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ddc101
06-23-2004, 07:58 PM
I found this great article on inner healing.Having come to truth by route of the catholic church I wanted to say that there charismatic meetings promote Inner Healing etc.Just wanted to see if any of you have looked into this topic any.Remember I did not write this and its only an exerpt shared for a conversation topic.lv sis.c
Inner Healing


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Inner healing beliefs and techniques continue to deceive many Christians. A central belief is that we are the way we are because of past hurts that need to be healed through reliving the past and bringing Jesus into past events. This is a deceptive combination of Freudian psychology and occult visualization. The inner healer is convinced that present problems are expressions of past wounds that must be healed before the person can overcome problems of living and get on with life.

The inner healer, through various techniques, encourages the person to remember past events and to connect them with present problems or pain. He may use hypnosis or he may simply make suggestions about what might have happened. Such suggestions often act in the same way as hypnosis for people who are susceptible to suggestion and who have strong imaginations. The healer may guide the person back through past events, which may or may not have happened, through visualizing these events.

The healer helps the person not only to relive the actual or created past, but also to feel the pain and agony. This highly emotional part of inner healing is similar to Freud’s abreaction. Either prior to or at this point of emotional intensity, a Jesus figure is brought into the scene to bring healing. Some inner healers do this through guided imagery, others make suggestions about what Jesus may be doing or saying, and still others let the person who has already been led to this point of intensity to wait expectantly for Jesus to speak or act. This is all highly suggestive and, because of the use of occult-type visualization, the Jesus being visualized, having been created by the healer or the client, cannot be the Jesus of the Bible.

While different inner healers may have their own combination of techniques and therefore claim that what they do is quite different from the above brief description, they all attempt to change present problems by changing some aspect of the past through bringing the client back to a painful event (either actually remembered or created under suggestion) and by helping the person to reexperience the pain of the past. There are far more inner healers than one can know about, but some of the prominent names are Agnes Sanford, Ruth Carter Stapleton, John and Paula Sandford, Leanne Payne, David Seamands, Dennis and Rita Bennett, and Ed Smith, even though he claims that his "TheoPhostic Counseling" is different from inner healing.

Jesus works miraculously in our innermost being through the Word of God and the work of the Holy Spirit and therefore brings about what some may call "inner healing." But that’s where the similarity ends regarding what Jesus does and what the inner healers do. The similarity is only in the use of the words "inner healing," but that’s why it is so deceptive. People assume that, because Jesus works on the inside, all inner healing must be from Him. Nevertheless, while the inner healing movement claims to be Christian and uses a great deal of Scripture and brings a visualized Jesus onto the scene, the inner healing movement comes from the world, the flesh, and the devil. It relies on psychological ideas and techniques gleaned or absorbed from the world. It appeals to the flesh because the flesh would rather be "healed" than reproved of sin. And, it often uses Satanic methods of suggestion and occult visualization.

Dr. Jane Gumprecht’s book Abusing Memory reveals the history of the movement and its founder, Agnes Sanford; describes what goes on in inner healing; reveals its occult rather than Christian roots; and warns Christians to stay away. We recently received a letter from Dr. Gumprecht in which she says that she receives calls and letters about her book because of John and Paula Sandford’s continuing worldwide influence in spreading inner healing throughout various churches and denominations. Dr. Gumprecht’s book includes quotes from the Sandfords’ books, which clearly indicate they are devoted followers and promoters of Agnes Sanford’s deceptive inner healing practices. Abusing Memory is an important book for anyone who needs information about inner healing.

Esther
06-24-2004, 10:41 AM
Interesting article, was not aware of this teaching. Thanks for posting.

triciascall
06-25-2004, 11:33 AM
You know,sister, the enemy really tries to cook up something to equal God.

Only Jesus can heal the inside of us. When we come to God we let HIM heal the hurts by giving them to HIM and letting go of it ourselves.
He is able.

God Bless you.

ddc101
06-25-2004, 12:44 PM
Sister the funny thing is that when I posted this article I did not know it was the front cover of the Pentecostal Herald this month.The enemy would love for us to carry hurts around saying....I need inner healing when in fact the longer we live for God the further we get from the past and circumstance.
We need to forgive people totally.Forgiveness of self is not a biblical requirement.When Jesus said to love the Lord with all our heart,mind and soul.He did not say love yourself.He said love your neighbor as yourself.He knew we were already inheritly selfish to begin with.But he wanted to displace self with loving your neighbor.lv sis.c

Roxanne Murphy
07-08-2004, 07:01 PM
Sister the funny thing is that when I posted this article I did not know it was the front cover of the Pentecostal Herald this month.The enemy would love for us to carry hurts around saying....I need inner healing when in fact the longer we live for God the further we get from the past and circumstance.
We need to forgive people totally.Forgiveness of self is not a biblical requirement.When Jesus said to love the Lord with all our heart,mind and soul.He did not say love yourself.He said love your neighbor as yourself.He knew we were already inheritly selfish to begin with.But he wanted to displace self with loving your neighbor.lv sis.c
Funny, the first thing I thought of was the newest Pentecostal Herald. I read it, and I am ashamed that what used to be a tool for declaring the goodness of God and the truth of the Word of God has become another magazine spouting pop psychology, humanism, and self. God have mercy!

Sis. Roxanne

Revivalist
07-08-2004, 08:19 PM
I am with Sis Roxanne........Lets bring back the OLD Herald. The new one put me more in the mind of Charisma magazine.YUK!

ddc101
07-08-2004, 11:54 PM
Amen I go for that.I used to love to read the Louisiana Challenger.Now its so busy and has much less article and lots more ads.I suppose I am old time.lv sis.c

Jennyofaye
07-09-2004, 09:18 AM
Inner healing comes only from God. We all agree with that. However, some people get so very low they can't even smell their own socks. If UPCI Herald can help just one backslider or sinner who might pick up that magazine would not the articles be wonderful salvation tools. I see the Herald in hospitals and other places I visit where there are lots of unbelievers and people of a different religious persuasion. I am proud of people who will read the magazine then share it with others. I hope the Herald stays reader friendly. The pulpit is a great place for doctrine. The Herald is a great place for all who profess to know God and for an uplifting for those who know the great truth of the Godhead. Sorry to differ with those of you who don't like the new Herald.
Also, I don't know how anyone can love their brother or the Lord if they don't love themselves. We don't love ourselves to pamper ourselves. But we must love ourselves to feed, clean, and clothe ourselves. If I did not love myself I would not make myself read and pray, eat properly, or clothe myself according to God's word. Let's be careful and give thought to what is said if we are to be a light to another sister in trouble. All of us have enough of the world putting us down. Let's lift one another up. I would like to be a light not a stumbling block for the salvation of a brother or sister who may be smelling their socks.

Roxanne Murphy
07-09-2004, 12:04 PM
Inner healing comes only from God. We all agree with that. However, some people get so very low they can't even smell their own socks. If UPCI Herald can help just one backslider or sinner who might pick up that magazine would not the articles be wonderful salvation tools. I see the Herald in hospitals and other places I visit where there are lots of unbelievers and people of a different religious persuasion. I am proud of people who will read the magazine then share it with others. I hope the Herald stays reader friendly. The pulpit is a great place for doctrine. The Herald is a great place for all who profess to know God and for an uplifting for those who know the great truth of the Godhead. Sorry to differ with those of you who don't like the new Herald.
Also, I don't know how anyone can love their brother or the Lord if they don't love themselves. We don't love ourselves to pamper ourselves. But we must love ourselves to feed, clean, and clothe ourselves. If I did not love myself I would not make myself read and pray, eat properly, or clothe myself according to God's word. Let's be careful and give thought to what is said if we are to be a light to another sister in trouble. All of us have enough of the world putting us down. Let's lift one another up. I would like to be a light not a stumbling block for the salvation of a brother or sister who may be smelling their socks.
Sister, the Bible tells us plainly that we already love ourselves. And, because we already do, we should be busy loving others as much as we already love ourselves. It is a subtle and sneaky twist of the scripture to say we have to love ourselves first before we can love others, and it is wrong.

I ask, what good is a magazine that is just like all the other magazines? Of what help can it be to a lost and hurting soul when it no longer points that soul to the real answer, Jesus? This lost world needs to hear the preaching of Jesus Christ and Him crucified, not another twist on pop psychology and self exaltation.

Those who claim to have the truth and the power of the Name of Jesus should be declaring it, not just in words, but in all that we say and do, even in publications.

Lord bless you,
Sis. Roxanne

SisEdith
07-09-2004, 04:01 PM
I found this great article on inner healing.Having come to truth by route of the catholic church I wanted to say that there charismatic meetings promote Inner Healing etc.Just wanted to see if any of you have looked into this topic any.Remember I did not write this and its only an exerpt shared for a conversation topic.lv sis.c
Inner Healing


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Inner healing beliefs and techniques continue to deceive many Christians. A central belief is that we are the way we are because of past hurts that need to be healed through reliving the past and bringing Jesus into past events. This is a deceptive combination of Freudian psychology and occult visualization. The inner healer is convinced that present problems are expressions of past wounds that must be healed before the person can overcome problems of living and get on with life.

The inner healer, through various techniques, encourages the person to remember past events and to connect them with present problems or pain. He may use hypnosis or he may simply make suggestions about what might have happened. Such suggestions often act in the same way as hypnosis for people who are susceptible to suggestion and who have strong imaginations. The healer may guide the person back through past events, which may or may not have happened, through visualizing these events.

The healer helps the person not only to relive the actual or created past, but also to feel the pain and agony. This highly emotional part of inner healing is similar to Freud’s abreaction. Either prior to or at this point of emotional intensity, a Jesus figure is brought into the scene to bring healing. Some inner healers do this through guided imagery, others make suggestions about what Jesus may be doing or saying, and still others let the person who has already been led to this point of intensity to wait expectantly for Jesus to speak or act. This is all highly suggestive and, because of the use of occult-type visualization, the Jesus being visualized, having been created by the healer or the client, cannot be the Jesus of the Bible.

While different inner healers may have their own combination of techniques and therefore claim that what they do is quite different from the above brief description, they all attempt to change present problems by changing some aspect of the past through bringing the client back to a painful event (either actually remembered or created under suggestion) and by helping the person to reexperience the pain of the past. There are far more inner healers than one can know about, but some of the prominent names are Agnes Sanford, Ruth Carter Stapleton, John and Paula Sandford, Leanne Payne, David Seamands, Dennis and Rita Bennett, and Ed Smith, even though he claims that his "TheoPhostic Counseling" is different from inner healing.

Jesus works miraculously in our innermost being through the Word of God and the work of the Holy Spirit and therefore brings about what some may call "inner healing." But that’s where the similarity ends regarding what Jesus does and what the inner healers do. The similarity is only in the use of the words "inner healing," but that’s why it is so deceptive. People assume that, because Jesus works on the inside, all inner healing must be from Him. Nevertheless, while the inner healing movement claims to be Christian and uses a great deal of Scripture and brings a visualized Jesus onto the scene, the inner healing movement comes from the world, the flesh, and the devil. It relies on psychological ideas and techniques gleaned or absorbed from the world. It appeals to the flesh because the flesh would rather be "healed" than reproved of sin. And, it often uses Satanic methods of suggestion and occult visualization.

Dr. Jane Gumprecht’s book Abusing Memory reveals the history of the movement and its founder, Agnes Sanford; describes what goes on in inner healing; reveals its occult rather than Christian roots; and warns Christians to stay away. We recently received a letter from Dr. Gumprecht in which she says that she receives calls and letters about her book because of John and Paula Sandford’s continuing worldwide influence in spreading inner healing throughout various churches and denominations. Dr. Gumprecht’s book includes quotes from the Sandfords’ books, which clearly indicate they are devoted followers and promoters of Agnes Sanford’s deceptive inner healing practices. Abusing Memory is an important book for anyone who needs information about inner healing.


WARNING, WARNING, TILT, TILT. THIS IS NEW AGE AND YES STAY CLEAR OF ALL INNER HEALERS CLAIMING TO BE CHRISTIANS.

SisEdith
07-09-2004, 04:05 PM
Sister the funny thing is that when I posted this article I did not know it was the front cover of the Pentecostal Herald this month.The enemy would love for us to carry hurts around saying....I need inner healing when in fact the longer we live for God the further we get from the past and circumstance.
We need to forgive people totally.Forgiveness of self is not a biblical requirement.When Jesus said to love the Lord with all our heart,mind and soul.He did not say love yourself.He said love your neighbor as yourself.He knew we were already inheritly selfish to begin with.But he wanted to displace self with loving your neighbor.lv sis.c
Am I mistaken or does this article not WARN us of this movement? I have not seen the Herald yet but according to this article you just posted it's a warning. Correct me if I'm wrong. I just skimmed it.

Roxanne Murphy
07-09-2004, 04:11 PM
WARNING, WARNING, TILT, TILT. THIS IS NEW AGE AND YES STAY CLEAR OF ALL INNER HEALERS CLAIMING TO BE CHRISTIANS.
Yep, and I hope I don't rock your world too bad, but there are several such people writing these kinds of articles in the Pentecostal Herald. It is a shame, and a disappointment, to say the least.

Sis. Roxanne

SisEdith
07-09-2004, 04:24 PM
Yep, and I hope I don't rock your world too bad, but there are several such people writing these kinds of articles in the Pentecostal Herald. It is a shame, and a disappointment, to say the least.

Sis. Roxanne
Are they writng these kinds ao articles in favor of this teaching or in warning. Why would you think it would rock my world. I hate New Age thought. I'll write to the editors!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Roxanne Murphy
07-09-2004, 04:54 PM
Are they writng these kinds ao articles in favor of this teaching or in warning. Why would you think it would rock my world. I hate New Age thought. I'll write to the editors!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sister, they are promoting it!

Sis. Roxanne

SisEdith
07-09-2004, 05:19 PM
Sister, they are promoting it!

Sis. Roxanne
I just don't understand it. HOW? Are they blind to the Word of God all of a sudden? This infuriates me.

Roxanne Murphy
07-09-2004, 06:51 PM
I just don't understand it. HOW? Are they blind to the Word of God all of a sudden? This infuriates me.
Nope, this isn't an all of a sudden deal, it's been slowing building for the past several years. It started in the ladies' ministries stuff, with the writings of a licensed psychologist, and the promotion of lots of feelings and self (which is just humanism in a fancy dress). I don't know if those in charge just didn't check it out with the scripture, or if it has knowingly been allowed in, but now it is in the main publication. This nonsense has been showing up in the Sunday School literature for the past few years, too, and in the family publications from HQ. An organization that once stood for the truth of the Word of God without compromise has been allowing the philosophies of the world to mix with it, and we have not yet begun to see the harvest that this seed will produce. God have mercy!

Sis. Roxanne

SisEdith
07-09-2004, 07:25 PM
Nope, this isn't an all of a sudden deal, it's been slowing building for the past several years. It started in the ladies' ministries stuff, with the writings of a licensed psychologist, and the promotion of lots of feelings and self (which is just humanism in a fancy dress). I don't know if those in charge just didn't check it out with the scripture, or if it has knowingly been allowed in, but now it is in the main publication. This nonsense has been showing up in the Sunday School literature for the past few years, too, and in the family publications from HQ. An organization that once stood for the truth of the Word of God without compromise has been allowing the philosophies of the world to mix with it, and we have not yet begun to see the harvest that this seed will produce. God have mercy!

Sis. Roxanne
Has anyone called them on it?

Roxanne Murphy
07-09-2004, 08:17 PM
Has anyone called them on it?
I wrote a letter to Sis. Melissa Anderson back in 1999, and my husband wrote a letter to Bro. Fiorino about the same time, addressing these conncerns. Didn't get so much as a thank you, drop dead, go play in traffic; no response at all. And it is now worse than ever.

Sis. Roxanne

survivor4christ
07-09-2004, 09:09 PM
Funny, the first thing I thought of was the newest Pentecostal Herald. I read it, and I am ashamed that what used to be a tool for declaring the goodness of God and the truth of the Word of God has become another magazine spouting pop psychology, humanism, and self. God have mercy!

Sis. Roxanne


Yeah,

I picked up a copy of the PH and I was like, WHAT? :shrug:

Looked nothing like the PH I remember from back in the day! I remember the testimonies of thousands being filled with the Holy Ghost. I remember edifying articles on living for Christ in victory!

Now, I don't know what to call it. It is on the floor of my car now... :(

Love,
Sis. Wenona

SisEdith
07-09-2004, 09:44 PM
Yeah,

I picked up a copy of the PH and I was like, WHAT? :shrug:

Looked nothing like the PH I remember from back in the day! I remember the testimonies of thousands being filled with the Holy Ghost. I remember edifying articles on living for Christ in victory!

Now, I don't know what to call it. It is on the floor of my car now... :(

Love,
Sis. Wenona
On the way to apostacy! When I get my hands on one I am taking it straight to my Pastor. I am zealous about false doctrine and I'll call headquarters.

ddc101
07-09-2004, 11:36 PM
While you are calling Headquarters recommend The Soteric Counseling Institute being taught by Sister Linda Doty and Brother Ensey.They are awesome.Brother Ensey has a book entitled the Cross and the Couch.lv sis.c

SisEdith
07-10-2004, 11:05 AM
While you are calling Headquarters recommend The Soteric Counseling Institute being taught by Sister Linda Doty and Brother Ensey.They are awesome.Brother Ensey has a book entitled the Cross and the Couch.lv sis.c
What do you mean?

ddc101
07-16-2004, 04:13 PM
Soteric Counseling is biblical based counseling.Bro.Ensey and Sister Doty head this endeaver.
Here is the link:
www.soteric.org

HangingOn
09-05-2004, 07:46 AM
I have this book and if I could I would send it to every Oneness Apostolic!
This book tells it like it is and everyone in the truth should want to know
the truth about this, too. Brother Ensey's book is not my only research
on psychiatry. I have done a very in depth reserach for two years.