Bro.Steingass
04-21-2003, 10:16 AM
Sometimes labeled "Oprah Christians"
after Oprah Winfrey, an immensely popular TV talk show host.
I don't know exactly what Oprah believes in, and I didn't invent this name, but I don't have any other way to describe this belief.
I had a boss, a self-proclaimed Liberal, and I got to know him over a few years, I saw his actions and beliefs, and realized he didn't have a clue.
He took a stand, a while back during a company-wide United way fundraiser, and refused to support the United way under his disagreement with them over their support for the Boy Scouts of America refusing to allow Gay Scout leaders. Obviously drawing critisizm to himself in our Conservative area of the Country.
At the same time he bragged about his involvement in a local church men's group, which struck me as odd, I assumed him to be non-church going, as most denominational churches teach against homosexuality, afer all, it's the Word of God, but so is Acts 2:38, and we know how seriously that is taken.
However, I paid little attention to him (he's the flightly type, you know, walks the halls, stops and talks to everyone, then forgets what he was doing)
Oh, he rambled on and on, echoing the National Democratic party's policies, but I didn't mind him much.
Until one day, he came into my office for something, behind me on a cupboard hung a picture of Saddam Hussein and Yasser Arafat, between the teo of them read the following:
"America, how can we concentrate on pushing the Jews into the sea while you wage your racist war against us"
Wait until you get the satire before reading any further. (hint: The PLO's mission is to push the Jews into the sea, and claim Israel as palestine, and protestors call the US racists against the Arab people, see the double standard?)
Anyways, It's a political poster, he came into my office and began to laugh at it, admitting that it was a valid point. He, being outspoken against racism, I thought we struck a mutual chord.
However, (getting to my point)
He began to mention the Bible, and I thought "Ok God, you've opened a door, give me the words I need"
Mat 10:19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.
So, I mentioned that God's promise was to the Children of Israel Forever
Num 18:19 All the heave offerings of the holy things, which the children of Israel offer unto the LORD, have I given thee, and thy sons and thy daughters with thee, by a statute forever: it is a covenant of salt forever before the LORD unto thee and to thy seed with thee.
Then he hit me:
he said that the Hebrew people have done far worse throughout history than the Arabs ever have, as far as Human Rights violations. In response to my mentioning that God's promise is still with Israel, he said that The Hebrew People invented their closeness and heritage with God, they wrote the Old Testament as a conspiracy the show their divinity.
Then he said that any Promise God had with them is cancelled because they rejected Jesus Christ. Jesus message was of Peace and tolerance. Jesus rejected the Jews, and Jesus would never condemn anyone. Everyone goes to Heaven, he believes.
I sat, shocked and awed. This is why he calls himself Christian, and supports Homosexuality....he belives that the Old Testament is made up!!!
I was amazed, and still do not understand. I know with say, a Buddhist, they do not belive in one, all powerful God, so assuming that they know Genesis 1:1 is never done.
However, a self-proclaimed Christian??? I told him I didn't know what to say, I belive that the Bible is the infalable Word of God, and he didn't, so I couldn't continue the conversation. He twists Christianity to conform around his Liberal beliefs of free Sex, drugs, and rock and roll, not ofending anyone. But his wife, in charge of a local charity used book sale, made a stink in refusing to sell any books that were sexually explicit i.e. harlequin romance novels.
I say, you're free to believe how you wish in the USA, however, It irritates me when someone is not consitent with their beliefs, speaking ignorantly, just rebelling against the establishment for the sake of Anarchy. That's Anarchism, and NOT accepted By God.
How does one even begin to witness to a person such as this, who doesn't eve really know whay they stand for something?
If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything. BTW, this man is well educated, in his late 50's, and you would think knows better.
after Oprah Winfrey, an immensely popular TV talk show host.
I don't know exactly what Oprah believes in, and I didn't invent this name, but I don't have any other way to describe this belief.
I had a boss, a self-proclaimed Liberal, and I got to know him over a few years, I saw his actions and beliefs, and realized he didn't have a clue.
He took a stand, a while back during a company-wide United way fundraiser, and refused to support the United way under his disagreement with them over their support for the Boy Scouts of America refusing to allow Gay Scout leaders. Obviously drawing critisizm to himself in our Conservative area of the Country.
At the same time he bragged about his involvement in a local church men's group, which struck me as odd, I assumed him to be non-church going, as most denominational churches teach against homosexuality, afer all, it's the Word of God, but so is Acts 2:38, and we know how seriously that is taken.
However, I paid little attention to him (he's the flightly type, you know, walks the halls, stops and talks to everyone, then forgets what he was doing)
Oh, he rambled on and on, echoing the National Democratic party's policies, but I didn't mind him much.
Until one day, he came into my office for something, behind me on a cupboard hung a picture of Saddam Hussein and Yasser Arafat, between the teo of them read the following:
"America, how can we concentrate on pushing the Jews into the sea while you wage your racist war against us"
Wait until you get the satire before reading any further. (hint: The PLO's mission is to push the Jews into the sea, and claim Israel as palestine, and protestors call the US racists against the Arab people, see the double standard?)
Anyways, It's a political poster, he came into my office and began to laugh at it, admitting that it was a valid point. He, being outspoken against racism, I thought we struck a mutual chord.
However, (getting to my point)
He began to mention the Bible, and I thought "Ok God, you've opened a door, give me the words I need"
Mat 10:19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.
So, I mentioned that God's promise was to the Children of Israel Forever
Num 18:19 All the heave offerings of the holy things, which the children of Israel offer unto the LORD, have I given thee, and thy sons and thy daughters with thee, by a statute forever: it is a covenant of salt forever before the LORD unto thee and to thy seed with thee.
Then he hit me:
he said that the Hebrew people have done far worse throughout history than the Arabs ever have, as far as Human Rights violations. In response to my mentioning that God's promise is still with Israel, he said that The Hebrew People invented their closeness and heritage with God, they wrote the Old Testament as a conspiracy the show their divinity.
Then he said that any Promise God had with them is cancelled because they rejected Jesus Christ. Jesus message was of Peace and tolerance. Jesus rejected the Jews, and Jesus would never condemn anyone. Everyone goes to Heaven, he believes.
I sat, shocked and awed. This is why he calls himself Christian, and supports Homosexuality....he belives that the Old Testament is made up!!!
I was amazed, and still do not understand. I know with say, a Buddhist, they do not belive in one, all powerful God, so assuming that they know Genesis 1:1 is never done.
However, a self-proclaimed Christian??? I told him I didn't know what to say, I belive that the Bible is the infalable Word of God, and he didn't, so I couldn't continue the conversation. He twists Christianity to conform around his Liberal beliefs of free Sex, drugs, and rock and roll, not ofending anyone. But his wife, in charge of a local charity used book sale, made a stink in refusing to sell any books that were sexually explicit i.e. harlequin romance novels.
I say, you're free to believe how you wish in the USA, however, It irritates me when someone is not consitent with their beliefs, speaking ignorantly, just rebelling against the establishment for the sake of Anarchy. That's Anarchism, and NOT accepted By God.
How does one even begin to witness to a person such as this, who doesn't eve really know whay they stand for something?
If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything. BTW, this man is well educated, in his late 50's, and you would think knows better.