Torn Betweem Two houses

[florahall]

I have a 5 years old son that is torn between two houses, and being the victim of the ugly divorce of the father that commit adultery and fornication and got the custody of my son because of his lies and the power of his lawyer in the court. My son and me see each other twice a month for only 24 hours or an over night stay with me. It is a night mare for both of us everytime he has to go back to his dad house. I pitty my son and break my heart and his heart everytime we depart from each other. My son will always beg me not to return him to his dad house. He cry, he beg, he hold on to the stairs, doors or anything that he could hold for him not to go out from my house. I have to talk to him that he need to go back or else his dad will call again the police and put me in trouble again. He does not understand why I have to send him back to his father house. My son is emotionally abuse by his dad for taken away from me. He is been abuse by the other children on the household and been abuse also emotionally by the woman that the father is living in . My son had complain that the woman is always mad at him and shout at him and he said that he is scared of his dad and the woman. I called the CPS and the police but they said that as long as the child has no broken bones it is not considered abuse. My son is emotionally disturb and getting skinny everytime i see him and i cannot even bring him to the doctor with out his approval. It is getting harder for me and my son every time we see each other as he is wondering why he has to stay with his dad. My son is expose to the wickedness of the father and the woman and yet they claim that they have the holy ghost and claim that he is a pastor and the woman claim that she is now the pastors wife. This man and a woman filed for marriage licence on april 12 2004 to cover up the sin and i hope that god will bless them on their marriage and will not be curse by God. I just need a prayer for my son and me that we will be united completely and he will be back home soon with the grace and help of our almighty Father. My son deserve to be happy and be raise by a mother that love him not by the fornicator and adulterer. My son deserve to be raise in a Godly and loving home. He does not deserve to be abuse of any kind. i have ask him from God and he was given to me and i dedicate him to Jesus. My son is the child of God. Anybody that will hurt
him will be curse by God for he is his child.
Ladies in GNC please pray for my son to be back to me as he needed his mother. My son speach also is getting worst, and he is alsmost 6 years old but he talk like a 3 years old. I am really concern of his growth, his health, physical and mental , ewmotional and that he is not seeing any doctor for the father does not believe in doctor. Children need physical and and dentist and he is not been taking care off, and most of all he need to be in church. My son told me he miss the church and his friends in sunday school.
Ladies if you could join me in our prayer start tomorrow at noon time for 5 minutes , I am sure that God will hear us on our request. I am asking two weeks prayer and not only my son but also other children that run away from their parents. There are 3 teenage children in our church that run away, and also pray for them. Thank you very much, and praise the lord.

Sister Flora Hall

[Naomi]

Sis. Hall, I'm not trying to scare you, but you need to take action today. This exact thing happened to my son. He would hold on to things and not let go when his Father came to pick him up. He would cry and beg to stay with me. I called CPS and they came to my home when my son was there. They interviewed him and found out there was verbal and sexual abuse going on in his Father's home. You do not have to put up with this. Demand that CPS do their job. You also need to contact a lawyer and start custody procedures. Common sense says the child should be removed from that home. If you can't afford a lawyer, look in the phone book under attorneys and there are referral services that will help you for free. Please don't let this continue another day.

[ApostolicLady]

Naomi
I myself work for CPS. I know in Illinois the way to get proceedings started is call the child abuse and neglect hotline. You have to have specific dates and times of events that has taken place.

However,You cannot just call the hotline and demand they do something.If that were so we would have enemies simply calling on each other for spite.I understand our children are our most precious gifts.

Probubly the best thing for Sis Flora to do would be to call her local office and ask to talk to an intake worker and explain the situation. Nothing can be done at the local office such as an investigation.However they can direct you in what needs to be done next.
If they think it requires an investigation they will further direct you in the proper channels to get that started

[florahall]

Dear Sister in christ,
I thank you for your reply and advice, I was very scared to post anything about this I dont want to be banned in GNC. I dont post that much but I do read and learn a lot from defferent people that post on defferent thread. I am also careful to what thread and post that I am going to read. There are a lot of false doctrine and false openion.
I would like to write the whole story of my trials in life and I will post it here at GNC. I am praying for it , becasue I am scared and nervous about it . I want the truth to come out and it will affect the judge, cps, police, lawyers, family court services and the agency that do my evaluation on the first place. I will re open the case, and air it to the national TV. I dont want scandal in my life and it is not right and good for us that claim to be a christian and claim to have a holy ghost to put somebody in court. I learn on my more than one year trial in court that we christian as long as we tell the truth we are not heard at the court room. There is no justice of christian in the court room. Court room is for liars and wicked. They don't care if they will ruin the life of the children . In the court room , who ever is the best liar and who ever is the most wicked will win. I feel that when I am in that place , I am in the lake of fire. I cannot stand to be in the court room anymore, so I decided to give up and let God handle the situation, but when you see your son abuse and pain and hurt, I cannot stand to just ignore it, so even in the lake of fire I will go protect and save my son. I see all the pain that my son is having, the father that does not have any affiction at all to him and just love money and flesh and revence and to collect money from child support, does not see and care the feeling of my son. I know there are a lot of children and mothers that is in the same situation as mine and even worst, that is why i ask for all mothers to join me in our prayers at noon time for 5 minutes for me and my son , that God will bring my son back to me and give me the wisdom and guide me what to do next. My only hope is my God that I serve.
The father and the woman that he is living in is a liar, and a convicted felon thief and teach my son to lie. All the children that living in that household was teach to lie. There are many times that children are left alone in the house with out adult supervision , while the father and the woman has to go out to make money by scamming elderly .
So when he is home for a short period of time, I have to teach him and tell him that lying is a sin and Jesus is not happy if the child lie. I do believe that my son is vervaly abuse and sexually abuse in that household as he see the sexual activity in that household. I did reported it to the police and the cps but they ignore it for they said there is not much of the evidence of the abuse. Again my son is not talking that much and cannot not talk fluently. I am hiring a new lawyer to file for the appeal and reconsideration of the judgement of the court. Please help me pray to find the right lawyer that will handle this case. If it is Gods will that I have to go back to court, This will be my last hope. Again I give everything to him and I surrender my life to him and I let him handle my situation. I still believe that God will hear me and answer the cry for justice . There is no justice for christian in the court of law, but I am hoping that God will make a way for all of this things that is going on in my life. I give up my life for my children, I give up everything for my children, and I am ready for what God want me to do. Please pray for me.

Sister Flora Hall

[Sis]

Sis. Hall, I'm not trying to scare you, but you need to take action today. This exact thing happened to my son. He would hold on to things and not let go when his Father came to pick him up. He would cry and beg to stay with me. I called CPS and they came to my home when my son was there. They interviewed him and found out there was verbal and sexual abuse going on in his Father's home. You do not have to put up with this. Demand that CPS do their job. You also need to contact a lawyer and start custody procedures. Common sense says the child should be removed from that home. If you can't afford a lawyer, look in the phone book under attorneys and there are referral services that will help you for free. Please don't let this continue another day.I agree with all this AND get someone to video tape your son when he does this. There is nothing more powerful than a visual image of how much your son hates going back to his father's house. Get someone to video tape you two together, too, to show how well he does with you, then show how he cries and clings to things when he has to go back.

[survivor4christ]

Sis. Flora:

My heart goes out to you and your son. I know you know that this is an attack of the enemy. I understand where you are coming from when you say that there is no justice in the courts for Christians. It can seem that way, that the wicked gets their way and Christians are discriminated against...but also know this...

God is the God of justice! HE sits high and He looks low. And the Word says what is done in the darkness shall come to light. Any abuse or neglect of any kind rendered at the hands of your ex husband and his 'fiance' will be brought to light, and God will render due judgment. For whatsoever a man sows, that shall he also reap.

I know it is hard to sit back and watch your son go through this. But the most powerful weapon in your arsenal right now, sis., is PRAYER. We will pray with you and for you and the child. But believe that God hears you, and as you cry out for your son, He will protect him and deliver him! I have had dealings with CPS officials in the past and I can tell you this: God has ALWAYS taken care of my kids when they were not with me. NEVER did I lose custody of my kids, or give them up. But God always placed people in my life who helped me with them. I thank God for that. And when I cried and worried over their safety and souls, God always reassured me they were safe and in His care. He loves our children more than we do! Do you believe that?

And God is not going to allow this situation to fester and remain, believe that. If he does not repent and get it together, his dirty laundry will be aired out before all to see. And he will lose much more than his child. His ministry, his livelihood, his influence, all will be lost because he would not heed the voice of the Lord and b/c he mistreated that precious child. Woe, unto these who offend one of these my little ones! For it were better that a millstone would be hung around their neck...

The Word does not lie!!!

But focus not on his plight, God got it in control and is in charge of that. Pray for your baby, your piece of mind, for wisdom, and for favour. If you stand, you are going to see the salvation of the Lord in this situation! God is going to turn it around! Do all you can do: take the advice of the other sisters who posted. We will pray; you believe God is going to answer. Then watch Him MOVE!!!!

Hallelujah!!!

We love you, Sister and are praying for you!!!

Love,
Sis. Wenona

[ddc101]

Wow you sisters give some good advice.And legal advice to boot.That is so awesome.

Sister Flora I am praying for you.This sounds like a nightmare.lv sis.c

[lellingsworth]

I have a 5 years old son that is torn between two houses, and being the victim of the ugly divorce of the father that commit adultery and fornication and got the custody of my son because of his lies and the power of his lawyer in the court. My son and me see each other twice a month for only 24 hours or an over night stay with me. It is a night mare for both of us everytime he has to go back to his dad house. I pitty my son and break my heart and his heart everytime we depart from each other. My son will always beg me not to return him to his dad house. He cry, he beg, he hold on to the stairs, doors or anything that he could hold for him not to go out from my house. I have to talk to him that he need to go back or else his dad will call again the police and put me in trouble again. He does not understand why I have to send him back to his father house. My son is emotionally abuse by his dad for taken away from me. He is been abuse by the other children on the household and been abuse also emotionally by the woman that the father is living in . My son had complain that the woman is always mad at him and shout at him and he said that he is scared of his dad and the woman. I called the CPS and the police but they said that as long as the child has no broken bones it is not considered abuse. My son is emotionally disturb and getting skinny everytime i see him and i cannot even bring him to the doctor with out his approval. It is getting harder for me and my son every time we see each other as he is wondering why he has to stay with his dad. My son is expose to the wickedness of the father and the woman and yet they claim that they have the holy ghost and claim that he is a pastor and the woman claim that she is now the pastors wife. This man and a woman filed for marriage licence on april 12 2004 to cover up the sin and i hope that god will bless them on their marriage and will not be curse by God. I just need a prayer for my son and me that we will be united completely and he will be back home soon with the grace and help of our almighty Father. My son deserve to be happy and be raise by a mother that love him not by the fornicator and adulterer. My son deserve to be raise in a Godly and loving home. He does not deserve to be abuse of any kind. i have ask him from God and he was given to me and i dedicate him to Jesus. My son is the child of God. Anybody that will hurt
him will be curse by God for he is his child.
Ladies in GNC please pray for my son to be back to me as he needed his mother. My son speach also is getting worst, and he is alsmost 6 years old but he talk like a 3 years old. I am really concern of his growth, his health, physical and mental , ewmotional and that he is not seeing any doctor for the father does not believe in doctor. Children need physical and and dentist and he is not been taking care off, and most of all he need to be in church. My son told me he miss the church and his friends in sunday school.
Ladies if you could join me in our prayer start tomorrow at noon time for 5 minutes , I am sure that God will hear us on our request. I am asking two weeks prayer and not only my son but also other children that run away from their parents. There are 3 teenage children in our church that run away, and also pray for them. Thank you very much, and praise the lord.

Sister Flora Hall

Sister, my best advice to you is to get your son to begin to see a counselor. If the counselor feels that anything is going on out of ordinary disaster of divorce, their voice will hold more weight than yours and they are legally bound to report it. The courts and CPS will only listen to a counselor, a pastor, or teacher. Unfortunately, parental complaints don't mean much anymore. Document every single thing that your son tells you and the dates. If you don't think it is important, write it down anyway. Some day it will be. A good way to do this is on an extra calendar. Meanwhile, just pray, pray hard. You know the old saying, "Give them enough rope...."

[florahall]

Thank you sister for your prayers. Today at noon time I am not sure how many join with me for prayer, but i felt the move of God and I was shaking and my heartbeat was pounding double and that cause me to kneel in the floor and pray and cry to the lord to hear my cry for my son and to give me the wisdom what to do next. At 3:00 p.m. this afternoon, I have and appointment with my therapist on DV treatment program for my evaluation for i am almost finish the phase two of the treatment that i dont need it. May be you will ask me why I am in the treatment program for one year? Well the court order me with the request of my ex-husband that i need a one year DV treatment because I am violent and I am perpetuator becasue i slapped him when i cought him fornicating with my best friend and found him hiding in the garrage of my friend house. This was happen on March of last year, my ex- husband now called the police on me for slapping him and the woman also told the lie to the police . Both of them colaborated with their lie for them to get my son from me for that is the only way that he will not pay for the child support if he will get my son from me. My husband took my son in my house while sleeping that night while i was in the police station questioned by the police and stay in the jail for 12 hours for slapping him. My son was taken by him with out telling my mom and other people in the house that night and he took it like a thief. He actually kidnap my son, but the police said that it is not kidnap because he is the father and even if he did not live in my house anymore. The next day after 12 hours, i went to the court and they release me on not guilty, but i have to sign the offer of SOC , which I did not understand what are the consequences that i have to face.That morning, the woman and my husband was busy filling the restraining order for me for them to keep my son away from me. All of this was a plan of this two devil that claim to be Godly and claim to be a preacher and claim to be the man of God. Before this things happen my husband file for the divorce with the help of the woman or my best friend due to the reason that I refuse to withdraw the child support that I filed for him. the woman also were asking me why I am not filling a divorce for my husband if we are separated. I told her that I dont believe on divorce and it is against my belief, and I will never divorce my husband for I dont want to sin. That is what I answer her, But , I never know why she is asking me to divorce my husband at that time, but now I did understand that him and her were having an affair already while she was living in my house. I trust this woman as she was my friend and i have her stay in my house for 5 months with free board and logging with her two children.
The woman and my husband have an experience in dealing with the court system, as my husband has been in this kind of situation before, and the woman has two time experience of dealling with divorce and custody of the defferent men, and she has been in the court and jail for many many times becasue of the crime that she did, so she has a lot of experience in dealing with the court and how to get away with it and put somebody in trouble. I was a victim of the evilness of this two inhuman creature and I fall into their trap for them to get my son away from me and to ask me to pay for the child support. So because of that , I have to deal with the court, I have to deal with the restraining order and again this two inhuman creature, uses the system and uses their experience in dealing with the law and called the police 13th time for me that i violated the restraining order and I did spend 8, thousand dollars for the the lawyer to take care of it and thanks God all the 13thalledge violation he file where all dismiss and it is all a lie, but i have lost my son, because the family court services uses the alledge pending violation and I was labbled as violent woman and perpetuator for slapping him. Sister in crist, I will ask you this question. WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF YOU COUGHT YOUR HUSBAND FORNICATING WITH YOUR BEST FRIEND? WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF YOUR BEST FRIEND BETRAYED YOU?yOUR BEST FRIEND THAT YOU TRUST AND YOU HELP , LIE TO YOU AND HELP HER SELF TO FORNICATE WITH YOUR HUSBAND? THIS WOMAN GOE TO CHURCH WITH ME , AND EVEN SING IN THE CHOIR JUST FOR ONE TIME AND SHE IS ALREADY FORNICATING WITH MY HUSBAND AT THAT TIME. hOW DO YOU DEAL WITH THIS PROBLEM?
You know what I did? for one whole week i waited for my friend to come to me to tell me about what she is doing with my husband, but she pretended that she is enocent and she pretended that she is not doing wrong. But again this woman is an expert of doing this kind of sin and crime. she has been fornicating to defferent men in our church, both single and married men as long as they have money and she can get money from them. that is what she did to my husband seduce him and promise him that she could do better than me of supporting him. But any way that is the reason why I was in trouble for slapping him and my son was taken away from me.
My therapist believe that i dont need the treatment, and I am not a perpetuator or I am not violent base on her evaluation, but she did recomend for a 6 weeks class to learn how deal with emotional problem being a victim defendant. I am the victim not a perpetuator, but due to the call of my husban to the police and he did lie to them and again he knows what he is doing to get me in trouble. This is a man that claim to be a man of god and a pastor and a preacher and a man of the word of God that knows the bible.
This man put me to hell and my son, and took everything that i have, that I work for , for 18 years ever since I migrated here in United states.
I dont care of any material things that he took from me , but the precious ennocent child of mine that God has given me was taken also by him because of money and lust, and revence. My son is innocent he does not need to suffer to be awy from the mother or home that he only know, and now he has to live with the woman that betrayed his mother and the wicked father.
His life was torn apart since that day that his dad took him away from me.

Please continue to pray for me and my son everyday untill the end of this month at noon time for 5 minutes of your time. Praise the lord , and thank you everybody.

[lellingsworth]

Thank you sister for your prayers. Today at noon time I am not sure how many join with me for prayer, but i felt the move of God and I was shaking and my heartbeat was pounding double and that cause me to kneel in the floor and pray and cry to the lord to hear my cry for my son and to give me the wisdom what to do next. At 3:00 p.m. this afternoon, I have and appointment with my therapist on DV treatment program for my evaluation for i am almost finish the phase two of the treatment that i dont need it. May be you will ask me why I am in the treatment program for one year? Well the court order me with the request of my ex-husband that i need a one year DV treatment because I am violent and I am perpetuator becasue i slapped him when i cought him fornicating with my best friend and found him hiding in the garrage of my friend house. This was happen on March of last year, my ex- husband now called the police on me for slapping him and the woman also told the lie to the police . Both of them colaborated with their lie for them to get my son from me for that is the only way that he will not pay for the child support if he will get my son from me. My husband took my son in my house while sleeping that night while i was in the police station questioned by the police and stay in the jail for 12 hours for slapping him. My son was taken by him with out telling my mom and other people in the house that night and he took it like a thief. He actually kidnap my son, but the police said that it is not kidnap because he is the father and even if he did not live in my house anymore. The next day after 12 hours, i went to the court and they release me on not guilty, but i have to sign the offer of SOC , which I did not understand what are the consequences that i have to face.That morning, the woman and my husband was busy filling the restraining order for me for them to keep my son away from me. All of this was a plan of this two devil that claim to be Godly and claim to be a preacher and claim to be the man of God. Before this things happen my husband file for the divorce with the help of the woman or my best friend due to the reason that I refuse to withdraw the child support that I filed for him. the woman also were asking me why I am not filling a divorce for my husband if we are separated. I told her that I dont believe on divorce and it is against my belief, and I will never divorce my husband for I dont want to sin. That is what I answer her, But , I never know why she is asking me to divorce my husband at that time, but now I did understand that him and her were having an affair already while she was living in my house. I trust this woman as she was my friend and i have her stay in my house for 5 months with free board and logging with her two children.
The woman and my husband have an experience in dealing with the court system, as my husband has been in this kind of situation before, and the woman has two time experience of dealling with divorce and custody of the defferent men, and she has been in the court and jail for many many times becasue of the crime that she did, so she has a lot of experience in dealing with the court and how to get away with it and put somebody in trouble. I was a victim of the evilness of this two inhuman creature and I fall into their trap for them to get my son away from me and to ask me to pay for the child support. So because of that , I have to deal with the court, I have to deal with the restraining order and again this two inhuman creature, uses the system and uses their experience in dealing with the law and called the police 13th time for me that i violated the restraining order and I did spend 8, thousand dollars for the the lawyer to take care of it and thanks God all the 13thalledge violation he file where all dismiss and it is all a lie, but i have lost my son, because the family court services uses the alledge pending violation and I was labbled as violent woman and perpetuator for slapping him. Sister in crist, I will ask you this question. WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF YOU COUGHT YOUR HUSBAND FORNICATING WITH YOUR BEST FRIEND? WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF YOUR BEST FRIEND BETRAYED YOU?yOUR BEST FRIEND THAT YOU TRUST AND YOU HELP , LIE TO YOU AND HELP HER SELF TO FORNICATE WITH YOUR HUSBAND? THIS WOMAN GOE TO CHURCH WITH ME , AND EVEN SING IN THE CHOIR JUST FOR ONE TIME AND SHE IS ALREADY FORNICATING WITH MY HUSBAND AT THAT TIME. hOW DO YOU DEAL WITH THIS PROBLEM?
You know what I did? for one whole week i waited for my friend to come to me to tell me about what she is doing with my husband, but she pretended that she is enocent and she pretended that she is not doing wrong. But again this woman is an expert of doing this kind of sin and crime. she has been fornicating to defferent men in our church, both single and married men as long as they have money and she can get money from them. that is what she did to my husband seduce him and promise him that she could do better than me of supporting him. But any way that is the reason why I was in trouble for slapping him and my son was taken away from me.
My therapist believe that i dont need the treatment, and I am not a perpetuator or I am not violent base on her evaluation, but she did recomend for a 6 weeks class to learn how deal with emotional problem being a victim defendant. I am the victim not a perpetuator, but due to the call of my husban to the police and he did lie to them and again he knows what he is doing to get me in trouble. This is a man that claim to be a man of god and a pastor and a preacher and a man of the word of God that knows the bible.
This man put me to hell and my son, and took everything that i have, that I work for , for 18 years ever since I migrated here in United states.
I dont care of any material things that he took from me , but the precious ennocent child of mine that God has given me was taken also by him because of money and lust, and revence. My son is innocent he does not need to suffer to be awy from the mother or home that he only know, and now he has to live with the woman that betrayed his mother and the wicked father.
His life was torn apart since that day that his dad took him away from me.

Please continue to pray for me and my son everyday untill the end of this month at noon time for 5 minutes of your time. Praise the lord , and thank you everybody.

Sister, please remember this when you are walking through your fire.

Whoever has offended you, has offended God greater.

He will have to live with what he has done for the rest of his life. And so will your so called friend. There is a scripture in the bible somewhere that talks about the wrath unto a person who destroys a family. I don't know where it is. Don't worry about THEM. You just love your son, enjoy him when you can, and pray. God will make a way when there is no way, right?

If your counselor believes you don't need to be in counseling, have her write a recommendation to the court. But your son also needs to be in counseling so she can write a recommendation to the court about him.

My prayers go out to you, sister.

[tufluv]

OH sister Florahall, I weep for you what you are going through.
Joy comes in the morning.
That is all that seems to come to me right now, as I face my own nightmare.
Although it pales to what you are enduring.

Sister you are strong. Strong because the LORD drives you..is in you to love and protect you.
I know this whole scenario has hurt you deeply, moreso than anyone can ever comprehend. Only Jesus knows this type of betrayal better.
HE is the one whom is hurt most by anything that pains any of his lambs.

Please hang on sister, Jesus has a plan. HE excels in bringing good out of bad.
"..and we know that all things work together for good, to them who LOVE GOD..to those whom are the called according to HIS purposes"..Romans8:28.

I know the deepest part of any hurt is for a mother to not be able to be with her child, to care for him..and vice versa. I have experienced that briefly..which was still too-oo long..and also have been close to one girlfriend who went through a very similar ordeal. There is nothing sadder, and worse is that someone EVIL is getting away with murder (so to speak)..how cold-hearted and ugly for someone to do that to anyone., yet as long as EVIL exists due to the father of lies, this will continue. Its incomprehendably torturous.

BUT ..we know whom has already won..and we shall too, do NOT forget that., we are already VICTORIOUS in HIM, by HIM, through HIM..the enemy will have to flee and in a BIG way! You'll see...I'll see, and so will many whom have suffered before us..TO GOD BE THE GLORY!!

I will have you continually in my prayers, and your son as well. :bow:

[florahall]

Dear Sister lellingworth

My right was taken away from me. I cannot bring him to any therapist at all or any doctor with out his approval. He does not believe that my son need it. He said that my son is normal and healthy.I dont know what is normal and healthy for him. My son is almost 6 years old but talk like a 3 years old. He is skinny with bones on his shoulder showing up and you could see the ribs of my son on his skin. I am not allowed to go to his school and even know what he is doing in his class. I went there one time to check on him on the first week of school, but i was in trouble for doing it as the other woman of him was there following me , and she has a restraining order for me also. RThis woman told the cpouret that she is scared of me and she need a restraining order, but this woman is following me or she is always in my back to put me in trouble and called the police. They even move near my house. But then, told the court that they are scared of me, and my husband also ask for permanent reatraining order but ask the court also that he can come to my house to drop my son. i dont want him coming to my house, but because of the court order that he can come to drop my son on visit, then he is coming. what kind of system do we have? i have ask for restraining order in my behalf but It was denied. What kind of court system do we have? He even told the court that my therapist is not good and i am not learning anything and he did recomend me to go back to another therapist that is not a christian counselling. He does not want me to see my therapist because he believes that it is a christian counselling. the truth is I am seeing a therapist that is not a christian and I have to do it even if i dont need it but because of the court order i have to do it. I have everything documented . I have to video tape my son and tape the voice of him all what he said, but the court did not believe it because he said that i recorded it with out his knowledge. My son scream to death does not want to go with him and he has to force him to take him out in the car for he does not want to go with him, but the court says that they will not use it as an evidence because i recorded the incident without telling him that i am recording it. I have so much evidence, but court wont accept it and CPS says that unless there is no broken bones my son is not being abuse. " Oh? God when are you going to hear me and see what is going on? " that is what I said for i lost my hope and trust on our system. I dont trust the police anymore, for they also lie and colaborated the false report of my husband. I was judge wrongly because of my race. In my police report to them i was labeled as hispanic woman and I am not. there is a big defference between the hispanic and the asian. I am very asian chinese filipino blood, so i really dont look like hispanic but I was labeled as hispanic.
Sister, I lost my trust in our court, police, and i dont think there is justice for me and my son anymore. My only hope is my god that will do his miracle to me and him. My therapist today advice me to go back to court and she will help me in anyway that the court made a mistake of getting my son away from me and she will testify in my behalf and my son, but again I cannot bring my son to the counselor at all. He was given the full custody of my son and I cannot even bring him to church. He does not want me to bring him to church and he was able to change the day of visit to friday afternoon to saturday afternoon for my son not to be in church with me. My son is not in church and i have only few hours with him. It is only an over night stay. So my therapist told me today not to wait for the appeal, I have to write letter to the governor to ask help for i am a victim of descrimanation, abuse, and violence. So please help me pray that this is the way to open the door for me and my son. I have contacted the Refugee womens advocate and Asian family Advocate for help. I hope that this case will be open soon . The filipino comunity also will help so I need to be ready for this case to be out to the media and the judge, family court services, Cps, police and my lawyer who sold me to his lawyer will be invistegated by the media. Please continue to
pray for me and my son to be back to me soon. I dont want scandal or to be brought to media fo i dont want my son to be expose to the media but i have to do it for the sake of my son. I have nothing to hide, I did not do any crime at all. If I need to expose them on everything they do i have to do it. Buit again I am not sure about our system, it might just ruin my life more or it might open the door for me and my son. i want a normal peaceful life with my children. Praise the lord.

[Naomi]

Sis. Hall, Who told you you can't use the video tape as evidence? That is not true. It is a decision for the judge to make. Will your therapist be talking to a judge for you? If so, give her the video tape and maybe she can get the judge to watch it. Do you have separation or divorce papers saying you can't take your child to a doctor or therapist? I wish you would scan all the papers you have and post them here so we could see exactly what they say. I'm not trying to get into your business to be nosey, I really want to help you. My heart is grieving for your son. Do you have papers saying you can't go to your son's school? You are his Mother. Please call a lawyer. When I was going through this, an Apostolic police officer told me to take my son and leave the state. I was just about to do that and then I finally got a CPS officer to interview my son. I'm sure there will be people telling you to just pray and give it to God. You do need to continually pray, but you also have to take action. It's time to fight for your son.

[Abigail4476]

Sis. Hall, Who told you you can't use the video tape as evidence? That is not true. It is a decision for the judge to make. Will your therapist be talking to a judge for you? If so, give her the video tape and maybe she can get the judge to watch it. Do you have separation or divorce papers saying you can't take your child to a doctor or therapist? I wish you would scan all the papers you have and post them here so we could see exactly what they say. I'm not trying to get into your business to be nosey, I really want to help you. My heart is grieving for your son. Do you have papers saying you can't go to your son's school? You are his Mother. Please call a lawyer. When I was going through this, an Apostolic police officer told me to take my son and leave the state. I was just about to do that and then I finally got a CPS officer to interview my son. I'm sure there will be people telling you to just pray and give it to God. You do need to continually pray, but you also have to take action. It's time to fight for your son.
I believe if there was no other recourse, I would just do whatever it took to protect my son, even if that meant risking jailtime for "kidnapping." But Naomi is right; someone isn't telling you the truth...you have many ways to prove your case, video and cassette tape being two of them. It may not be admissible in a court case, but it is admissible everywhere else. (In other words, a volatile tape could at the very least get the child removed from his father's house.)

[florahall]

Sister, I have all the proof and evidence and was given to the judge by my lawyer, and the therapist and the counselor of my son at that time but they did not even look at it and listen to it. It was stop by the lawyer of my husband and telling the judge that it will not be accepted as evidence. You know how the court work. I have reported the black eye to the police and I bring my son to the police to look at it but my son won't show his face to the police and he was screaming when the police go near to him as he is very scared to the police for my husband and the woman was always calling the police and file a false report and the police always go to their house and my son was there to hear what they are reporting .My son Got scared and told me one time that" mommy dont go near the police he will put you to jail." that is how he reacted with the police. So when I reported the black eye and the bruise, the police did not see it as my son won't let him see his face, but I bring him to the doctor and there was a doctor report that the there was a a slight bruise and mark of the black eye after a week that it did happen, but it come out in the police report that there was no abuse or black eye that I was making it up and I was doing it becasue I want to get the custody of my son.I reported it to the CPS my son was ask after how many weeks what happen, but my son cannot say what happen and don't remember what really happen. Again CPS say that there is no abuse. My son scream to death heard by the neighbor and have seen by the friend that live in the house with them the abuse that the older step brother have done to him by pulling his underwear at the back that hurt him and the CPS says that it is not abuse.The father is not taking care of him and wont pay attrention of the need of the boy, but yet the boy was given to him. My son come home with red mark on the bottom and complain that he was hit on his stomach all the time by the woman son , and I reported to the CPS and the police but again, it is not abuse. It even make it bad for me for calling the CPS to report it. I was told that it make my record bad by calling them of the report. I dont know what to do and what to believe that time. My lawyer is new and no experience with family law, but becasue she want to take the case, I let her, as I was disperate to have a lwyer handle it but she screw up everything for she has no experience at all. I do believe that if i will tell the truth and I will just say the truth and what really is happening I will be okay. and i believe that god will rescue my son and I will just tell the truth. I was wrong, you cannot use your being a christian and you cannot use God in the court. Untill now I am not going to lie to win the case but my lawyer say that you cannot tell the truth to them or else you loose your case. To win the case you need to be the petitioner and if you are a respondent there is no way that you will win. that is what my husband did, use the system and file the case against me and file the divorce and get everything. I dont believe on divorce and i dont believe putting husband to court or putting fellow christian or brothers or sister in christ to court. But I am wrong and not everybody has the same belief like me and the same thinking like me. Other people who claim to be christian, only on words not in deed. Again he uses his experience in dealing the court system to get everything i have by filling the petition first and file a false report to the police. I did not know that anybody can just call the police and lie and the police will get the report and you will be in trouble. I dont know how the law work here in america, but as i only know that i have to abide the law of God not to lie and not be a false witness and not to steal , not to commot adultery and not to fonicate, and you have to love your wife as you love god. I have the husband that claim to have God but does not believe the commandment of God. It is a shame to claim to have God but live in a defferent direction. The My family and friends,co worker, church people, pastors therapist, testify, but they they did not believe all of us. as the police say that he did not see the black eye as my son hide his face and the police told me the it is obious that there was something happen as he don't want to show it to the police, but the report from the police when the lawyer of my husband took it from the record, the police report was change and it come out that I was just making it up and I was labeled as hispanic. I dont know what happen but I can't believe it that even the police change the report? Again my husband call a false police report for 13th times and my lawyer say that false police use by the judge and the family court services use it to judge me as perpetuator or violent base on the pending alledge restraining order violation. All the 13th alledge violation was dismiss but before it was dismiss the judge give my son to my husband already as a permanent custodial parent.

Yes I have all the document that will show all of this and I am going to scan all of it and post it . There is also a GNC member that knows the whole situation and what I been going through and my son and the most injustice and ugly divorce, and the most unchristian, ungodly husband that want to ruin the life of my son and me after 8 years that i give everything to him and give roof over his head and help him to be what he is right now. And this is a person that claim that he know the word of God and claim that he have God. I need all the advice that the GNC ladies could help me. I am going to hire another lawyer and help me pray that I will find a good one that know what she is doing that dont just want my money. Lawyer all interested of our money. If I can help it not to deal with them I really dont want to deal wioth this kind of people for they dont have God at all. They are all liar. I am sorry if we have christian lawyer but I know their work is to lie and win or sold you out to another lawyer.

sister flora hall

[ddc101]

Sister Hall all justice is decided in the halls of God.Go to him.He will be your advocate.I wanted to say that taking a woman into your house was done as a christian charity.She evidently was an opportunist.Sorry if men read this and are offended but men are weak when women are coming onto them.Especially if the temptation is right there in their home daily.That was a mistake.I have taken people in but they have been family and respectful.
Men of God need to put fences around their marriages.The number one spirit that wants to get to a man of God is adultry.lv sis.c

[lellingsworth]

I know sister. I used to work for a Family Law Attorney. He was a good one that always took cases that he didn't get paid for at times because he stood up for what was right. I don't know how you find those kind. I know that God can move mountains. We'll just pray he moves yours fast.

[tufluv]

I think we all need to get together and fast for sister Florahall, and especially her son.
THink of the power of all us us binding together!!
I am going to do this this Saturday..anyone else feel free to join.

Fast for those mountains to be moved, for truth to prevail..There is nothing too big for GOD to make happen..for this child to be returned to his mom, somehow...would be the most awesome thing, this has gone on far too long already.

[florahall]

I appreciate everybody to join with me in fasting, I fast every friday but there is no problem for me to fast untill Saurday . I do believe on prayer and fasting, it help me a lot in my walk to God. Thank you sister for all your prayers, it does really help and I know god is listening to us that call on his name. God has his way, and I am sure the wicked and the devil is not happy that we are praying. God will make a way and I am sure that if we keep on praying and holding on our faith, he will make a way for everything. My only hope is God to move on my son life and my life. I am preparing the document to open the case and I am waiting for the answer from the new lawyer that i am hiring. I have comunicated with the Governor office and I am waiting for the answer too. "LET'S GO FASTING FOR MY SON TO BA BACK TO HIS HOME WITH HIS MOTHER. '

flora hall

[tufluv]

I appreciate everybody to join with me in fasting, I fast every friday but there is no problem for me to fast untill Saurday . I do believe on prayer and fasting, it help me a lot in my walk to God. Thank you sister for all your prayers, it does really help and I know god is listening to us that call on his name. God has his way, and I am sure the wicked and the devil is not happy that we are praying. God will make a way and I am sure that if we keep on praying and holding on our faith, he will make a way for everything. My only hope is God to move on my son life and my life. I am preparing the document to open the case and I am waiting for the answer from the new lawyer that i am hiring. I have comunicated with the Governor office and I am waiting for the answer too. "LET'S GO FASTING FOR MY SON TO BA BACK TO HIS HOME WITH HIS MOTHER. '

flora hall
Yes, I can also fast on Friday as well, at least most of the day..I say we include this lawyer in this fast - so that he can have his eyes opened to the real truth, to see beyond the smokescreens...and also anyone else in legal authority, who may be involved. Enough is enough.
GOD can resolve this. I can't wait to see HIS hand moving to resolve this case...it make take a bit of time or it may happen quickly, either way - it will be GOD's call or answer to our petition for which praying/fasting for. HE knows best and I cannot see that HE would ever see it best for that baby to suffer needlessly, without his mom. NO Way!
Of course, as I've said before, HIS ways are not our ways..HIS will be done. Our job is to just fast/pray asking in HIS name., waiting upon HIM in peace. :bow:
HE is awesome!

[survivor4christ]

Sis. Flora:

Is your husband held accountable by a board? Is the church a part of an organization?

This is ridiculous. How can this man do all these things, and be so blatant about it, and still try to lead the people of God??? Is he teaching truth? I am asking you these questions b/c if they law won't hear you now, maybe someone over him in the church can? A bishop or overseer or something....surely, someone else in the church knows that this horrendous behavior is going on. And maybe you can get someone to rally in your corner and sign an affadavit stating that the things you say are in fact true.

I just cannot believe that this man can be doing all these things and getting away with it...yet no one in the church has said squat?

It is a good thing you are seeking other legal counsel; ask around in the church for suggestions, or if finances are an issue, try Legal Aid.

What about your in laws? Do they back him up in this nonsense he is living? His mom, will she support you just for the baby's sake? Or a sister, a cousin, someone in the family who knows him and knows his indiscretions and would be willing to testify against him for the sake of the child?

Don't worry, Sis. This man is gonna get what is coming to him. And God is gonna protect that little one!

And there is the child abuse/neglect hotline. If you call the hotline number to report suspected abuse or neglect, they (CPS) have to investigate. You don't even have to leave a name, or tell them who you are. And follow up with them once they start the investigation; depending on where you live in this country, they can take awhile to follow through with investigative and supportive services for your child. I know I had to get on them like white on rice to help me; but that thing that I thought originally was for my bad, God turned it around for all our good!!! He is faithful, Sis.!!!

Make them do their job; which is to protect our children. If your baby is in someone else's custody by their choice and being abused/neglected, and someone reports it, THEY have to investigate. And I wouldn't take, "Everything is fine, either" Go above the worker's head if necessary. Sometimes it is simply a matter of the worker being overworked and underpaid and they are over-extended. But that is your child we are talking about. Go to the executive director and get in his/her face, if necessary. Make them thoroughly investigate Mr. hall and his 'fiancee.' They do background checks, fingerprints, they talk to neighbors, school officials, whoever is in contact with the child. If you tell them about any concerns you have for him as far as his mental status is concerned, they will send him to one of their therapists and pay for it. I know CPS has this negative connotation with them; people think they just want to take the kids away. That is not always the case. Pray, cooperate with them, and God will work miracles, I know!!! He did it for me!

And He will give you favor!!!

Think and pray on it, Sis. The pros of getting CPS involved far outweigh the cons in this matter. And it won't cost you an arm and a leg, especially if you cannot afford it!!!

You are not doing it out of spite; you are doing it for the sake of your child. He has tied your hands. For whatever reason, he has made the choices he has made, not regarding anyone but himself. Don't concern yourself with what others will think or what have you. And don't be dissuaded b/c you are in a program, either. CPS likes to see people working on their so called "issues." Of course, Sis., I am not saying you have those issues the courts and the cops said, BUT, since they have mandated you to go. Keep going; this makes you look like someone dealing with their issues and CPS likes this. On the other hand, when they start investigating Mr. Hall, he will most likely deny all allegations and won't claim he has any issues (even though we all know differently). CPS looks at this as denial, and that would it in their eyes, make him mentally unstable.

Just some things to chew on....I would go on...if you like, you can email me at soulsurvivor4christ@hotmail.com.

Love ya, Sis. Hang in there and know God is gonna bring you and that baby out!!!

Love,
Sis. Wenona

[Apostolic Kitty]

I am asking you these questions b/c if they law won't hear you now, maybe someone over him in the church can? A bishop or overseer or something....surely, someone else in the church knows that this horrendous behavior is going on. And maybe you can get someone to rally in your corner and sign an affadavit stating that the things you say are in fact true.This also went through my mind.

Unfortunately, Sis. Flora, you may have to get a quick education in how the legal system is supposed to work for you and purse that aggressively, which may be contrary to what you perceive to be a gentle, meek spirit. Doing so would not make you ungodly, but a mother protecting her child.


It is a good thing you are seeking other legal counsel; ask around in the church for suggestions, or if finances are an issue, try Legal Aid. Another thought I had, too. However, I was really thinking along the lines of a lawyer like the one Lellingsworth said she used to work for. Ideally, what you would want is a sharp, experienced lawyer who will take your case pro bono. They do exist, but you may have to aggressively and tirelessly look for them.

And there is the child abuse/neglect hotline. If you call the hotline number to report suspected abuse or neglect, they (CPS) have to investigate. You don't even have to leave a name, or tell them who you are. And follow up with them once they start the investigation; depending on where you live in this country, they can take awhile to follow through with investigative and supportive services for your child. I know I had to get on them like white on rice to help me; Bingo! I don't know why anyone would say it makes you look bad -- especially if you can call anonymously.

Sister Flora, most certainly there must be someone out there who knows you and is your advocate -- or is willing to be. Surely, this Jezebel woman that your weasel husband is with doesn't have everyone fooled!!

[John Atkinson]

Alright, I guess by now everyone has figured out that all this is a light cover on a deeper issue.

I have asked, (demanded, begged, pleaded, ect) that this situation not be brought to the GNC.

SisFlora, Witness4Jesus: by now I am sure that you have compiled a big private message and email support group. Use that. No more posting on this circumstance. Understand?

Apostle: This board is not a place for you to find either judgement or justification, whichever fits.

I am closing this thread, and every thread related to it.

I do not wan another word on this circumstance ever posted on the GNC again. Ever. I will ban the first one to bring it up here.

I do not appreciate ya'll turning my discussion forum into a personal battleground. Do not ever do it again.