Time Changer [Archive] - The Good News Café

tufluv

04-19-2003, 04:24 PM

SINCE its rather quiet around here lately, many are busy no doubt, with this long nationally proclaimed holiday weekend.
So-o, I'm going to share a few thoughts regarding a movie that just came out yesterday. My husband and I went to see it, Its called "TIME CHANGER", and it was very good! In our opinion of course, and being that it WAS made by trini's via TBN founders, the Crouch's et al...but the gist was very good., nonetheless, after all, the trini's also believe in several 'elementary' concepts, more like 'milk' to us (w/o cereal!) at least., althought its not enough, we do KNOW that. That is a GIVEN.

AND since a thread was brought up not long ago about "UFO's are they demonic?", it would seem not out of line then, to express my interest in another similar theme, that of "Time Travel" in the physical realm., since THAT is the subject of this movie, and it is very spiritually thought provoking, and good subject matter for those who are either lost or backslidden (I think my husband was really touched/inspired). We know that various messengers in the Bible were able to transcend time and space as we know it, or think we do! :D I have long been fascinated with this subject.
BUT, here's my question, should anyone be disposed to answer or at least think about anyway (just for fun):

IF you go could back, or forward, in time which would you do?
Why would you? What would you do or say? (and I'm thinking
spiritual or biblical-wise).
Also, do you think it really is possible? AND., last but not least, do you think you belong here? Heheh!
I know I am just a sojourner here, from my real homebase in the NEW JERUSALEM!

My sons said they had recently read about someone claiming to be from the future, he was using his knowledge to make millions in the stock market! Really, they found that article on the web, and I asked to see it, and they could not find it again! They said this was for real, and the guy was arrested on suspicion of insider trading! Sounds like something from "Ripley's Believe it or Not!"...kinda scary though, if it IS true, could there be that possiblity? Hmmm...or just another hoax? How then was he able to do what he did 100% accurately? More demonic stuff? Hmmm...
Too many questions, I know!!
AND if no one should respond, thats cool! I will still be pondering. :cool: think

Xerf

04-19-2003, 04:51 PM

I'll answer this post yesterday..............:)

John Atkinson

04-19-2003, 05:23 PM

I answered it next year..

tufluv

04-19-2003, 05:31 PM

:laugh: :laugh: I KNEW I'd get some smarty-pants answers, BUT, well, its all deja-vu to me! Oh well...back to the future!:beammeup:
no response :D]

Xerf

04-19-2003, 05:32 PM

I knew you would say that ...... :rolleyes:

foreverblessed

04-19-2003, 05:37 PM

tuffluv, what will you think of next girl! :) I heard the movie was good.
Did you ever see Kate and Leapold? I hope that is how you spell it.

Just for fun though, this gal would just love to go back to the late 1800's or early 1900's. I would fit in just fine! :) I would have loved the slower paced lifestyle, family and neighbors depending on each other, wide open spaces......There is just a lot about this time I think I would have enjoyed there. I am a tough ol gal, so I wouldn't mind the roughing it. Maybe I should turn amish for a while? maybe I would change my mind.

I don't believe it is possible to go back and forth between time though, I think that was one of your questions. (were you really serious about that?? :))

tufluv

04-19-2003, 05:47 PM

NO, I've never seen that movie, whats it about? OH, MAYBE I DID see it next year? out on home video! Hmm...
How astute, my dear sister, this movie begins in the year 1890. My husband and I RARELY get out to see a movie, since they're for the most part ungodly material., not edifying. The last one we saw was the animated "Jonah and the Whale" and it was okay, a little too worldly based for me., but cute anyway. It was too silly actually, I believe Bible events are serious, even for kids., but thats a whole other topic.
Yes, times were seemingly simpler then. On our 'christian' radio station we listen to, that play contemporary christian music, they also have a daily segment called "Odyssey" supposedly for kids, but my husband and I LOVE IT! They have a website devoted to this as well and I think its part of Dr.Dobsens Insight for Living program, a spin-off, I've even gone over to that site, and played one of their games-[grow up already TUF]!And those shows frequently have 'back in time' episodes (courtesy of the ImaginationStation) that take you back to events in the bible, reenactments as if they were current news items, complete with "LIVE" transmissions from reporters on the field-its wild! You can tell I am a fan! So we were both thinking its like that show come alive in a movie version, but better!! Its very well done.
I'm thinking about going back to see it again, THIS TIME armed with some tracts and flyers from our church, with "the rest of the story(acts2:38)!!!, to hand to people as they leave! :angel: Always thinking evangelism possibilities! :D

Xerf

04-19-2003, 05:50 PM

Great Scott!!! I just did a time travel!! I lost 2 hours reading the above post!!!!!!!

:jk:

What would Ugene say??

foreverblessed

04-19-2003, 06:04 PM

Tufluv, I didn't go see Kate and Leapold, I just have it on DVD, you know, I waited like good little pentecostals do. ;) The movie is about Leapold coming forward in time.
Last I knew, we weren't supposed to go to movies. Oh my gosh you siiinner! :D I am just teasin ya......... I have seen a few movies in my time at the theater, the last being Johah the veggie tales. I loved that movie, I thought it was cute. I loved the choir, and song Second Chances.

I even drug my sister to the theater to see Jonah, she was skeered to death lightening was gonna strike her dead. She looked at me half way through it, and said "Now exactly why? have they been preaching against this so long?" Nobody was there but us, we had the theater to ourselves.
Actually I do understand that most movies are not worth seeing, and I do understand why most preachers teach against going.

The church I went to in MI could go to the theater, and they even took the youth groups to them, and yes they were UPCI! That is where I ventured into the unknown world I had never been before.

truemessianic

04-19-2003, 06:06 PM

I am gonna post an answer from the year 3785, where Ice Cream will be just as good without the calories, and all peoples have flying cars.
Time Changer??? Oh, you mean my next door neighbor. He went back in time to become a mystery on some place called the GNC. His name is, was, and continue to be...
XERF

tufluv

04-19-2003, 07:08 PM

Well guess what, that veggie tales movie about Jonah, we DID rent it, I remember now...NOT saw it at the theater although I kept wanting to go see it there, movies JUST look better on the BIG screens with the Dolby surround sound systems, and the smell of popcorn abounding (did not have any too salty, too$$)
We've always looked for whatever is not offensive, like I said, we rarely go, rarely rent movies, except for myself, the christian based ones, my husband, well, he still sometimes likes to watch other stuff. Go ahead, tease me about going to the movies, I have never heard any preaching against it, yet I know to avoid the majority of the so-called 'popular box office attractions'...there was barely any other people in that theater in which we sat!! big suprise, right?
We do need to watch what we allow to go into our minds., as for time travel, its like 'dreaming'! Wondering, marveling at the infinite possibilties of what we do not know or understand yet.
I personally do not believe it is possible, although we watched a show on Discovery channel a few years back, that talked about how it COULD be possible, but I would not try it., I'm already booked to go on a one-way trip to my home in my Father's Mansions. Halleluyah! Thats the only place I want to go...STILL...
:beammeup:

O2blikehim

04-19-2003, 08:44 PM

Truemess, You can go get all the calorie free ice cream you want. Me? I'm thinkin of goin back to the time of good old Solomon.

truemessianic

04-19-2003, 09:52 PM

Hey, I'll meet you there, with a double scoop cone for the both of us!
But, I think I would rather go back to the time of Jesus and the Apostles, and just follow them for the full 3 1/2 years of their ministry.

tufluv

04-19-2003, 10:35 PM

Now, we're talking, get JESUS involved, and you got a winner! I don't think any of us could stand the hardships involved, though, yet it'd be worth it for the opportunity to actually be side by side with JESUS as HE was, in the flesh.
We being too spoiled in the here & now, we'd not last!! lol
No computers, no cell phones, SHOES! A/C, cars, etc.
Wow, we sure do have lots of distractions! Imagine if THEY, the original 12, were to come into our time, and see this mess!! :eek:

BroDane

04-19-2003, 10:55 PM

All I gots to say on Dis here subject is: I feel another ABTTTGYMOG category coming up :yeah:

(Anything But The Truth To Get Your Mind Off God)

The facts are that the Sinners have all the money, if it could be done, they would do it and erase all of us, It hasnt happened so Ill safetly say it aint gonna happen......

Besides GOD is in control...... ;)

The bible says Today is the Day of Salvation, not yesterday..or Tommorrow!!!! So...Yesterday doesnt exist..neither does Tommorrow Only Today! Yeehaaaaaa!!

(Yeah,yeah..I seen all the time travel movies....Yesterday, that is, B.C.)

Ok..gotta go, Its time for me to get my mind back on God...

tufluv

04-19-2003, 11:00 PM

XERF! I finally figured out who you remind me of when you mentioned his name-Eugene! Yes, the shoe does fit. Talks like a computer generated character, total nerd-oops, not you!! NEVER!
I happen to like Eugene, he's very intelligent, and little appreciated. (we must be related). :D

Xerf

04-19-2003, 11:02 PM

You have driven me to my Witts End!! haha

:)

tufluv

04-19-2003, 11:06 PM

Hey, pret-ty cle-ver o' protegee of Eugene!
Hows' Connie, BTW?

Xerf

04-19-2003, 11:23 PM

We put her in that time machine thingy (is that where ya got the idea?)............and last we heard she was some news anchor person.///.........poor connie!!!

tufluv

04-20-2003, 12:00 AM

BUT, remember, JESUS is the same yesterday, today, and forever...HE has always been.
So whether we talk about the past, present, or future, we will always be including HIM! NOTHING wrong with that, I did say I was looking for spiritual natured responses!
Maybe this thread I started is not as provacative in that is does not involve backbiting, bitter discussions, or some of whats gone on in other threads, but heck, I also said it was done in FUN, unless that is also considered in that A-G category.
GOD did say we should be happy, joyous!! Loving one another as HE also loves us!

As for the trini's having all the money, to do these type movies, this is true, for the EvilOne rewards them for pushing this partial-truth, and having people feel goo-ood about this false assurance. THEY have their rewards, unwittingly, perhaps.
I KNOW better., so I CAN go see a movie of this type, and take it for what its worth, a well made film about GOD, BTW.
So this move was not made for us to get our minds off of GOD, but instead to emphasize the need to give HIM the credit as THE authority in HIS commandments HE gave us! The world's peoples just pass them off as good moral "ideas", w/o making sure to emphasize WHO was the one that authorized these "morals"., and left us HIS WORD, to guide us.
This movie as I said, was well done to that effect, while entertaining as well.
WE Apostolics would do well to somehow find the means to do this type evangelism to the world, and include the best part, that they leave out, which is acts2:38. Short of money to do such a grand production, there are ways to do this work in our own backyards., and even here.
This movie must be seen to be appreciated. I knew nothing of what it was about, just that it was advertised on the christian radio station, they were giving tickets away for it, and of course, I did not win, but wanted to see what all the fuss was about, glad I did!

XERF: You have to ask? Have you not read all my previous posts on this thread? I see you also are a fan, or vistor to, the city of Odyssey, USA. I did not get that idea, the filmakers, perhaps, it did remind us of Odyssey, to a 'point', there being lots of other movies about time travel. I have seen many in my lifetime. :bow:
Fictional accounts, theories, hypothesis, but intriguing as well.

bishop1

04-20-2003, 12:19 AM

" AND TIME SHALL BE NO MORE " !

BroDane

04-20-2003, 01:00 AM

Btw, I totally agree that Jesus is :
Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

However, We are in the Today category..think about it, really...

Also, my remarks where light-hearted!

tufluv

04-20-2003, 01:14 AM

Today is the Tomorrow we thought about Yesterday.

Tomorrow will be the Today, we worried(?) about Yesterday.

HAVE A NICE ONE! ;)
[p.s. I figured you were :jk: but I did have some thoughts that were unsaid, more info to share, and as you know by now, I GOTTA be me!]

And you, bro.dane, gotta be YOU, the NICE one around here! :D

BISHOP1: Yes, but that has not happened YET!

Ysan

04-20-2003, 01:21 AM

I know someone who does insider trading, bunch a money is made this way. I guess it is not legal?

Anyways, I've always dreamed of time travel. I dream of time-travel 80% of the time. I'm not sure why, except for them "Back to the future" series that I was so interested in.

If I could travel in time for spiritual reasons, I would have ->

1: I would traveled back to see what Manna really looked and tasted like.
2: I would travel to see the death, bariual, and resurrection of Jesus
3. I would travel 15 years ago to tell my dad of the heartache that he will go through if he gets out of church, but he is filled with the Spirit and living for God today.
4. I would travel 4 years ago to show my Jesus-filled grandpa respect and call him sir.
5. I would had liked to invented the song "amazing grace" before that apostolic preacher was converted after being convicted of slavery on that slave ship.

tufluv

04-20-2003, 01:50 AM

Ysan, I 2nd your 1st 2 answers!!
Although it was a scary time when JESUS hung on that cross, died, and the light turned to darkness, all sorts of eerie things, those people saw, felt, not knowing the implications of what had just happened.
Your others answers are of personal natures, I think everyone wishes they could go back to not so far away times in regards to family.
As I wish I could go back in time to right when my sister died, and be there as she died, for I heard she was calling for me! Everyone else was there but ME...:cry:
I was lost then, so I buried myself futher into those 'escapes' for a while, then not long after, Jesus set me free! Praise God.
I would also like to go back to when I was baptized in that glorious name of JESUS., and when my middle son was, THAT was a sight to behold!! I'll never forget that, and also when he received the HG!
BUT speaking of TIME travel, as in other space continuums. I would have liked to be around in the Civil War times., history buff that I am.
Other momentous historical times as well., and some I am glad I was not at.
LIKE RIGHT NOW, I need to travel to my soft comfy bed, for soon it will be sunrise service time, GOOD NIGHT sweet saints! :bow:

Apostolic Kitty

04-20-2003, 09:50 AM

I think I would go forward spiritually and back in some other ways. I know one thing.....I wouldn't want to be w/o air condition, so, altough it sounds nice in some other ways, I would not be joining foreverblessed in going to the 1800's. LOL

Now to go :nt:

This "Who in the world is Xerf?" has gotten into my subconscious. LOL I had this dream last night that there was still this great quest to uncover the mystery going on and I found a new magazine out called "Xerf" that had a picture of a blonde haired guy with a surf board on the cover and, in the dream, it hit me like a ton of bricks -- of course "Xerf" really means "Surf". LOL Aint that goofy!:beammeup:

tufluv

04-20-2003, 10:21 AM

WOW, Kitty, and I thought I HAD weird dreams!! lol

Now don't take that in a bad way at all, I have those type dreams too wherein current events take on another dimension!
That may be very intuitive, that surf is xerf! and cute too! Wish I had had that dream!! lol GOOFY? YUP!
Hmmm...Surf is Xerf! Has a nice RING to it! Maybe I'll add that to the XERF fanclub as a bumper sticker! For all those that go to the beach here, it'd be a great way to start an even larger movement of XERF-ettes !
AND maybe, this can be a new slogan for some kind of laundry detergent, I know, the one called "SURF"- I WAS FIRST! with that idea, now don't everybody all start trying to contact Surf's adwriters!!( alright Kitty, you can have a percentage of the royalties, since you did inspire this slogan) :D
I'm goo-ood with slogans! Maybe this can be the start of a new career for me. lol

TRUE MESS:
I'll be taking orders for these stickers, etc., have your agent contact mine, since you appear to not have given up on this "quest" for XERF's destiny. lol

AK: as for the A/C you mentioned, MYSELF also, don't think I could live w/o it-how DID the women of back then cope? They had some really intense dresses too! Layers & layers of petticoats, and those contraptions at the rear of their dresses, (forgot what they're called!) add to that those corsettes! Did they have deoderant back then? and these were the Southern Belles. Yet pictures of them, they look so pretty, the one thing I like about some movies I used to watch, are the period clothing they use in them, such as that movie named after a novel, North&South, or even GoneWithTheWind, gorgeous dresses they wore (maybe this should be in the ladies discussions! lol).
Never mind, I'll stay put right here in this present time!I better get of :nt: myself., and quit daydreaming., I mean, like how spiritual IS THIS? (getting after self!). Seriously, brethren, I just got back in from early early sunrise service, I'm very sleepy still, having stayed up late, but it was worth it, TODAY we commemorate the awesome sacrifice by our LORD & SAVIOR, which made it possible for me to have reason to REJOICE! in ANY time zone! Halleluyah, HE IS RISEN !! :angel: :angel: :bow:
"El as resucitado de entro los muertos, el es Senor!!"
NEXT!....

Adoniyah

04-21-2003, 09:30 AM

In the spirit world there is neither time nor space.

However, since Einstein's theory of relativity, time is related to the speed of light. When the sundial was turned back, was time turned back that effected a change in history?

If one could go back in time, how would history be affected by the least turn of events? For instance, if Abraham would have gotten the girl that he first wanted to marry, it is possible that he would never have run for President. If he did not run for President, how would things be today?

I do not believe in either going back or forward in time. The universe is expanding at a set speed, light travels at a set speed, trapping us in a channel of flow by which there is no control.

Time and space can be transcended by state alone. This is the dimension of spirit, in spirit, by spirit, whether that spirit be good or evil. One becomes fully aware of state only after the veil of the natural world is removed.

I am aware of a few examples in the Bible when a natural body trascended the limits of space by translation, as was the case of Philip being translated to Azotus after baptizing the Ethiopian.

I believe that we are on the verge of the resurrection at which time we will be changed from the mortal to the immortal, putting on a body able to disappear in one place and appear in another almost instantly.

servant

04-21-2003, 09:48 AM

I would go back to the Early Church, and get the REAL scoop on 1 Cor 11, hair, dress, etc!!! I would also want to go to that infamous Day of Pentecost, see the initial outpouring of the HG, hear Peter preach, and see all those souls baptized in Jesus' Name! I would also want to settle the preterism issue and see when the book of Revelation was really written and if the destruction of Jerusalem took place before or after. Come to think of it, there's a lot of issues I could settle by going back to that time!!!

Serv :)

tufluv

04-21-2003, 10:33 AM

ADONIYAHFor instance, if Abraham would have gotten the girl that he first wanted to marry, it is possible that he would never have run for President. If he did not run for President, how would things be today?

You are referring to Abe Lincoln? Hope so, 'cause at my first glimpse, I must've gone really back in time for just a second there (or was it 2?) thinking of Father Abraham!! lol
As for Abe, I read the book in junior high called "Eternal Love' written about his love relationship, etc, with Mary Todd, the one he did marry, finally, I don't recall another girl he was interested in, but maybe that's selective memory on my part!!! I so loved that book, I've never forgotten it. I was a real "bookworm" most of my younger life., and I can say, I've always loved to read, but now, its geared toward the biblical. Halleluyah!

To me, time travel (the theory) has always intrigued me, and many others I'm sure. I know that we WILL have to wait until we are totally spirit to even begin to hope for this ability.
Maybe thats why there are so many alleged 'ghost' sightings!?
Hmmm.....see, its interesting. But I won't lose sleep over it either!

SERVANT: You and me both, those are great reasons to go back.
GOD is the only one, that has that ability, how awesome! Back in the worldly fashion, when those movies with michael j. fox came out about time travel, (the trilogy-and theres another quirk-many movies choose "tri-logy" hmmm..) this was all the talk! And I still think about it! My sons and I even joke occasionally about it, pretending we're in another time lapse and laughing over it-its done in harmless funning around pondering the 'what ifs'! Although it can be considered a waste of time, we don't harp on it. They do like science fiction, though-maybe they're a bad influence on me? Heheh!! (they took after me!)
I can sometimes think outside the box, no law against that!! lol
I know, bro.dane said all the what-ifs are located on some aisle # in another post-that's one silly guy! (or was he throwing a 'hint' of :rolleyes: )?
Bit if you really think about it, many of the biblical "interpretations" so often argued here, ARE based on 'what-ifs' ! Like, 'what if' Paul really meant this? or that? What-if that was meant just for that age? Only for Jew/Gentiles?
??? See???

Irregardless, MY GOD IS REAL-HE HAS RISEN!! :angel:

Adoniyah

04-21-2003, 03:00 PM

LOL...hahahaha.

Yes, I meant Lincoln.

Ysan

04-21-2003, 08:33 PM

The past/present/future exist simultaneously, no doubt to God.

So in His dimension, we are very much still yet unborn, born, and already dead.

In the Spirit of God, the idea of linear time is very much diffrent than our perception of time.

Something definitely_worth a study which I have not yet done.

tufluv

04-21-2003, 09:28 PM

I agree, once again, Ysan, for I've been aware of that for some time, we had one study on the dispensations of time...and I became aware (ever-learning) of HOW intrinsic is our GOD, so meticulously weaving time(s), HE is after all, THE author, THE creator, of all that is, was, & is to be!! It is beyond AWESOME to try to describe HIS beauty! :bow:

Adoniyah

04-21-2003, 09:59 PM

While I certainly agree that God sees the past/present/future as the Word says, he sees the end from the beginning, I do not believe that God dwells in time nor in space. The spirit world is not subject to time nor space. It is subject to "state" only.

A hundred billion centuries mean nothing to a spirit, neither angel or devil. Angels do not know what time is, although with them there is a successive progression of all things, just as in the world without any difference at all. The reason is that, in heaven, instead of years and days, there are changes of state, and where there are years and days there are times, but where there are changes of state, there are states

In the world there are times, because the sun of the world seemingly advances in succession from one degree to another, producing the times called seasons of the year. Besides which, it appears to revolve about the earth producing the times called times of the day, both of these by fixed alternations. With the Sun of heaven it is different. This does not mark years and days by successive progressions and revolutions, but marks changes of state by the way it appears, and this, as has been shown in the preceding section, does not take place by fixed alternations. Consequently, no idea of time is possible to angels. but in its place, they have an idea of state.

survivor4christ

04-21-2003, 10:25 PM

I have often thought about what it was like at Azusa street or for female evangelists like Aimee Semple McPherson or Corrie Ten Boom (sp). I read about these events and sometimes wish I could have been there.

The church in the past century, since the outpouring at Azusa. Out of all the times and places in history, I would love to be a part of the latest reawakening of the church in the past 100 years. In particular at Azusa. When William Seymour had to sit outside of the church doo as the Word of God was going forth b/c a black man was not allowed to fellowship or worship with white congregants. The hunger and desparation Mr. Seymour experienced, yet he still pressed hard after God, found others who were just as hungry for God and turned this world upside down with the outpouring of the Holy Ghost.

TO see what female evangelists went through in the old days as they stood up and boldly proclaimed the Word of God. How they balanced family and ministry and none was lost. How miracles were performed at their hands.

Those old tent meetings where the power and spirit of God would dwell so thick that you could hardly stand it. Those days of Verbal Bean and how he rebuked a whole house with such boldness, authority and power. That is so amazing and intriguing to me! I would love to have been a part, a witness to those most amazing times!

Love, Sis. Wenona

tufluv

04-21-2003, 10:32 PM

True, so true, I 'get it', Bro. A
and here's a quote from the post on "emails" submitted by Committed:
"Don't worry about the world coming to an end today, its already tomorrow in Austraillia".

Pre-tty co-o-ol statement, as well. :cool:
Yes, states are states! Good way of looking at it. :beammeup:

SIS Wenona: I ditto your thoughts on Corrie Ten Boom and Azusa Street, but Azusa Street is easier to be at ANYTIME, really, get a bunch of us Apostolics together, YOUR'E THERE! Having church, getting 'down' in the HOLYGHOST! My fav thing to do!

tufluv

04-24-2003, 01:01 AM

BTW:
For those few who might be interested to know, in our city, this movie is leaving the cinema already!! Yup, could not believe it myself, it ran 1 week only, last time is tomorrow!!!!
I want to see it again! I heard this on the christian radio, and did ot hear as to the reasons for taking it out already. I did hear the announcer say something to the effect of 'thats usual for christian movies'....like, oh well..thanx but no thanx...
Things like this make me almost want to cry...why is this world so so so against anything to do with GOD? Anything remotely connected to the issue of our standing with GOD?
Dumb question, I KNOW.

SO-O-O, if anyone is thinking about going to see this movie, HURRY

seguidordejesus

04-24-2003, 10:55 AM

Maybe I missed something, but what movie are you referring to?

tufluv

04-24-2003, 11:36 AM

Brother SDJ:
THE title of this movie is also the title of this thread,
TIME CHANGER
I kinda doubt its showing over there, BUT, you'd have to hurry TODAY to see it over here at Century 16, right near my house, if you plan to go, let me know. You can look up times for showing on the net, you can check at our city newspaper as well, at caller.com
Its worth the viewing, as is. I really liked it., although it needs more.

Xerf

04-24-2003, 11:52 AM

Great sentence Tufluv........"I really liked it., although it needs more."

ummmmm .... right! MORE is most assuredly what it needs! MORE is added to it would have helped the thing immensely! WE WANT MORE!

We could start a petition and demand ...... MORE.....or else!

How dare they leave out MORE!! THe absence of MORE nearly ruined the whole mess! MORE........MORE......MORE!!!

What part of MORE don't those people understand?????????

(thanks to our resident movie critic and her ratings ... MORE or less!)

:rolleyes:

tufluv

04-24-2003, 12:03 PM

Siskel & Eibert (correct spellings?) WATCH OUT, MOVE BACK, and let the pro do her stuff! (see what you created?Xerf), they don't call me "stuffluv" for nothin! :D

Heheh! You said it well, my silly dearest XERF.

MORE is what this world needs more of!
MORE indepth HARMONY within discussions from everyone on this forum, MORE XERF-isms to be sure, MORE (and this is the BIG one)

LOVE towards each other.. :tup:

(and there's MORE coming your way, as MORE develops)! :laugh:

Xerf

04-24-2003, 12:09 PM

(I wait with more bated breath!)

tufluv

04-24-2003, 12:36 PM

Alrighty then XERF,

the movie needed MORE ................TRUTH! AS in Acts2:38, and beyond!!!

Thought you might've gleaned as much from my opening statements. Did you get :confused: ?

I got an :idea: , GO and see this movie TODAY, and you'll see what I meant...okay!? Arm yourself with some TRUTH tracts to disperse to the 3-6 unsuspecting moviegoerso on their way out as this movie ends, and get back with me (I'll expect a 3page report, dlb spaced, headers, and footnotes!) :D Got it?
(if you do a really good job, I may hire you as my assistant critic, and fellow disciple)!
:D

John Atkinson

04-24-2003, 12:37 PM

The Time Changer Movie is a about a Bible College proffessor in 1890 who writes a document called "changing times"

He is then sent into the future to see the impact his document had on future generations.

I haven't seen the film but would like to.

Whatever we do has an impact on the future.

If anyone here has ever wondered why I take the hard and strong stand on Jesus name baptism that causes me to ban some users and others to just leave. ( a couple have been MIA since my last "Line up or leave" post) it is for this cause.

Because this movement that is growing with leaps and bounds that says the name spoken in baptism is not essential, that trinitarians are our brothers and sisters and we can fellowship with them on equal terms. The movement that says we can lay down things that are taught as good and holy because they are no longer culturally relevant...yadda yadda..

All that has an end. And that end is: Will there be any real Apostolic Churches 80 years from now?

Right now, I see a split to two pathways and where we will be in 30 or 40 years:

One going down the road of legalism to the point that that God no longer moves in services.

The other going down the road of liberalism so far that only the fake charismatic spirit moves in service, and baptism becomes irrelevant to them.

Somebody has got to stay on the right road and exhort others to to so.

A lot of people don't concern them selves with it because they see the Lord returning in a few years. What if he doesn't? What if that day is a hundred or a thousand years away?

That is why my stand is strong, and the vision and mission that I have concerning Apostolic Network Ministries has very very little with web hosting and ISP services or providing a discussion board for people to yak on.

It has everything to do with building and joining together a network of people (not an organization) of God from every corner of the earth, and holding this truth straight and strong, and working together and interacting whith one another for the Gospel. The sinner who won't be born for another 50 years is going to need an Apostolic Holiness or Hell church to get saved in. Not as an organized religious system, but as people of God sharing fellowship, testimonies, exhortation. The GNC is a start in that direction.

I believe God has given this vision for this cause. So if you have ever wonder why I get so tough on some threads and ping on standards threads some times.

Because what we do here and now will not only affect future generations, it will affect where some folks spend eternity.

If we didn't have the example of men God like Verbal Bean to look to, where would we be now? Who will provide that example for the next 2 generations?

tufluv

04-24-2003, 01:04 PM

Like I warned already, if you want to see it on a large movie screen with great surround-sound, go see it NOW, for its leaving!
Sure it may be later available on video, BUT, this looks so awesome at the theatre.
The guy that plays the professor does it so well, he looks authentic, and it couldn't have gone to a better actor, he's not a top-name actor, in fact, don't think I've ever seen him before.
Only the former "loveboat captain" plays the other lead.
Some other actors on there look a little strange, the church scenes are of course, a trini-church, and actually, that church and its members are made to look BAD! (which if the shoe fits?) and to ME, it does little to back them (the trini filmmakers) and is sad in a way.
Too many of today's professing christians barely resemble the christians of old. Just take a look around at this world, it mirrors the intents of the hearts of todays "christians", and of course, the 'unbelievers' can we distinguish between the 'wheat and the tares'?
Truth be known, Apostolics don't seem to even be making much of a dent in this society at large., what with so many differing versions of truth! I'm surprised GOD has not repented of making us AGAIN, and destroyed this world already.
Yet, the remnant CAN make an impact in our own backyards at least.

tufluv

04-24-2003, 06:56 PM

Somebody has got to stay on the right road and exhort others to to so.

Yes, that'd be ME!! With my JESUS in me, I can't help but be busy about doing just that, EXHORTATION, wearing a sandwich style sign in front of me, if I must (written on both sides) one side saying "WRONG WAY that way" turn around then "THIS WAY, RIGHT WAY", the Way the Truth, and LIFE-JESUS Christ! (picture of BIBLE)., AND of course, thats just one way to do this! Heheh!
Dramatic, huh? Well however means, just DO IT! :bow:

Each year, at church, like in January, we take a "test" some sorta quiz 3page survey, to determine our gifts, (for those who have not figured it out yet, or think they do not have any talents) and we get rated as to having 3 major talents (or gifts) at the end in descending order, I forgot which order mine were in now, but for me they were:
Exhortation, Evangelism, and Prophecy! Halleluyah!
WE SHOULD ALL have some type talent to use towards the advancement of the TRUTH found in the holiest of holy books, THE BIBLE!! GODS WRITTEN WORD, meant to also be spoken to those whom are lost and crippled by this worlds' leading.

This post was submitted to also bring this THREAD back up to the front, to remind all those who have not yet seen this movie, you have 1 last chance!! MAYBE. :D

Xerf

04-24-2003, 07:29 PM

I don't go to movies..(I'm allergic to popcorn--makes me break out in puffs).......I guess I'll have to wait till it comes out in the Comics..........

An interesting precept though........to go ahead in time and see the consequences of our actions.........whether good or bad. Kinda sounds like judgement day......all deeds done in the flesh whether they be good or evil.....shall be brought into judgement....so maybe its not that farfetched after all!

:rolleyes:

tufluv

04-24-2003, 07:52 PM

COMICS???
Oooh, you're mean!....didn't know you had it in ya, ex-sweet Xerf!
Go eat some popcorn!
I'm headed to church, and I shall pray for you!!
REPENT!!!for your judgment day cometh sooner than you might thinketh! :D

foreverblessed

04-24-2003, 09:32 PM

Tufluv,
It may have come to your city, but as of the other day, it hadn't even come to Indy yet. It was in Anderson, and a few other cities, but none of the theaters have it yet. It must have different dates scheduled.

Xerf

04-24-2003, 09:47 PM

OK, I'm sorry I mentioned "comics." Maybe I can wait till it comes out in Ripley's............or perhaps they will make a "Better Homes and Gardens" serial out of it.
I will try to be content until I can find it in my little world.

:rolleyes:

tufluv

04-24-2003, 10:57 PM

XERF:
:grumble: :grumble: :grumble:

FOREVER:
Wow, maybe they just made that one movie reel, and they're taking it everywhere for 1 week only showings :laugh: So I guess they really don't have THAT much money to make oh, several hundred copies to circulate...no matter, I'm just glad I got to see it when I did, good thing I didn't wait., and I shall patiently ( :grumble: ) wait for it to come out on home video.
Stranger things have happened (i.e. XERF!) :p

tufluv

04-25-2003, 05:16 PM

WHAT!! No ONE got out to see this as of yet!?
Well, it may be soon coming to a city near you - take advantage of the opportunity, someone, PLEASE, take some tracts for after the movie, to hand out with REAL TRUTH!! Get 'em while they're HOT! (or open-hearted).
Wish I'd of thought of it sooner, but going in, I really did not know much of what it was going to be about. Just WENT!
and did not get to go again. :cry:

survivor4christ

04-26-2003, 12:30 AM

Sis. Tuf:

A lot of times when these movies come out, they do not even come out in this area, I do not even think they release Christian movies in CT at all. With the exception of the Jonah's Veggie Tales movie...and my kids thought it was kinda wack. They had me laughing, "mummy that is not how the story of Jonah went!:)"

But they got the message....

They release the movie in NY and we have to go there to see it when it first opens up, or wait for it to be released on DVD or on cable. It is really sad, but not surpising. I never heard of this movie.

Bro. John, do you know if this movie is showing anywhere near us?

I hear you on it 'seeming' like Apostolics not having a major impact on society. We are the salt of the earth. If you ever notice, when one cooks with salt, it is often advised to not use too much or cook with a lot of salt. Why?

It tastes really bad and is bad for your health.

So a little salt is all that is needed to season the food. When you go on a picnic, you can sprinkle a little salt on the ice to preserve it. Keep it frozen longer....

Salt is a very powerful substance! And it does its job very effectively when sprinkled here, or sprinkled there. Here a little, there a little...Don't need much, season to taste. Sprinkle lightly to preserve temperature. Even when using rock salt up here in the north to melt the ice so we won't fall on our 'bumboochey', as my grandma used to call it!:), you only need a little to melt the ice.

The same could be said of the salt of the earth.....

We may seem to be outnumbered by the enemy, his imps and his two-legged helpers.....but they that are with us are more than they that are with them! If God be for us, He is more than the world against us! One can chase a thousand, and two ten thousand to flight!!! Amen?

We are so powerful in the Lord that a many is not needed to do the job. Wherever two or three are gathered in HIS name, that matchless name of Jesus, there is He also in the midst! David and Goliath, Joshua and the battle of Jericho, the Red sea, Samson.....

God always throughout time has managed to make bare His Arm with just the few, the remnant! When Gideon found his purpose and God told him what to do....he thought he needed a many. But God made him sift through the riff raff, the uncourageous, the fearful, the foolish.....to build a mighty army of what was it....300 men! And they whipped the enemy's you know what! God anointed them for the job, and they obtained the victory!

So it may seem we are outnumbered by the religious, the ungodly, the blasphemers, the wicked, the fearful, the flaky.....

But God has a remnant....and in the days of Noah, and Elijah, throughout biblical times, God always spared the many for the sake of the few who would give Him glory who would praise and worship Him in spirit and in truth!

So let's do this!!!!

Let's hold up the blood stained banner of the Lord, in this mighty army of the Lord, like good soljahs for the Lord Jesus Christ and know the victory is already the Lord's!!!

Sis. Wenona

tufluv

04-26-2003, 01:11 AM

AMEN! Sister Wenona!
Well, if it does come to home video, you will see it then, and you'll like it, for what is worth...and it is worth the viewing.
Although on home video, to me, its not as good as on the BIG screen, I like the quietness also, fewer distractions, we sat in a auditorium style theatre and the screen was almost overpowering! I am near-sighted so it took some adjusting.
Its more than life-size!
And you can get lost in it! The movie. Easier to concetrate, blocking out all else. We don't do this often, so it was a nice treat. ;)

tufluv

04-27-2003, 11:19 AM

Well, golly-gee, GUESS WHAT!!!!??????????
(..as everyone holds their breath :D)
BREAKING NEWS...

THIS MOVIE WILL BE SHOWN ON TBN next Sunday, May 4th!!!!

Aaarg-hhhh-hhhhh!! and I PAID to see this movie?????!!!!!!!!

Well, okay, FINE, I'm glad I did, for as I've been saying all along, its more lifelike on the BIG SCREEN (as if giants are lifelike! :D)
BUT, I enjoyed it!! It looks better, sounds better, A N D>>
I got to be one of the FIRST to see it!! Although I will watch (& record it) on the t.v., it will pale in comparison to my first viewing experience!!! Heheh! :shrug: oh well..!!! NOW everyone has a chance to see it, no excuses :cool: [ I did pay matinee prices anyway, thats the only way I'll even go! :laugh:]

Just happened to catch that commercial for it on TBN; which BTW, did anyone happen to view the "DOVE" awards on Fri-Sat shown on this trini-channel?
Well I happened to catch it, and I tell you, I did not realize it was not the Grammy Awards, till I heard a familiar song I like from hearing it on our 'christian' radio station! It all had the LOOK, and feel of a worldly awards show., especially the so-called 'christians' themselves, dressing to the 9's, makeup, jewelry, I mean absolutely NO difference to any wordly event-SAD, indeed, although not altogether unexpected, hey, there's some Apostolics that look the same... :confused: so-o, its not just the trini's...anymore. The line of distinction or demarcation between those in the TRUTH and NOT, is thinning....more & more.... :cry:

survivor4christ

04-28-2003, 02:03 AM

Amen, Sis. Tuf:

I saw the Stellar Awards on BET a few days ago, and the whole spirit of the thing was not really to lift up the name of the Lord. It was to lift up man.

Now, I know the Word says to give honor to whom honor is due...but it is to the Lord, right? God is supposed to receive the glory, not man.

Who came up with the idea of awarding Christians for obeying God anyway? I do not EVER want an award for any song I sing, or anything that God does through me....b/c it is HIS doing. And it is indeed marvelous even in my own sight! That He would use someone like me.....

WOW!!! God is soooo awesome!

The lifetime achievement awards I kinda understand...but even those get to worshipping what a man has done.

Isn't that dangerous territory? Folks in the Word of God got killed for taking His Glory! These award shows are not of God and they need to get rid of them....

Glory, and Honor, and Majesty and Dominion, and Power belongs to God!!!

JMHO, Love, Sis. Wenona

tufluv

04-28-2003, 10:58 AM

Amen, Amen, Sister Wenona!
Our boldness given to us by the HOLYGHOST needs to be projected towards those whom are in error, and those people on those type awards shows, are not going to make it into the KINGDOM, #1, for they are trini's (no NAME OF JESUS baptism), and #2, for allowing themselves to receive such honor and glory for writing, producing, and performing songs that are supposed to be about GOD; maybe thats the problem, and one specific thing I noticed when coming to the LORD via acts2:38, that in our church we sings songs to HIM...Halleluyah, while these folks sing about HIM, has anyone noticed that? So that just confirms, to me, that they really don't know HIM. I think of worship/praise music as highly as I do praying to HIM. Thats just MY feel on it, so I always pay attention to the words or a song., and yes, there are some classics that sing about HIM, that inadvertently have staying power..! And there's some that are just statements, like the one we sung yesterday (awesome song/rhythm) called "This
Train " and "They call me a holyroller, but thats alright!", etc.etc. I love praise/worship time, ANYTIME!!

FOR HE IS WORTHY TO BE PRAISED!!I wonder if all the recipients of these 'awards' are all in accord with it, though. For I saw Michael W. Smith (luv his voice!!) look rather sheepish, embarassed, and I've heard his testimony, he seems to me to be sincere in his love of the LORD, yet, still a trini.

So-o, there is HOPE for these, but with all those accolades, and worldly 'adoration' of them, thats just not being 'holy' or humble, in the sight of GOD. I do like a lot of the christian radio songs, (contemporary christian is what they're called) and when I used to work at night, thats what I'd listen to, and it grew on me.
Yet, I found another station (trini, again) but this one plays [I]different type christian music, its better, more worshipful, AND, there's preaching on almost continually, (although its trini,yet I glean what I can) so-o, its better all-around than the other one.
Now we do have lots of cd's of the contemporary christian music, and some of those people on those awards, I watched this simply 'cause I wanted to see who all sang those songs.
Like Nicole Nordaman, sings a song called "You are HOLY," and that one is beautiful, she got the award for best new singer.
Sister, you got me started yakking!! :D
I better close now and let someone else post, it appears you and I may have carried this thread to new heights! :laugh: A spring-off topic! I hijacked (as bro.john calls it) my own thread!!
Thanx, Sister, for helping me! (my partner in crime!)heheh!!
Well, this is a good sub-topic as well, what really disgusted me about that DoveAwards, was the flashy clothes, jewelry, gobs of makeup!! and they don't "get it"???? Lord, have mercy! ALL THAT MONEY!!! they make off pf the LORD! :eek: Well, as the Bible says, "they HAVE their reward".
Another thing is: do you know of/about Amy Grant? Awesome voice she has, and for many many years she started and sang beautiful christian music, then left to go do worldly music, and she is now married to Vince Gill (country music star I used to love to listen to) and so he appeared with her on stage, and they sang a song (formerly christian) and just made it into something worldly..it was awful!! (Oh, it was "Nothing but the blood of Jesus'!) Its scary how these people toy with GOD. Amy married a married man! with kids! Yikes! (well he did get divorced, but still), Oh well, again, LORD HAVE MERCY! I have to wonder, 'WHAT is wrong with these people!!"..... :shrug:
A: no name of JESUS baptism; no fear; no respect; love of $

survivor4christ

04-28-2003, 08:00 PM

No revelation of who Jesus really is...

Love, Sis. Wenona

Xerf

04-28-2003, 08:06 PM

As my good friend Brother Charles Brown would say, or rather has said to him:

"Good Grief!"

:rolleyes:

tufluv

04-28-2003, 10:03 PM

AND that was right after Lucy charged him 5cents for phsycological advise!! I guess 5cents was a rip-off!! (or was that [rip-out] when she'd pull out the football as he'd run to kick it :D!!)
Lucy was one of the first proponents of toughlove! :laugh:
Poor guy!...any relation, XERF?!

Ysan

04-29-2003, 03:25 PM

Originally posted by John Atkinson
Whatever we do has an impact on the future.

I used to day dream of how the smallest events changed things on a wide scale. For example, as a sinner I used to clutter our schools walkways with broken glass, used to set fire with gasoline to all the trash cans, break into the schools. These events adventually led to me moving back to my home state, where I adventually had a relationship with my dad after 7 years. He later then got in church.

I used to also wonder what would happen if my older self met my younger self. If that impact caused me to never go back the past in the first place, then I would be trapped in some time-paradox.

Time situations can have all kind of effects if time-travel were possible. lol

tufluv

04-30-2003, 11:48 PM

Ysan:
I used to also wonder what would happen if my older self met my younger self. If that impact caused me to never go back the past in the first place, then I would be trapped in some time-paradox.
Weird, brother, that is mind-boggling, like those movies, 'back to the future', and that very thought that you might be trapped, is what keeps many from trying., (as if!)
Human minds will always no doubt wonder many "what-ifs", like it or not. That is time-travel is actually something ALL people think about, its not what some have tried to make it out to be, as something sinister. Its just 'brain waves' at their most curious, knowing its not really possible for anyone but GOD! HE knows about our beginning to end.

AND JUST FOR ALL TO KNOW, a FRIENDLY REMINDER:

THIS MOVIE WILL BE SHOWN ON TBN next Sunday, May 4th!!!!

7 pm Pacific Time