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Phyllis
06-19-2004, 06:30 AM
Dealing with Loss and Grief
2 Samuel 12:15-24


Every Christian deals with loss and grief at some time during their
life. It might come in the form of the death of a loved one, the loss
of a financial position, the loss of good health or the shattering of
dreams. When this happens, we naturally ask, "Why?" and along with
the original loss, we are sometimes tempted to lose our faith in
God's goodness. We enter a period of grief.

How should we as Christians deal with this grief? Is it wrong to
grieve? Has God forsaken us?

The first thing the Christian faced with a loss should understand is,
that it is "okay" to grieve. Jesus said, "Blessed are they that
mourn, for they shall be comforted." (Mat. 5) The word "mourn" comes
from a Greek word that means "to lament or bemoan oneself". Jesus
said that we who bemoan ourselves are to be envied - blessed. Why is
that? Because those who mourn will be comforted. In today's English,
the word "comfort" is almost synonymous with "sympathize." Although
Jesus does sympathize with us (the scriptures describes Him as a "Man
of Sorrows, well-acquainted with grief and able to sympathize with
our weaknesses"), sympathy is not what is meant here. Perhaps you can
better grasp the meaning of the Greek word used here (parakaleo) if
you understand what comfort meant in Old English. It originally came
from two words: come + fortify. God is saying here that He has more
to offer us than a sympathetic ear and a pat on the head. He wants to
come and fortify us or infuse us with his power. We are not helpless
in our grief. He is here to give us the strength to go on and to live
successful lives! In fact, He wants to change our losses into gains.

Let's go to the book of II Samuel, chapter l2, verses 15 through 24,
where we will find a Biblical pattern for the grief process in a
story from the life of David. You may recall that David committed
adultery with Bathsheba, she became pregnant with his child and he
had her husband killed. They then married but their child died soon
after birth. (Now understand - the fact that sin was committed and
punished in this story is irrelevant for our purposes. We just want
to lift out the part about David's grief and use it as a pattern.)
Here is what the scriptures say.

Then the Lord struck the child that Uriah's widow bore to David so
that he was very sick. David therefore inquired of God for the child;
and David fasted and went and lay all night on the ground. And the
elders of his household stood beside him, in order to hold him up
from the ground, for he was unwilling and would not eat food with
them. Then it happened that on the seventh day that the child
died ...But when David saw that his servants were whispering
together, David perceived that the child was dead; so David said to
his servants, "Is the child dead?" And they said, "He is dead." So
David arose from the ground, washed, anointed himself, and changed
his clothes; and he came into the house of the Lord and worshiped.
Then he came to his own house, and when he requested, they set food
before him and he ate. Then his servant said to him, "What is this
thing you have done? While the child was alive, you fasted and wept;
but when the child died, you arose and ate food." And he said, "While
the child was still alive, I fasted and wept; for I said, ''Who
knows, the Lord may be gracious to me, that the child may live. But
now he has died; why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I
shall go to him, but he will not return to me.'" Then David comforted
his wife Bathsheba, and went in to her and lay with her; and she gave
birth to a son, and he named him Solomon. (NASB)

First, we see that David got down on the ground, fasted and prayed.
That's what we should do as well, when we are faced with new pain,
disability or loss. We should humble ourselves, fast and pray. We
should seek the Lord and ask Him to restore us. This should, in fact,
be the very first thing we do when faced with loss. It may be that
God will direct you to take an action that will bring about
improvement. Others in the church should also lift us up and support
us as we pray. The fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
There comes a point, however, at which if He does not restore the
situation, we must go on.

Occasionally, though, some people get "stuck" in the mourning phase.
When this happens, mourning can turn into self-pity. Although it is
normal to grieve for our losses, it is just as important that we
don't grieve too long! During Old Testament times, God gave the Jews
specific directions regarding grief and mourning. According to the
Law, the Jews were allowed to express their grief in some of the same
ways as the heathen nations around them - by crying, wailing and
wearing sack cloth and ashes. They were forbidden, however, from
another practice common in the Middle east - that of cutting
themselves. Why was this? I believe it was because the Jews were not
supposed to mourn like the heathen, who had no real hope. A cut will
leave a scar - God doesn't want us scarred by our losses. He doesn't
want us to make a memorial to them. He wants us to mourn and then go
on to the future He has planned for us.

When it became evident that God had not answered David's prayer in
the way he had hoped, the scripture says in verse 20a that
he "arose". That is what we need to do as well. At some point, we
must "rise above" our grief and sorrow, pick up the pieces and go on.
Remember Joseph's words: You meant evil against me, but God meant it
for good in order to bring about this present result... Satan means
this affliction as evil against us but God means it for good in order
to bring about some purpose of His own in your life or in the lives
of others. Decide that you are going to trust Him in this and live
your life within the constraints that He has placed upon you, just as
Joseph did. This is the first step in bearing fruit.

Next, in verse 20b, it says he "washed". Each one of us is God's
vessel to be used for His purposes. One of my particular losses was
my health when I became chronically ill. Before that, I was a typical
type-A personality - a perfectionist who was involved in everything.
When, because of pain and fatigue, I was unable to work, serve the
Lord and minister to my family in the old ways, it was very difficult
for me. But I am finding that He is now using me in new ways. So when
I read that David washed himself, I think of washing out my "vessel"
and getting it all ready for God to use in a new way.

Verse 20c says he "anointed himself". Of course, we know that oil is
a symbol of the Holy Spirit. We also know that one of the very names
used for the Holy Spirit is "The Comforter" (John 14) At this point
in the grief process, we must let the Holy Ghost minister to us in
two ways: First, we need the Holy Ghost to comfort us in our grief. Then we
need to let the Holy Ghost empower us for the road ahead.

Next, in verse 20d, it says he "changed his garments". We need to do
that as well. Put away the mourning clothes - God is about to do
something new! Put on the garment of praise for the spirit of
heaviness.

Then, verse 20e reveals that he "worshipped" God. We, too, need to
worship Him. In his extreme situation, Job was able to say, "The Lord
gives, the Lord takes away; Blessed be the Name of the Lord." Does
that sound too difficult? Understand this: if God is God, He deserves
our worship whether things are going well in our lives or not. But
once you really know Him, you will find it easy to worship Him - even
in the worst of circumstances. This is because when we really know
Him and know His character, we discover that He is all good. He has
never done or allowed anything to be done to us in our entire lives
but that which was meant for good. We can trust Him and His love
nature even when we don't understand His reasons. "I know my plans
for you," saith the Lord," plans for a future and a hope."

Then, in verse 20f, it says "he ate". After we rise above our grief,
prepare ourselves and worship, it's time to get into the Word of God!
Find out what He wants to say to us through His Spirit and His Word.
Go and feast! His statutes are sweeter than honey and the honey comb!
Some of the most wonderful revelations take place in the furnace of
affliction!

Now, go down to verse 24a where it says he comforted Bathsheba. II
Cor. 1: 4 says that we are to "comfort others who are in any
affliction with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by
God." Your experience with pain, suffering and loss will draw you
closer to the Lord. You will experience Him in a new, fuller way -
you will know Him in a new way. As a result, you will find yourself
drawn to others and them to you. You will find yourself ministering
God's love in new ways.

Finally, it says he "went in to Bathsheba and lay with her" and she
gave birth to Solomon. I'm sure that David and Bathsheba, like all
parents, had dreams for that first child - dreams and hopes that were
dashed and left unfulfilled when he died. Do you have dreams that now
seem destined to remain unfulfilled? Had you hoped that your life
would turn out differently? Give up those hopes and dreams to God and
let Him give you new ones, just as He gave David and Bathsheba a new
son. God has created us for good works that we should walk in them.

God bless
Sister Phylis

tufluv
06-19-2004, 12:51 PM
Hi Sister Phyllis! So GOOD to see ya!

Great post! I've missed your wisdom. ;)

Have a great day in the LORD! :banana:

Praxeas
06-19-2004, 10:36 PM
Wow! Phyliss, that was a good read. Thank you. I was wondering how you would apply Kubler-Ross' five stages of dying (Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression, Acceptance) to this process.
Be Well!

jpopeakrona
06-20-2004, 06:29 AM
Praise the Lord! Sis. Phyllis, I really enjoyed reading your post. It brings a new meaning to "good mourning". If we humble ourselves in the sight of the Lord, he shall lift us up. May the Lord richly bless you.

Phyllis
06-20-2004, 09:11 AM
Wow! Phyliss, that was a good read. Thank you. I was wondering how you would apply Kubler-Ross' five stages of dying (Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression, Acceptance) to this process.
Be Well!

Good morning Thank you for your kind words I will respond to your question once I have a bit of time to do so okay . May you have a great day in the Lord for Jesus is our all sufficiency

God bless
sister Phyllis

Phyllis
06-20-2004, 09:12 AM
Thank you and may God bless you abundantly this day in JESUS NAME

Sister phyllis

Phyllis
06-20-2004, 09:14 AM
Hi there Thank you . It is not my wisdom it is the Lord Jesus and the leading of the Holy Spirit that lays things on my heart Praise the Lord!! There is a saying, It is not about me It is about Jesus. He is everything and I am just His humble servant Have a great day in Jesus

God bless
sis Phyllis

Phyllis
06-20-2004, 04:27 PM
Wow! Phyliss, that was a good read. Thank you. I was wondering how you would apply Kubler-Ross' five stages of dying (Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression, Acceptance) to this process.
Be Well!

I had a few minutes this afternoon so this is my opinion on Kubler-Ross' five stages of dying.

I dont necessarirly agree with all Kubler-Ross has said for it is my opinion that she chose the right word but I think that she failed to provide an adequate description. More important, her description carries a bias that made her vulnerable to criticism. While her intention was to humanize death, to insist on the need for a caring community that would surround the dying person, her description of acceptance as the need to be left alone can be read as inviting isolation, of leaving the dying person to his or her solitariness. She did not provide a scientific argument for this pattern, despite the fact of using the language of developmental stage theory. and she seemed to leave out the christian prespective.of death.

Here is a question I have tired to answer in my reply.

Does an approach, which defies death and hopes for its speedy banishment, allow for grief when death occurs?

The Bible and Grief

Grief and belief are not mutually exclusive. Grief is an appropriate response to death, even for the believer. There is "a time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance" (Ecc 3:4, NRSV). While the Christian gospel gives us great hope in the face of loss, it does not rescue us from the pain of loss. "Crying does not brand a griever as being weak and without faith," writes William Miller. "Experiencing and expressing feelings of anger in grief may be very appropriate and does not necessarily make one a "bad" person "

Death is a reality all must face. Society as a whole, and Christians in particular, will at different times and in diverse ways exert subtle or even explicit pressure on the bereaved to avoid the grief, which naturally follows. Yet grief is necessary for mental well-being.

The Christian hope of the resurrection provides an ending point for grief, as it focuses the believer on the One who has the keys of death and the grave (cf Rev 1:18). Even so, it also recognizes that grief and despair will come.

We need to understand the components of the grieving process and be equipped to address the concerns of dying patients and the bereaved. Additionally, while allowing for the pain of loss, we must also be prepared to offer the hope of eternal life which Christ brings to us. Our hope lies in Jesus and as believers in Him when we deal with an individual who is dying or the family who has died we need to be prepared to give to them the hope that is found only in the Lord Jesus Chirst.and present them as the opportunity arises with the salvation plan found in acts 2:38 to repent, be baptized in Jesus name for the remission of sins and to be filled with the Holy Ghost. That is where our hope lies. and their hope lies. and what will help them ot get through the grieving process and the other stages that Kubler-Ross statges

The fact that God's people mourned at the time of death can be noted in a variety of biblical passages and stories. Consider, for example, the actions of Abraham at the time of the death of Sarah, his wife. He "went to mourn for Sarah and to weep over her" (Gen 23:2, NIV), notes the biblical writer. Or ponder the actions of Joseph when his father Jacob died: "Joseph threw himself upon his father and wept over him and kissed him" (Gen 50:1, NIV). And what of the actions of the entire people of Israel at the death of Moses, their leader? "The Israelites grieved for Moses in the plains of Moab thirty days, until the time of weeping and mourning was over" (Dt 34:8, NIV). And our Lord himself, standing at the graveside of his friend Lazarus, and in the full knowledge of the resurrection set to occur, wept (See Jn 11:35).

Writing to the believers at Thessalonica, Paul urges them to consider the promise of the Lord's return and the resurrection which will then take place: "But we do not want you to be uniformed, brothers and sisters, about those who have died, so that you may not grieve as others do who have no hope" (1 Thess 4:13, NRSV, italics supplied). Notice the Paul does not use the hope of the coming of the Lord as a reason to avoid grief. Rather, he points out that a believer need not grieve as though there is no hope. In other words, Christian grief has a definite end. Its end is in the hope of the appearing of Christ.


Peter, who had grater reason to feel despair than any other follower of Christ, later wrote, "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! By his great mercy he has given us a new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the death" (1 Pet 1:3, NRSV)

.The reality of Christ's resurrection made hope possible against the backdrop of profound disillusionment and despair.

Thanks be to him who rescues us from the power of the grave

It seems clear from this brief perusal of selected passages that people in Scripture sorrowed, mourned, and grieved at times of loss. Should less be expected of contemporary believers in their times of bereavement?

Just a few throughs and my opinion only .

God bless
Sister Phyllis

tufluv
06-21-2004, 12:25 AM
Hi there Thank you . It is not my wisdom it is the Lord Jesus and the leading of the Holy Spirit that lays things on my heart Praise the Lord!! There is a saying, It is not about me It is about Jesus. He is everything and I am just His humble servant Have a great day in Jesus

God bless
sis Phyllis
OKAY, so I really meant the wisdom you share, that has first come directly from JESUS! :D
And life's experiences no doubt lend spice to what we all speak, as well.

Solomon asked for wisdom..so obviously there is nothing wrong with wanting to be wise., for he received it direct from GOD!
So can any of us.
I wish to be wiser each day..as GOD leads.

Wise enough even now, to know that grief over loss of loved ones, is normal and expected..GOD can feel our hurts and grieves with us...for each person is foremostly, HIS marvelous creation.

Phyllis
06-21-2004, 02:58 AM
Thanks I understood whatyou meant and I like what you said here , and Isaiah 40:31 is one of my favorites.

"Wise enough even now, to know that grief over loss of loved ones, is normal and expected..GOD can feel our hurts and grieves with us...for each person is foremostly, HIS marvelous creation."
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"But they that wait upon the LORD..shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint". Isa.40:31

God bless my friend

sister Phyllis

Naomi
06-21-2004, 11:22 AM
I think the grieving process is necessary with death. My Father is dying and I'm experiencing it now. Everyone else in my family is in the denial stage.

I never went through denial.

I believe people should be allowed to deal with death as they deem it necessary.

I don't understand when people tell others who are grieving that they are doing it wrong.

I am not going to my Father's funeral. I am not even going to the funeral home. I don't want to see him dead.

My family is very upset with me because of it.

It's not a good thing to push beliefs on how to grieve on people grieving.

We should all be respectful towards those that are left behind.

Praxeas
06-21-2004, 03:05 PM
Phyllis, I too am concerned about Kubler-Ross' lack of empirical evidence and the lack of biblical support (I'm not saying that there is none but I've not given the time to looking for any), but I do like the way you have interspersed scripture with your thoughts. I'm reminded that "...weeping may endure for the night, but joy cometh in the morning." (Ps. 30:5)

There is another thing that I've noticed. It seems that some have taken the wonderful message of faith and divine healing and turned it into a perversion by insisting that unless one is healed then they have no faith and "whatsoever is not of faith is sin." I find this thinking to be extemely narrow-minded in light of the fact that the New Testament teaches that there is a sickness unto death. I rejoice for anyone who is healed and I sorrow for anyone who dies never coming to terms with their mortality because the erroneous thinking of a few. These few use the lack of healing as some sort of indicator of sin in the sufferer's life. Have you come across this teaching? How do you respond to it?

Thank you for your God-given insight and scriptural counsel.
Be Well!

In His Service
06-22-2004, 02:27 PM
I think the grieving process is necessary with death. My Father is dying and I'm experiencing it now. Everyone else in my family is in the denial stage.

I never went through denial.

I believe people should be allowed to deal with death as they deem it necessary.

I don't understand when people tell others who are grieving that they are doing it wrong.

I am not going to my Father's funeral. I am not even going to the funeral home. I don't want to see him dead.

My family is very upset with me because of it.

It's not a good thing to push beliefs on how to grieve on people grieving.

We should all be respectful towards those that are left behind.

Dear Naomi,
I am sorry that your father is dying. Death of a loved one is a hard thing. Please take time to pray and ask God what you can do to help your other family members. To be able to help them during the time of thier loss as well as yours, can be a great work of Love. Just being a shoulder to try on , and having a shoulder to try on for yourself can help greatly.

Not going might close a door that you would rather keep open. During times of loss the family is going through emotional upheavel and things can happen that drive people from each other. I do not know that your not going would do such, but pray about it, for I know you would not want that to happen.

God bless and we are praying for you,
Bro. Timothy