survivor4christ
04-11-2003, 07:43 PM
Grace and Peace, all!
From reading a couple of the other threads, I felt a need to start a thread that talked about the need for doctrine...
Read what the Lord said about doctrine below...
Deuteronomy 32
1 Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth.
2 My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:
3 Because I will publish the name of the LORD: ascribe ye greatness unto our God.
We hear so many songs that proclaims we need God to rain on us. I remember one song in particular that goes, "God of mercy, God of love, rain on us from heaven above..." (John P. Kee).
Another song..."Whatchya lookin' for, I'm the one you're lookin' for. Whatchya searchin' for, you don't have to look no more...rain down on me, let it fall on me..."(Kirk Franklin and the Family)
These songs are by contemporary Christian artists and I have to say that when I hear rain in this context it is mostly in circles that do not believe in or preach the importance of SOUND doctrine.
What can be called sound doctrine?
Doctrine that lines up with all of the Word of God. Period. Precept upon precept. Line upon line. No scripture is explained away, deleted, ignored, or avoided. For ALL scripture is good for doctrine.
In the scriptures above, God is saying that the 'rain' we long for, that we await, will come from sound doctrine. Not hoopla, not hype, not excitement, not even the teaching of right vs. wrong. Because what good is it if we preach what is right and what is wrong, and then offer no real solution to the age old question of how can we do what is right.
By the Spirit of God. The rain in a lot of church settings is being taught and is believed to be the shout, the praise, the dance, the pep rally. But according to the scriptures above, God will rain down doctrine as dew upon the earth. Showers on the grass, that will cause IMPARTATION, CONCEPTION and GROWTH, not merely stimulation.
That is what teaching w/o doctrine does: merely stimulates us. Makes us aware of our sinful state. In Romans 6-7, we are presented with our sinfulness. We are told we are under grace, but b/c of such, are we to continue in sin so that grace abounds? Of course not, we then become servants of sin. And we are dead to sin. In Romans 6:17, "But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you." Later in chapter 7, we are told the commandments, the law, was put there to make us aware of our sinful state. It is also mentioned that the law, devoid, or, at the time of the writing of the scripture, incomplete doctrine, was not able to deliver the sin sick soul from damnation. It is later exclaimed in verse 24, "O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?"
That is the cry of every person where sound doctrine is not being taught and embraced.
"How can I be delivered? How can I be saved, and really know I am saved? How can I be filled to overflowing with more of God?"
It begins with the implantation of truth, of sound doctrine. It continues with sound doctrine, too, but it originates with the seed of truth.
If one is in a setting where truth, the WHOLE truth, sound doctrine is not being taught, then one will not be saved, delivered, or filled. You're just going through the motions.
The Bible says we must worship God in Spirit and in Truth. Anything else is hype. Emotion. Excitement. Stuff that appeals to how it makes one feels. That is sensory, soulish and not of the Lord. We need to be led of the Spirit of God, and then allow that Spirit of the Lord to regenerate us, renew us, refresh and revive us.
Yes...
The Spirit of God will make us feel. God is touched by the feelings of our infirmities. But when the whole service, the whole program is nothing but "God is good, and, "He is worthy to be praised" and "God is ready to bless you" then that is soulish worship, which feels good but is not acceptable or good unto the Lord.
If we continue to go to church and be pumped up, pep rallied, have three hours of exhortation, then we leave dry, empty, unrefreshed, unregenerated, unchanged. Immature.
Unsaved...
This is not the will of God.
We are commanded in Timothy to preach the Word in season and out, for there will come a time when man will not endure sound doctrine. No wonder so many who sing 'gospel' are not effecting a great change. No one sings about doctrine anymore. What it really takes to be saved. About being born again. Not in mainstream Christian music anyway. This is why they sing these songs about rain falling down on us.
Jesus has already rained on us. When we shed His Blood at Calvary, the rain fell. When He rose on the third day and filled all in the Upper room with the Holy Ghost, He rained on us. When He commanded us to be buried with HIM in baptism in the matchless name of Jesus Christ, He rained down blessings on us.
We just need to be taught, or reminded of that.
That rain of sound doctrine will fill the hungry soul. Will deliver the bound. Will heal the sick. Will save the lost. Will bring down the presence of God. Will fill those caught in the rut of religion and 'doctrines of men' with new wine.
Oh, that God will reveal to more of mankind the need for sound doctrine! He wants to publish HIS name, as stated in the scripture above.
Sound doctrine is not divisive, it is redemptive!
Any thoughts, saints?
Love, Sis. Wenona
From reading a couple of the other threads, I felt a need to start a thread that talked about the need for doctrine...
Read what the Lord said about doctrine below...
Deuteronomy 32
1 Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth.
2 My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:
3 Because I will publish the name of the LORD: ascribe ye greatness unto our God.
We hear so many songs that proclaims we need God to rain on us. I remember one song in particular that goes, "God of mercy, God of love, rain on us from heaven above..." (John P. Kee).
Another song..."Whatchya lookin' for, I'm the one you're lookin' for. Whatchya searchin' for, you don't have to look no more...rain down on me, let it fall on me..."(Kirk Franklin and the Family)
These songs are by contemporary Christian artists and I have to say that when I hear rain in this context it is mostly in circles that do not believe in or preach the importance of SOUND doctrine.
What can be called sound doctrine?
Doctrine that lines up with all of the Word of God. Period. Precept upon precept. Line upon line. No scripture is explained away, deleted, ignored, or avoided. For ALL scripture is good for doctrine.
In the scriptures above, God is saying that the 'rain' we long for, that we await, will come from sound doctrine. Not hoopla, not hype, not excitement, not even the teaching of right vs. wrong. Because what good is it if we preach what is right and what is wrong, and then offer no real solution to the age old question of how can we do what is right.
By the Spirit of God. The rain in a lot of church settings is being taught and is believed to be the shout, the praise, the dance, the pep rally. But according to the scriptures above, God will rain down doctrine as dew upon the earth. Showers on the grass, that will cause IMPARTATION, CONCEPTION and GROWTH, not merely stimulation.
That is what teaching w/o doctrine does: merely stimulates us. Makes us aware of our sinful state. In Romans 6-7, we are presented with our sinfulness. We are told we are under grace, but b/c of such, are we to continue in sin so that grace abounds? Of course not, we then become servants of sin. And we are dead to sin. In Romans 6:17, "But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you." Later in chapter 7, we are told the commandments, the law, was put there to make us aware of our sinful state. It is also mentioned that the law, devoid, or, at the time of the writing of the scripture, incomplete doctrine, was not able to deliver the sin sick soul from damnation. It is later exclaimed in verse 24, "O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?"
That is the cry of every person where sound doctrine is not being taught and embraced.
"How can I be delivered? How can I be saved, and really know I am saved? How can I be filled to overflowing with more of God?"
It begins with the implantation of truth, of sound doctrine. It continues with sound doctrine, too, but it originates with the seed of truth.
If one is in a setting where truth, the WHOLE truth, sound doctrine is not being taught, then one will not be saved, delivered, or filled. You're just going through the motions.
The Bible says we must worship God in Spirit and in Truth. Anything else is hype. Emotion. Excitement. Stuff that appeals to how it makes one feels. That is sensory, soulish and not of the Lord. We need to be led of the Spirit of God, and then allow that Spirit of the Lord to regenerate us, renew us, refresh and revive us.
Yes...
The Spirit of God will make us feel. God is touched by the feelings of our infirmities. But when the whole service, the whole program is nothing but "God is good, and, "He is worthy to be praised" and "God is ready to bless you" then that is soulish worship, which feels good but is not acceptable or good unto the Lord.
If we continue to go to church and be pumped up, pep rallied, have three hours of exhortation, then we leave dry, empty, unrefreshed, unregenerated, unchanged. Immature.
Unsaved...
This is not the will of God.
We are commanded in Timothy to preach the Word in season and out, for there will come a time when man will not endure sound doctrine. No wonder so many who sing 'gospel' are not effecting a great change. No one sings about doctrine anymore. What it really takes to be saved. About being born again. Not in mainstream Christian music anyway. This is why they sing these songs about rain falling down on us.
Jesus has already rained on us. When we shed His Blood at Calvary, the rain fell. When He rose on the third day and filled all in the Upper room with the Holy Ghost, He rained on us. When He commanded us to be buried with HIM in baptism in the matchless name of Jesus Christ, He rained down blessings on us.
We just need to be taught, or reminded of that.
That rain of sound doctrine will fill the hungry soul. Will deliver the bound. Will heal the sick. Will save the lost. Will bring down the presence of God. Will fill those caught in the rut of religion and 'doctrines of men' with new wine.
Oh, that God will reveal to more of mankind the need for sound doctrine! He wants to publish HIS name, as stated in the scripture above.
Sound doctrine is not divisive, it is redemptive!
Any thoughts, saints?
Love, Sis. Wenona