Death in the Pot

[witness4jesus]

Awhile back, a preacher I know taught on this subject, called "Death In the Pot".

Elisha went to the sons of the prophet, and they were eating
pottage. They threw in some wild gourds with it, not knowing
that those gourds were poisonous.

They told Elisha, there's death in the pot.

Elisha took some meal and threw it in the pot, and it
made the food edible.

The teachings of the denominal world pollute our pot.
We are to eat of the unadulterated word of God, not
that which is polluted by false doctrine, but that which
was taught by the apostles and the prophets. They
all taugtht the same message. One mind.

But centuries of Catholicism, and denominational teachings
have, rather than bringing light to the truth of the Gospel, have

polluted the pot. Only the true word of God, the true Gospel
can neutralize the death that is in that pot.

The word is forever settled from heaven, and while there may be some of the word in the meal that is given by trinitarian preachers, there is death in their pot. They have polluted the bread on their table with wild gourds, doctrines of devils. To eat of their table brings death.

The preacher is not above the word of God, but the messenger
does matter. Paul said, give this word to faithful men.

It does matter who is preaching. We are One God Apostolic believers in Jesus Christ filled with the power of the Holy Ghost. Trinitarians continue to resist the truth, continue to resist the power of God, continue to call us heretics. There is nothing profitable in their doctrine, but there is death. It is sad that there are people who think a One God believer can learn from those who dont know the truth. :(

sis pam

The first commandment is: Thou shalt have no other Gods before me.

[Thelordisone]

sis pam,

Amen!!

I am overjoyed when men of God bring annointed msgs from the OT. They are awesome!!

Especially, your comment about having NON-ONENESS trying to teach Acts 2:38 believers.

The truth is we know what to do. Just that it means to sacrifice self and not many are too enthused by that.

God Bless You!!

[stmatthew]

As I said in another thread,

Please turn in your King James version of the bible. as it is not a literal translation. Trinitarians interpreted the hewrew and greek to produce our bible.

[witness4jesus]

Not interpreted, Matthew. Translated. There is a difference.
Just as the Jewish priests translate the Hebrew OT into the
Greek Septuagint.

All they did was take the scripture and put it into English.

I have no problem reading the KJV. I do have a problem
listening to someone talk about Jesus who doesn't even
know who He is.

Pam

[stmatthew]

Witness,

The King James version is not a "word for word" translation. It is based on the interpretation of what these lost trinitarian translators thought the greek meant.

[Xerf]

“So they poured out for the men to eat. And it came to pass, as they were eating of the pottage, that they cried out, and said, O thou man of God, there is death in the pot. And they could not eat thereof.”

As soon as someone took up a taste, they realized that was poisonous herbs in the pot. He called out “Death is in the pot.”
Several lessons can be learned from this passage.

He did not keep the danger to himself. He told the right person. He could have just not eaten. But he cared enough to warn others.

He was alert to the danger. The enemy tries to poison the minds of people about such doctrines like the doctrine of Jesus Christ. We have seen and heard of the news commentaries on His life. They try to explain His deity in a trinitarian mindset.

Many believers do not know the difference between the food of the Word of God and the poison. They need to read:

Acts. 17:11
“These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.”

[nightwatchman]

One of the most dedicated oneness missionaries by the name of BILL DROST while in Enland,went to see a Trinitarian by the name of SMITH WIGGLESWORTH .Smith prayed over Bro. Drost in tongues and then interpreted the message. You will go to Colombia to preach the gospel,you face devils you never faced before. Be not afraid I will be with you.And that's exactly what happen.

[Xerf]

May have been a bit like Paul's experince:

Act 16:16 And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying:
Act 16:17 The same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation.

It was true that they were servants of the most high God and they were showing the way of salvation.

Act 16:18 And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour.

[Adoniyah]

Xerf:

So help me to understand this...

If a trinitarian preacher, full of the Holy Ghost, prophesies over a man of God and it comes to pass...it was the devil all along???

Witness, you said:

"All they did was take the scripture and put it into English."

My ans:

There are times that you all say that you do not read or study history, other times you all cite history. I do not know what to believe.

However, it would not hurt, but rather it would be good to study a little history before you make unfounded historical statements.

The facts of history are that there were many translations of the Bible before King James hired his Trinitarian translators to translate it in harmony with their trinitarian scholarship.

Ever hear of John Wycliffe, William Tyndale, Miles Coverdale and many others who put the Bible into English long before good ol' King James and his gang of trinitarians.

However, inspite of that, the good ol' King James Version is the only translation for me. It is what I am used to.

[witness4jesus]

I have a college degree in history, Adoniyah.
I have heard of Tyndale, Wycliffe and others, and i know that
a lot of bloodshed went into the making of the KJV. The fact that generations of Englishmen worked to translate it, and the fact that Tyndale and the others had a degree of scholarship in the ancient languages unheard of today tells me that it is more scholarship than interpretation.

They were translators par excellence.

I also know, few people come against any other Bible like they do the KJV.

If they had intended to interpret it from a trinnie slant, they certainly could have done a better job considering the genius that went into the making of that book. The KJV has a common phraseology that makes it easy to concordance. The word usage is very limited compared to any other book of that length or scope. Which tells me they did not put a lot of their own interpretation. There isn't the extensive theological mumbo-jumbo that you find elsewhere. why is that, if they were attempting to slant it their direction?

No, I believe the KJV is the purest translation of any other Bible.

It is the best One God book there is.

in Jesus name

sis pam

[Xerf]

Baalim prophesied beautifully (simliar to Isaiah, some say) and all the time he was in disobedience of God--go figure!

[searching]

Balaam might have prophesied while disobeying, but his donkey talked while being beaten! I can't imagine beating an animal so hard that it will speak your language! LOL!!

Me...

[Xerf]

Baalim's donkey speaking in a man's voice is not the amazing thing in that story--the truly amazing thing is that Baalim talked back to the donkey as if nothing were unusual!!!!!

Baalim was one messed up guy!

[Sandy]

Yes, but what is so very sad, is you know God spoke thru even that dumb beast, but yet He cannot speak thru a Trinitarian or reveal truths to them?

Do some of you really hate them that much because they persecute you, or have done so in the past? I ask because it is certainly appearing this may be true because of some of the things that are said about them that really has nothing to do with doctrinal error or truth at all, but may be an underlying problem that needs to come to the light so it can be repented of. If you are a light to the world, you are to be a light to them as well, no matter how much they persecute you. That cup just comes with the territory.

[Adoniyah]

Sandy:

I think that you may have hit on something with your use of the word "hate" in your last post above.

"Hate" is the only word that I can think of that would explain such vitrolic attitude toward trinitarians regardless if they have the Holy Ghost or not. I have been greatly puzzled and perplexed by this attitude.

I had first thought that it was merely a dogmatic, sectarian religious spirit that prompted some of the things that have been said. I am now beginning to believe that it is deeper and more deep seated that just that.

Sandy, you are exactly right. God has indeed revealed great truths to many trinitarians. I have gleaned many things from books that they have written. God does in fact speak to them. They have prophesied rightly by the Holy 'Ghost. To say otherwise is only indicative of the depths of ignorance.

Now, because I make statements like this last one, they accuse me of being a trinitarian and having fellowship with them. But that is ok, I don't mind. I just want to keep my spirit sweet.

Yet, I also recognize that the trinitarian doctrine itself is the grand abomination which will, given time among a people that hold to it, pollute the whole. As Jesus said, "...a little leaven, leaveneth the whole lump."

What ever happened to just a pure old intelligent, common sense balance.

Xerf:

You did not answser the question:

"If a trinitarian preacher, full of the Holy Ghost, prophesies over a man of God and it comes to pass...it was the devil all along???"

You cited the instance of Balaam and then said go figure.

So, I went and figured. In all my figuring, I could not find that the devil made bad ol' Balaam to prophesy falsely. In fact, everytime Balaam wanted to prophesy against the children of Israel, he blessed them each time he opened his mouth.

Now that I went and figured, please answer the question. Here it is again:

"If a trinitarian preacher, full of the Holy Ghost, prophesies over a man of God and it comes to pass...it was the devil all along???"

Witness:

From the things that you say, I would never be convinced that you have a degree in History.

Here is what you said, which I said that was error of history:

"All they did was take the scripture and put it into English."

I then came back and pointed out to you that this was a historical error seeing that it was not King James and his gang of trinitarians that put the Bible into the English language but rather many others before King Jim, notably, Wycliffe, Tyndale, Coverdale and others.

You merely stated that the KJV was the purest. You may be right about that. I have no way of knowing since I am neither a Greek or a Hebrew scholar, neither have I studied those earlier English versions. Since you have judged that KJV is the purest, you have obviously studied the 'Wycliffe, Tyndale and Coverdale versions and have made your conclusions in light of the Hebrew and Greek. I am higly impressed.

Would you admit that you were wrong? Not by the hair of your chinny-chin-chin. It is the same attitude you take in regards to scripture: You just cannot be wrong. You could not be humbled so much as to admit that you are wrong.

I find that attitude the grossest kind of blindness... a hard, hard spirit.

[truemessianic]

The Bible says that the devils even believe in One God, and fear. I agree that we cannot learn a thing from the trinity people. Y'all are indeed right about that. They are in error. But, they learn from us. The various doctrines that some have in common with us, they probably learned from us, the Apostolics. I know of trinity people who baptize in the name of Jesus Christ, who believe in the necessity of the Holy Ghost, who believe in holiness with stricter standards than Apostolics. You know what, they probably learned it from Oneness folks, and read for themselves in the Word, finding the truth about certain subjects. Also, the Bible is so clear about certain things that some folks cannot help but believe the truth.
Should we have a hard spirit towards those who are not inside the truth? Absolutely not. Infact, we should love them, and show them the love of God unconditionally. We should present them the truth through scripture.
As for the death in the pot, I believe there are several messages you can get from this scripture, not the least of which being when false doctrine is found in the Church, the Lord comes and adds some real meal to it to heal the food once again.

[Adoniyah]

Brother Price, you said:

"I agree that we cannot learn a thing from the trinity people. Y'all are indeed right about that. They are in error. But, they learn from us."

My response:

I can testify that I, as an individual, have learned many wonderful things from others that hold trinity beliefs. Every young preacher that have attended Bible Colleges have text books written by trinitarians by which they have been taught truths, ignoring trinity references. Whatever happened to common sense? Have we become so steeped in secularism?

That is not to say that which is true was not learned from some Apostolic somewhere or at sometime. I have no way of knowing. I doubt very seriously that John Wesley learned the doctrine of holiness and separation from the world from an Apostolic, nor did A.B. Simpson and John Alexander Dowie learn the doctrine of divine healing from an Apostolic.

I hope that in your saying that they are right in their statement, that you are not saying that many Holy Ghost filled trinitarians do not hold some wonderful truths which we also hold??? I would be very disappointed in that estimation.

There are many wondeful spiritual truths found in II KIngs 4:38-41, not the least is in our understanding certain principles that precipitated the dearth in the land which precipitated the gathering of wild gords which were added to the pot.

When people are starving because of dearth and famine, they will sometimes attempt to eat anything to satisfy their hunger which brings about a quicker death than thant of the famine.

We as Apostolics should not fail in regards to the porincples that would bring about dearth and famine, which famine is not of food and drink but of hearing of the Word.

Any kind of false doctrine, not just trinity, thrown in the pot will have the eventual effect of spoiling the pot. That is why I refuse the doctrine of "no future literal return of Jesus" and the resurrection is past history since the Holy Ghost came 2000 years ago." It is death in the pot.

Brother Price, since you are a Preterist, do you also believe that Jesus will not literally return to the earth, and that the resurrection is a past event with the advent of the Holy Ghost?

If everyone on this board is ready to believe that false doctrine, if everyone here is willing to believe, as Witness and Apostle, that the Holy Ghost filled trinitarians are prophesying by the devil, they hear only the devil, they do their works by the devil, they speak by the devil. I would have to say, that those who call themselves Apostolic are in greater darkness than the trinitarians. It can only be classified as extreme ignorance. That is not a flame, this is my honest estimation.

I have, in my travels seen both encouraging trends and also some distrubing trends in Apostolic circles. Here, I see some distrubing trends. Let us divorce ourselves from partisan spirits and spiritual elitism. The truth is, we would neither know our left hand from our right if God had not given us the ability to know. We have NOTHING of which we can boast. We should fear. All that we have has been bestowed upon by the benovolence of divine favor.

The churches that I have observed in my travels, that have these extreme partisan, elitism attitudes, are little old dried up churches with very few in attendance with only an outward show. They cannot win souls because it does not take long for a rank sinner to detect that foul odor of spiritual snobishness. That sinner would rather return to his bar stool than to sit on such a church pew. The sad thing is, those same "holier than everybody else" attitudes are so miseably blind that they cannot recognize their own wretched condition.

[ThirdGeneration]

Adoniyah- Wow. Such a profound post. "Let us divorce ourselves from partisan spirits and spritual elitism." Your post is saturated with so much wisdom. If only, all could hear....

[tufluv]

ST.MATT:
Trinitarians interpreted the hewrew and greek to produce our bible.

ME:
Interpreted may be right, no matter what language it is translated into, the WORD in acts2:38 is always (don't know why) mis-interpreted by these trini's!! as in :What part of:
"..be ye baptized everyone one of you in the name of JESUS. CHRIST for the remission of sins..." don't they understand?!!
:confused:
This continues to boggle my mind? They are stuck of Matt.28:19!
So if something that simple, common-sensical "escapes" their mind, eyes, ears....how can they be able to receive other profound word/truths from GOD, when they've missed the most obvious! Yet I have taken some meat of their writings, and tossed the bones, I like the inspirational, devotional type things.

THAT is what some of us may have against them, IF in fact, some of us do...I do not HATE them, for that would be to HATE myself of the past, and although sometimes I do hate the ME of the past, for being so blind, I realize it was my own fault for not "searching the scriptures". It is every single soul's obligation to do this for themselves...PERIOD.
Too many people lean too heavily on other's for spoon-fed gospel, never questioning, just eat, drink, and be merry! sing them 'ole gospel favorites! Dress however you please. Do whatever you please, after all...Matt.28:19 is the beginning and end, for these trini's...(I should know). :cry:

Thats just part of the way it is for them..I listen to TBN sometimes, since that is all there is...and I'm appalled (although some of the music I enjoy, note "some")...now they're talking about setting up tv stations over in Iraq and beyond, since they've already reached so many nations!! GOD HELP those people, if they're hungry and thirsty for the WORD, they will be more than ready to be spoon-fed this false doctrine, not knowing that there is death in that pot. THAT WORRIES ME, yet since GOD IS IN CONTROL, HE may or may not have something in the works for at least some of those folks., "for many are called, but few are chosen".
BUT, Where are the Apostolics?-oh! some of them can be found hangin around the GNC, DEBATING....yeah, I know I'm here as well, but we ALL should be over there, or at the very least on our knees praying for those souls, I am doing that much at least, and also working on the souls in our own missionary field, our neighborhoods! I would though, like to find some other way I can help out whatever missionary plans may be in mind for those over there...Hmmm?
:idea:

[light]

[i]Originally posted by Adoniyah
The churches that I have observed in my travels, that have these extreme partisan, elitism attitudes, are little old dried up churches with very few in attendance with only an outward show. They cannot win souls because it does not take long for a rank sinner to detect that foul odor of spiritual snobishness. That sinner would rather return to his bar stool than to sit on such a church pew. The sad thing is, those same "holier than everybody else" attitudes are so miseably blind that they cannot recognize their own wretched condition.

Boy what a statement to make about those that refuse to allow false doctrine in their pulpits.I guess according to the above you have to love these people with all there trash doctrine. If you don't you are called spiritual snobbs. If it takes a love for and allowing these people to preach, sing, or even studying the trash that they write, to have a large church, then count me out. They are as Jesus said children of hell.

[Mat 23:13] But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

[Mat 23:14] Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.

[Mat 23:15] Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

Jesus was very plain and blunt with his words to the scribes and Pharisees. He left nothing to doubt, no grey area!
First he called them hypocrites, then he called them
a child of hell and those they converted two times the child of hell.
Why did he call them this? Because the were teaching against the truth that Jesus came to preach. Jesus was very plain those that teach against the truth are children of HELL.

[Sandy]

And I will second your Wow, and amen to what Adoniyah has written in the above.

Adoniyah, there are those that also have attempted to link me with the Trinitarians too, because of what I say here. But I am not Trinitarian. In fact I don't claim to be anything except a saved by the wonderful grace of God, bonifide follower of Jesus Christ. Why should I call myself anything else?

But I am very saddened by what I see so many doing here, because they need our unabiding love, not hatred and animosity, just as much as the Jews needed the love of those that began in the beginning so long ago, and still do today. Because they are essentially in the same shoes indirectly that those were back then. They believe, but are deceived. Cannot you people see this.

And many of you need to take a long hard look at what the fruits of love are I sincerely believe, examaming your own heart. Love never consists of compromising Gods Word either. But it does consist of long suffering and many other things written in 1st Cor. chapter 13 for the lost, which includes the Trinitarian. Our lives are supposed to be devoted to bringing others to Christ, no matter what kind of title you have. But you are not going to bring anyone to Christ by complaining about things of the past, nor are you going to bring them to Christ by not being long suffering either. Which by the way seems to be one of the things that brings about our obedience to begin with according to what I read in Heb. 5:8. What will bring them to the truth is being consistent in sharing the Word with them in love, praying for them, and allowing God to do his part in drawing them into the truth, and trusting in the Lord to do so. But you first of all have to believe God will answer your prayers, and do just that, their able to hear the call of the Lord just as much as you did once obviously. But that does not include walking up to someone and suddenly telling them they are going to hell in a hand basket either, whether they are Trinitarian, Twinitarian or nothing. In fact, that always gets the opposite reaction from the man in the world that is serving his flesh to begin with. Because none of us, Christian or otherwise, enjoys being told they are wrong. But the one that belongs to the Lord will bear it anyway, because He has determined in their heart to take up their cross, losing their own life, for His.

I have to tell you that the majority of people in this country at least, are Trinitarians. And it is going to be these people that 8 out of 10 times you are going to be witnessing to if you are doing so. Because in this country, you ask if someone is a Christian, and most likely 8 out of 10 will tell you yes, not realizing that they are not. And just as in Jesus day, the majority today are Trinitarian believers, whether they have received the Holy Ghost or have not, but are denominal church goers. The churches are full of them. If you do not believe me, look around.

And Adoniyah, yes, I have seen hatred coming forth from many for a long long time now toward the Trinitarians. I believe it most likely stems from some kind of spirit that crept in ever so long ago during the days of the Crusades when so many were martyred. Of course, that is just a guess on my part, as I am not a Historian at all. But hate and animosity and roots of bitterness that is usually brought forth by a spirit of pride to begin with, is never right in the eyes of the Lord, whether you are right or not. Because if anything will cause someone to fall away, those will do it every time. And the truth is, if we do not think we have any flesh left to bring forth any sin because of where you are seated, then you need to think again, and read what it says considering that you are already in trouble. Which is really what John was talking about to begin with in 1st John 1:8-10. But for those that walk in the light and repent, He will cleanse us of all unrighteousness. But it is a daily thing.

I have participated on a forum where people there believe they have already arrived. And the truth is, they have not even begun, let alone arrived, but are greatly decieved by the spirit of pride that abides in them, which is one of the greatest sins of all.
And if you do not believe it dwells in our flesh, then you are sadly mistaken, because it does. For it is the ultimate results of the fall, and is within everyones flesh. And the only way it can be put under is by the Lord. Otherwise, it will cause us to fall

So I implore you, please pray for the love of God to take over in your life, for all the lost, and not just some. Because it is His love taking over that will cleanse us from all bitterness towards others that do persecute us to begin with, no matter whether they are believers like us, within the family of God or not.

[witness4jesus]

Sandy, it is wrong for people to presume that just because I abide by the truth that I hate trinitarians. Nothing could be further from the truth.

We had a lady come to our church, a Russian lady who had been a missionary. She heard the wonderful truth of One God and Jesus name. But she resisted it. She said, these only create divisions. Well, she is correct. God divides truth from untruth.

I reached out to this lady with everything I had, but the one thing I would not give on was that she needed what we have. And I realize that there are people who believe you can be in trinity and have the Holy Ghost, but I dont. I dont believe the same spirit resides in them that reside in me. But I also dont believe it would do anyone any good if they didnt have the name.

Consequently, she stopped coming to our church. She felt she had what she needed.

And as long as there are people to rush to the trinnies with open arms and allow them to believe they have something we need , then they will not change.

I am complete in Jesus Christ. There is nothing a three-god believer has that I need.

sis pam

[Xerf]

I am at a loss as to why some of you are calling foul! The subject of this thread was "death in the pot" and I see where individuals have expressed how false doctrine is poison and some seem to think that is hatered? Clue me in--IS false doctrine deadly or not? I see nothing of anyone saying they hate trinitarians except in the comments of some that persume to put words in the posters mouths (or posts as in this instance).
Seems some people are against nothing but those that chose to stand for something.

[tufluv]

AMEN!

[Sandy]

Witness, I named no names in my post. But only have said that I see what I believe to be a problem within many. If it is not with you, then Praise the Lord. Stay that way, walking in the love of God whether being persecuted or not, not allowing bitterness of heart it to creep in.

Xerf, nobody is saying we should not hate false doctrine. I am saying we should not hate those that are decieved, walking in it for any reason. Obviously you are not reading what is being said, or else you could think of nothing else to respond to justify yourself.

I am also saying, as I understand Adoniyah to be saying as well, that God does fill others with the Holy Ghost today, in the same way He filled the house of Cornelius yesterday, before they have ever been baptized in His name. And just because they do not have a Peter around to baptize them does not mean this is not possible today as well. And therefore, many things they do teach are coming from that said Holy Ghost that dwells within them as well, along with prophecy. And to say otherwise, is to deny the Word that is written in Acts chapter 10 regarding this, not to mention that this same Word also says, God has poured out His Spirit on all flesh that is willing to reach out and receive it, whether in right doctrine entirely or not evidently.

[stmatthew]

Xerf,

I believe the contention is that some feel this whole thread was started because some have an agenda against anything a trinitarian preaches. While I am not a lover of the trinity doctrine itself, there are things that trinity preachers teach that are true. Healing, Faith, Gifts of the Spirit, Holy Ghost Baptism, Love, Humility, etc... I recently read a book on fasting by a trinity author. I found no reference to the trinity doctrine inside. It strictly dealt with the ins and outs of fasting. It was very plain and also in accordance with scripture. Some seem to be saying that because the author is trinity, the whole book was defiled. I disagree.

Cornelius was called by the bible a devote man even before he received truth. At the time the angel came to him, we can assume he was living under the Law, which to Paul would be another gospel. Yet God saw his dedication and sent more light. Since he was not saved before Peters visit, does that mean that all his works were defiled?? Not according to God, for his works came up before God as a memorial. God did not condemn his good works just because he wasn't saved.

Appolos was "mighty in scriptures", yet he was not saved. It can be assumed that he too lived according to the Law. His message was a false one, because it could not bring salvation. The bible says he was "fervent in the spirit, and he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord". WOW!!!! He was lost, knowing only the baptism of John, yet he could teach the things of the Lord!

[Sandy]

amen brother. Never thought of the fact that these people apparently belonged to the Lord even before they began to follow Jesus all the way, knowing some truth even before. What an excellent example of where so many are today. Thanks for sharing that.

[stmatthew]

Witness,

And I realize that there are people who believe you can be in trinity and have the Holy Ghost, but I dont. I dont believe the same spirit resides in them that reside in me.

Are you saying that GT Haywood, Howard Goss, Charles Parham, Glenn Cooke, William Seymour, and all the others at the begining of the 1900's, did not receive the same Holy Ghost you did, because they were trinity???

[Xerf]

Appears that some want to decide for me what I am saying. I fully acknowledge that God can use anyone He chooses to advance His kingdom anyway He wants BUT HE will NEVER anoint a false doctrine. And if and when a trintarian speaks excerpts of truth it does not mean that God sanctions ALL that they speak. No hatered and no justification done here only saying that what is not truth is a lie. You have a problem with that?

[stmatthew]

Xerf,

Not at all. I am in 100% agreement with your statement. My post was only my explaination to you of what it seems others are trying to say. namely that if it comes out of a trinitarians mouth, it is defiled. No matter weather it is correct or not.

[witness4jesus]

Matthew:

I never said a person who has believed in trinity cannot receive
the Holy Ghost. God will give them the Holy Ghost to bring them
out of darkness. Everyone wants to point to Azusa Street.

Why can't you point to what happened in the book of acts?

Cornelious believed in One God. Apollos believed in one God.
Neither man was an idolater. But God brought Abraham out
of Ur. If Abraham had stayed in Ur, guess what? NO COVENANT.
If Moses had stayed in Egypt. Guess what? NO COVENANT.

You cannot stay in a spiritually corrupt environment and have
covenant with God.

Pam

[Adoniyah]

Xerf, you said:

"Appears that some want to decide for me what I am saying."

I got a good chuckle out of that one, brother. Don't feel like the Lone Ranger. If I didn't have words put in my mouth from time to time, I would feel shunned....hehehehe :)

you also said:

"I fully acknowledge that God can use anyone He chooses to advance His kingdom anyway He wants BUT HE will NEVER anoint a false doctrine. And if and when a trintarian speaks excerpts of truth it does not mean that God sanctions ALL that they speak"

AMEN! We can ALL agree on that point. There is no truth in a lie. Trinity doctrine is a lie. Anything that appears to be an anointing in the trinity doctrine or the preaching of trinity is only a "lying sign."

Sister Sandy:

Your two posts above were very sweet mingled with an awful lot of wisdom. I will not seek to justify myself, I have one that does that for me, but certainly I recognize that I have been wrong many times before.

I once swollowed the "Annihilation" docrtrine hook line and sinker, after having read a book written by Theodore Fitch, an Apostolic preacher from Council Bluffs, Iowa. The presence and the anointing of the Lord gradually left me, but I was too blind to know it.

Nothing that my Pastor, parents, friends and saints could say to me would make me change my mind. I felt that I had come into some "greater" truths.

How it is that the Lord, by his mercies spared me, and led me back to the truth is a long story, but praise God he showed his love and mercy to me. After I renounced that awful doctrine, the presence of the Lord returned to me in a marvelous and precious manner. I have determined not to make that terrible mistake again.

This is why that I appear to be alarmed at some of you some time. I do not want to see you go down that awful road. You may never be able to return. I mean no malice toward any, but I see terrible danger in spirits that claim to be so elite, having received so great revelations that set themselves so far apart from everyone else.

To claim as Witness did in this statement:

"And I realize that there are people who believe you can be in trinity and have the Holy Ghost, but I dont. I dont believe the same spirit resides in them that reside in me."

is so alarming as to leave me speechless. This is not the spirit of Christ that would utter such a thing.

I once thought it was just ignorance and I was bold enough to say that it was simply ignorance. However, I was wrong. I am beginning to see that it is much more than just ignorance. It is a spirit.

[witness4jesus]

Whatever you say, Adoniyah.

It leaves me speechless to hear people say I need to to go and buy truth from a trinity person. It leaves me speechless to hear people say that I can learn truth from someone who is in untruth. I dont see that anywhere in the Bible. Where in the Bible did anyone learn from someone who was in untruth?

Where does Jesus say, go and buy truth from an idolater?

Why must the Church of the living God, the general assembly, the church of the firstborn, go to someone who has corrupted the doctrine of truth to get anything? Either we are complete in Jesus, or we are not. Either He has given us everything we need in the Holy Ghost, or He has not. But then, maybe some are not complete without those that have a spirit of error.

There is a spirit of error and a spirit of truth. Which are the trinitarians. But then, maybe some here do share the same spirit as those who are in error. I have the Holy Ghost. That doesn't mean I know everything. But I would rather know nothing than to know the lie that there are three that sit on the throne of heaven.

sis pam

[Sandy]

Adoniyah, Witness seeminly contradicted herself by the following statement written above, compared to the one you copied which says,

I never said a person who has believed in trinity cannot receive
the Holy Ghost. God will give them the Holy Ghost to bring them
out of darkness.

I am curious as to which you believe now witness. They either can or they cannot, one of the two.

And also, if you believe they can receive, just how long do you think He is going to stay there if they do not come out of darkness?

This is very serious to say that one cannot have the Holy Ghost, yet not be baptized into Jesus Christ Witness. Because essentially you are telling me what I received years ago shortly after repenting was another spirit. And since it is the same Spirit that dwells within me now that did then, you are essentially telling me I do not have the Spirit of God. Yes indirectly, but none the less, that is what it amounts to. Not only are you saying this to me either, but everyone else that may have received previously as well. Which to me is a very serious statement to make to another. Because it is a statement that is entirely untrue. Not just because I say so either, but according to the Word of God, therefore God saying so as well. I want you to know, I am not offended by what you believe either. But simply trying to point out to you that I believe you really need to rethink your position on this, because of believing it is wrong.

Also, I want to share that I would not be so quick to give up on that lady that attended your fellowship either Witness. As she just may have been there for that time for you to water what God may bring about later. So often we think because something does not happen immediately, that it is never going to. But you know what? That is simply not true. And I am proof of it. For it took the Lord a good 13 years to show me the true way finally.

Let me describe something in the phsical realm that I see must take place in the spiritual regarding those that have been taught wrong doctrine, believing it from the heart. Just go out into your yard and attempt to pull up a tree that began as a seedling that is only even a couple of years old, and see how hard it is, and how long it takes you to get it out. Then look at those roots as being the bad that people are taught and have believed in their hearts. And consider that it takes the Lord to begin to pull them out too, and often one by one. I think you get the pic. Which is why our being long suffering with some is so very important.

God did have that lady there for a purpose obviously. And as I said before, it just may have been for you all to do some plowing and even watering so that someone else can reap the benefits of what you have done. So pray for her instead, asking the Lord to pull down those strongholds of lies in her life in faith. And He will do so. Maybe not in your timing, but He will do so in HIs. So that she one day can make a choice seeing instead of being blind, I really believe. But just don't give up, throwing them to the wolves because they do not come when you think they should.

I thank God He didn't give up on me.

[witness4jesus]

Sandy, all I know is what the Bible says. I am not going to judge truth by any person's experience. People have asked me to do that before, and it just doesn't go anywhere. There are women preachers, and it appears God blesses them, but nowhere in the Bible is there a woman preacher. Which am I going to believe, experience, or the Bible?

The Bible shows salvation coming from truth. It doesn't show salvation coming from untruth. I believe that when the people at Azusa Street got the revelation of One God and baptism in the name of Jesus, some, like Paul, continued unto salvation. Some did not.

I have not contradicted myself. Obviously, a sinner can receive the Holy Ghost, otherwise, no one would be saved. What I dont believe is those who say they have received, yet continue in lies.
What I dont believe is that someone can receive the Spirit of God through listening to a man preach that doesn't have the truth to give. What I do believe is what the Bible says, that God will see in the darkness those who are His and bring them out, and clothe them. That those who do receive the Holy Ghost have seen the light. How can you receive light from darkness?

I am just going by the Bible, nothing more, nothing less. I am not going to judge by miracles and wonders and signs, but by the word of God.

sis pam

[witness4jesus]

BTW, I did not throw anyone to the wolves.
She left. I also, am no longer in that fellowship.
If God puts her in my path again, I will do what
I did then, give her the truth, and nothing else.

sis pam

[Adoniyah]

Witness, you said:

"And as long as there are people to rush to the trinnies with open arms and allow them to believe they have something we need , then they will not change."

My ans:

There is no reason for us to do that. We have all the truth that they have, and besides, we have the truth of the revelation of Jesus and the understanding of the plan of salvation.

You also said:

"It leaves me speechless to hear people say I need to to go and buy truth from a trinity person."

my ans:

That would leave me speechless also. That would be terrible adivce, in the absence of someone with the full truth.

You also said:

"Where in the Bible did anyone learn from someone who was in untruth"

I know of no place in the Bible that would preclude one from learning certain truths from someone with less than perfect knowledge of every single thing. I know that you and apostle believe that you all have arrived to that exalted place seeing that apostle said that EVERY word in the Bible is a salvation issue. Since EVERY word in the Bible is a salvation issue, you have already ARRIVED and there is nothing, no, not even one single word in the scriptures that you all can be perfected in.

No wonder you and apostle express such contempt from time to time calling me a defender of the trinnies and having fellowship with them. Actually, I would much rather fellowship someone with a trinitarian with a sweet Christlike spirit than with someone with a hard, elitist spirit who calls them Apostlic. Why? You can deal with error in the presence of love, but you cannot in the presence of a hard elistist spirit.

I once knew a man in Jayess Mississippi who was so very holy that he would not even fellowship with other congregations that that allowed their congregation to drink cokes and if the women's dresses did not drag out their tracks. They were so righteous and holy that you could smell them coming from a country mile.

Today, that preacher is in prison for a number of crimes, including child molestation. It turned out that he was a thief, fraud, and a sodomite. He had that same hard, unyielding, "I am right and everyone else is wrong" spirit.

Dear heavens, I've been wrong so many times, that I've learned to be very, very careful before I become dogmatic on any matter, even then, it is in the back of my mind that I could be wrong, still. I know that this may sound like a contradiction judging by some of the past dialog that brother Blume and I have had.

You also said:

"What I dont believe is that someone can receive the Spirit of God through listening to a man preach that doesn't have the truth to give. "

My ans:

Here again, you reinterate your former statement which says:

"What I dont believe is that someone can receive the Spirit of God through listening to a man preach that doesn't have the truth to give."

You have reinforced your belief that one can no receive the Holy Ghost from hearing the truth of the Holy Ghost baptism from a trinitarian preacher. Nor can a trinnie have the Holy Ghost at all.

Question: Why don't we just shoot them all?

My attitude is, if God is good enough to give them the HOly Ghost, who am I to make such harsh judgment concerning their baptism of the Spirit, claiming that they are of the devil?

You also said:

" What I do believe is what the Bible says, that God will see in the darkness those who are His and bring them out, and clothe them."

Sounds like a good dose of "predestination" thrown into the pot.

Sandy:

I like what you said above. It was filled with love and wisdom.

There is poision in the pot. Apostolics had no business of putting it in there. But, that is what happened in the beginning. In the beginning there was nothing but a one God, Jesus name, filled with the Holy Ghost church from Pentecost. There was no trinitarian doctrine or churches. Yet, something happened.

What was it? It was the Apostolics of the early church that threw poision in the pot. Many heresies came in among them as Apostle Paul said would come, not sparing the flock. We have the same conditon today among those that call themselves Apostolics We have no problem with Trinitarians, we see that error quite well. We well see that devil quite well. Therefore we are not going to be fooled there. But, let us be wise and watch out for the poison that the Apostolics (so called) would throw into the pot. There is the REAL danger.

[witness4jesus]

I have no desire to shoot trinitarians. But neither
am I going to treat them as anything less than lost. They
are lost and need Jesus.

You say a sweet Christlike spirit. Christ was not always
sweet, Adoniyah. He hated every false way.

I hate every false way. I hate trinitarianism. I know that
there is a difference that Christ set between myself and
them in the mark He put upon me when He baptized me
in His precious name. I dont hate people, I just know
the difference. I am able to discern the body of Christ
from something that is not of the body. I dont have
fellowship with those who dont believe in Jesus name.
I would reach out to them, but I am not there to learn
of them. They need what I have to offer. Not that I
am anything. But they need what God has given me.
They need what God has given everything One God
Apostolic believer.

When you lift up the teachings of those who are outside
the body of Christ, you are justifying them. And they
dont have the truth. Their bread is corrupted.

Adoniyah, I understand what you are trying to do. You
are trying to lift up the word. But what you are saying
is the body doesn't matter, the messenger doesn't matter,
that as long as its the word being spoken, its truth. That
is not what I see in the Bible. God does have a separate
and distinct people, and those who believe in trinity have
no part in it. And God does have faithful men.

sis pam

[light]

Originally posted by Adoniyah
There is poision in the pot. Apostolics had no business of putting it in there. But, that is what happened in the beginning. In the beginning there was nothing but a one God, Jesus name, filled with the Holy Ghost church from Pentecost. There was no trinitarian doctrine or churches. Yet, something happened.

What was it? It was the Apostolics of the early church that threw poision in the pot. Many heresies came in among them as Apostle Paul said would come, not sparing the flock. We have the same conditon today among those that call themselves Apostolics We have no problem with Trinitarians, we see that error quite well. We well see that devil quite well. Therefore we are not going to be fooled there. But, let us be wise and watch out for the poison that the Apostolics (so called) would throw into the pot. There is the REAL danger. [/B]

Do you not claim to be apostolic?

Does not the WORD of GOD say that anyone who does not teach this Acts 2:38 message is cursed?

[Adoniyah]

Still trying to find the light, huh light? Hehehehehe. :)

[Sandy]

witness, you are not Jesus. You may represent Him, but you are not Him. Big difference you know.

So my point has been simply that because you are not Jesus Christ Himself, but only one of his disciples, you can be wrong.
But obviously you do not think so.

The ones that Jesus was harsh with were mainly the Religious Leaders of that day, not the followers. And sometimes also those that should know better. He was not harsh with the people in general that were lost.

Nor are we the one that baptizes another in the Holy Ghost. ONLY our Lord can do this. So you are very presumptuous to say He has not done so with me or anyone else for that matter, if indeed this is what you are saying.

Also, just what kind of evidence do you need to believe another has received this baptism, if it is not by their speaking in an unknown tongue as the Spirit gives that one the utterance? Which by the way is the sign of someone receiving and a wonder and miracle of Gods IMHO that proves it. At least that is what it appears to be biblically. If not, please let me know what it is, giving me the scriptures to prove it is indeed what you say. Because you have said a lot, but without any scriptures to prove your words whatsoever up to now.

I do apologize to you for suggesting you threw anyone to the wolves though, as I was way out of line to suggest that, not really knowing the entire situation. So please forgive me for that.

But I do believe you should consider the rest of what I said.

You also need to know that I in no way am suggesting to anyone they compromise Gods Word either for another. I firmly believe in Acts 2:38 salvation, and the One God message, whether I agree with you and some others on some of the issues discussed here or not, which by the way, my belief on those issues are just as biblical I believe as yours, having given scriptures to prove them. We simply do not agree on what some of those scriptures are saying.

You obviously do not believe in women preachers, and I do, believing that Pheobe was a pastor because of the meaning in the Greek of her position. There are those that totally disagree, whcih is anyones perogative. I was not aware this was the subject here though.

Nor is anyone here whatsoever telling another to go to a Trinitarian for teaching, which you are accusing us of. You are simply making it appear that way because some of us believe they do have some revelation, and do prophecy by the Holy Ghost, and also can receive the Spirit before being baptized in His name. Big difference between someone saying you need to get your understanding from a Trinitarian, compared to the idea that they can be right about certain issues you know.

I believe many of them will come into truth, and indeed already are, for that matter. But I believe many more in the near future are going to do so. And many will because God has already poured out His Spirit upon them, baptizing them in it, despite what some of you believe about this. Because He loves them too, and desires for them to have what He can give in order for them to receive that truth in that day.

thanks for sharing with me, but I believe it is time for me to say until next time for now too. As there is a time to sit down, but also a time to walk and run too. And I hve sat long enough in this one.

Adoniyah, I am so thankful for you and the many others like you that walk in the wisdom you do about this issue. For it will be those such as you and the others here that will be successful in bringing these to the truth, because of being that person that will have the patience to minister to them in the love of God, without that condemning high and mighty spirit, which does nothing but to often run others away in the end. We can blame them for not receiving, but perhaps we need to take a look at ourselves sometimes when they do not. Because it is human nature to resist another when the attitudes are high handed, looking down on that one. And after all, these people are not saved, and therefore walking in that human nature. Certainly there will be those that will never recieve. We know that. But there are also many out there hurting because of the way they have been ministered to as well, needing a good Samaritan to come along and give them what they need physically first, which is love first, then feed them with some truth along the way.
And I include myself in this too, because this is something God has been dealing with me about for some time now. I don't know how many times we have been surprised to have someone tell Al and I, now I know what you are saying about baptism , or the One God message and etc. when Al & I have just taken our time, allowing the Lord to reveal to them also, in the meantime, praying for them diligently, instead of trying to share with them all at once. Then when they didn't receive right away, thinking they never would. I just don't see doing that compromising Gods Word at all. But simply being long suffering, having patience with some along the way.

[Hnovilla]

His Name is Jesus!

"Death in the pot..."

The prophet's servant was asked to go and pick the herbs which were to be eaten. Instead of obeying, he sent another young man who did not know how to distinguish the lentiles, or whatever.

That is still the problem today. Instead of going out to choose the food for the children, today's ministers are sending out the novice in their place.

Tynedale, Wycliffe, etc., are preachers of righteousness? Are the scriptures too difficult to read?
Every man is responsible for what he has, and the Lord is faithful to honor what He has given. If a person is walking under the
'Spirit of repentance', he will can only give what he has received. If he is walking under the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, again he will give what he has. The Lord is FAITHFUL to honor that which He has given.

But the Gospel message is STILL the same. "Repent, and be baptized EVERYONE of you in the Name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins, and you SHALL receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." I might repent, and even receove the Holy Spirit; or repent and get baptized; but to ENTER INTO the Kingdom, I need all three.
Anything LESS is trying to preach another Gospel: "Let him be anathema."

Brother Villa

[stmatthew]

So Bro Villa,


Is the Man that has received real repentance, and begins preaching repentance, preaching false doctrine??? He is giving what he has received. Though it will bring no one to salvation in and of itself, doesn't it move someone closer to salvation??

just a thought

[witness4jesus]

Sandy, you told me I was wrong on this: Nor is anyone here whatsoever telling another to go to a Trinitarian for teaching,which you are accusing us of.

This statement was made by Adoniyah on the Preterist thread:

It would be a blessing to you if you were to find a knowledgable trinitarian, in the absence of an Apostolic, and get instructed on the doctrine of the resurrection, humbling yourself from the pride of a spiritual elitist.

Sandy, many here throw up Azusa street when they want to justify trinitarians. I suggest any who do read the Revelation of Jesus Christ by Frank Ewart, one at the forefront of the Oneness issue in the early 1900s. He was not so gentle toward this.

The truth is, the world heard the message that came from that great gathering, that you must baptize in Jesus name because He is the one true and living God! All denominations were gathered there, just like the gathering at Pentecost. And those that continued in the apostles doctrine continued steadfastly. Those that did not did not receive a love for the truth.

That message was carried to the Baptists, the Methodists, the Catholics, the Lutherans.......all heard that God had visited Azusa Street. All heard baptism in Jesus name. All heard that you need to speak in other tongues. All heard that Jesus is the mighty God and the everlasting Father. They rejected it, just as many did in the apostles' times. Its the same old story. And it will repeat itself.

Right now is a time of separation. Which also means, God is gathering Him a people that will steadfastly carry the message.

When the presence of God came into the temple of Dagon in the Ark, Dagon fell before God. There is no false God that can stand in the presence of our Lord. And trinity needs to fall on its face before this Jesus.

Sandy, I love people, and I love souls, and I earnestly desire that people everywhere should repent. But the reason many do not is because they feel justified. They have enough. They do not want to come all the way with Jesus. I dont need to go backward to any trinity preacher when I know that road has a dead end. They are blind leading the blind, and they are both going to fall into a ditch.

The last thing I do want to say, is that whenever people want to say, well God can speak through anything, even a dumb donkey, why not a trinitarian? The truth is, a donkey has no other Gods.

sis pam

[Sandy]

Pam,

First of all, I have never brought up Azusa Street in any of my posts. Even though I do know what took place there. So I therefore have no idea why you are bringing this up to me.

Furthemore, you seem to be suggesting that I am not preaching Acts 2:38. And IF YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT, I suggest you and anyone else that might think so too, really needs to think that one over a lot, if you believe that kind of baloney. As we have been involved in bringing many to this baptism, not only in person for over a good many years, but also thru the internet as well, doing so ever since we ourselves were baptized in His name years ago. And very successfully I might add too. And I take offence to anyone, however remotely, suggesting we are not doing so. Because we have given our lives to preaching this message, often going where you and others would not trod. And not because we are enjoying it either I assure you. But if one comes, it is all worth it to us. Because Jesus died for that one too. And they have a right to know. But most will never know as long as the Church sits in their comfortable pews waiting for them to come to them. The fact is, Jesus told us to go to them. And I can find no scripture that says, go into your church buildings and wait for them to come to you, or accidentally wonder in, then preach the Word.

And while I am very well aware of the fact that some will not recieve the truth, there are many that will, and in fact do, if presented to them in love, patience and long suffering, and a lot more prayer for God to open their eyes, pulling down those mountain of unbelief and lies satan has built up in their minds for years. Because many more than I suspect you believe do want the truth. At least that has been our experience anyway, whether it has been yours or not. And in light of our experience in this endeavor, I would suggest that perhaps you need to rethink your methods of delivery then.

I also know what Adoniyah posted too. And what he posted was not telling you to go and sit under a Trinitarian period, but that it might behoove you to get away from the leader you are now under and go and sit under even a Trinitarian that knew the truth about the resurrection, telling you that because he believes you err in what you and your leader believe in this area. In other words, he was not at all telling you what you are trying to say here, by making one of those mountains out of what is really a mole hill to begin with.

[witness4jesus]

Sandy:

It saddens me. I was not trying to offend you at all.
I was not even suggesting what you are saying.
But that you would repeat what Adoniyah said, and find it worthy really saddens me. That any would think that I could benefit from sitting under a trinity man.

I just know what I believe, Sandy, that's all. You are wrong if you think I just sit on a pew. Yes, we need to be reaching out to the lost, and trinitarians are lost. That is the big issue here.

I am not going to follow anyone that doesn't have the message of One God and Jesus name. There is no truth in them to have if they can't even see who God is.

I dont have to defend my pastor and what he believes. But I am going to defend this message, of the truth, of Jesus name.

sis pam

[Adoniyah]

Witness, you said this to Sis. Sandy:

"But that you would repeat what Adoniyah said, and find it worthy really saddens me. That any would think that I could benefit from sitting under a trinity man. "

My answer:

She does not have to repeat it. I will:

"It would be a blessing to you if you were to find a knowledgable trinitarian, in the absence of an Apostolic, and get instructed on the doctrine of the resurrection, humbling yourself from the pride of a spiritual elitist."

You are trying to represent that I am saying that you should go learn the Trinity doctrine from a Trinitarian. YOu KNOW that is not what I said. Yet, you would misrepresent the TRUTH anyway to serve what ever sinister means that you have in mind.

Actually, you would be better off to get away from where you are and refuse the poison pot of "no future resurrection of the dead and no literal return of the Lord."

A good Holy Ghost filled Trinitarian can teach you these truths of the resurrection and return of Jesus, which you need desperately. I believe that you soul is at stake.

Sister Sandy:

I salute you, my Sister.

You are paying a price to win the lost. I sense in your writings the gentle Spirit of Christ which is the love for the lost and love of truth. Again, I salute you.

[light]

Originally posted by Adoniyah

A good Holy Ghost filled Trinitarian can teach you these truths of the resurrection and return of Jesus, which you need desperately. I believe that you soul is at stake.



My Lord what a statement. Any true man of God would never make such a statement. There are thousands called of God who preach and teach the truth of the resurrection.
Why would any apostolic make such a statement?


[Rom 10:14] How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

[Rom 10:15] And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!


There is no such thing as a good trinity preacher!!!!!
A trinity preacher is a liar.
All liars will have there part in the lake of fire.
All trinitarians teach an .accursed gospel
Trinitarians are not called to preach. God dosn't send liars to preach his word.

[accurate]

. please delete account

[Adoniyah]

Light, you said:

"There are thousands called of God who preach and teach the truth of the resurrection."

My ans:

TRUE.

You also said:

"Why would any apostolic make such a statement?"

Because if she can't find an Apostolic to teach her those things, there are many TRINITARIANS who she hates can do a good job of teaching her those things.

The point is: It does not hold true that a person is wholly in error simply because he/she holds the trinity doctrine. They only need to be instructed more perfectly.

Why is that so hard to see, light?

btw...What's with all those giant words??? Are you screaming at the top of your lungs wanting to be heard, turning red in the face, pounding the desk with eyes blazing...tsk, tsk, tsk.

[witness4jesus]

I will repeat what Light said.

NO TRINITARIAN IS CALLED TO PREACH THE GOSPEL.

End of story.

sis pam

[accurate]

no oneness person was ever called to preach garbage

[light]

Originally posted by accurate
no oneness person was ever called to preach garbage
What do you call garbage??

[accurate]

Witness said "NO TRINITARIAN IS CALLED TO PREACH THE GOSPEL."

what do you call the gospel?

[light]

Originally posted by witness4jesus
I will repeat what Light said.

NO TRINITARIAN IS CALLED TO PREACH THE GOSPEL.

End of story.

sis pam

Sis pam I do not believe what you are being taught is truth, but would never tell you to seek understand from a man or woman that is on their way to hell. They have nothing to give a child of God.
More and more people that call themself apostolic are calling trinitiarians brother. I remember when some trinies and two very well known Jesus name officals had a debate on TV. The trinnies ask over and over "are we your brothers?"
The two Jesus name men refused to answer.
Well I can answer that with a very loud NO!!!!!!
I and any true child of God if they have a back bone will say the same.

NO MR. TRINNIE YOU ARE NOT MY BROTHER.

They are darkness. God told us in his word not to have anything to do with darkness.

[light]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Adoniyah
[B]Light, you said:

You also said:

"Why would any apostolic make such a statement?"

Because if she can't find an Apostolic to teach her those things, there are many TRINITARIANS who she hates can do a good job of teaching her those things.

The point is: It does not hold true that a person is wholly in error simply because he/she holds the trinity doctrine. They only need to be instructed more perfectly.

Why is that so hard to see, light?

QUOTE]
.You use the words "trinitiarians she hates"
I believe I can speek for sis Pam and I know without a doubt I do not hate any individual. I do hate the lies,the doctrine of devils that these people preach. False doctrine that sends thousands to the lake of fire each day

[witness4jesus]

Thank you, Light.
I dont hate any person. I love every soul. I hate the trinity doctrine. Those who do not bear the Father's Name are not his servants.

sis pam

[accurate]

i hate the pew-doctrine, but the brusharbor-doctrine I could go for that anyday...

[accurate]

its cold out here

(update: According to my dictionary, pew-itans were members of a group of English Protestants in the 16th 17th, and 21st centuries, who later burned in hell) or was it Puritans that burned in hell, hey witness your a better christian-history person than me.. tell me, which is it.)

Talking about church history is almost fun as talking about hell, so I know witness will love to share her amazing study-skills of the 16,17th centuries. You did say you majored in theology or something I think once.

There won't be any 16/17th century castle-trash in heaven. Also those share-croppers, now they are hell-croppers.. ) as for that Martin Luther dude, he's now writting 99 thesis along the sand of the shores in hell. He really didn't need to put graffiti on that poor catholic churches door, those poor people paid good money for that door. And them false-prophets of satan that were sent to evangelize China who were later killed for their faith in satan, serves them right!

From the above witness, we would both agree its a realist point of view. Though a bit imaginative, still true. I thank God for these that sacrificed their eternal souls to hell for us.

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[Adoniyah]

In the great Resurrection Chapter of the Bible found in I Cor. 15, we find the basic foundational stones of the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. See also Heb. 6:1-3.

Paul begins the Resurrection Chapter with these Words:

1Cr 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you THE GOSPEL which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and WHEREIN YE STAND;

1Cr 15:2 BY WHICH ALSO YE ARE SAVED, IF YE KEEP IN MEMORY WHAT I PREACHED UNTO YOU, UNLESS YE HAVE BELIEVED IN VAIN.

1Cr 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ DIED for our sins according to the scriptures;

1Cr 15:4 And that he was BURIED, and that he ROSE AGAIN the third day according to the scriptures:

For the remainder of this great resurrection chapter, Paul speaks of the resurrection and our own hope that we have in the GOSPEL which is the good news of our own eventual resurrection, particularly represented in the latter half of the chapter. That is to say, our own identification with him in HIS death, burial and resurrection, we have an eventual hope in our own resurrection, yet to come.

Those that deny the Gospel of Jesus Christ as does Apostle and Witness, are no more called to preach than the Trinitarians are called to preach the Trinity.

In fact the distinctions are drawn far more clearly here than of those that preach Trinitarianism.

I would be willing to believe that those who deny the resurrection, as so beautifully illustrated in this great resurrection chapter, to be a false apostle and a false witness, than those that preach a trinity.

And THAT, dear friends, is DEATH IN THE POT.

So light, if you can't see the light...don't scream at me until your eyes are blood shot...scream at the Word of God.

[light]

Originally posted by Adoniyah
So light, if you can't see the light...don't scream at me until your eyes are blood shot...scream at the Word of God. [/B]

I do not agree with apostle, or those that teach the pre trib. doctrine, or for that matter those that teach most of Revelations has already been fulfilled.
I will engage them in disscusion in hopes they will change, but I will never do as you do. I don't have the deep undying affection that you have for those that teach an accursed doctrine.
I will never suggest in the absence of an apostolic that they seek the advice and teachings of a SINNER.(Trinitarian)
How you (claiming to be apostolic) could even write such a statement is beond me, even in jest or frustration.

[searching]

I have had Trinitarian folks pray over me and I could feel the power of God. They may not have the whole truth, but there is no doubt in my mind that when they pray, they pray to the same God I pray to, and that same God fills them with the same Holy Ghost we all claim to have. At the risk of someone misunderstanding me, I will say that trinitarians are responsible for this latter day oneness religion. Now, before you all get yer panties in a bunch, let me also say that I do not believe this is a new doctrine, not in the least. However, there is no evidence to support anyone prior to a few Trinitarians getting their eyes open completely that lived the way we do now (not saying there wasn't any, but that their is no evidence). Those first Trinitarians were not children of Satan prior to their coming to the full knowledge of the truth. I know many Trinitarians who are filled with the Holy Ghost. They may still be sinners (who in here isn't one themselves), but I cannot believe they are Holy Ghost filled children of Satan. However, I do believe they are children of God who haven't found the whole truth. Will they make heaven? God knows.

Me...

[Sandy]

Light and all others that believe Adoniyah was actually telling Witness to go to a Trinitarian teacher period, did you not read the following phrase, which somewhat clarifies what I see he was saying to begin with?

Here it is.
" in the absence of an Apostolic,"

In other words, she would be better off to go to a Trinitarian and learn about the resurrection that had the truth regarding this subject ONLY, rather than listening to an Apostolic that is in error regarding it, because of his believing what she is being taught is what Paul told Timothy very clearly was a NO NO in 2nd Timothy 2:18, which could even overthrow her faith in the end.

And that was all he was saying that I read, therefore he was not telling her to do what you all seem to be trying now to say he was at all, manking a mountain out of what started out to be a mole hill in the first place, IMHO. And not only that, continuing to accuse him several times over of this unjustly as well, not trying to understand what he really was saying to begin with.

Witness, I do not know what you do personally at all. And I believe I made that quite clear as well in my statements to you, you responded to.

But I do believe there is a spirit of hatred toward Trinitarians amongst some Apostolics, just as there is a spirit of hatred toward Apostolics amongst many Trinitarians. But that certainly does not mean all Apostolics or Trinitarians whatsoever. But it does mean that if it does exist in anyone, no matter who it is, it is sin needful to be recognized and repented of. And I am not talking about hating someones doctrine only either. We should all hate doctrine that is erroneous and harmful to anyones walk of faith before God. I hate their doctine too, knowing full well how detrimental it is to ones walk. But I love them just as Jesus does, and therefore want to do whatever it takes for them to see the light. Even if it means humbling myself and heaping coals of fire (love) upon their heads according to Rm. 12:20 so that maybe, just maybe, one day they will see the truth. You can only overcome evil with good. In other words going that extra mile. I thank God that someone did for me too. Because I could just as easily have not seen if they had not, and iknow it. The Lord even revealed to me afterwards, who it was that fasted and prayed for my husband and I so that truth would be revealed to us, which was not the same person that did the preaching of the Word.

[witness4jesus]

Sandy, I did say this before, and i will say it again.

I DO NOT HATE ANY PERSON.

I also, have heard what Adoniyah has said about
his stairsteps to truth doctrine, believing that
Lutherans and Wesleyans opened up light on
truth. A trinity preacher isn't as good as a
donkey, because a donkey knew and recognized
the angel of the Lord where a dumb false prophet
could not. A donkey only knows one God, not
three.

How can someone who doesn't even know Jesus
know how He is raised or with what body? He
doesnt know what the Holy Ghost is, so how can
he know the relationship between the Father,
the Son, and the brethren? He cannot. So, how
in the world is a trinity preacher going to teach me
about the resurrection of Jesus Christ. How are
they going to teach me the coming of the Lord,
when they dont even know His coming or His
visitation. They teach that they are still waiting
for Him. But I know Him, and the power of His
resurrection, and know that my hope is eternal
with Him and the grave is not going to prevail
against me.

sis pam

[light]

Originally posted by witness4jesus

I also, have heard what Adoniyah has said about
his stairsteps to truth doctrine, believing that
Lutherans and Wesleyans opened up light on
truth.
sis pam
Sister Pam you are correct about the false doctrine that is found in the search for truth bible study. There was no stair step to truth. There have always been those that taught the TRUE gospel. My father had a book that was written in the late 1700 on the oneness of the God head and Jesus name baptizm. He loaned it to someone and can't remember who he loaned it to.
I remember he would show it to those that used the search for truth study and most continued to teach the false teachings.

Sis Pam you really need to fast and pray about the things you are being taught. This teaching is the same teaching that the Apostle Paul warned the early church about.




Sandy said:
However, I do believe they(Trinitiarians) are children of God who haven't found the whole truth. Will they make heaven? God knows.



I added to clearify, the word trinitarian in the above as this is who Sandy is talking about.

No Sandy any true apostolic knows that the Trinitiarians will not be in heaven, but will be in the Lake of Fire. How do the true apostolic know? by the word of God.

[witness4jesus]

Light, I do want to say I appreciate your concern.
The doctrine I follow is not the same as Hymenaeus
and Philetus as being said. I do believe there is
a future resurrection, a future hope. There is hope
til God says it is over and the last trumpet is sounded.
But I do hear the sound of the trumpet now too.

Brother Light, I really appreciate your recognition
that those who adhere to trinity are not in truth.

FOR THOSE WHO THINK TRINITY ARE IN TRUTH:

Jesus came to the Samaritan woman. She
perceived he was a prophet. But she didnt
have the truth til she saw who Jesus was.
Jesus said, you dont know what you worship.
But God is looking for those that will worship
Him in spirit and in truth.

I dont hate any person. I would that trinitarians
would come to a knowledge of Jesus Christ.
They just dont know what they worship.

sis pam

[Xerf]

Reformation (re-formed, made again) theory is nothing more than a twist of evolution theory with a spiritual setting. To teach that man evolved from a lower specie is as foolish as a reformation theory that teaches that the church died and was re-formed from a progressive string of untruth.

"His truth endureth unto ALL generations"
"Upon this rock I will build my church and the gates of hell SHALL NOT prevail against it"

I think I'll stick with Bible that declares that the One God message of Acts 2:38 has always been active since its conception in the Book of Acts.

[Adoniyah]

Xerf, you said:

"Reformation (re-formed, made again) theory is nothing more than a twist of evolution theory with a spiritual setting."

In the light of what you have just said, would you like to comment on this scripture paying particular attention to the words, "regeneration" and "renewing?"

Tts 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of REGENERATION, and RENEWING of the Holy Ghost;

You also said,

"I think I'll stick with Bible that declares that the One God message of Acts 2:38 has always been active since its conception in the Book of Acts."

My ans:

Good advice.

But would you like to explain the idea that man evolved from a lower species?

[Apostolic Kitty]

Originally posted by witness4jesus
And I realize that there are people who believe you can be in trinity and have the Holy Ghost, but I dont. I dont believe the same spirit resides in them that reside in me.


I had the Holy Ghost for 7 1/2 years before I was baptized in Jesus name. I received it in a trinitarian church. I even received refilling and refreshing in the HG from time to time. Same HG as I was refilled and refreshed with after being baptized in Jesus name.

Truly, to say that a trinitarian cannot have the HG is foolishness and, IMO, it limits God. It is the Lord who fills a person -- not man. And He will fill whosoever He chooses, wherever He chooses, and whenever He chooses.

[Apostolic Kitty]

Originally posted by witness4jesus
You cannot stay in a spiritually corrupt environment and have
covenant with God.



Not trying to be a thorn in your side, sis, but, once again, I disagree with you. The bible says we are IN THE WORLD (spiritually corrupt environment), but not of the world.

[witness4jesus]

Adoniyah, he is saying that it is preposterous to
assume that somehow the Azusa Street revival
was an evolution of truth from trinity preaching.
That the preaching of Luther, Calvin, Wesley had
anything to do with that gathering. That progressive
light has been shown to generations.

Or is it that since Pentecost, the sound has gone forth
into all the earth? Verily, have they not heard?

sis pam

[Xerf]

"Seeing this thing was not done in a corner," was Jesus response to those that refused to see the truth and declaring that it was open to all that had "eyes to see." Once the doctrine of salvation was preached by the apostle, there could not, would not be any other doctrine of salvation besides Acts 2:38. To proclaim that "walking in all the light they know" is salvation then the only ones lost are they ones that had the misfortune of hearing Acts 2:38 and rejected it!

Argue with Jesus if you will but "shall not prevail" is what He stated. And that once truth is brought to the forefront as it does in the revelation of Jesus Christ (which was a mystery in the OT) it stands forever!

People learn in degrees, no one recieves ALL knowledge at the New Birth experince--that's why there is the work of the ministry, however, NO NEW TRUTH is to be had than that which God has set in the church once and for all. In other words, no need of some spiritual evolution as if truth didn't exist. If this gospel be hid it is hid to them that are lost. IT IS THERE FOR ALL THAT WILL SEEK IT!

[Adoniyah]

Sister Kitty, you said:

"Truly, to say that a trinitarian cannot have the HG is foolishness and, IMO, it limits God. It is the Lord who fills a person -- not man. And He will fill whosoever He chooses, wherever He chooses, and whenever He chooses."

But...but...but...you don't understand Sister Kitty...God has got to do it Witness's and Apostolic's way, or he CAN'T do it at all. If he did it some other way that what they have said that it has got to be done...then it is of the devil. Therefore, the Holy Ghost that those bad ol' trinitarians have is really the devil. It is not the same spirit that Witness and Apostle has.

[Apostolic Kitty]

Originally posted by witness4jesus
What I dont believe is that someone can receive the Spirit of God through listening to a man preach that doesn't have the truth to give. What I do believe is what the Bible says, that God will see in the darkness those who are His and bring them out, and clothe them. That those who do receive the Holy Ghost have seen the light. How can you receive light from darkness?



Sis. Pam, it does not appear you are "just going by bible".

What are the prerequisites for receiving the Spirit of God? I don't think a man need have/do anything but hunger and thirst.

Also, the bible says it is Jesus who baptizes with the HG and fire -- not men, so I don't understand why you'd even mention receiving light from darkness here.

[Adoniyah]

Xerf:

I do not think any reasonable thinking person that knows two cents worth of scripture would disagree with your last post.

But would you refer to my question concerning your post before the last, and address it.

[Sandy]

Well, as for me, I will leave the judging of who is to be cast into the lake of fire in the end up to the Lord and you all. As I just don't believe I am qualified to do it personally at all. But since you do, I just plan to try to make sure I am not in any of your lines when it comes my turn, so therefore am going to make sure if at all possible I am in the one that Jesus is judging when my time comes instead. :D

[Xerf]

Your question:

"But would you like to explain the idea that man evolved from a lower species?"

I apparently am a bit dim-witted, but I don't understand why you asked the question. I do not ascribe that man evolved from a lower specie but that man (adam) was in creation the same as man today, physically speaking.

Thus my point, evolution is a anti-biblical theory.

I do know that men are brought to God (as I was myself) on bits and pieces of truth. But it is like the small pieces of a jig saw puzzle. The puzzle does not arrive, it was always there it only needs to be placed with the correct joining pieces to see its wholeness.

[Xerf]

But Jesus has already spoken as to who will be lost and who will be saved:

He says a man is lost to whom the "gospel is hid." Meaning not revealed or seen by the individual.

He says that "except a man be born of water and spirit he CANNOT enter into the kingdom..."

He says "broad is the way that leadeth unto DESTRUCTION and many ther be that go therein."

He says, "If you believe not that I am He (The Father) you will die in your sins."

He says, "except ye repent ye shall all likewise perish"

Just for starters..........these are what Jesus Said!

[Adoniyah]

Sister Sandy:

I want to be in the line that Jesus judges also.

But it chaps the back side of my lower posterior to read the attitude some take concerning those that they disagree with. They are so judgmental, that I am convinced that if it was up to them, they would have already sent me and all that are not exactly like them, there... (pointing down)

I am amazed at the attitudes that some Apostolics have assumed. Could this be a coming trend? It is alarming.

If we have the Holy Ghost, as we claim, then the love of God is suppose to be shed abroad in our hearts.

God is not willing that ANY SHOULD BE LOST. Why are we so single handily, ready and willing to send them to hell. Where is the longsuffering which is suppose to be fruit of the Spirit? Well, the fact is...no fruit...no Holy Ghost.

It is astounding to me that anyone could say such things that Sister Kitty copied and pasted in the quotes above.

[Adoniyah]

Xerf:

I agree entirely, brother.

Your reference to evolution confused me.

[Xerf]

Adoniyah:

Your reference to my reference confused me. :)

I hope that I am not being placed in the category of wishing anyone to hell. It is the hope of the gospel that I am contending for. The only truth that sets men free!

While I will not bash the person--I will counter their doctrine that cannot save them with the only gospel of salvation.

It is like having a sure fire remedy for salvation from cancer and trying to give it to someone that is shaking beaded images and chanting nonesense hoping to be cured--is it hatered or love that will point them to the REAL remedy? And having to put down their magic that is hopeless in order to recieve the Remedy--so be it!

[light]

Originally posted by Xerf
Adoniyah:


I hope that I am not being placed in the category of wishing anyone to hell. It is the hope of the gospel that I am contending for. The only truth that sets men free!

While I will not bash the person--I will counter their doctrine that cannot save them with the only gospel of salvation.

It is like having a sure fire remedy for salvation from cancer and trying to give it to someone that is shaking beaded images and chanting nonesense hoping to be cured--is it hatered or love that will point them to the REAL remedy? And having to put down their magic that is hopeless in order to recieve the Remedy--so be it!

I believe I have voiced my opinion the loudest and at the top of my lungs.
I will say it again "ALL Trinitiarians are lost"
Jesus said that he would send the Holy Ghost and it would lead us to ALL TRUTH
I have at least 4 people in the church that recieved the Holy Ghost in trinity churches. There is one thing common in all 4 they came out very soon after recieving the Holy Ghost. the very verse in John telling them Jesus would send the Holy Ghost told them something was wrong. They were worshiping 3 Gods. He manifested himself and they came out.

[John 14:16] And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

[John 14:17] Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

[John 14:18] I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

[John 14:19] Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

[John 14:20] At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

[John 14:21] He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

adoniyah and Sandy are just throwing up a smoke screen when the claim we don't love the lost. They scream love,love, love.

Jesus told us who he loved in the above verse.

Those that keep his commandments.

[Adoniyah]

Still don't get it huh, light???

[Xerf]

Maybe it is from: "If you LOVE me you will KEEP my commandments."

[Adoniyah]

Xerf:

You will note that I deleted that last post to light. I did not want to deflect too much, even though he built on an incorrect premisis. It is just not worth the discussion. So, I deleted it.

[searching]

quote:
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Sandy said:
However, I do believe they(Trinitiarians) are children of God who haven't found the whole truth. Will they make heaven? God knows.

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The above was attributed to Sis. Sandy, but it was I who made the comment. It was also said something along the lines of God cannot fill anyone who isn't in the truth and remains that way. I also differ with that. I have trinitarian in-laws and both have spoke in tongues praying for me. I have heard them, and there is no doubt in my mind that they are real. They have also both been baptised in the mighty name of Jesus, however, they attend a trinitarian church for various reasons.

I have also attended other non-denominal churches for dramas and such, and have heard folks speak in tongues, many times to the amazement of the audience. Those folks didn't appear to be Apostolic as I know them, but I don't believe they were faking tongues either. I cannot believe God would fill someone with His spirit, then take it away when they don't change churches. The Bible says that the Holy Ghost will lead us into all truth. I don't remember a timeline being given, therefore it must take longer for some than others, but in the meantime, those folks can have the Holy Ghost. Are they saved? Not completely, and that's what matters in the end, however, God is their judge, not us, yet we do His job with such ease, as if we don't trust Him to do it Himself. Leave the judging up to God, He's a big boy.

Me...

[tufluv]

SANDY:
I just plan to try to make sure I am not in any of your lines when it comes my turn, so therefore am going to make sure if at all possible I am in the one that Jesus is judging when my time comes instead.

ME:
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
ROFL

Amen to that!

[In His Service]

I believe that there are many people that will state that they know about the oneness of the Godhead and Jesus name baptism that are lost. Just as lost as those who believe in the Trinity.

The understanding of the oneness of the Godhead and Jesus name baptism are the beginning basics that many of those that call themselves Apostolic have not gotten past. The are stuck on the basics and have not grown and inch forward.

Trinitiarians believe false teachings but so do Apostolics that do not follow consecrated holiness before God in dress and deed, who partake in worldly-pagan holidays that have no foundation in the Word of God, who believe that the Saints of God are not in a state of sleeping when they die to await the coming again of the Lord, etc.... and much more we might want to delve into.

It is time the church woke up and get above the basics and have a truly firm built foundation such as written and preached by the Apostles.

Too many apostolics are just filling up space on pews and not living the live in word, deed and lifestyle and then look at others with a superior attitude when they are just as lost.

Time for the Church to wake from its slumper,
In His Service

[Hnovilla]

His Name is Jesus!

I love trinies and ALL men, but cannot respect their doctrine. I must draw a line between the individual who is seeking God, and the denominational dogma. It seems to me that those who feel as I do are not being understood, and to silence us we are called 'trinie bashers'.
Truth is Truth, no matter which mouth pronounces it. I believe it was Caiaphas, the High Priest, who profesied that it was necessary for Jesus to die so the nation might live. He spoke Truth, not realizing what he was really saying. So it is with ANY denomination. This, however, is not an indication of their right standing with the Lord, but of the Lord's faithfulness: "...if we deny him, he remains faithful; he CANNOT deny himself..." Am I justified because I preach the Gospel? No! I am justified because I have believed and embraced the Gospel.
Many men will speak Truth, and God will honor that Truth. THey say, 'Jesus saves!'; and he does. But that proclamation does not, by itself, save.
Beloved, the Gospel is STILL THE SAME: "Repent, and be baptized EVERYONE of you in the NAME of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and YOU SHALL receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."

Brother Villa

[ddc101]

Bro.Strange,
From all that you have written and all that I have read in this last year on the GNC.I do not in any way or form believe that you adhere to trinitarianism.In fact I am glad you still stand after all these years for the faith once given unto the apostles and still go to a truth teaching apostolic church.
To the rest of you
Heres my take:
There are people in this world who are educated and can rightly divide the word.There are people in the church who though they are Holy Ghost filled still are fumbling with the Word.We all need to come to a greater knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ.
No I do not believe you need to eat from foreign pastures.I do however believe you need to open the word yourself and rightly divide it.Go one topic at a time and study.what we need to do is confirm the word in those who are already seeing more.We also need to dig deep ourselves because we will never know it all.lv sis.c
p.s.A few of these posts are real mean and judgemental.Could you all possibly not call your brother or sister an idiot????

[witness4jesus]

Thank you, Brother Villa for your words.

I feel that we are seeing a reversal of
the stand that Ewart and Goss took 80 years ago.
They walked away from trinity, and said, that
is not of us. Now people are wanting to say,
well, they believe a lot like we do.

Is that what God called us to? He said, come
out from among them and be ye separate.

Maybe its because I never belonged to any
of the denominations. I attended a Mormon
church off and on because of my husband,
but never adhered to their beliefs. I never
knew much of anything about God outside
of this truth. The very first thing God showed
me was His Oneness. That is why I believed.

sis pam

[Sandy]

Searching,

I didn't say anything, because it could have very well have been me that said what you did, because I really do not know for sure what most believe here about this is entirely true regarding this issue. I personally have a lot of questions about this, which I am not foolish enough to bring up on here anyway, but have to do with what some of the scriptures say about this issue. I just don't believe anymore that issues such as this are as black and white as what many believe. But have shared a couple of these scriptures before as to why I believe this, and they were ignored completely as far as I know anyway.

But I do know those people you are speaking of that are speaking in tongues are doing so because they have indeed received the baptism in the Holy Ghost none the less. And multitudes of them have been heard and even understood by another knowing that language while speaking in a tongue they had no way of knowing themselves, God speaking thru them. Oh, one could say otherwise, even claiming it to be the devil I also know. But I do not believe it is. Because His Word says He will pour His Spirit out upon all flesh.

But I have also been around long enough to know that if someone has chosen to believe something, I don't care how many scriptures you put before them that suggests otherwise, they are going to believe what they want to believe, if that is really what they desire at the time. Which is the reason I sometimes walk away from an issue.

Adoniyah, Unfortunately, I used to be the way some of them are on here myself, but mostly before I was baptized in His name. After that I began to realize the fact that we can indeed be wrong. And began to wonder what else I was wrong about too. Which brought me to seeking the Lord about issues, along with studying issues out before jumping to conclusions just because Brother or sister so and so told me this was true, even giving me a scripture here and there to prove what they were saying. I suddenly began to see also just how often, and how easily we can take a few scriptures and make a doctrine out of them that may not be entirely true too. If anyone has ever heard some of these preachers preach the prosperity message, then have gone and checked out the scriptures they use to prove what they are saying, should be able to see this very clearly how easily this is done. And that one isn't difficult to see either. Not to mention some of the other messages that people try to tell you as well. Don't ever accept anything someone tells you even if they come and give you a few scriptures that sound good without checking it out thoroughly. And even then keep doing so after you feel it has been confirmed. And if anything comes up that seems to contradict it in some way or another, always question it. If it is of God, it will stand the test always.

Religious teaching, whether it is truth or not, is a form of brain washing if you want to get techinical. When it is truth, then it is good brain washing, but when it isn't entirely truth, then it isn't so good. Because that kind is the kind that Paul speaks of that is believed from the heart. And the only way for the wrong kind to be removed is for the Lord to be involved in doing it as you share with them. In other words, it takes both the preacher and Jesus. Simply because it has taken root within the heart and believed. And if we think we can do it by ourselves, just by telling someone something, forget it. Cannot be done. Which is why prayer of faith for those is so important along with preaching, and sometimes fasting as well for the unbeliever. Especially if you are having a difficult time with some unbelief regarding that person yourself according to Mt. 17:20-21, while praying for them. You know, we are sometimes really quick to point the finger at the other person, when they do not see, when the problem could be with our own unbelief for them as well. Often brought on by the seeing in the natural ourselves, which always leans toward the negative when the situtaion appears that way to begin with, instead of the Spiritual, or as God sees instead. The book of Job reveals this truth. God saw Job as perfect, but did his friends? Even before Job repented in the end. And we tend to see things the same way too. Which is how many spoken curses probably happen as well that James writes about that had not ought to be. Which means we also need to be careful what we say too.
These things I learned as that Trinitarian, and still beleive yet today too. Simply because the Word verifies this one over and over again. What we speak is very important, because everytime you say something, either God is going to agree or the devil. And personally, I want to speak the things God is going to agree with myself. that scripture about this I mentioned is James 3:9-10.

Well, now that I have said all of that, I will be quiet now. :D

Have to go anyway.

[ddc101]

John,
I noticed the title to this is death in the pot.Is this a thread about your chili.....which by the way I am going to make for our upcoming mens supper.To a cajun nothings ever too hot.Other people snort cocaine.Here we snort cayenne...lv sisi.c

[Xerf]

Don't I know it! If you call the local fire dept. in LA you hear:

JOE'S GUMBO AND CRAB SHACK!

[Apostolic Kitty]

Kinda funny you'd say that, Xerf. My dad is the fire chief in Fort Pike, LA and his name is Joe. I'll have to ask him the last time he went crabbing, though...

That whole snorting cayenne pepper thing was hilarious, sis. ddc. :)

[Xerf]

Small world huh?

ddc was joking? NOW you tell me, after I setting here with a full can of cayenne pepper with a bag over my head!

[Apostolic Kitty]

ROFL!!!

Xerf, you're on a roll this morning! I think we need to curb your cayenne pepper!

[tufluv]

XERF:
Listen carefully, QUICK, find someone (maybe one of us) to stuff you into that bag, throw in a little flour, and toss all into a vat of boiling oil, and voila!
Fried cajun XERF! Bon appetit! :D
(psst...pass the tartar sauce, and lemon!) There's another recipe for DDC for that men's supper, guest of honor: Xerf, incognito!
:D :D :D (since we haven't yet figured out who he is anyway!)
Penalties for w/holding information! (get fried!) :redcool:

[Xerf]

How can you even suggest that? I am a gormet' not the gored meat!

Speaking of foods, I have several comments about some:

Watermelon -- it's a good fruit. You eat, you drink, you wash your face.

I believe that beef jerky and Moon Pies are two of the major food groups. (I told you I was a gormet')

[ddc101]

Moon pies are missles at La Madi Gras.....sis.c

[foreverblessed]

Tufluv,
Why the tarter sauce and lemon??? I still say he's CHICKEN! :)

[Xerf]

I refuse to become a subject of someone's dinner table!!!!!

[foreverblessed]

Gee, and Why not?

[tufluv]

Sorry, refuse all you want, but that's the penalty for failure to disclose your REAL NAME! (you may be the post police, but I am the post lawyer!):p
As for lemon & tartar, well, some like that on even chicken, well, the lemon anyway...but if you go to a place like say, LongJohnSilvers, they have both fish & chicken, so-o, they oftentimes can get all mixed together anyways...
But back to the menu, XERF INCOGNITO CAJUN STYLE, may be served with a sidedish of mixed greens, some freedom fries, freedom toast, and a beverage of choice.
:D :D:

[Xerf]

I am quickly losing my appetite for this!

I remember what the missionary said to the native that had placed him into a large pot over a fire, "Got any Grey Poupon!"

[tufluv]

XERF:

Don't get mad :realmad: Its better than a prison-term!
:D :D :D

[Xerf]

Is J/K a shorthand for jerk?

:)

I knew you were joking......(now how can I get ahold of that hit man I paid?)


Don't stop now, do your worst! And may the last poster typing win!!!!!!!!!!!!

:)

[tufluv]

HEY, NOT FAIR!
YOU must've read it before I immediately corrected it, its not coming out, BRO.JOHN!!! HELP!! Some of these smilies are not cooperating today, (dissension in the ranks),I meant for it to say:

JUST KIDDING!
(where's that lazy guy that's supposed to be holding up that sign-he's FIRED!)


BUT, alas, I must be going, there's church tonight, and other chores I must tend to..can't wait to see what others will have to say about commuting your sentence, the jury's still out!!!PRAY HARD!

BYE!:D

[Xerf]

Is this a jury of my peers, or just a bunch of peer de mad folk?

[tufluv]

That's privileged information, you "defendant", you!

Lucky for you, I've just been advised that you have been granted MERCY, from on high; thats a "perk" that comes with being a "saint"! GO IN PEACE, my brother!

(but we'll be keeping an eye on you!):D
You may cook now.

[ddc101]

Subject :
Death in the Pot
I think its neat in these bible passages posted originally by
Witness that something could be added to the pot and the thing that would have caused death now supports life.It reminded me of how sometimes the enemy comes at us and trys to make us eat spiritual poison and how the word of the Lord overpowers all the poison of the enemy.

Isa 59:19
19 So shall they fear the name of the LORD from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun. When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the LORD shall lift up a standard against him.
(KJV)