyness standards... are a heaven and hell issue... they are biblical... compromise for comfort is not going to cut it... ignorance based on dislike, or distrust does not negate the truth of this...

Righteousness... right with God... not luke warm... there are certain things to avoid... being tossed about by winds of doctrine... ear tickling preaching wont help... leads to compromise... compromise wont keep us right...

Faithfulness... called chosen And faithful... salvation comes to those that are faithful to the end... its like saying you will get from one side of America on a bus to the other by simply hugging the driver and never climbing on board and taking a seat and doing all to ensure you stay on the bus, and where your meant to be...

Spirit And Truth... not one or the other... both... some like the easy believism... it is enough to appease the conscience and damn the soul...

MIGHTY GOD

AJ

[BroRutledge]

There are a few things missing in this equasion... I may not know a whole lot... this is on my heart

Holyness standards... are a heaven and hell issue... they are biblical... compromise for comfort is not going to cut it... ignorance based on dislike, or distrust does not negate the truth of this...

Righteousness... right with God... not luke warm... there are certain things to avoid... being tossed about by winds of doctrine... ear tickling preaching wont help... leads to compromise... compromise wont keep us right...

Faithfulness... called chosen And faithful... salvation comes to those that are faithful to the end... its like saying you will get from one side of America on a bus to the other by simply hugging the driver and never climbing on board and taking a seat and doing all to ensure you stay on the bus, and where your meant to be...

Spirit And Truth... not one or the other... both... some like the easy believism... it is enough to appease the conscience and damn the soul...

MIGHTY GOD

AJ
Amen sis AJ. Great post.

God bless
BroRutledge

[Truthseeker]

Holyness standards... are a heaven and hell issue... they are biblical... compromise for comfort is not going to cut it... ignorance based on dislike, or distrust does not negate the truth of this...

Depends on what you mean by holiness standards.

[BroRutledge]

I dont know who started this thread, but let me offer this advice- I am a young minister and have not served in a church under a Pastor, but BELIEVE me when I say I searched and searched, and everyone was telling me to get into a church under a Man of God, so I offered up a prayer. WELL, PTL!!!!!!!!!! the new phonebook came out today and there were 2 churches listed under the NEW Apostolic catagory, I called both and am about to start serving in this church. So just pray and pray and fast and let God do the rest!!!!!!!!!!

Elder JR LongPraise God for your sincerity Elder Long.

Please be very careful if they call it New Apostolic Church. The New Apostolic church movement is not Apostolic.

What you have found there may be different, but please double check to make sure.

The New Apostolic Church organization is not well organized and has caused much confusion to many people looking for the Apostolic church. It is a mix of Catholic and Protestant ideas.

When people join themselves to the New Apostolic Movement while trying to find a Good Apostolic Church they soon find that they are in a non Apostolic non truth movement filled with damnable heresies. There are many sites I could take you to which will reveal the false teaching of this New Apostolic Church. Here is one of them. http://www.nak.org/text/4-gb.html

If the New Apostolic church in your city is teaching Jesus Name baptism and the Holy Ghost speaking in tongues etc... that will be great, but since they are listed under New Apostolic in your phone book I have a feeling that they are not what you are looking for.

If I were you I would ask the leader to explain the plan of salvation.

If he is not Jesus name Oneness he is not Apostolic at all, but rather part of a movement filled with scandal and confusion. He may even tell you that he is an apostle and you may be invited to confess your sins to him.

If you do confess your sins to him you may find your sins listed on a web site as many others have found after they have confessed their sins in that movement.

The movement known as the NEW APOSTOLIC CHURCH has no association with any other orthodox Christian organization. The term "Apostolic" is used to emphasise the claim that they are a truly "Biblical" movement, headed and governed by "Apostles" as in New Testament times. Liturgically, the NAC is very different to the Roman Catholic Church but it maintains many Roman Catholic doctrines. Many of the teachings of the NAC seem to be on line with orthodox Christianity, but the NAC frequently uses Scripture out of context to support their teachings, and misinterprets Scripture.

It is very important for Christians to know their Bible well so that they can spot errors. Organizations, like the NAC, will always have some elements of truth. Satan knows that if he comes with an outright lie, we would reject it immediately, but if he comes with a half truth people are frequently deceived.

In brief, the NAC believes in the trinity of God, However they teach that Jesus was created by God on the first day of creation and the implication of this doctrine is that Jesus is not infinite and therfore cannot be God or equal to God.

We are told that without the ministry of Apostles, there is no Salvation.
The New Apostolic church teaches and believes that one cannot be saved unless one is baptized (Baptism, according to the NAC, is a prerequisite for receiving the Holy Spirit). They also teach that sins are only "washed away" once Holy Communion is partaken of. Their main key to Salvation is "The Holy Sealing". According to the NAC, only an Apostle is able to lay hands on a believer for the Holy Sealing, or receiving of the Holy Spirit. This implies that salvation depends on a person (the Apostle), and also that God has not baptized anyone in the Spirit in the last 16 centuries.

The central teaching in the New Apostolic Church is the teaching of an apostolic ministry. They teach that the church established by Jesus was "apostolic" and therefore the only true church is the New Apostolic Church and everyone outside of the NAC fold is considered to be "heretics", "damned" and "distorters of the truth".

New Apostolics believe that they are the children of God and only them because their creed states that: "I believe that those baptized with water must receive the Holy Spirit through an apostle, to obtain childhood in God, whereby they become incorporated as members of the body of Christ."

God bless
BroRutledge

[BroRutledge]

Holyness standards... are a heaven and hell issue... they are biblical... compromise for comfort is not going to cut it... ignorance based on dislike, or distrust does not negate the truth of this...

Depends on what you mean by holiness standards.

They that are led by the spirit of God are the Sons of God. If the spirit of God convicts us to give up things and we call it a holiness standard while being led of the spirit to give up these things it can very well be a heaven or hell issue.

If we refuse to follow the spirit of God that is trying to lead and guide his children we become rebellious and will not be able to enjoy the provisions in eternity for those who followed the leading of the Spirit of God.

God bless
BroRutledge

[ddc101]

Brother Rutledge I am glad you brought that link up.I went to that site and saw that they instituted many nonbiblical things and many things that are catholic teaching such as receiving communion changes you just by ingesting it.That is transubstantiation taught very lukewarmly but still that same false doctrine.Then infant baptism is taught by them also which is impossible to be New Testament baptism due to the fact that the word says...He that believeth and is baptized....infants cannot believe.
Also they showed sealing which is the same thing catholic bishops do.They just lay hands and say receive ye the Holy Ghost and thats it.Even when the catholics first instituted it they would pray until the candidate received the Holy Ghost as this is recorded in history.But now they just do the words and lay hands and thats it.That is a false representation of receiving the Holy Ghost because when I first came to Jesus and read Acts Chapter Two and saw that when someone received it they spoke in other tongues I began to pray to receive the real thing and I did even without hands laid on me just as the New Testament Church did.Thanks for bringing that site to the front.It gave me a chance to go back over everything.lv sis.c

[BroRutledge]

BroRutledge,
Sorry Brother for the long reply. No you misunderstood me, brother, The Catagorey is NOT New Apostolic. there is a new catagorey and it is Apostolic. Sorry for the Confusion. The church i was speaking of IS Apostolic they dont teach anything BUT the Apostles Doctrine!!!!!!!!! PTL!!!!!!!! I am now an Elder in one of thier Four churches. You can visit the partially made website of the Deliverance Hall Church of Jesus Christ Inc at- http:www.dhcojcinc.org (http://www.dhcojcinc.org/).
God Bless,
Elder JR Long


That is good news brolong. I feel really good about it.

I am glad also that we were able to bring some attention to this NEW APOSTOLIC MOVEMENT so some who may not know about it would be aware of the false teaching New Apostolic cult.

It is great to know you have found an Apostolic Church to attend there.

God bless
BroRutledge

[TodayAGiftFrGod]

. . . I am glad also that we were able to bring some attention to this NEW APOSTOLIC MOVEMENT so some who may not know about it would be aware of the false teaching New Apostolic cult. . .
Yes... More people need to know about that NEW APOSTOLIC MOVEMENT... I don't think nearly enough do. I almost visited one until my son, of all people, enlightened me! I'm glad he did!

[Unregistered]

Oh God please help us that we will bye your truth and sell it not!

[Unregistered]

Thanks BrotherBallard and Seventyx7 for your responses....

I am still going to the pentecostal trinitarian church... From my perspective, it is the best thing I have ever done... sorry if that offends either of you, but having been burned many times over in the UPC and other apostolic churches during the past 25 years, it is so refreshing where I go.

Going to church used to be such a task for me. I didn't want to be there because everyone was so judgemental against the other. I actually felt so much worse after I left than when I went.... It was awful... I did not feel love or genuine concern in many of them... I didn't cut my hair and all that business but everyone judged the other based on their standards. It was all about standards rather than God's love, peace and life changing experience. Actually the way some of them follow their standards, they do it for show and act like they are some kind of pedestal and "better" than the average person on the street. It just turned my stomach when I hear the sisters of that church say "So and so was at church today, but she had .... on" or "she has her hair cut" or "So and so prayed through last weekend, but I saw her today in pants, etc." Always a negativism there.... and Sunday School class and Ladies prayer meetings are the biggest gossip meetings of the church....If you wanted to know anything, either visit those places or call the pastor's wife or the Ladies auxillary leader... they would surely tell you more than I ever cared to know.... I thank God that I am not subject to that now. It is so nice to hear about God and basic christianity.

As far as teaching the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, while they do call it persons, they tell you they only expect to see one God and they explain their persons just like the apostolics explain manifestations. I don't have a problem with that actually. After all, those were the actual words that Jesus used.... Otherwise, why wouldn't he have said ". . . in my name" in Matthew 28:19? Just asking.... Because, personally, I've been raised in the UPC, but I never did understand what the big deal was after I studied with an open mind after being burned so many times and realized they do not actually expect to see 3, like I had been taught for so many years. It was very enlightening to hear them explain it and say they only believe in ONE, but in the three persons which they explain just as the apostolics explain manifestations.... Seems to me here that one just wanting to justify being trinitarian,also to the one who thinks there are none of these problems in a trinitarian church, well you need to open thee eyes and ears,because it is love that covers a moltitude of sins. I know I came from a trinitarian church and there are people there that walk in the flesh just as much.

[AnointedByHim]

Well. I for one have decided to go to a pentecostal trinitarian church.. I looked and looked and have given up on finding a good oneness church (UPC and otherwise). and if you study out the other churches they only believe in one God too, not three like so many would have us to believe. I don't agree with most oneness churches because I don't agree with all the standard business and the way they try to legislate people lives in issues that are not backed by scripture. I believe we need to get back to basic christianity with loving God with all thine heart and loving thy neighbor as thyself. I have seen some pretty rotten attitudes among oneness people..... Seems like people are often saves / lost based on their standards rather than the plan of salvation.... I'm tired of all the chaos in the oneness churches. It's not in the trinitarian pentecostal church I am attending.... Those people really show love and concern for people in their church and focus on good old bible teaching..... just my humble honest opinion.

I understand this and I completely agree with you. I feel the same way and I would rather go to a trinitarian pentecostal church than a oneness church (UPC and others) because of the manmade standard business and the way that they try to be a dictatorship in the lives with issues that are not backed with scripture. I have seen more love come from the only trinitarian church that I have been to than from oneness churches.

BTW, I am not a trinitarian and never will be.

[Unregistered]

I understand this and I completely agree with you. I feel the same way and I would rather go to a trinitarian pentecostal church than a oneness church (UPC and others) because of the manmade standard business and the way that they try to be a dictatorship in the lives with issues that are not backed with scripture. I have seen more love come from the only trinitarian church that I have been to than from oneness churches.

BTW, I am not a trinitarian and never will be.

LOVE?

Is it love when people teach you a lie that dooms your soul to hell?
Is it love when people smile at you while teaching you to worship an idol three person god that is not real?

How is this love?

A so called Church that teaches and preaches trinity (three person god) is not a Church at all.

I thank God for people who teach truth and love me enough to talk straight.

It would be much better to go to a oneness Church that is not friendly than to waste time at an false altar where God's truth is kicked aside.

God bless

[John Atkinson]

'fraid I have to agree with unregistered here. One of the nicests, most loving and kind people I know is a local lady who owns a business and is heavily involved in wicca.

She may be nice but I am not going to church with her!

Anyhow, a lot of the so-called man made standards business is nothing more than modesty, biblically based lifestyle approaches, and sicere men of God watching for the souls of a congregation.

That kind of love wants us to go to heaven so bad that ie doesn't hesitate to get straight.

BTW, you are going to find negativism and hypocrites in any group that calls itself a church. It isn't limited to Apostolics. If people aren't right God still is.

And One God Jesus Name is the God's honest truth. Anything less than that or other than that is not. Biblical love and niceness/kindness/friendliness are not the same thing.

God loved his own people so much that he utterly removed entire races from the face of the earth because they were contrary to what God wanted for his own.

God loved his own people so much that he wiped entire families off the face of the earth rather than see his people infected by sin.

[AnointedByHim]

LOVE?

Is it love when people teach you a lie that dooms your soul to hell?
Is it love when people smile at you while teaching you to worship an idol three person god that is not real?

How is this love?

A so called Church that teaches and preaches trinity (three person god) is not a Church at all.

I thank God for people who teach truth and love me enough to talk straight.

God bless

Do you actually believe that is all that trinitarians churches teach? If you do, then you really can't answer because you have no clue.

It is love when you show someone how to live for God. (Apostolic churches don't teach this)

BTW, there are some trinitarians that are baptized in Jesus name for the remission of sins and have received the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues. What are you going to say about those? Just because they believe in a three person god when they are born again according to the scriptures, doesn't really mean anything. They have the truth according to salvation.

I thank God for people who show love rather than being judgmental like many Apostolic churches are.

It would be much better to go to a oneness Church that is not friendly than to waste time at an false altar where God's truth is kicked aside.

I am sorry, but you're wrong on that. A oneness Church that is not friendly is a Church that is full of pride(which is sin) and being highminded(which is sin).

II Timothy 3:1 - 5 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2: For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3: Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4: Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5: Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

This is talking about all people, including Apostolics.

[InJesusName]

I was so afraid that people would think I was a gossip or causing disunity if I talked about this, but we are kind of at a stand still on what to do. We are close to Birmingham. We aren't sure how to find independent Oneness churches. Thanks again.:)
I am sure you have already prayed, but let me share part of my testimony on prayer and finding a church. I was raised AOG, then went to the military, and was sent to Utah. Home of the mormons, one the most messed up "religions," not the people. The people are very kind. So I got here, and I had been searching for a while for truth, and I knew there was more to God than what the AOG and other trinitarian churches had fed me. So when I got to my dorm, I prayed that the Lord would show me what church to go to. I opened the phone book to the churches, and knew that it would be a pentecostal church, but all I saw was 17 AOG churches, I was like no... God spoke to me and told me to look under United Pentecostal, and there were like 3, he told me to call the first one. I did, went to church the next day, it was a on fire, hopping Apostolic Church. The rest I will explain later... the point being, if God will lead a sinner in the phone book, he will certainly lead a saint in the phone book! Keep Praying! Lord Bless

[mrhappy293]

[QUOTE=HnstHmblOpinon]Well. I for one have decided to go to a pentecostal trinitarian church.. I looked and looked and have given up on finding a good oneness church (UPC and otherwise). and if you study out the other churches they only believe in one God too, not three like so many would have us to believe. I don't agree with most oneness churches because I don't agree with all the standard business and the way they try to legislate people lives in issues that are not backed by scripture. I believe we need to get back to basic christianity with loving God with all thine heart and loving thy neighbor as thyself. I have seen some pretty rotten attitudes among oneness people..... Seems like people are often saves / lost based on their standards rather than the plan of salvation.... I'm tired of all the chaos in the oneness churches. It's not in the trinitarian pentecostal church I am attending.... Those people really show love and concern for people in their church and focus on good old bible teaching..... just my humble honest opinion.

REPLY= DEAR FRIEND IM SORRY YOU HAD ANY PROBLEMS IN A UPC CHURCH.BUT PLEASE REMEMBER THAT SATAN WILL COME AGAINST YOU ANY WAY THAT HE CAN HE DOSE NOT WANT YOU TO FIND THE TRUTH.ITS TRUE THAT MANY OF THE STANDERDS ARE TRIVIAL BUT THEY HELP YOU IN YOUR WALK MORE THAN U WILL EVER KNOW UNTILL YOU DO THEM.FOR EXAMPLE I DONT WATCH TV ANY MORE I NEVER THOGHT IT WAS THAT BIG OF A DEAL IF U WATCH IT OR NOT UNTILL I QUIT . KNOW I HAVE MORE TIME FOR PRAYER MY WIFE DOING THINGS AT THE CHURCH AND ON AND ON.WOMEN AND SKIRTS PEOPLE HAVE ISSUES WITH THIS BUT THEY DID NOT START WEARING PANTS UNTILL THE WOMENS RIGHTS STUFF CAME ABOUT AND IT WAS OUT OF REBELLING BUT NONE OF THIS WILL MAKE ANY SENSE UNTILL U HAVE THE HOLY GHOST.MY BIGEST CONSERN ABOUT THE CHURCH U ARE IN IS THAT THEY PROBLE BAPTIZE IN THE FATHER AND THE SON AND THE HOLY GHOST.THIS ACCORDING TO THE WORD OF GOD IS NOT RIGHT(ACTS 2:38)WE ARE TO BE BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF JESUS THERE IS NO SCRIPTURE WHERE AND BODY WAS BAPTIZED IN THE THREE ONLY THE ONE .I HOPE THIS HELPS SOME I WILL BE PRAYING FOR YOU AND PLEASE DO THE SAME FOR ME .WE LOVE YOU AND I KNOW JESUS WILL LEAD THE WAY.SEEK AND YE SHALL FIND GOD BLESS AND I WISH U THE BEST BRO JAMIE PS THIS IS MY FIRST TIME ON THIS SITE AND IM NOT A GOOD SPELLER OR TYPING SO SORRY GOD BLESS

[HnstHmblOpinon]

[QUOTE=HnstHmblOpinon]Well. I for one have decided to go to a pentecostal trinitarian church.. I looked and looked and have given up on finding a good oneness church (UPC and otherwise). and if you study out the other churches they only believe in one God too, not three like so many would have us to believe. I don't agree with most oneness churches because I don't agree with all the standard business and the way they try to legislate people lives in issues that are not backed by scripture. I believe we need to get back to basic christianity with loving God with all thine heart and loving thy neighbor as thyself. I have seen some pretty rotten attitudes among oneness people..... Seems like people are often saves / lost based on their standards rather than the plan of salvation.... I'm tired of all the chaos in the oneness churches. It's not in the trinitarian pentecostal church I am attending.... Those people really show love and concern for people in their church and focus on good old bible teaching..... just my humble honest opinion.

REPLY= DEAR FRIEND IM SORRY YOU HAD ANY PROBLEMS IN A UPC CHURCH.BUT PLEASE REMEMBER THAT SATAN WILL COME AGAINST YOU ANY WAY THAT HE CAN HE DOSE NOT WANT YOU TO FIND THE TRUTH.ITS TRUE THAT MANY OF THE STANDERDS ARE TRIVIAL BUT THEY HELP YOU IN YOUR WALK MORE THAN U WILL EVER KNOW UNTILL YOU DO THEM.FOR EXAMPLE I DONT WATCH TV ANY MORE I NEVER THOGHT IT WAS THAT BIG OF A DEAL IF U WATCH IT OR NOT UNTILL I QUIT . KNOW I HAVE MORE TIME FOR PRAYER MY WIFE DOING THINGS AT THE CHURCH AND ON AND ON.WOMEN AND SKIRTS PEOPLE HAVE ISSUES WITH THIS BUT THEY DID NOT START WEARING PANTS UNTILL THE WOMENS RIGHTS STUFF CAME ABOUT AND IT WAS OUT OF REBELLING BUT NONE OF THIS WILL MAKE ANY SENSE UNTILL U HAVE THE HOLY GHOST.MY BIGEST CONSERN ABOUT THE CHURCH U ARE IN IS THAT THEY PROBLE BAPTIZE IN THE FATHER AND THE SON AND THE HOLY GHOST.THIS ACCORDING TO THE WORD OF GOD IS NOT RIGHT(ACTS 2:38)WE ARE TO BE BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF JESUS THERE IS NO SCRIPTURE WHERE AND BODY WAS BAPTIZED IN THE THREE ONLY THE ONE .I HOPE THIS HELPS SOME I WILL BE PRAYING FOR YOU AND PLEASE DO THE SAME FOR ME .WE LOVE YOU AND I KNOW JESUS WILL LEAD THE WAY.SEEK AND YE SHALL FIND GOD BLESS AND I WISH U THE BEST BRO JAMIE PS THIS IS MY FIRST TIME ON THIS SITE AND IM NOT A GOOD SPELLER OR TYPING SO SORRY GOD BLESS



Mr.Happy,

I was born and raised UPC. God has led me to a church that is trinity Pentecostal after having seem so many unbelievable things in the UPC and other "Oneness" organizations. I found out that Jesus is there too, much contrary to what I was taught many years. I was taught is was the way of the church I was in or no way. I found out that Jesus is in other churches too. He spoke to me through tounges and interpretation in one of 'em.

I don't believe in 3 Gods and neither do they. We only believe in ONE God which is another myth inbred into me while I was in the UPC and other "oneness" organizations.

The difference in the churches I was raised in and the one I go to now is that people come to church and are actually learn what it really means to be a christian, something that I hadn't heard in the churches I had attended in years.
There is so much more to being a christian than Acts 2:38 and standards. Those things are only a "part" of christianity.

[BOBJAMES]

HNSTHMBLOpinion, well I came out of the trinity mess adn was in both Catholic dead dried out non-Spirit moving church and Protestant dead fakery churches that in some cases beleived tongues was of the devil and others that it wasn't (so whom of thos do I believe?)

The re is One Church, it is Apostolic, One God and not three persons, beings, individuals, whatevers!
It holds to the same common salvation from the start and not one of the many different ways to be saved or follow under the 'religions ' of the Trinity groups.
It holds Jesus name baptism, Spirit baptism--which are both immersions and Holiness, something I never saw in any Trinity church or have found since(some are close, most are not!).

I am sorry to disagree with you BIG TIME!, but we teach the entire book, so maybe you never stayed around to get the second message or the one after that.

Lately I have been in services regarding 666 the Master Plan, David and Abishag, POW's-MIA's in history and Church. I have personally taught on the following in Sunday School Sr. Teen Class and College Students (Purdue students) the following...
Evolution and Creation and used Dr. Arlo Molenpahs material and several books.
Why religion should still be in the Public schools and used a Baptist "Wallbuilders" material of First Amendment and so called Seperation of Church and State from David Barton.
I have been teaching the Ten Commandments and will be on the seventh this Sunday and showing how the Hebrews uses the letter as a number and that the very letter was a pictograph form of what the 10 Commandments were.
I showed a Billy McCool video from the STEADFAST CONFERENCE IN INDY FROM THE 2006 CONFERENCE.
So please don't try and tell me or others we are only teaching just ACTS 2:38.
Would be nice if your church taught that verse though, when it is taught, whole churches have come into the truth.

BOB JAMES

[BOBJAMES]

It is love when you show someone how to live for God. (Apostolic churches don't teach this)

A vague blanket statement, basicly stating we don't love anyone, which is errant, and not true and I have been in quite a few Oneness churches.
In what way are they not loving?
BECAUSE THEY TELL YOU, YOU ARE WRONG? NOT BAPTIZED RIGHT, NOT FILLED WITH THE HOLY GHOST ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE?, THAT YOU MUST BE HOLY, AND BELIEVE IN JESUS AS THE ONE TRUE GOD?
hmmm? by what? how can you say that?

BTW, there are some trinitarians that are baptized in Jesus name for the remission of sins and have received the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues. What are you going to say about those? Just because they believe in a three person god when they are born again according to the scriptures, doesn't really mean anything. They have the truth according to salvation.

True a small few are and many more are seeing the light and others are seeing all the light, we are to merely preach the truth, men will decied to follow it or not.

I thank God for people who show love rather than being judgmental like many Apostolic churches are.
Yes God's church is here to tell people how to be saved, through his ministers and witnesses, sorry your church cannot follow truth, but a idea that someone who doesn't tell you truth is somehow a nice guy and not judgemental.
This church as a body and it's ministry are judging whether people are in or not daily, I would venture a trinity church also judges peoples postions and decides who or who cannot sing, preach, play music, usher every week!
I show Love, not by mere words, but by obeying the Bible, living it daily, yes my works show my faith and my love.
But if you start off with a wrong position to begin with, then where does that leave you?



I am sorry, but you're wrong on that. A oneness Church that is not friendly is a Church that is full of pride(which is sin) and being highminded(which is sin).
II Timothy 3:1 - 5 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2: For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3: Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4: Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5: Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

This is talking about all people, including Apostolics.[/quote]

Sorry this is not talking about Apostolic Christians and Trinitarian churches, it is Apostolic Christians and all others who are not so, yes Apostolics can fall into that as well, but we teach and preach and pray that they don't and that Trinitarians and the world get saved as well.
Thos Apostolics who fall into these categories can be changed and repent at a moments notice and set things right, but a Trinitarian must be saved, must repent and change from what they are in as well as those things above.
BOB JAMES

[Donny Cage]

Mr.Happy,

I was born and raised UPC. God has led me to a church that is trinity Pentecostal after having seem so many unbelievable things in the UPC and other "Oneness" organizations. I found out that Jesus is there too, much contrary to what I was taught many years. I was taught is was the way of the church I was in or no way. I found out that Jesus is in other churches too. He spoke to me through tounges and interpretation in one of 'em.

I don't believe in 3 Gods and neither do they. We only believe in ONE God which is another myth inbred into me while I was in the UPC and other "oneness" organizations.

The difference in the churches I was raised in and the one I go to now is that people come to church and are actually learn what it really means to be a christian, something that I hadn't heard in the churches I had attended in years.
There is so much more to being a christian than Acts 2:38 and standards. Those things are only a "part" of christianity.

This is why it's so important for our churches to well educate our children on the different beliefs. I hear far too often, oneness people say, "Trinitarians believe in 3 gods" or, "I'm a 1 God believing apostolic" (as if that is a proper dichotomy).

While some trinitarians might actually believe in three gods (when they explain the trinity) it should be carefully noted that they do not THINK they believe in three gods. So if an apostolic Christian ever speaks to a trinitarian, you should never tell them they believe in three gods, because the truly believe they don't. This is one of the quickest ways for someone to cut you off, by misrepresenting their beliefs.

I truly believe God has sincere believers in the false church, and He wants them to come out. "Come out of her, My people, lest you share in her sins".

I'm sorry you had a bad experience in the churches you were going to... But we should not base "truth" from our experiences. We base truth from the word of God.

If I let my past experiences hinder me, there would be a plethora of things I could no longer do.

It sounds as if the church(s) you were going to, had a lot of growing up to do. If I were in a church that was not teaching us how to be a Christian I would probably leave too.

[k_pilgrim]

And One God Jesus Name is the God's honest truth. Anything less than that or other than that is not. Biblical love and niceness/kindness/friendliness are not the same thing.

God loved his own people so much that he utterly removed entire races from the face of the earth because they were contrary to what God wanted for his own.

God loved his own people so much that he wiped entire families off the face of the earth rather than see his people infected by sin.
Amen!!!!!!

Old thread, but if some of the guys of some of the posts are still around, they really do need to hear this Powerful & anointed message of Rev. Jason Sciscoe, called, "The Cure For Itching Ears."

Rev. Paul D. Mooney once said, "you cannot love people through a lie, you can only love people, through the Truth".

BTW, once on the link below, another powerful message is the "Baptism Of The Holy Spirit", by Pastor Nathaniel Haney.

http://www.oneplace.com/ministries/Christian_Life_Center/archives.asp?bcd+2006-12-10