Extraterrestrial Civilizations and Faith

[John Atkinson]

Bro John hasn't gone wierd, this is, I believe a valid and relevant concern for the Church.

What if? What would it mean to us if definative proof of an extraterrestrial civilization were to come to light.

Please understand, I don't believe the G'vmnt is reverse engineering an alien spacecraft at area 51, for one, us reverse engineering artifacts built by a race with the technology to span the stars would be like Ben Franklin trying to reverse engineer my laptop, he wouldn't get past the plastic on the case.

I have already settled this question in my mind, my faith would stand if we made first contact tomorrow. But I do think it is relevant question to ask.

The US Government has taken it seriously, we the church should at least examine it without fear.

Besides, if folks can spend ten pages discussing MMMMM, um MMMMaaa...... that word, I can ask about aliens.

PS: I have 2 computers that run the SETI at home program http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ as a screensaver processing radio telescope data in search of patterns that would indicate an intelligent species. So far nothing to indicate a sentient race among the stars has been detected. If you are REALLY curious, go to yahoo or google and look up "Fermi's Paradox" It should prove interesting reading on the "Are we alone" question.

[Oldpreach]

None of the above...but , i do have my thoughts about it.

Oh , Brother Atkinson , have you been listening to too much coast to coast AM or what???? lol. You even have the SETI stuff running on your computers...that a gas !!!

[accurate]

Dear Bro. Atkinson,
I don't have brains, but I love this subject! I've only found a few variations of the word "heaven", their definitions all refer to sky.

"the sky (as aloft; the dual perhaps alluding to the visible arch in which the clouds move, as well as to the higher ether where the celestial bodies revolve):" - strongs dictionary

I'd say I would not limit the possibility of the existance of a church on earth(field,ground) somewhere else. Earth can orbit around anywhere in space.

All the stuff about roswell is just commerical hooey, a town exist now because of it. If heaven means what the definition says, we look at heaven everyday. But anything there prepared for the church, I'm sure the most powerful telescope can't see it.

If God decided to put human life on earth elsewheres(perhaps reasons we don't know why), its perfectly fine with me(its not really my business), but I wouldn't be upset at all to see a broader number of raptured saints of God!

This is one of them subjects that is more of a hobby for some than others. I understand and respect everyones opinions.

Love you all,

[servant]

Bro John,
The universe is a mighty big place. It's not science fiction to believe that there could be someone out there besides us Earthlings. There are parts of our own planet we haven't yet explored and lifeforms we have yet to discover. Scientists are finding creatures deep in the ocean that were previously unknown until just recently. It's very possible that other lifeforms, maybe even intelligent, advanced life forms, share our universe with us.

Serv :)

[tufluv]

I sure hope so, for there aren't enough intelligent life forms here on Earth! (i.e.the WARS, The ThirdWorld conditions, the false doctrines), etc.etc.

[nightwatchman]

Hey Mr. Spaceman,you want a SEARCH FOR TRUTH bible study?:spin: :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin:

[accurate]

some of you may be interested in one sernarios that some a friend has mentioned to me

I met this one brother at a local church who believes I shouldn't even own a telescope, "any interest in space will only lead you to believe in the coming anti-christ in his space shuttle", "you've been deceived by all that science-fiction", "you can't help it you love space,".

What is hilarious is that alot of this actually gets preached in his church. Maybe I should explain why his car will lead him to the anti-christ and the only way to be saved is to move out to an amish community somewhere. LOL

[John Atkinson]

There is a lot we don't know, with 400 billion stars in this galaxy, and millions of galaxies in the universe, we know next to nothing about what lies beyond the earth.

To me it is inconcievable that the God we serve, who loves life, would leave all that empty of it. I imagine there may even be a world out there where the equivelent of Adam may not have failed.

But, it is all speculation. I do not believe we will ever encounter another species from another planet. Nearly 40 years of SETI with radio telescopes has yeilded nothing. On our own part, our own signals have had time to reach 70 light years out, once a radio signal leaves the atmosphere it will propogate for basically ever. So, if there was an advanced civilization out there, we should have heard it by now, unless they are advanced enough to cloak all of their electronic emmissions.

Fermi's Paradox, Enrico Fermi was a physicist who worked on the first atomic reactor. His paradox asks the simple question: Where are they? He then went to show how a civilization would be able to colonize the entire galaxy in around 100,000 years without faster than light space craft. The end result being, if they existed, we already would have met them.

So, I believe it is also concievable that God created us alone, besides the angels.

There is also the issue of light speed, you cannot go faster than it. that is science fact. Perhaps in the realm of physics there is a way to go around it, but we are not even close to that understanding.

You never know, that light speed barrier may well be something God designed into the universe to keep his creations from running into each other. If you study the physical properties of light, and compare with the scriptures concerning light you come away with some amazing parallels.

So, perhaps they are out there, but my personal opinion is that we will never encounter them, so it is a moot question, but one I felt was interesting enough to ask.

If they landed tomorrow, I would'nt immediately start calling them devils. But if they said there is no God, I would tell them to get back in their saucer and fly around and take another look, cause they missed him somewhere on the trip.

My reasoning is that the extraterrestrial intelligence question is a "don't ask it or even hint at it" question in the church world. So I wanted to ask it. To me the question doesn't erode the foundations of faith. It affirms them. God is a WHOLE lot bigger than the little box we try to put him in.

[pastorb]

Wat was that cult a few years back, Heavens Gate?

All those kids laid in bunk beds after taking poison and died thinking aliens from heaven were going to come and take them home.

NaNu NaNu

[John Atkinson]

Yes, rather stupid of them that was. But no more so than any cult that demands blind obedience to it's leaders.

[accurate]

Originally posted by pastorb
Wat was that cult a few years back, Heavens Gate?

All those kids laid in bunk beds after taking poison and died thinking aliens from heaven were going to come and take them home.

NaNu NaNu

I actually remember hearing about that. He was an antichrist-person who made people believe he was God. Btw, he was the son of a pentecostal preacher I think, im almost positive but could always be wrong.

Hey Bro Atkinson, I agree with what you said. I'm someone who thinks outside the square, very open minded verses the majority.(update: this isn't against anybody reading this thread, some are just diffrent than others)

As I said about pre-flood earth, they are alien to us considering their could of been 6 to 8 billion people living then. Some scientist have dug up perfect metallic sphere artifacts over 70 ft below the earth that appear to have been made using a machine shop. As far as any of us knows, Noah could of been wearing 3000BC Nike sandals. There is alot we don't know even on earth here.

[John Atkinson]

Yes, the construction of a vessel the size of the ark was impossible at the tech state we think was available back then. Yes God supernaturally empowered Noah to build it, but it may possible that Noah had some of the skills to build on.

There are all kinds of mysterious artifacts that have been dug up that nobody can figure out how they got there and where they come from.

But scientists are like some church folks, challenge their preconcieved notions and they hate you for it. Attempt to question the status quo and you are immediatly discredited and outcast.

[pastorb]

Yeah, I wonder how his jump shot was?

"like Noah, I want to be like Noah":angel:

[nytxn1971]

Originally posted by John Atkinson
Yes, the construction of a vessel the size of the ark was impossible at the tech state we think was available back then.


I'm not so sure about that, John...
Man lived a lot longer back then than we do now. That's a lot more time to learn new things. I believe that we were much more advanced back then than we think we were.

http://www.creationevidence.org/carlbaugh/diss2.htm#996809
Read the heading marked "Artifacts of Ancient Man".
Very interesting stuff.

By the way, that is the web site of the Creation Evidence Museum in Glen Rose, TX. I've been there... lots of cool stuff for science nuts (like myself). The article is a disertaion written by the founder of the Museum, Dr. Carl Baugh. When you have time, check out the whole disertation.

[John Atkinson]

Yes Bro. Ron, I agree, I believe man attained a high level of technical sophistication prior to the flood. There is evidence that the sphinx at giza is MUCH older than originally thought.

I would love to vist that museum.

[nytxn1971]

John,
If you ever get the chance to, I highly recommend it. However, there's a whole bunch of good stuff out there on the web site.
www.creationevidence.org.

They have FOSSIL records of Dinosaur prints, with a man's footprint inside it, as well as a set of human tracks that cross a set of dinosaur tracks, in the fossil record... and that's in the SAME layer of rock.

Lots of great stuff besides that... visit the site when you have a few hours to kill.

[John Atkinson]

I visited there, it is an excellent site. I just got through with the article you recommended. Wild stuff.

[Xerf]

And how about the man UNDER the dino footprint--ancient road kill!

[nytxn1971]

Originally posted by Xerf
And how about the man UNDER the dino footprint--ancient road kill!
Xerf, you're a trip!
LOL
:yeah:

[Adoniyah]

Brother John, you said:

"To me the question doesn't erode the foundations of faith. It affirms them. God is a WHOLE lot bigger than the little box we try to put him in."

To this I give a hearty, "AMEN."

Logically, I cannot conceive of a universe as large as ours, with as many billions of suns (some smaller - some larger) that did not have the ideal conditions for life on some planet with all the carbon, chemistry and conditions as our own.

Having said that, I understand that the presences of all the chemistry does not create nor sustain life. Our earth pulsates on a certain harmonic frequency with LIFE. God is the giver of life. LIfe must be breathed into a dead substance for there to be the possibly of the continual propagation of life.

Today, the earth would be as barren as the moon if God had not breathed life into it from the beginning. This is just my opinion.

Though there cannot be any doubt but that there are many planets in the universe with the proper conditions of life on it, the question in my mind would be, "did the life giver breathe life into it as he did here on the earth?"

If he did, it never the less, would not shake my faith in the least.

These are just my own musings. What do you think?

[John Atkinson]

The thought that life is the result of a cosmic accidental binding of some amino acids is too ludicrous to consider. God did breathe life into the world.

While I do believe in micro-evolution, that species will change over time to adapt to changing environments, which is mostly what Darwin observed in a very limited fashion on the Galapagos island. I view that as something God built into his creatures.

The role of the deciever is to decieve. A job to which he is well suited and talented at. Some he decieves by convincing them that we are the result of some cosmic roll of the dice. Some he decieves by convincing them that the life God breathed is some sort of Gaia-Earth Mother thing, others he decieves by allowing them to believe God created everything, while their minds are blinded to the Gospel.

We don't have to wait for an anti-christ to fool people. There are lying wonders everywhere you look, and everyone but the elect are being decieved. My goal and mission and fervent desire is to be a part of the elect.

All this stuff makes for enjoyable musings, but the bottom line is that God can do whatever he wants, and even the Bible, despite the riches there that no-one can fully uncover in the short span of a human lifetime, barely scratches the surface of the mind of the Lord. It gives us enough insight to make it to heaven, where all manner of things will no doubt be revealed to us.

Imagine that.

[accurate]

Originally posted by John Atkinson
The thought that life is the result of a cosmic accidental binding of some amino acids is too ludicrous to consider.

Yes, the idea that anything happens by accident is too far fetched. I read a story called "Chance World" once, it's about a man that leaves God's creation and goes into chance world, some trees have both apples and oranges, some the oranges are so big the limbs are too heavy. And so on and so on. You may want to read it sometime, its not long.

Originally posted by John Atkinson
While I do believe in micro-evolution, that species will change over time to adapt to changing environments,

I've always wondered about that too, if it didn't happen animals wouldn't be able to live on earth with its unconstant temperature. Earths temperatures have never had a constant.

Originally posted by John Atkinson
We don't have to wait for an anti-christ to fool people. There are lying wonders everywhere you look,


Your right, I agree with everything you said.
Cya later

[Adoniyah]

Originally posted by John Atkinson

"The thought that life is the result of a cosmic accidental binding of some amino acids is too ludicrous to consider."
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I have often wondered how anyone could be so foolish to believe that. Yet, there are many very brilliant men of science that subscribe to that absurd idea.

I once heard that everything that we see about us that we call creation is about as apt to happen as if a Tornado were to rip through junk yard leaving a brand new space shuttle behind complete with all its computers and avionics.

The impossibility of such an eventuality is evident.

[servant]

Bro John,
I always wondered why I was different from the other kids, now I know why....

Serv :)

[tufluv]

Glen Rose, TX, I've heard, also has huge authentic dinosaur tracks in a dinosaur park type attraction, I always had meant to go take my kids there when I lived near there, in Dallas, but somehow, never made it.
Its still a good idea for a vacation spot, I may talk my husband into going there this summer!!:cool: Its not THAT far from us., and a lot closer than going to CT., as it seems unlikely I'll be going even to Washington, D.C. for our Evangelism Conference in early July.
I'm actually quite excited now about going there to Glen Rose, I didn't know about that museum just mentioned, being there.
I was very interested back about 12 years ago in this alien stuff, have seen many tv shows about sightings, and I had my own sighting of UFO's here back then, went to a MUFON meeting once, almost joined that organization, but nixed it.
Saw some very interesting stuff there, copies of reports the government has/had hidden from us concerning many sightings, etc.
Nevertheless, I am more interested in the lost souls here on Earth. As I told my brother, who thinks that GOD may be an "alien" I replied, "well, if you don't know or believe in the real GOD, then he IS "alien" to you!" :confused:
I have my job to do. I'll let others do the investigating and maybe read all about it.

[BroDane]

Hmmm, interesting question, I have settled this question a long time ago.

I was at work at Electric Boat a few years ago when I saw a picture of a man who had a caption above his head..It read All Aliens are really Idiots...signed Alfred E. Neuman.

I agree with ol Al, If the Aliens can travel lights years here and have sofisticated equipment but get caught by us ..then they are really Idiots! :yeah:

[Whosoever Will]

My possible response to this was well thought out years ago.

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. I guess he made them too, since he made EVERYTHING that is.

It would just be another mission field!!!:bow:

[Faithchild]

In Larry Norman's U. F. O. he sang, "If there's life on other planets I'm sure that He must know, He's been there once already and died to save their souls . . ."

[dllong]

Originally posted by Faithchild
In Larry Norman's U. F. O. he sang, "If there's life on other planets I'm sure that He must know, He's been there once already and died to save their souls . . ."


Jesus died ONCE for sin (ehem)

:)

Dave

[dllong]

I never beleived in evolution or extraterrestrials until I saw my neighbor remove his shirt, lay on his stomach to get some sun in his back yard. His back was 100% thick black hair. Several hours later (after he felll asleep), he woke up with crop circles carved in the hair on his back.

NOW I beleive....

Grin

Dave

[nightwatchman]

CROP CIRCLES ,now that's funny!:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[Faithchild]

Dllong, for THIS world! But what about others? What if the same Bible and the same events happened there? "God so loved Jupiter that he gave His only begotten Son, etc." Hmmmmm?

[ddc101]

Look out Look out here come the black nikes and purple shrouds...sis.c

[accurate]

. please delete account

[servant]

What about all these supposed "alien abductions?" Does anyone have any thoughts on this?
How about the gigantic ancient symbols that resemble landing strips found in various parts of the world? It is said that you can only tell what the symbol is if you are quite a ways up in the air, because they are too big to look at all at once from the ground. Did ancient people have flight capability?
Or how about Stonhenge, Easter Island, or the pyramids? Modern engineers and architects are unable to determine exactly how the ancient people made them without the help of modern-day heavy machinery. They pyramids are said to be so precisely fitted together that you couldn't slip a piece of paper between the stones.

God bless,

Serv :)

[tufluv]

I've always wondered the same, I can only conclude that they had to have had help "from above"!

[nightwatchman]

:confused: :confused: :confused: MYSTERIES OF THE WORLD :confused: :confused: :confused:

[mfblume]

I'd be surprised if there was not extra terrestrial life. But I do not believe God would have allowed any of them to come to this world, seeing man would be cut off from it all due to sin, if there were other creatures out there.

I think the UFO idea of aliens is nonsense. Just some government experiments.

[mfblume]

Norman sang, " If there's life on other planets I'm sure that He must know, He's been there once already and died to save their souls . . ."

The bible said over THIS WORLD is where the devil is prince and power of the air.

[John Atkinson]

Originally posted by servant
Or how about Stonhenge, Easter Island, or the pyramids? Modern engineers and architects are unable to determine exactly how the ancient people made them without the help of modern-day heavy machinery. They pyramids are said to be so precisely fitted together that you couldn't slip a piece of paper between the stones.

People are smart, given a problem to solve and enough motivation, they will figure out how to do something eventually. It shouldn't be a suprise that ancient man could build wonders. He had the same brain in his head that we do.

Consider in Genesis, on the construction of the tower of babel, God saw that the people were of one speech, and one mind. God said also that nothing would be witheld from them, that they imagine themselves to do.

Also, here is a frightening thought for you: for the first time since then humanity is almost at that point once agian. Technology is breaking the language barrier. Even now, I could right-click this post and translate it in to what ever language I want and it would be understandable. What about 10 years from now?

I believe the civilization before the flood was technically advanced, I doubt they had electricity, computers and spaceflight, but they may have controlled forces we don't have a clue about.

The clue to that is in the construction of the ark itself. IF those people had the skill level our archeologists suggest, an engineering project as massive as the ark would have been impossible, about the equivalent of the shipwrights of christpher Columbus' time building an aircraft carrier. In fact, the shipwrights who built the Santa Maria, the Pinta and the Nina couldn't have built the ark. Yet we read about it's being built. And almost every culture on earth has a variation of the flood story.

[Blest]

My personal musing: Quite possible that totally different civilizations could exist somewhere else, on a planet, off a planet - who knows? Wouldn't neccessarily have to be 'human' could be something our puny minds cannot comprehend.

Can we begin to comprehend infinity? It's just too big for me to imagine.

Yes, Accurate - Why would such a creative God stop with us?

It's all musings and fantasy, but an entertaining form of mental exercise nonetheless.

In conclusion, what matters to us is what sayeth the Word of God. That's our manual for life on this planet (perhaps IF there are others, they have a different 'manual').

Blest

[servant]

Bro John,

"I believe the civilization before the flood was technically advanced, I doubt they had electricity, computers and spaceflight, but they may have controlled forces we don't have a clue about."

I saw a program about an elderly man who constructed a grotto somewhere in FL I believe it was, using massive stones supposedly without the aid of heavy equipment. Some speculated that he somehow had learned the ancient secrets of manipulating objects using magnetism or other forces of nature. I don't rule out anything until it can be either proven or disproven. If you believe like many creationists that dinosaurs and man lived together at one time, then it's possible that humans could have used the behemoths as beasts of burden (visions of the "Flintstones" here) to haul the material for the ancient wonders and help erect them.

Serv :)

[NanaRenan]

If you believe like many creationists that dinosaurs and man lived together at one time, then it's possible that humans could have used the behemoths as beasts of burden (visions of the "Flintstones" here) to haul the material for the ancient wonders and help erect them.

In doing a Youth Bible Study this was a question that came up that they wanted to discuss.

Our pastor explained a theory we found interesting.

He said that the Earth -- prior to The Flood -- had never experienced rain. There may have been an enormous "bubble" of moisture in the atmosphere that made the Earth like a giant terrarium....constant tropical like temps from one pole to the other. (I don't have his sources recorded, but he said science has found evidence of tropical plants in arctic climes.)

In this perfect world that had existed since Genesis 1, things didn't get sick and die and lived for years and years. Reptiles are unique in that they next stop growing as long as they live. So its possible to imagine that dinosaurs that lived to be hundreds of years old could be enormous.

Anyhow, for the earth to be covered by a flood, that protective barrier fell as rain, thereby forever changing our atmosphere and climates around the world.

Interesting. There was more to it, but I've forgotten some of it.

Any other thoughts?

[BlessedinHim]

Interesting topic. Do I get to fly in a UFO?

Anyhow, there are many theories (biblical) that deal with this subject. I can't remember 1/2 of them. Either way my faith will not change, nor am I looking for angels in a flying saucer to take me to heaven.

Here's some food for thought that keeps me thinking.
First, I'm led to beleive based on the Bible that the Heavens and Earth were created. Heavens being the spiritual dwelling place of the angels. THEN the earth. THEN God created the universe as we see it around the earth. Basically this, HE had a purpose and a plan for the Earth and our physical universe is just the surroundings for us to see God in.

Next point, some have made the comments that the people during Noah's time were very advanced due to long life span. I agree with this. Could it not be possible for them to come up with advanced travel during that time and we are just seeing them checking in? AND what about the sons of god and the daughters of men? There is so much that can be speculated I can't even scratch the surface.

Look at the hieroglyphic records of the ancient civilizations. Many of them that have been somewhat translated have similar stories. First, most all of their callendars end around the same time frame, between 1990 and 2010. They all say that this will be the end of this age and the beginning of a new age. Some records even indicate that these civilizations developed some type of space travel using the power of Ra, the sun god. That they went to Venus. (ancient civilizations being mayans, incas, egyptians, aztecs, etc...)

Just food for thought. I take no particular position because I have no good facts to go by.

[LilOrphanAnnie]

I used to listen to Art Bell a bit- I'm not that gullible any more- But it has been my observation that whenever aliens supposedly have something to say, it always aligns perfectly with New Age thinking and propoganda. It always puts humans as these creatures that need to evolve into advanced beings like themselves, and puts forth a coming "New Age" when we will have contact with these "enlightened" beings, etc, etc, etc. I think the recorded encounters with aliens have either been hoaxes, or demonic manifestations, to try to draw our faith from God and draw us to New Age Junk. I strongly suspect that our culture's current fascination with monsters and aliens and science fiction is the enemy's plan for introducing demons in the last time- demons will be running around in visible form, I believe, and our culture will accept by then as "first contact" or "friendly monsters" or some such. Think, if ET had been around in the 1930's, what child or adult wouldn't have been terrified of it, and rightly so? Ugly unnatural little creature. We are so acclimated now ourselves, we have little perspective.

[Abigail4476]

I used to listen to Art Bell a bit- I'm not that gullible any more- But it has been my observation that whenever aliens supposedly have something to say, it always aligns perfectly with New Age thinking and propoganda. It always puts humans as these creatures that need to evolve into advanced beings like themselves, and puts forth a coming "New Age" when we will have contact with these "enlightened" beings, etc, etc, etc. I think the recorded encounters with aliens have either been hoaxes, or demonic manifestations, to try to draw our faith from God and draw us to New Age Junk. I strongly suspect that our culture's current fascination with monsters and aliens and science fiction is the enemy's plan for introducing demons in the last time- demons will be running around in visible form, I believe, and our culture will accept by then as "first contact" or "friendly monsters" or some such. Think, if ET had been around in the 1930's, what child or adult wouldn't have been terrified of it, and rightly so? Ugly unnatural little creature. We are so acclimated now ourselves, we have little perspective.
Doesn't the Bible record that Ezekiel saw a UFO? :spin:

[jdcord]

Doesn't the Bible record that Ezekiel saw a UFO? :spin:
*LOL*

My aunt used to buy into that theory. She's now certifiable, though. I think that theory was sort of "the beginning of the end", if ya know what I mean. ;)

Seriously, though, I can see how some people would read that into it, but that would mean that angels were really just extraterrestials (since angels are what Ezekiel saw coming down in those supposed "space ships").

[SisEdith]

Bro John hasn't gone wierd, this is, I believe a valid and relevant concern for the Church.

What if? What would it mean to us if definative proof of an extraterrestrial civilization were to come to light.

Please understand, I don't believe the G'vmnt is reverse engineering an alien spacecraft at area 51, for one, us reverse engineering artifacts built by a race with the technology to span the stars would be like Ben Franklin trying to reverse engineer my laptop, he wouldn't get past the plastic on the case.

I have already settled this question in my mind, my faith would stand if we made first contact tomorrow. But I do think it is relevant question to ask.

The US Government has taken it seriously, we the church should at least examine it without fear.

Besides, if folks can spend ten pages discussing MMMMM, um MMMMaaa...... that word, I can ask about aliens.

PS: I have 2 computers that run the SETI at home program http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ as a screensaver processing radio telescope data in search of patterns that would indicate an intelligent species. So far nothing to indicate a sentient race among the stars has been detected. If you are REALLY curious, go to yahoo or google and look up "Fermi's Paradox" It should prove interesting reading on the "Are we alone" question.


I believe that this subject is VERY important to the church. I really don't know how to explain it so that it's understood in the way I would like it to be understood.
I learned while in the new age movement that a group of "beings" a higher intelligence who have "evolved" to a greater height in god after years of reincarnation, who have perfect themselves and reunited with god an "energy force", not the personal Lord God that we know and love. They work independently and are working in the earth with "us" lower life to help save us from ourselves.
There are many writings by Alice Bailey and also the Russian lady Madame Blavatsky..there is a theosophical society. I encourage you to look them up. Alice is a theosophist channeled Dwahl Kul "A Demon" but to them they are benevolent beings leading the world into "enlightenment" ....i.e. Luciferic light. The teaching that are being channeled are ancient babylonian mystery religions and are satanic in their very nature. These teachings ARE sweeping accross the United States as we speak.
http://www.theosophical.org/ . This is also the basis for what the freemasons believe.

So, what am I saying here. I have struggled with this since I came into the Church. Trying to reconsile what I know, and what is happening in the world towards a One World Government. It's all tied in together.

I believe these aliens are demons. I believe that they are walking among us, infilterating our government and changing the very society we live in. The days are evil. I am not saying I understand all of this because I don't. BUT, I do know that something is going on in the spiritual realm with wickedness, and that we need to be aware of it. There is wickedness in high places. Wickedness is shaping and molding the world to accept Antichrist and his system of government which Jesus Christ will crush at his coming.
I believe it is time for the saints to wake up! This is WAR and we must stand up and fight. They are leading the people astray.

This new age stuff is soooooooooo pleasant to the flesh. It is passed of as benevolent but it is NOT. These people are blinded into thinking it is GOD and that it is GOOD. It is Lucifarian!

[LilOrphanAnnie]

I believe that this subject is VERY important to the church. I really don't know how to explain it so that it's understood in the way I would like it to be understood.
I learned while in the new age movement that a group of "beings" a higher intelligence who have "evolved" to a greater height in god after years of reincarnation, who have perfect themselves and reunited with god an "energy force", not the personal Lord God that we know and love. They work independently and are working in the earth with "us" lower life to help save us from ourselves.
There are many writings by Alice Bailey and also the Russian lady Madame Blavatsky..there is a theosophical society. I encourage you to look them up. Alice is a theosophist channeled Dwahl Kul "A Demon" but to them they are benevolent beings leading the world into "enlightenment" ....i.e. Luciferic light. The teaching that are being channeled are ancient babylonian mystery religions and are satanic in their very nature. These teachings ARE sweeping accross the United States as we speak.
http://www.theosophical.org/ . This is also the basis for what the freemasons believe.

So, what am I saying here. I have struggled with this since I came into the Church. Trying to reconsile what I know, and what is happening in the world towards a One World Government. It's all tied in together.

I believe these aliens are demons. I believe that they are walking among us, infilterating our government and changing the very society we live in. The days are evil. I am not saying I understand all of this because I don't. BUT, I do know that something is going on in the spiritual realm with wickedness, and that we need to be aware of it. There is wickedness in high places. Wickedness is shaping and molding the world to accept Antichrist and his system of government which Jesus Christ will crush at his coming.
I believe it is time for the saints to wake up! This is WAR and we must stand up and fight. They are leading the people astray.

This new age stuff is soooooooooo pleasant to the flesh. It is passed of as benevolent but it is NOT. These people are blinded into thinking it is GOD and that it is GOOD. It is Lucifarian!
BINGO, SISTER!!!

[InJesusName]

What about all these supposed "alien abductions?" Does anyone have any thoughts on this?
How about the gigantic ancient symbols that resemble landing strips found in various parts of the world? It is said that you can only tell what the symbol is if you are quite a ways up in the air, because they are too big to look at all at once from the ground. Did ancient people have flight capability?
Or how about Stonhenge, Easter Island, or the pyramids? Modern engineers and architects are unable to determine exactly how the ancient people made them without the help of modern-day heavy machinery. They pyramids are said to be so precisely fitted together that you couldn't slip a piece of paper between the stones.

God bless,

Serv :)

You've seen Stargate SG-1 too many times... :yeah:

[SisEdith]

*LOL*

My aunt used to buy into that theory. She's now certifiable, though. I think that theory was sort of "the beginning of the end", if ya know what I mean. ;)

Seriously, though, I can see how some people would read that into it, but that would mean that angels were really just extraterrestials (since angels are what Ezekiel saw coming down in those supposed "space ships").
Remember the "fallen angels" and they fell prior to the creation of Adam. Evil was in exsistance before we were created.

[NanaRenan]

Either way my faith will not change, nor am I looking for angels in a flying saucer to take me to heaven.
This is just a dream and a coincidence....take it to mean what you will.

There were two little girls, both born in 1924. From two different familys, "Ruby" and "Opal" had more in common than just being named for jewels. As the grew up they were best friends. Ruby's sister married Opal's brother so they were connected for life and share a neice and a nephew.

Because of this connection they were able to keep in contact throughout their lives. In November 2000, Opal spent Thanksgiving week with her two sisters. She woke up the morning after Thanksgiving and told them "I had the most vivid dream last night...it was so real..."

Then she related the dream to them. She dreamed she died and went to Heaven. It was so beautiful and she was so happy to be there and she found her mother and father and many relatives and friends who've gone on before.

Then, suddenly she was in a "helicoptor" leaving Heaven! She started to get upset because she didn't want to leave and just then the helicoptor touched down and the doors open. She looked out and saw Ruby running to board the helicopter. She added, "But she doesn't look like she does now, she was young and beautiful with her long, blonde hair flowing behind her."

Like any of us, the sisters were entertained by the tale and it was forgotten.

The day before, hundreds of miles away, Ruby had stood at the dining room window looking out and said, to the shock of her family, "Doesn't look like I'll be here that much longer." and spent the rest of the day asking where her youngest daughter was. For a 75 y/o woman with diabetes and other health issues, that wouldn't be an especially shocking remark. What made it unusual in Ruby's case is that dementia had been robbing her of her mind at years. And for the past several months she had been unable to form comprehensible sentences....she spoke in what is called "word salad"....everything just tossed together with no clear beginning or end.

For her first complete thought to be "Doesn't look like I'll be here that much longer." was chilling to all who were present.

Sure enough, on the first Saturday in December, Ruby had a massive stroke, followed by several smaller ones. Because of the advanced deterioration her family chose to keep her home and let her pass peacefully. As the month wore on everyone knew it couldn't be long.

On December 29th, the day before Ruby died, her and Opal's nephew came to visit and pray with the family. It was then that he shared the story of the dream. His aunts had told him the story on Christmas day -- the day Opal had died suddenly and unexpectedly.

Now, whether or not there were any "helicoptor"-like conveyances used, we'll never know. But the story was very comforting to Ruby's family -- it gave a sense of calm, like "its okay, Opal got there and found everyone so she can take Mama right to them when she gets there."

I just think its a neat story -- and "I" was one of the ones blessed by it -- for Ruby was my mother. And one thing I know -- whatever things might have transpired in her life -- her faith in God never, EVER waivered. As she lay in a bed those last few weeks, tended by strangers, almost completely unable to communicate, her faith was still evident. She couldn't tell you her name or name her children -- but if you prayed with her, the Spirit of God would well up in her and she would pray long and loud and with such clarity you couldn't believe her mind was so far gone. And if you put old hymns on the CD player, her truly beautiful alto voice would ring with every verse and chorus. The mind and body can fail, but the soul does live on.

[ddc101]

One of the theories Sis.Pam is that the tectonic plates I believe they are called shifted also causing a myriad of water to come up as well as rain to fall.
This is referred to in the bible as the fountains of the deep bursting forth.lv sis.c

[NanaRenan]

One of the theories Sis.Pam is that the tectonic plates I believe they are called shifted also causing a myriad of water to come up as well as rain to fall.
This is referred to in the bible as the fountains of the deep bursting forth.lv sis.c
I had heard that, but had forgotten it.

[jdcord]

Remember the "fallen angels" and they fell prior to the creation of Adam. Evil was in exsistance before we were created.
Yeah, but the angels Ezekiel saw were not the fallen kind, they were heavenly hosts kind.

[SisEdith]

Yeah, but the angels Ezekiel saw were not the fallen kind, they were heavenly hosts kind.
I think the demon, fallen angels are among the heavely host too. They have access, they have not been cast out of heaven yet. Remember Satan went before the throne of God to ask permission to attack Job.

What is the chapter? I want to read this.

[Abigail4476]

I think the demon, fallen angels are among the heavely host too. They have access, they have not been cast out of heaven yet. Remember Satan went before the throne of God to ask permission to attack Job.

What is the chapter? I want to read this.
eh? I thought Satan AND the angels were cast out of heaven?

[SisEdith]

eh? I thought Satan AND the angels were cast out of heaven?
Then how was Satan able to talk to the Lord about Job? They won't be cast out permanently until the war in heaven which is described in Reveleation. I don't think that has happened yet.

[Kerux]

but Jesus said they he beheld satan fall like lightning.... kinda implies that he done got kicked out and landed roughly. :goof:

[jdcord]

I think the demon, fallen angels are among the heavely host too. They have access, they have not been cast out of heaven yet. Remember Satan went before the throne of God to ask permission to attack Job.

What is the chapter? I want to read this.
Read the first few chapters of Ezekiel. The angels in the "space ships" (*L*) are from God, not the evil kind.

[Deonna]

I didn't even read the other posts (sorry! :( ) because it's not something that even interests me. But I wanted to post this so badly: :beammeup:

I believe in Space Aliens ~ John Lent is living proof they exist! :goof: