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DrunkNtheSpirit
06-29-2004, 03:40 PM
What is meant by the expression "The right hand of God"? According to Exodus 15:6, Moses and the Isrealites on the safe side of the Red Sea claimed to have seen "the right hand of God" When the waters fell in upon the Egyptians and they were drowned.What did they actually see? Nothing but a tremendous manifestation of Gods power and glory.This they called "The right hand of God". Stephen was a isrealite and knew the hebrew scriptures. When he used the expression "The right hand of God" he meant exactly what Moses meant when he used the same phrase. Stephen claimed to see Jesus in the place of glory and power and described this as "The right hand of God"(Acts 7:55). We should note that after recieving the vision Stephen still believed that Jesus was God. He called upon God and said "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit" (Acts 7:59). Only God the Father recieves the spirits of men in death (Psaml 31:5; Ecclesiastes 12:7; Hebrews 12:9).Stephen knew that too and yet said "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit." Stephen believed that Jesus was God and the father veiled in flesh. If , as trinitarians affirm, Stephen saw two, then God is not invisible, God has been seen, Jesus is not the express image of God but simply an image (all of which contradict the scriptures). And Stephen committed his spirit to the wrong member of the trinity!

Truthseeker
06-29-2004, 03:46 PM
What is meant by the expression "The right hand of God"? According to Exodus 15:6, Moses and the Isrealites on the safe side of the Red Sea claimed to have seen "the right hand of God" When the waters fell in upon the Egyptians and they were drowned.What did they actually see? Nothing but a tremendous manifestation of Gods power and glory.This they called "The right hand of God". Stephen was a isrealite and knew the hebrew scriptures. When he used the expression "The right hand of God" he meant exactly what Moses meant when he used the same phrase. Stephen claimed to see Jesus in the place of glory and power and described this as "The right hand of God"(Acts 7:55). We should note that after recieving the vision Stephen still believed that Jesus was God. He called upon God and said "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit" (Acts 7:59). Only God the Father recieves the spirits of men in death (Psaml 31:5; Ecclesiastes 12:7; Hebrews 12:9).Stephen knew that too and yet said "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit." Stephen believed that Jesus was God and the father veiled in flesh. If , as trinitarians affirm, Stephen saw two, then God is not invisible, God has been seen, Jesus is not the express image of God but simply an image (all of which contradict the scriptures). And Stephen committed his spirit to the wrong member of the trinity!


It represents the power of God.

Your right about you have to actually see God to know Jesus is standing on the right had of God. Impossible, plus does God actually have hands?

Here's something to chew on. Why is Jesus standing in the the vision to Stephen when other scriputres say he is sitting?

DrunkNtheSpirit
06-29-2004, 03:56 PM
It represents the power of God.

Your right about you have to actually see God to know Jesus is standing on the right had of God. Impossible, plus does God actually have hands?

Here's something to chew on. Why is Jesus standing in the the vision to Stephen when other scriputres say he is sitting?
I dont know i didnt realy notice that. Please explain.

Truthseeker
06-29-2004, 04:15 PM
I dont know i didnt realy notice that. Please explain.


I don't really know either, but got a guess. I think when royalty or king stands from his throne for someone he only does it as an act of extreme honour to receive the person. Standing for somoone is a act of respect and honour. Alot of times one will stand when be introduced to someone, especially if they consider the person important.

By Jesus standing in the vision he was showing Stephen great honour. Stephen said receive my spirit and Jesus stood showing honour to the one he was about to receive.

Not much I can give to prove this, but just my thoughts. Not real important but fun to talk about.

Sounds good!

DrunkNtheSpirit
06-29-2004, 04:29 PM
sounds reseaonable to me. I get alot of heat from the trinity over this topic. They say that any of the persons in the Godhead can except spirits. Esscl. and Psalms both say that only the God that gave the spirit is able to take it back,and that would ge God the father,and then it proves that Jesus is the father because Stephen asked Jesus to receive his spirit because he knew who Jesus realy is.

Naomi
06-29-2004, 04:46 PM
This is off topic, but this thread reminded me of something. Check out this photo. It's called The Hand of God.

http://www.angelfire.com/biz2/catsincorp/HandOfGod.html

DrunkNtheSpirit
06-29-2004, 06:36 PM
that was awesome, ive never seen anything like that thanks for shareing that with me.

Naomi
06-29-2004, 06:57 PM
You are very welcome. Did it send shivers down your spine?

DrunkNtheSpirit
06-29-2004, 11:38 PM
it certainly did

Balu
07-02-2004, 02:35 AM
This is off topic, but this thread reminded me of something. Check out this photo. It's called The Hand of God.

http://www.angelfire.com/biz2/catsincorp/HandOfGod.html
Thank you sister for the photo, I saw it and it was so awesome.

GOD IS GREAT AND GREATLY TO BE PRAICE:banana: :wah:

Ace
07-02-2004, 11:39 PM
It is definitely HIS strength:

St. John 12:34 "The people answered him, WE have heard out of the law that Christ abideth for ever: and how sayest thou, The Son of man must be lifted up? who is this Son of man?" ......vs37"But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him: That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed? Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again, He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they shoud not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them. These things said Esaias when he saw his glory and spake of him."

Isaiah 53:1 is the reference quoted in John. Read it. It is all about Jesus (rejected,despised, wounded bruised, striped)

Isaiah 51:9 " Awake, awake put on strength, O arm of the LORD; awake, as in the ancient days, in the generations of old. Art thou not it that hath cut Rahab and wounded the dragon? Art thou not it which hath dried the sea, the waters of the great deep; that hath made the depths of the sea a way for the ransomed to pass over? Therefore the redeemed of the LORD shall return.... vs 15 But I am the LORD thy God, that divided the sea, whose waves roared: The LORD of hosts is his name.
Isaiah 59:16 "And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor: therefore his arm brought salvation unto him; and his rightiousness, it sustained him. For he put on righteousness as a breastplate, and an helmet of salvation upon his head; and he put on the garments of vengeance for clothing, and was clad with zeal as a cloke."
Isaiah 63:5-19

"line apon line"

This was actually from another post I had done.

kyapostolic
07-03-2004, 02:04 AM
It primarily indicates the judgmental relationship Jesus has with mankind, but contrary to how most people interpret it, it also is meant to explain the oneness of God.
The throne is a symbol of God's judgment, the seat from which He exercises authority. When the Bible says Jesus is seated at the right hand of God, or at "the right hand of the throne of the Majesty" (Heb 8:1) or "at the right hand of the throne of God" (Heb 12.2), it is a symbolic statement that shows that Jesus is not sitting in judgment yet, and has not yet revealed Himself in His full majesty. That is to say, He will only "ascend the throne" when He comes again in all his full power and glory and starts the judgment. In this period of time, He is still allowing people to ask the question "Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?" But when He ascends that throne and comes to judge, no one will ask that any longer (Zech 12.12).
That is the meaning ot Psalm 110.1, where God says "The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool." This is not one person talking to another, but a revelation of the course of this age and of God's oneness. In human kingdoms, the right hand at a table or a seat was a place of honor, and was usualy occupied by the first son, who was the heir. God was using that human arrangement to teach us something.
Another reason for the throne statements is that Jesus is God's heir. In other words, he has inherited all that God has, because he is God, just in another revealed form.
Hebrews 1.1-2 says:
"God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds."

This is just a symbolic way of saying that there is just one God! Jesus is heir because he has all that God has, and is all that God is. He is allowed to have all that God has and be all that God is, simply because he is God! God would not give his glory to another, and if the Bible says God has given his majesty, his Kingdom, and his attributes to another, you'd better know that this heir is God Himself! Jesus has it all because He is it all!

Remember John 5.22-23:
"For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him."

There are many other verses that speak of this.
Hope this is clear. Sometimes the Bible makes symbolic statements that take a little time to explain.

DiscipleSteve
07-03-2004, 02:24 AM
Well, i think that the phrase "The Right Hand of God" refers to the "Authority of God" or probably more correctly "Power of God". I think the scripture was more perfectly translated in Mark 14:62 "And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven." I really like the message that DrunkNtheSpirit posted, excellent.

seeker
12-30-2004, 10:26 PM
There is a topic at Brother Blumes site about the right hand of God. http://mikeblume.com/rightha1.htm

Brother Blume I understood about the right hand of power, but then I don't understand what you are saying when you talk about "A BOOK IN GOD'S RIGHT HAND"

Is the right hand of God always "symbolic" since God is a spirit?

Thanks, seeker

Song05
02-12-2005, 01:02 PM
Why is Jesus standing in the the vision to Stephen when other scriputres say he is sitting?
the explination i've heard was that when God/Jesus stood he was ready to issue judgement on those killing Stephen
Isaiah 3:13 - The LORD standeth up to plead, and standeth to judge the people.but Stephen asked for God mercy
Acts 7:60 And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep