Are figurenes idols?

[Truthseeker]

I'm reading a book that says we are to abstain from Idols. It goes on to say figurenes would be an Idol even says puppets are idols.

I don't believe in picture/statues of angels or of Jesus. But wouldn't a figurene have to be an object of worship to be an Idol?

Are puppet shows Idolatry?:eek: :eek:

[mfblume]

No..... I do not think figurines are idols. Idols are only idols if they are worshipped. (Including trees -- ;) )

If that were the case, then how come there were figures of cherubims in the temple, and engravings of lions and so forth?

[Truthseeker]

Can one decorate a tree with gold and silver and put a star on top and it be not an Idol??:D

We got about 8 months til I can talk about your tree:yeah:

how do you feel about clowns?

[nightwatchman]

WAYS THAT PEOPLE SERVE IDOLS:

THEY BRING IN VESSELS

THEY PRAISE THE GODS OF GOLD AND SILVER

THEY WORSHIP IT

THEY FALL DOWN TO IT

THEY BOW TO IT

THEY PRAY TO IT

THEY SAY, "DELIVER ME"

THEY SAY, "THOU ART MY GOD"

THEY BEAR IT ON THEIR SHOULDERS

THEY CARRY IT

THEY SET IT IN ITS PLACE

ONE SHALL CRY UNTO IT

It is written:
Dan 5:23-THEY HAVE BROUGHT THE VESSELS OF HIS HOUSE BEFORE THEE, AND THOU, AND THY LORDS, THY WIVES, AND THY CONCUBINES, HAVE DRUNK WINE IN THEM; AND THOU HAST PRAISED THE GODS OF SILVER, AND GOLD, OF BRASS, IRON, WOOD, AND STONE, WHICH SEE NOT, NOR HEAR, NOR KNOW.
Isa 44:15-…HE (ALSO) MAKETH A GOD, AND WORSHIPPETH IT; HE MAKETH IT A GRAVEN IMAGE, AND FALLETH (OR BOWS) DOWN THERETO (TO IT).
Isa 44:17-AND THE RESIDUE (OR FROM THE REST) THEREOF HE MAKETH A GOD, EVEN HIS GRAVEN IMAGE (OR IDOL): HE FALLETH (OR BOWS) DOWN UNTO IT, AND WORSHIPPETH IT, AND PRAYETH UNTO IT, AND SAITH, DELIVER ME (OR SAVE ME); FOR THOU ART MY GOD.
Isa 45:20-ASSEMBLE YOURSELVES AND COME; DRAW NEAR TOGETHER, YE THAT ARE ESCAPED OF THE NATIONS: THEY HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE THAT SET UP THE WOOD OF THEIR GRAVEN IMAGE, AND PRAY UNTO A GOD THAT CANNOT SAVE.
Isa 46:6-THEY LAVISH GOLD OUT OF THE BAG, AND WEIGH SILVER IN THE BALANCE, AND HIRE A GOLDSMITH; AND HE MAKETH IT A GOD: THEY FALL DOWN, YEA, THEY WORSHIP.
Isa 46:7-THEY BEAR HIM (IT) UPON THE SHOULDER, THEY CARRY HIM (IT), AND SET HIM (IT) IN HIS (ITS) PLACE, AND HE (IT) STANDETH; FROM HIS (THAT) PLACE SHALL HE (IT) NOT REMOVE: YEA, ONE SHALL CRY UNTO HIM (IT), YET CAN HE (IT) NOT ANSWER, NOR SAVE HIM OUT OF HIS TROUBLE.:bow: :bow:

[straitway]

I like clowns, everyone ought to own 2 or 3 of them!

:goof:

:spin:

:sb:

[John Atkinson]

No, I think for a thing to be an idol it has to hold a place of adoration in your heart. Even in pagan cultures, it wasn't the statue that was worshipped as much as the concept or being that the statue embodied.

People who pray in front of a statue of Mary aren't praying to the statue, they are using the statue as a focal point for prayers, which are directed at Mary, yes, this is idolatry.

But does possesing a figurine, represent idolatry? I don't think so.

I am an artist, I like to draw and paint things. If I sit in the museum and draw a replica of an ancient greek statue of Athe na, I am not worshipping Athena. I am drawing a picture of a statue.

What does and does not constitute an idol dwell solely in the heart of the beholder.

Your car, home, family, job, hobbies,... these can be idols as much as any statue or figurine.

PS I don't own any portraits of Jesus or etc. That is based on personal preference, not conviction.

PPS People who know me consider me to be a bit of a clown.

[ddc101]

An idol is an idol regardless of where its situated.We cannot bring Dagon into the house and use him for decoration.Jesus would not be happy with that nor the witness to unbelievers.It would bring reproach.Idols harbor spirits.Consider this next time you want a cute happy budda for the oriental living room.lv sis.c

Rev 18:2-4
2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
(KJV)

Rev 18:5
5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
(KJV)

lv sis.c

[accurate]

Originally posted by Truthseeker
Can one decorate a tree with gold and silver and put a star on top and it be not an Idol??:D


About idols and pagan backgrounds in present-day. Christmas, birthdays, weddings.

An average wedding has over 80 traditions that were intoduced by pagan-ancestors.(mostly related to fertiality gods, etc)

The birthday has many pagan traditions(candles, cake, etc), as does christimas.(gifts, the tree)

I was brought up being taught these traditions were not to have any place in the home. But, what about the other 86% of pagan customs that we do and never realize unless we do a very good study of history?

And filtering only 14% of family tradition is supposed to promote Jesus to new saints of God?

[searching]

I have heard it said that the wearing of a necktie was started by pagan traditions. I'll shut up now.

Me...

[Adoniyah]

I do not know about a particular figurine, having not seen it, but I can from experience speak of various imagines that I have seen. Some are demonic, attracting demonic spirits.

I was once in the office of a very wealthy Jewish man. He had a very expensive image of something sitting over on a pedastal. He had paid a great amount of money for that thing.

I said to him, "You should know that the bible says, "Thou shalt not make unto thee any engraven images..."

Without a word, he got up from his desk, walked over to that monster looking thing, picking it up and said, "I had forgotten that." With that, he took it over to a large waste basket and dropped it into it.

I saw him several months later and he said to me, "You know, I immediately began feeling a lot better after getting rid of that that thing."

That is why I believe that those things attract spirits. People have strange looking things around in their homes which causes problems from the spirits that they attract.

Psa 101:3, "I will set no wicked thing before mine eyes: I hate the work of them that turn aside; [it] shall not cleave to me."

That also speaks of the wickness that is seen on TV that so many Apostolics lap up.

[nytxn1971]

Figurenes as idols?

Um... well... depends on how much importance one puts on them...
Of course the same is true of ANYTHING...

Absolutely anything can be an idol if it takes the place of God in your heart... Including a human being...

[accurate]

Originally posted by searching
I have heard it said that the wearing of a necktie was started by pagan traditions. I'll shut up now.

Me...

God freed me from neckties years ago, hadn't been tempted to wear one sense.. just kidding

[Whosoever Will]

I like that necktie doctrine.;)

[ddc101]

I have never even been tempted to wear a necktie...sis.c

[Goodshepherd]

That is the key bro. John

"an idol............ has to hold a place of adoration in your heart. "

If you donot worship it then it is not an idol. However, there are certain image I will not bring in my home, if I know that it has a meaning that contradicts my christian beliefs or I know has some pagan meaning.

[John Atkinson]

I agree. I wouldn't bring a buddha or statuette of mary into my home and put it on my shelf....

There is the bit about abstaining from the very apearance of evil.

[John Atkinson]

Doing away with neckties seems to be a good thing. That is the most useless accuotrement that I can think of. Long have I hated them and I only wear one when I ABSOLUTLY HAVE to; ie weddings, funerals, conferences.

But, I would like to add for the benifit of all, if my church taught wearing neckties as a standard for men, I would never step out of the house without one on. Even though you can't show me BIBLE that says I have to wear a tie.

[dllong]

I have no choice of ties. My job requires it and my pastor demands it.

The only time I don't wear a tie is when I am sleeping and showering. If they ever invent a wrinkle proof, water-proof tie, I suspect I may as well wear it 24-7.

:(

As for dolls, I gave that up years ago.

Muhahahahaha

Dave


Dave

[Truthseeker]

I got email from a man that believes all dolls/figurenes are idols. Even my sosn dinos. I'll have to pray about and let God show me this angle

[ddc101]

I had a wierd feeling about only one of my daughter dolls.She collects porcelins.I gave her a bride doll one year.When I would go into her room I would get this wierd feeling that it was staring at me.I am not the superstitous type.So anyway a few months ago I read some stuff on a site about the origin of dolls.And it was a sacrifice to the goddess Juno when the girls would come of age to marry they would put their bride dolls on the altar to Juno.
wierd..too wierd for me...sis.c

[mfblume]

So does that mean girls should not play with dolls?

(I don't think so). :)

[WorDsHines]

Adoniyah,

At this point, I'm not sure I'm convinced that certain figures attract spirits.

I think maybe it would be more along the lines of the people and their circumstances that have the figures. If someone has a Budhha and really has some measure of belief in that religion, then of course there would be spirits attracted to that person because of the potential of using them to spread false doctrine.

If a believer had something they felt was attracting spirits and chose to let it remain, then that would be giving place to the devil, who would obviously use that situation to his advantage. The Bible says "If any man esteemeth anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean" (that's an approximate quote).

I don't know, I'm really just thinking out loud here.

What does everybody else think....can objects really attract spirits, or are the spirits attracted to the holders of such objects?

[stmatthew]

I believe that "spiritual doorways" are opened by certain figurenes. Witchcraft has many images such as a voodoo doll. There are games, collectors card, and many other childrens toys that I believe opens doors to demonic spirits.

JMHO

[accurate]

. y2k is dead

[survivor4christ]

I also believe that there are objects that definitely attract evil spirits.

Gives a whole new to the phrase 'cleaning house.'

Love, Sis. Wenona

[accurate]

. booya

[Goodshepherd]

I will say amen to the taught that there are certain images that attract evil spirit.............

[Apostolic Kitty]

Originally posted by stmatthew
I believe that "spiritual doorways" are opened by certain figurenes. Witchcraft has many images such as a voodoo doll. There are games, collectors card, and many other childrens toys that I believe opens doors to demonic spirits.


Most definitely! There have been times I've cleaned my house and got rid of things that I realized were inappropriate.

One thing I still find puzzling is when the Lord spoke to me aboutf a bird that was off a flower arrangement from when my grandfather died. I had it in a vase in my living room, but suddenly every time I looked at it I heard "dead things". A few times of that and I took the thing and threw it away. I knew "dead things" couldn't be good things. Never heard anything about it after that...

[tufluv]

AS FOR ME: I can't stand "clown" figurines, sure they may be kinda cute to some, but they are "fake" faces...painted on faces..
and as for dolls! Gosh, a long held tradition of any culture, I guess, for little girls to play with dolls, boys with truck, guns, etc.etc.
All these "normal" things, may hold pagan pasts, and if one is not aware, then are we still not held accountable? I wonder., yet for me, once having become "enlightened" to things pagan, I make appropriate changes. For a long time now, I have not kept anything figurine-ish around, especially things or even pictures, with faces, its just MY way.
What Sis Cooper said about that one doll, I feel that the HOLY GHOST can and will convict one of something inappropriate., and I believe some do attract bad spirits, maybe not having them "in them" inherently. That "freaks" me out about the spirit of Juno! 'cause my mom carried on a tradition of getting daughters a "bride" doll, hung on the wall in her bedroom (me)! Supposedly, I thought, to give one an image of attainment of being a bride in white!? Poor mom and mothers of daughters in general! People with good intentions, yet..! guess it don't always work, seeing the society of today, prevalent with fornication.

Anyone ever heard of seen of those "Chuckie" doll movies!
Absolutely reprehensible! Disgusting! even Scary, and that is what attracts so many worldly movie-goers, heck, even some "saints?"..I can't for the world, see that as anything NOT OCCULTIC!
In channel surfing, which my husband does sometimes, he has been known to stop at those Chuckie movies, and I get mad! :realmad: So he turns it off. What is so darn attractive about such stuff? the "world" screams for more, having developed desensitivism to evil...and the EvilOne lo-o-o-v-es that! Gullible people fall prey to his tactics, I give no room to that!