Is Jesus schizophrenic?

[Unregistered]

I was asked this question at work today? I asked, what do you mean? The fellow employee said, because if there is one God, how do you explain Jesus praying in the Garden, or the voice from heaven after his baptism, without concluding Jesus was schizophrenic? I answered. I would like your input! Thank you for your help.

[BrotherBallard]

I was asked this question at work today? I asked, what do you mean? The fellow employee said, because if there is one God, how do you explain Jesus praying in the Garden, or the voice from heaven after his baptism, without concluding Jesus was schizophrenic? I answered. I would like your input! Thank you for your help.
Here is an excerpt from The Oneness of God (excerpt from Teachers' Training Course: The Doctrine of Faith):

A simple understanding of the Godhead is this: God the Father - who created all things by the Word of His mouth and sustains all things by the breath of His Holy Spirit - is a spirit who inhabits eternity, filling all things. He cannot be contained in one location. He is omnipresent, omniscient, and omnipotent. In Him, we "live, move, and have our being." (See Acts 17:28) God the Father, through His Holy Spirit, caused a virgin to conceive and bring forth the Son of God, who was born without sin and was the only begotten Son of God. The Son was the flesh that God the Father dwelled in upon the earth for more than thirty years, experiencing the pain and joy of being a man. The Son of God possessed every quality that makes us men except for a sinful nature. He was fully human, with a human mind, will, and emotions that allowed the Father to experience life as a man. God was now a man without ceasing to be fully God. Just as a man can be both a husband and a father without abdicating either role, so God became both Divine (the Father) and human (the Son). The fullness of the Godhead dwells in Christ bodily, or physically, and Jesus now reveals the glory of the Father as the Incarnate Word, or plan, of God. (See 2 Corinthians 4:4-6; Philippians 2:5; Colossians 1:12)

If this didn't help, I will go further in detail

In His Name!!!

[jdcord]

Personally, I think the whole "there's only one God, but he's really three" is what sounds schizophrenic. My God only has one personality, not three: he's not Sybil. *L*

[OneGodDivine]

KJV Isaiah 9
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

ASV John 14

6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life: no one cometh unto the Father, but by me.
7 If ye had known me, ye would have known my Father also: from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and dost thou not know me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; how sayest thou, Show us the Father?
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I say unto you I speak not from myself: but the Father abiding in me doeth his works.
11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, he that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto the Father.
13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
14 If ye shall ask anything in my name, that will I do.
15 If ye love me, ye will keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may be with you for ever,
17 even the Spirit of truth: whom the world cannot receive; for it beholdeth him not, neither knoweth him: ye know him; for he abideth with you, and shall be in you.
18 I will not leave you desolate: I come unto you.

1 Timothy 3
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Colossians 2
8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

Ask your college if he believes God the Son, the second person died on a cross? Or does he believe the flesh, that is the Man Christ Jesus, died on the cross? Even Trinitararians believe in the dual nature of Christ. If he believes God the Son died then that in itself throws the triune God out the window because trinies believe in three persons all co-equel.

The following is the definition of the Trinity:
Note: even if one believes this one still believes in Christs dual nature. And to imply that God the Son prayed to God the Father also takes away from thier belief and totally reduces Jesus to a mear lesser diety. Not co equal or co eternal.
And I dare say that if all trinies believed and understood the following quote we would have a much easier time of winning them to One God. Unfortunately most sure fired Trinitarians believe in Three Gods in the Godhead, they even pray to each entity, talk about confusion.

:grumble: :huh: :confused:


A DEFINITION OF THE TRINITY: THE ATHANASIAN CREED

{History of the Christian Church, v.3, Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 1974 (orig. rev. ed., 1910), p.690,697}

The Athanasian Creed follows, taken from Schaff's work:

1. Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith.
2. Which faith except every one do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly.
3. But this is the catholic faith: That we worship one God in trinity, and trinity in unity;
4. Neither confounding the persons; nor dividing the substance.
5. For there is one person of the Father: another of the Son: another of the Holy Spirit.
6. But the Godhead of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit is all one: the glory equal, the majesty co-eternal.
7. Such as the Father is, such is the Son, and such is the Holy Spirit.
8. The Father is uncreated: the Son is uncreated: the Holy Spirit is uncreated.
9. The Father is immeasurable: the Son is immeasurable: the Holy Spirit is immeasurable.
10. The Father is eternal: the Son eternal: the Holy Spirit eternal.
11. And yet there are not three eternals; but one eternal.
12. As also there are not three uncreated: nor three immeasurable: but one uncreated, and one immeasurable.
13. So likewise the Father is almighty: the Son almighty: and the Holy Spirit almighty.
14. And yet there are not three almighties: but one almighty.
15. So the Father is God: the Son is God: and the Holy Spirit is God.
16. And yet there are not three Gods; but one God.
17. So the Father is Lord: the Son Lord: and the Holy Spirit Lord.
18. And yet not three Lords; but one Lord.
19. For like as we are compelled by the Christian verity to acknowledge every Person by himself to be God and Lord:
20. So are we forbidden by the catholic religion to say, there are three Gods, or three Lords.
21. The Father is made of none; neither created; nor begotten.
22. The Son is of the Father alone: not made; nor created; but begotten.
23. The Holy Spirit is of the Father and the Son: not made; neither created; nor begotten; but proceeding.
24. Thus there is one father, not three Fathers: one Son, not three Sons: one Holy Spirit, not three Holy Spirits.
25. And in this Trinity none is before or after another: none is greater or less than another.
26. But the whole three Persons are co-eternal together, and co-equal.
27. So that in all things, as aforesaid, the Unity in Trinity, and the Trinity in Unity is to be worshiped.
28. He therefore that will be saved, must thus think of the Trinity.
29. Furthermore, it is necessary to everlasting salvation, that we believe also rightly in the incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ.
30. Now the right faith is, that we believe and confess, that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is God and Man.
31. God, of the substance of the Father, begotten before the worlds: and Man, of the substance of His mother, born in the world.
32. Perfect God: perfect Man, of a reasonable soul and human flesh subsisting.
33. Equal to the Father as touching His Godhead: inferior to the Father as touching His Manhood.
34. And although He be God and Man; yet He is not two, but one Christ.
35. One, not by conversion of the Godhead into flesh; but by assumption of the Manhood into God.
36. One altogether, not by confusion of substance; but by unity of person.
37. For as the reasonable soul and flesh is one man; so God and Man is one Christ.
38. Who suffered for our salvation: descended into Hades: rose again the third day from the dead.
39. He ascended into heaven. He sits on the right hand of God, the Father almighty:
40. From whence He shall come to judge the quick and the dead.
41. At whose coming all men must rise again with their bodies;
42. And shall give account for their own works.
43. And they that have done good shall go into life everlasting; but they that have done evil, into everlasting fire.
44. This is the catholic faith; which except a man believe truly and firmly, he cannot be saved.

[lellingsworth]

KJV 1 Timothy 3
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Colossians 2
8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

ASV John 14

6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life: no one cometh unto the Father, but by me.
7 If ye had known me, ye would have known my Father also: from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and dost thou not know me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; how sayest thou, Show us the Father?
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I say unto you I speak not from myself: but the Father abiding in me doeth his works.
11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, he that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto the Father.
13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
14 If ye shall ask anything in my name, that will I do.
15 If ye love me, ye will keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may be with you for ever,
17 even the Spirit of truth: whom the world cannot receive; for it beholdeth him not, neither knoweth him: ye know him; for he abideth with you, and shall be in you.
18 I will not leave you desolate: I come unto you.

Ask your college if he believes God the Son, the second person died on a cross? Or does he believe the flesh, that is the Man Christ Jesus, died on the cross? Even Trinitararians believe in the dual nature of Christ. If he believes God the Son died then that in itself throws the triune God out the window because trinies believe in three persons all co-equel.

The following is the definition of the Trinity:
Note: even if one believes this one still believes in Christs dual nature. And to imply that God the Son prayed to God the Father also takes away from thier belief and totally reduces Jesus to a mear lesser diety. Not co equal or co eternal.
And I dare say that if all trinies believed and understood the following quote we would have a much easier time of winning them to One God. Unfortunately most sure fired Trinitarians believe in Three Gods in the Godhead, they even pray to each entity, talk about confusion.

:grumble: :huh: :confused:

The best explanation for the trinity can be found at http://www.crosswalk.com/
Once you get to that page, enter "trinity" under "Search the bible".. Then read the results that will be displayed. :)

[OneGodDivine]

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Your right, its not in the Bible but "One God" definately is. I dont want to be missunderstood I'm definately not a Trinitarian, I was simply trying to reveal, for those who have actually never been schooled in the belief, how proposterous the Trinitarian belief is.

[lellingsworth]

Your right, its not in the Bible but "One God" definately is. I dont want to be missunderstood I'm definately not a Trinitarian, I was simply trying to reveal, for those who have actually never been schooled in the belief, how proposterous the Trinitarian belief is.

Coming from a Methodist background , who states on their web site that they believe in the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, I think they deal with it by not speaking about it. No trinity was EVER preached in the church that I was raised in all my life so I was surprised when I read their doctrine page. I also went to a charismatic church that NEVER preached the trinity either. I only found the F/S/HS reference in a flyer many years after I attended there. But then again, maybe the preachers didn't really believe in it themselves so they kept their mouths shut about it. :) I really did not know what trinitarian was until I went to a Pentecostal church. It just wasn't discussed. But I tell you what, Boy was I mad when I found out that I was immersed with incorrect wording!

[ddc101]

God is always in perfact unity with himself.Its not a numerical three that you should be looking at but a unified manifestation of one in three.Looking at it this way is easier to understand.God never stopped being Father when he manifested as son.Also when Jesus prayed he was laying down his human will as our example.If Jesus is labeled as hearing voices I suppose we all would be considered prime institutional material.What of John the Baptist? I wonder if they would label him Manic Depressive.He after all not only wandered around all over the place but consider his dress.Not to mention he walked all over the country side.He would have been considered way out.What of Zacharias or Mary or Elizabeth? Think what social workers would think of Abraham for taking his son to the mountain to sacrifice him.Hey they would never let him be alone in his presense again in these united States.lv sis.c

[PREACH1]

I guess the important thing here is to really explain what Jesus Christ was doing when he was praying to the Father. It seems we understand who He was-that is He was both humanity and divinity wrapped in one body. Remember Jesus Christ is fully God and fully human at the same time so who He is does not change but how He operates or functions for a particular moment and for a particular reason does. Jesus to be sufficient sacrafice for us had to expierence the fullness of humanity that means feelings, hunger, dissappontment, tempatation etc. So in his humanity He was expierencing the need to pray to his Father in heaven and because the fullness of the Godhead dwelt in Him bodily (Col 2:9) He simply expressed within Himself His need to the Father which dwelt in Him. This is much the same as us because God is a spirit and because the Spirit of God dwells in us, when we pray we are praying to God that abides, moves and operates within us.

[ddc101]

He said Our Father which are in heaven.
Also he said the kingdom of heaven was within us.

I also look at it like this.Jesus was laying down his human will in prayer hence the term...thy will be done.lv sis.c

[OneGodDivine]

Even the trintarians believe God is omnipresent. But nevertheless the scripture also states that the Fullness of the Godhead was in Christ Jesus Bodily. It also states that all power was given to Jesus in heaven and in earth.

[OneGodDivine]

Oneness of God

In distinction to the doctrine of the Trinity, the UPCI holds to a oneness view of God. It views the Trinitarian concept of God, that of God eternally existing as three distinctive persons, as inadequate and a departure from the consistent and emphatic biblical revelation of God being one.

The UPCI teaches that the one God who revealed Himself in the Old Testament as Jehovah revealed himself in His Son, Jesus Christ. Thus Jesus Christ was and is God. In other words, Jesus is the one true God manifested in flesh, for in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily (John 1:1-14; I Timothy 3:16; Colossians 2:9).

While fully God, Jesus was also fully man, possessing a full and true humanity. He was both God and man. Moreover, the Holy Spirit is God with us and in us. Thus God is manifested as Father in creation and as the Father of the Son, in the Son for our redemption, and as the Holy Spirit in our regeneration.

[Marie]

The best explanation for the trinity can be found at http://www.crosswalk.com/
Once you get to that page, enter "trinity" under "Search the bible".. Then read the results that will be displayed. :)
:tup: :yeah: I like that!

[lellingsworth]

The teenage boys here thought it was great. They wanted to go print it out and post it on every Trinitarian church they could find.

[eagle5]

Here is an excerpt from The Oneness of God (excerpt from Teachers' Training Course: The Doctrine of Faith):

A simple understanding of the Godhead is this: God the Father - who created all things by the Word of His mouth and sustains all things by the breath of His Holy Spirit - is a spirit who inhabits eternity, filling all things. He cannot be contained in one location. He is omnipresent, omniscient, and omnipotent. In Him, we "live, move, and have our being." (See Acts 17:28) God the Father, through His Holy Spirit, caused a virgin to conceive and bring forth the Son of God, who was born without sin and was the only begotten Son of God. The Son was the flesh that God the Father dwelled in upon the earth for more than thirty years, experiencing the pain and joy of being a man. The Son of God possessed every quality that makes us men except for a sinful nature. He was fully human, with a human mind, will, and emotions that allowed the Father to experience life as a man. God was now a man without ceasing to be fully God. Just as a man can be both a husband and a father without abdicating either role, so God became both Divine (the Father) and human (the Son). The fullness of the Godhead dwells in Christ bodily, or physically, and Jesus now reveals the glory of the Father as the Incarnate Word, or plan, of God. (See 2 Corinthians 4:4-6; Philippians 2:5; Colossians 1:12)
Wow, that is just an excellent post. Thank you for sharing this it really will help me a lot when talking to others to have such a concise and lucid explanation!

[eagle5]

The best explanation for the trinity can be found at http://www.crosswalk.com/
Once you get to that page, enter "trinity" under "Search the bible".. Then read the results that will be displayed. :)
You are right. That is a great explanation of the trinity.

:laugh:

[Donny Cage]

I was asked this question at work today? I asked, what do you mean? The fellow employee said, because if there is one God, how do you explain Jesus praying in the Garden, or the voice from heaven after his baptism, without concluding Jesus was schizophrenic? I answered. I would like your input! Thank you for your help.

Jesus is not skizophrenic. He is omnipresent.