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ddc101
04-08-2003, 03:16 PM
I believe we have the responsibility as believers to help our aged parents.The word does not say to help them if they meet our expectations nor if we personally like them.Our feelings have nothing to do with if it feels good.We must obey even when it is against what our flesh feels comfortable with or even if it upsets our lifestyles.



Heres the scriptures:

Lev 19:3
3 Ye shall fear every man his mother, and his father, and keep my sabbaths: I am the LORD your God.
(KJV)

Matt 15:4-6
4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
(KJV)
Lev 19:3
3 Ye shall fear every man his mother, and his father, and keep my sabbaths: I am the LORD your God.
(KJV)

Matt 15:4-6
4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
(KJV)

Exod 20:12
12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
(KJV)

Exodus 20:12-17 PP5

5. Endeavouring, in every thing, to be the comfort of their parents, and to make their old age easy to them, maintaining them if they stand in need of support, which our Saviour makes to be particularly intended in this commandment, <Mt. 15:4-6>. The reason annexed to this commandment is a promise: That thy days may be long in the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee. Having mentioned, in the preface to the commandments, has bringing them out of Egypt as a reason for their obedience, he here, in the beginning of the second table, mentions his bringing them into Canaan, as another reason; that good land they must have upon their thoughts and in their eye, now that they were in the wilderness. They must also remember, when they came to that land, that they were upon their good behaviour, and that, if they did not conduct themselves well, their days should be shortened in that land, both the days of particular persons who should be cut off from it, and the days of their nation which should be removed out of it. But here a long life in that good land is promised particularly to obedient children. Those that do their duty to their parents are most likely to have the comfort of that which their parents gather for them and leave to them; those that support their parents shall find that God, the common Father, will support them. This promise is expounded <Eph. 6:3>, That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth. Those who, in conscience towards God, keep this and the rest of God's commandments, may be sure that it shall be well with them, and that they shall live as long on earth as Infinite Wisdom sees good for them, and that what they may seem to be cut short of on earth shall be abundantly made up in eternal life, the heavenly Canaan which God will give them.
(from Matthew Henry's Commentary)

Adoniyah
04-09-2003, 12:17 PM
Amen Sis.

In the scriptures above we find a hipocrite that will shirk his obligation to support his mother and father by saying that what he would normally give to them for their support in their old age, he has instead given to the temple, considering himself to be free of his obligation to honor his mother and father in this regard.

Jesus condemed this by saying that such a tradition of this effectively nullified the commandments...not just the 5th commandment, but all of them.

Jesus made it plain that if the least of the commandments are broken or in the least abridged, all of the commandments have been violated.

If one does not keep even the least of God's commandments, there is no regard for any of them except how they would serve our own lust, worldly loves and honor, seeing that there is no fear of God at all, as evidenced by one willing to violate any one of them.

tufluv
04-09-2003, 01:47 PM
I agree fully, and you know it can't be easy for lots of us, ya'll having read what I've mentioned in bits, here & there, on my posts, but, that is what GOD expects, and I ain't arguing with HIM!
No one else of their children will do anything to help, either, only my sister did when she was alive, and that left ME of all people.
Their least favorite! Oh well, there's that verse that I'll paraphrase since I'm on my way out, that says, "if you love those that love you, what favor [reward] is there in that"?
Like, what suffering is there in that, in other words., but if we can love those whom hate us (or have), OR even dislike us, have wronged us, then GOD's mercy is extended to them as well, and HE is glorified.
Forgiveness towards parents as well as others, is essential for a consecrated walk with GOD, I have been working on forgiveness towards them, and I'm a lot closer than before, better every day!
Although having them reject acts2:38 does not find favor with me, but I've done my job and also shown love towards them by presenting to them this truth. I help them out financially as much as possible.
WHAT A MIGHTY GOD WE SERVE! GOTTA LOVE HIM!:D

ddc101
04-10-2003, 02:18 AM
I truly believe that God gave me to my parents in their later years to help them and care for them.Also to bring salvation to our household.My mom was saved soon after I was and went on to be with the Lord.We cared for her at home for five long years with alzheimers.Now I help to care for my aging dad.He can be difficult but God is going to save him.One of the sisters in church in seeing how much stress I am under has come and moved in my dads house and yesterday we moved him home to his own bed and room.Thank God for his people.When we ever get the understanding that we are in this together lots of rewards will be reaped.lv sis.c

tufluv
04-10-2003, 06:35 PM
Amen, Sis Cooper, GOD always has a reason for everything! Its a wondrous thing to see so much cooperation, brotherly and godly love amongst the saints. Your are truly blessed! :angel:

ddc101
04-10-2003, 11:55 PM
Sister Tufluv,
I would have worn myself thin because I believe that we are responsible for our aging parents.If a person could not be kept at home due to medical reasons I understand but we live in a world where things are so convienient.Home health can just buzz by or 911 can be called for distress.I just cannot see anyone else doing my job for me.When told by a family member...Oh put him in the nursing home....I replied to this catholic relative....Its one of the Ten Commandments....shut them up real quick...lv sis.c

tufluv
04-10-2003, 11:57 PM
Halleluyah, you go Sister! :tup:
Its amazing how callous people of the world are, people of that religion do not KNOW GOD, HE does not live in them, therefore, they serve another master, sad but true. They have little idea of the compassion of JESUS. We must understand, forgive, witness, and keep our eyes on JESUS!

ddc101
04-11-2003, 06:03 PM
Sister I have a missionary friend that Jesus knows is under alot of stress.Not only does she have a handicapped son who cannot do any of his daily needs but has also taken in her elderly mother and lately a niece that was being abused.Where theres a will theres a way is so true.I for one would love to see pentecostal assisted living communities for those who have no children or family to see to them.Bro.Cooper and I have long said how we desire to have property where we can have elderly retired ministers come and live and preach us all the good stuff they have learned all these years of living for God.What a blessing that would be.lv sis.c

mbrugh
07-26-2004, 10:52 AM
Not only caring for elderly parents . . .

I've seen too many adult children (who claim that they have the Holy Ghost) sass their parents horribly, arguing with them, calling them names, screaming at them – makes you wonder about their "Holy Ghost."

I can never understand that attitude.

oneway238
07-27-2004, 12:37 AM
Amen,:D I beleive in taken care of your mother and father,
I do my best.:spin:

my mother lives in one part of the state and my daddy lives in the other part of the state.

it has been that way since 1977


I love my mother and daddy.
I go back and forth when they need me

I live closer to mother but i used to live closer to daddy

daddy said mother need me now


GBU
oneway238

LilOrphanAnnie
07-27-2004, 09:23 AM
I would like to help care for my mom- she is considering moving here but it is a difficult choice because 1) she has 3 kids that are her friend's, they were her friend's sister's kids but the situation was so bad they were taken out & my mom's friend adopted them. However the woman is not really up to dealing with them, it's not a great situation- my mother is what makes it fairly o.k. (it was either that, or the kids get split up- that's why foster care allowed it). She doesn't want to leave the kids, they need her- the oldest is 7. Also 2) the climate & air quality there is good for her health, whereas here the climate & air quality is bad for her health.

However I am her only family, and she could get into an apartment community here that is all handicapped accessible, & would be a very good place for her-

As it is, she is in Hawaii, all I can do is call her sometimes. :(

My father is out of the picture, literally always has been, 100%. Except for one negative episode when I was in my late 20's. Neither one of us has any interest in seeing the other, I think. I suppose I will send word via his relatives (I'm in contact with one of them) that I forgive him & am willing to help him if he needs help, however, last time I knew, he is NOT the kind you can let around kids, if you get my drift. Not a lot of contact is going to happen. In my view, as long as I'm polite to him, and make sure he has a roof over his head and food to eat, and pray for him, my obligation is fulfilled.

You know, I haven't listened to Dr. Laura in a long time but she would speak of cases where parents do things so hideous, that they "tore up their parent card". I think we still owe them politeness & a roof over their head & food & medical care, but involvement in your life? That's an earned priviledge.

ddc101
07-27-2004, 10:07 AM
Sister Caya,
You have a unique circumstance I believe.lv you.sis.c

LilOrphanAnnie
07-27-2004, 10:43 AM
Sister Caya,
You have a unique circumstance I believe.lv you.sis.cHahaha! I pray that that is so! Let it be very, very rare!!! :) (although, I can name at least 3 women who don't contact their parents because of hideous abuse & dysfunctionalness, the kind that will reach in and poison your life, on the parents' parts, and a few others who have forgiven & try to make it work, but it wasn't good to begin with, at all. I wish it was more rare.)

Abigail4476
07-27-2004, 11:39 AM
In this day and age? Parents "tearing up their parent card" is increasingly common.

I agree that we are to honor our parents, and do whatever it takes to care for them once they can no longer care for themselves. However, some parents have severed relationships with their children because they have done terrible things.

In those cases, children don't need to be encouraged to pursue a potentially damaging relationship.

ddc101
07-27-2004, 12:12 PM
Hahaha! I pray that that is so! Let it be very, very rare!!! :) (although, I can name at least 3 women who don't contact their parents because of hideous abuse & dysfunctionalness, the kind that will reach in and poison your life, on the parents' parts, and a few others who have forgiven & try to make it work, but it wasn't good to begin with, at all. I wish it was more rare.)
Thats terrible sister.I admit every family has a few quirks off and I do hear bad stories but not all are like what you have mentioned about your dad.Sad to hear that.I grew up with my dad telling me stories to put me to sleep.I am blessed that he was not a child abuser.lv sis.c

FedwaySHE
08-03-2004, 06:28 PM
Sister Cooper thank you for starting this thread. Of late, i've been listening to a couple of talk radio shows and would you believe their topic was "Honouring thy Father and Mother?" talk about a double confirmation.

I'm not here to gab about my childhood or anything, so I'll try to be as optomistic as possible. One thing that i have learned growing up in my particular family is trust in God. We were far from God, however in DIRE times of need, we were never to ashamed to pray for help, no matter how deep in trouble we had been. For a long time, I was fighting the spirit of this new generation, that teaches young children and young adults to DIShonour their parents. and for a long time i believed the lies that I knew better. That in itself could atone for all the health problems that i've been going through (tongue in cheek).

However, while it is difficult for me to honour my parents, the Lord has been helping me to see them with different eyes. Although I do not agree with their chosen lifestyles, I pray for them daily and am not totally callous when I speak with them. If there is ever a time in the future where they are no longer able to care for themselves, I pray that God would help me to remember His grace and love towards me.

They say confession is good for the soul. Well, I guess this is what it is hehehe.... But thank you ever much for posting this thread. Its a lot to think about! :)

ddc101
08-04-2004, 12:49 AM
Thank you sister.I need prayer for myself and my dad.He is getting more and more childish.I do love him and I understand that he is feeling powerless.That happens as an elderly parent gets more dependant on a son or daughter.To those who are going through this know that you are not alone.I am going through it as well.I went through a mama with alzheimers and now we have dad who is eighty four and getting more and more dependant on us.lv sis.c

celeste
08-04-2004, 03:45 AM
This is a great thread Sis.Cooper..
It brought a lot of humbling to be able to realize that it is not just the real
father and mother to be honored. A lot of children grew up with step fathers as well as step mothers, respect and honour are also due to them.
Step parents deserve these kind of respect as well as the real parents.
These are the values that would be instilled to children in this generation.
My mother used to remind me to always respect the older people whether they're your parents or not.

We just got back from visiting my parents. We long to see them after a while that we have moved away from them. That gave us a chance to talk about Jesus again, our Provider, ultimate Healer and our Savior.

My opinion is whether we agree with them or not, even inspite of their lifestyles or beliefs,they are still our parents.
I believe that respect and honour are still due to them.

honoring my parents.....and sharing good thoughts.....
celeste

SimoneDeLorean
10-23-2004, 09:36 PM
I for one would love to see pentecostal assisted living communities for those who have no children or family to see to them.

This is what I had in mind when I asked about Intentional Communities for Apostolics.
I think it would be awesome.

ddc101
10-24-2004, 12:27 AM
Amen.I hear that one of the Baton Rouge UPC churches now operates assisted living.My husband says that we should some day buy up alot of property and let some of the elders live out their days in peace and rest.He feels that some would preach until the day they die if given a chance and that would be so good for them and the Lord would be pleased.lv sis.c

LilOrphanAnnie
10-24-2004, 01:29 PM
I got angry at my mom one day- I was distracted with a ton of stuff & going through a hard time, and she called. We talked & I asked how she was, & it's the usual- not complaining, but telling me how her electric wheelchair can't get fixed because it's old, because this person left this department, and this red tape, and that red tape, and on and on and on. Her life has always been the sort of life where you have to wonder what Greek god she ticked off, because it is always falling apart, always life is dumping on her, and it's always perfectly "valid" reasons why it is like this. For years and years and years on end. Well that day I just blew up at her, got angry, told her she wasn't standing up for herself, and I just couldn't handle it, and hung up.

The other day, though, I wrote her. I basically told her that I was sorry for acting that way, but that I feel she was a genuine victim in her childhood, but she was continuing the role ever since. I gave her an example proving that it has always been like that, since I was young. I said I simply couldn't accept that there wasn't some amount of self-will involved in her being in a living hell for years and years on end. I told her that I was willing to help her however I could- in helping her find a means of income (she is on SSI), in brainstorming to help her find a way to get her needs met, etc. However I said, I was NOT willing to listen to her be a "victim". (I forget exactly how I put the last part, but that is what I said.)

That is my testimony. To the best of my knowledge, that is honoring my parent- that and praying for them. She lives in Hawaii so I cannot visit (hey God? wanna give me another source of income??) and tend to her physical needs- but this is the best I can do to help, and encourage her to be an actual person instead of a victim.

tufluv
10-24-2004, 02:45 PM
I got angry at my mom one day- I was distracted with a ton of stuff & going through a hard time, and she called. We talked & I asked how she was, & it's the usual- not complaining, but telling me how her electric wheelchair can't get fixed because it's old, because this person left this department, and this red tape, and that red tape, and on and on and on. Her life has always been the sort of life where you have to wonder what Greek god she ticked off, because it is always falling apart, always life is dumping on her, and it's always perfectly "valid" reasons why it is like this. For years and years and years on end. Well that day I just blew up at her, got angry, told her she wasn't standing up for herself, and I just couldn't handle it, and hung up.

The other day, though, I wrote her. I basically told her that I was sorry for acting that way, but that I feel she was a genuine victim in her childhood, but she was continuing the role ever since. I gave her an example proving that it has always been like that, since I was young. I said I simply couldn't accept that there wasn't some amount of self-will involved in her being in a living hell for years and years on end. I told her that I was willing to help her however I could- in helping her find a means of income (she is on SSI), in brainstorming to help her find a way to get her needs met, etc. However I said, I was NOT willing to listen to her be a "victim". (I forget exactly how I put the last part, but that is what I said.)

That is my testimony. To the best of my knowledge, that is honoring my parent- that and praying for them. She lives in Hawaii so I cannot visit (hey God? wanna give me another source of income??) and tend to her physical needs- but this is the best I can do to help, and encourage her to be an actual person instead of a victim.
I understand you blowing up like that...that attitude of "poor me" and its always someone else's fault..is counter-productive.
People need to have some back-bone, take responsibility and use the brains the good LORD gave 'em. My mom is kinda like that sometimes...she complains a lot about she never goes anywhere, stuff like that...but she refused to learn to drive..she was almost there, {when I was a teen} but chickened out, saying it just made her too nervous!
Then, Ive invited her to umpteen womens seminars, fellowships, conferences etc., and always has said NO.
And yet her teen daughter can get her drivers license on her 16th birthday! :grumble:
Yeah, that was me. :D

She bullies my dad so bad..and he is not well physically.
So at times, I feel so sorry for him. She is of little help to him, has never worked..I've told her time and again, she can do volunteer work if nothing else., serve the LORD somehow but says that she already does! :goof:
:confused: :shrug:
Instead she takes on her great-grand kids to practically raise., giving my dad even more stress, when he should be able to enjoy his golden years. He is disabled., {a bad leg} but has to drive around after her whims. *sigh*
Its so sad. He's not used to just being home useless.. he worked hard all his life., and tries to keep busy, which drives her nuts. Putting up with spoiled brats drives him nuts. Its a no-win situation over there, I can't hardly stand being there and watching all this., and I don't DARE say anything about all that I have to watch my testimony..it would just start another WWIII and they'd wind up taking a side against me as always - besides I did of lot of yelling at her back when I was in the world and under the influence of whatever..I feel bad for that now..don't wanna repeat it.

Anyway, that is MY version of blowing off steam, LOL!
Yet I love them..and do my best to support them as they have little $$. Its not fair that they are having to use what little $ they have to help support the kids that their lazy mom [my niece] won't do., and even my younger brother, the musician...he lives there on and off-won't give them a dime without a big fight. My other two brothers live in other towns, and couldn't care less. For reasons like this..I wouldn't mind being "rich" $$-wise so I could help out more..they need a new car badly and their back porch is so in need of replacing. There are many elderly folks I'd love to be able to help out as well.

It then falls upon ME., to help my parents out, we live right behind each other (lol) and my husband..doesn't mind helping out, I just pray to GOD to help me help them..they are trini's .. if ONLY they'd get right with GOD, and quit rejecting the acts2:38 message. :grumble:
That is the ONE thing that could make the biggest change in their lives.

ddc101
10-24-2004, 06:29 PM
Amen Sister Tufluv,
Your showing love and true christianity is the balm of mercy being applied and what will win them.

I wanted to share that I have a cousin who argued with her mom for years.When she got saved its the first thing God repaired.Now she has moved far away and oh...does her mom miss her.Thank the Lord.
The Lord helped me to lead my mom his way.He also restored our relationship.God is good and he can do it.lv sis.c

SimoneDeLorean
10-25-2004, 09:33 PM
There are many elderly folks I'd love to be able to help out as well.
Wouldn't it be GREAT if we could do that by providing community for them? I know alot of people can't tolerate being close quarters with their parents because of what happened when they were young - and perhaps rightfully so - but for those of us who weren't there, that wouldn't play a part.
Oh how I long for my children to be around elderly people, to have a sense of family.
There are so many wonderful elderly people, full of wisdom. But their voices are not heard by those who need it the most....young folks like my kids.

I don't have a relationship with my Mother at all.
I simply will not be abused. I will not be abused by her.

I don't have any feelings towards her, one way or the other. But that is what happens when you are unloved by your own Mother. You either live or die; you either get on with life or you are destroyed.......you do not hate because hate signifies involvement and I have no tie to her whatsoever.
I'm completely neutral.....I let my kids see her but she and I don't speak.

Her behavior is shameful but of course she finds a way to justify it. I don't care....

tufluv
10-25-2004, 10:26 PM
Wouldn't it be GREAT if we could do that by providing community for them? I know alot of people can't tolerate being close quarters with their parents because of what happened when they were young - and perhaps rightfully so - but for those of us who weren't there, that wouldn't play a part.
Oh how I long for my children to be around elderly people, to have a sense of family.
There are so many wonderful elderly people, full of wisdom. But their voices are not heard by those who need it the most....young folks like my kids.

I don't have a relationship with my Mother at all.
I simply will not be abused. I will not be abused by her.

I don't have any feelings towards her, one way or the other. But that is what happens when you are unloved by your own Mother. You either live or die; you either get on with life or you are destroyed.......you do not hate because hate signifies involvement and I have no tie to her whatsoever.
I'm completely neutral.....I let my kids see her but she and I don't speak.

Her behavior is shameful but of course she finds a way to justify it. I don't care....

Your'e not alone, I've run the gamut of emotions towards my parents, I was much abused as a teen., I never felt loved, nor have they ever loved my children..my sons don't know what its like to have a grandparents love 'cept for their dad's mom.. yet I do still pray for my parents, remembering that we must honor them no matter what, they do so need the peace of GOD., nowadays I just feel sadness for them.

I've always been one to try to figure out why people act as they do, and if you look far back or deep enough, you can see where certain patterns of behavior have been recycling for generations even. Generations without the TRUTH of GOD, HIS love, HIS mercy...and what we are to do in response to all that. People can be unwitting victims of a cycle that just repeats itself., unless GOD intervenes., and/or someone reaches out in response to GOD, and STOPS that vicious cycle with HIS love and mercy.
I remember when my grandmother died...my dad had a similar sentiment as you expressed about your mom. He said he felt "nothing" when she died., and same for his father. :shrug:

GOD has helped me so much in analyzing my feelings about all that is way past..and more, is STILL helping me learn to forgive/forget, {I was'nt always the best daughter neither :D } and look forward to growing closer and closer to the ONE true love of MY life..and my eternity with HIM..HE never left me nor forsook me...and never will. :bow:

SimoneDeLorean
10-25-2004, 10:53 PM
I think this sort of thing may be more pervasive than people think.


Some cannot understand why my Mother and I do not have a relationship. It puzzles them. There is simply nothing there....I don't have a grudge against her. I feel nothing.

I did make an overture towards her last Christmas....which she rebuffed....

People (very close friends of mine) who know that we don't speak think it is so odd. I suppose, to them, it is. You think of "Mother" and the first thing that should come to mind is "unconditional love."

I have two children. There is NOTHING they could do that would turn me against them. I would give my life for either one of them. Be they murderers, whatever....I would never sever my ties with them! I love them dearly.
Yet, I do understand why my mother acts the way she does.

However, that doesn't make any difference - I simply refuse to be mistreated any further.
I had a lifetime of it and you just get tired of it.

At some point you have to forget, forgive, and move forward with your life.

I'm a much happier person since she and I have lost contact.

Abigail4476
10-26-2004, 11:38 AM
In cases where parents have abused their children (physically, verbally, sexually, emotionally), I do not believe that "honouring" your parents means you have to have an ongoing relationship with them. I do believe that you have to forgive them, but that is for your own sake. I don't mean forgive as in, "let them off the hook", but forgive as in, "let yourself off the hook." Bishop T.D. Jakes appeared on Oprah last week, and he said (about forgiveness) that forgiveness is all about cutting the ties that bind you to the past. It's about moving on, and leaving the bitterness, anger and hurt behind you. It's about not allowing the person who hurt you to control your feelings and ultimately your life, even though you're no longer living at home or near them.

My brother-in-law has went through a real struggle due to the severe abuse perpetrated upon him by his father, and the hurt caused by his mother not stepping in to stop the abuse or help him in any way. He is 35 years old, and he is still having difficulty with this. Now, I ask you, what would it mean for my brother-in-law to "honour" his parents? Does he have to go visit them? Does he have to hug his father? Does he have to put himself in situations where his father can open old wounds and say ugly things that will hurt him all over again? I don't think that's the definition of honouring. I think he needs to:

1. Forgive them (that is, let go of the emotions that are holding him hostage)
2. Try to move on (easier said than done)
3. Keep just enough contact to make sure his parents have food & shelter
4. If his parents should ever become invalid, he should arrange for their care and make sure they are cared for, but I don't think it is necessary that he care for them himself.

Now, we all know that this is practical. But let me add this: I have seen GOD take scarred relationships that were hopeless and heal both parties, and totally change the lives of the parents and children. That is always possible, but God is the only one who can bring this sort of miracle to pass. We cannot expect a child who has been abused to try to "work a miracle" themselves by being overly magnanimous to parents who don't care one way or the other.

Forgiveness is not the equivalent of releasing someone from the consequences of their wrongdoing. That is mercy. Forgiveness and mercy can go hand in hand, but they shouldn't be confused with each other.

SimoneDeLorean
10-27-2004, 01:29 AM
Excellent post. :tup:

ddc101
10-27-2004, 08:11 AM
Amen Sisters.Thats some good stuff.Hey I did not know T.D.Jakes was on Oprah.Its hard to see the neighbors tv sometimes when the door is shut and the lens on my binoclurs cloud up...lol...lv sis.c

homemom
11-01-2004, 02:03 PM
My husband and I deal with tis alot also.

When we had our daughter my husband found out that his father sexually abused both of his sisters for years. (No he did not hurt our daughter.) My husband had remembered walking in on his dad and his sister when he was 7 and didn't understand it. He asked and found out it went on for years. He beat them also. No one stopped it and many people knew about it.

He confronted his dad and man ws he defensive. Said what he did in his own house was his own business and because they were steps it didn't matter.:cry: :wah: :lame: :eek: :grumble: :icon_craz :realmad: :flame: :flame:

(lots of emotion here)

All this happened while they all attended a UPC church. Not that that had anything to do with it. And I'm sure the pastor didn't know what was happening. (Too bad.)

DH asked his dad to get counseling and get rid of his porn and repent if he wanted a realtionship with us. Well he didn't and we don't (have realtionship.)

We have forgiven him and will be civil when we see them if it comes up but we do not go around them for holidays or for visiting.

My husband is the only one of his siblings that stayed in the church and he feels responsible for all his family coming to the Lord. He stood up for his sisters when he finally was old enough to do it and he protected us. It tears him appart to not be able to have a relationship with his parents but knows that it is their sin that they dedcided they loved.

If it came down to caring for them in their later years I think it would have to be some kind of care facility but I bet it would be my husband paying for it and not the other kids. And that is fine with me.

If I could take this burden off my husband I would do it in a heartbeat but I can't.

Its more common than we all want to realize. The world is a wicked place which is why the church must be a light.

Now we will gladly let my parents live with us. They let us live with them for 3 years when we were first married. My husband got to see what a family was all about. It was hard sometimes but mostly it was good.

These are hard situations but we are still trying to learn to deal with them in the biblical way.

homemom
11-01-2004, 02:06 PM
BTW one of the biggest things that helped heal us was talking about it. To trusted people and being honest about all of it. Feelings, acts, whatever. The darkness had no hold on us when it was brought into the light.


Food for thought.