Jesus was more than Two Thousand years old.

[DrunkNtheSpirit]

John 8:56-58 provides possibly a clearer example of Christ's dual nature.After he said Abraham had seen his day, the jews responded,"Thou art not yet fifty years old,and hast thou seen Abraham?" The jews challenged Jesus about his age, saying,"Jesus you are not yet fifty." He answered them,"Before Abraham was, I AM."
Jesus declared that he was more than Two Thousand years of age, for Abraham predeceased Jesus by that amount of time.Now, Who was right, the jews or Jesus? On the surface of it both could not be right- he was either "not fifty" or over Two thousand.Which was right? Both were.The jews, for once, were right that day when they said that Jesus was not yet fifty years of age, Because as to his humanity he was not.But Jesus was also right when he declared that he was older than Abraham,for he was speaking of his deity. As God, he was the great eternal Wonder;as man, when the jews spoke to him, he was not yet fifty years of age. We merely ask ourselves the question, Is he speaking as man or as God? Is he acting as man or as God? If we do this, Then all the biblical testamony of Jesus will harmonize itself.

[stan111]

Jesus was speaking as one person. His person was that of God becoming a man. Two natures, Devine (Eternal) and human (temporal) in one union, making one person, the man Jesus our Christ.



John 8:56-58 provides possibly a clearer example of Christ's dual nature.After he said Abraham had seen his day, the jews responded,"Thou art not yet fifty years old,and hast thou seen Abraham?" The jews challenged Jesus about his age, saying,"Jesus you are not yet fifty." He answered them,"Before Abraham was, I AM."
Jesus declared that he was more than Two Thousand years of age, for Abraham predeceased Jesus by that amount of time.Now, Who was right, the jews or Jesus? On the surface of it both could not be right- he was either "not fifty" or over Two thousand.Which was right? Both were.The jews, for once, were right that day when they said that Jesus was not yet fifty years of age, Because as to his humanity he was not.But Jesus was also right when he declared that he was older than Abraham,for he was speaking of his deity. As God, he was the great eternal Wonder;as man, when the jews spoke to him, he was not yet fifty years of age. We merely ask ourselves the question, Is he speaking as man or as God? Is he acting as man or as God? If we do this, Then all the biblical testamony of Jesus will harmonize itself.

[Holyvessel]

I am sorry, but try to think out side the box.

How can you measure everlasting to everlasting

Or how can you measure or time eternal.

Psalms 90:2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.

Before time had ever exited he has there!!!

you cannot measure time on something or someone who has no begining nor ending!!!

if you have no starting point on GOD Divine spirit where are you going to start
and if you have no ending point where are you going to end.

[adampastor]

... After he said Abraham had seen his day, the jews responded,"Thou art not yet fifty years old,and hast thou seen Abraham?" The jews challenged Jesus about his age, saying,"Jesus you are not yet fifty." He answered them,"Before Abraham was, I AM."
Jesus declared that he was more than Two Thousand years of age, for Abraham predeceased Jesus by that amount of time.Now, Who was right, the jews or Jesus? ...

It is stated that "Jesus declared to be more than 2000 years old!" Did he though?
You ask who was right? Well, Jesus is always right!
However, what I personally always find amazing when people attempt to explain John 8:56-58, is the assumptions made ...

What was it that Jesus actually declared?
(John 8:56-58) Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. 57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? 58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am [he].

(The 'he' was added to the other Jesus' ego eimi statements in the KJV NT e.g. John 4:26, 8:24, 28; 13:19, 18:5,6,8; ALL without CAPS! John 8:58 shouldn't be an exception. This is simply another display of the KJV translators' bias. Compare also John 9:9 ... the same Gk words used - ego eimi)

Jesus didn't say that he saw Abraham!! Neither did he say that Abraham saw him!!
But many people attempt to explain the above verses as if Jesus said either of the above!!
What he actually said was "Abraham rejoiced to see his day!!"

IMHO, that is what people ought to seek to understand. Once they understand 'in what sense' did Abraham see the day of the Messiah ... then they would understand what Jesus meant in verse 58! IMHO!

Yep! The Jews definitely did misunderstand Jesus.
Let's try not to make the same mistake!!

[xsimmsx]

I'm sorry adam pastor I don't understand what you are trying to prove could you explain yourself further. What point was Jesus trying to make to the jews then?

[Holyvessel]

Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.



Jesus just say that Abraham saw his day and was glad

but the subject is about bout Time , once again I say:
I am sorry, but try to think out side the box.

How can you measure everlasting to everlasting

Or how can you measure or time eternal.

Psalms 90:2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.

Before time had ever exited he has there!!!

you cannot measure time on something or someone who has no begining nor ending!!!

if you have no starting point on GOD Divine spirit where are you going to start
and if you have no ending point where are you going to end.

[adampastor]

The subject has nothing to do with time!
The context is 'who is Jesus' in comparison to Abraham (and the prophets)
That is the context. That is the subject!

(John 8:53) Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?

John 8:54 onwards is Jesus' answer to the above question.
He isn't talking about 'time'!! He is talking about his priority and pre-eminence over Abraham & the prophets

[adampastor]

I'm sorry adam pastor I don't understand what you are trying to prove could you explain yourself further. What point was Jesus trying to make to the jews then?

Greetings xsimmsx
Look at my above comments.
John 8:54ff is Jesus' answer to the question proposed in verse 53.
Therefore, the onus is on us to find how in what sense did Abraham see his day. Once we understand that, then we will understand John 8:58.

[xsimmsx]

So your saying we should be focusing on the context before we answer? Also just out of curiosity what do you believe the passages to be saying?


Joshua

[Holyvessel]

the tread says Jesus was more than two thousand years old.

And when Abraham Saw Jesus in the old testament he was glad and happy he ate with him and spoke to Jesus face to face.

[adampastor]

the tread says Jesus was more than two thousand years old.

And when Abraham Saw Jesus in the old testament he was glad and happy he ate with him and spoke to Jesus face to face.

Like I said ...
Jesus NEVER ACTUALLY said "that he saw Abraham or that Abraham saw him"

To say otherwise is to read into his words, things he never said!
Hence, the myriad of explanations conc. John 8.58 because people misunderstand Jesus' simple statement & the context

[Holyvessel]

I am not misunderstand Jesus , If your a oneness then you understand that GOD Jesus, manifested himself in the flesh.
And people forget that God manifested himself in the flesh in the Old Testament
and guess who he saw let me help you.

Genesis 18:1 ¶And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;
2 And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,
3 And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:

let me skip a few more verses ...13 And the LORD said unto Abraham, Wherefore did Sarah laugh, saying, Shall I of a surety bear a child, which am old?
14 Is any thing too hard for the LORD? At the time appointed I will return unto thee, according to the time of life, and Sarah shall have a son.


GOD THE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE SAT DOWN IN THE FLESH ATE AND DRANK AND SPOKE TO ABRAHAM WHILE SITTING UNDER A TREE...

YES the verse in John speaks very clear John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

Of couse the Jew thought right also because there question was : Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?

And what was Jesus MY GOD manifested in the flesh said :

Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

there reaction was .....Then took they up stones to cast at him: Because they new exactly was jesus was saying the HE IS THE GREAT I AM...

[Hnovilla]

His NAME is Jedsus!

Good answers, Brother Adampastor!

Hebrews:
11:7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
11:8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

If I ask a question, it is not "...to doubtful disputations..."; rather to learn of the Brethren. I will assume that the original question asked in this thread was in like Spirit.
Whenever the Lord spoke, we must inquire whom was speaking: whether it was "...the son according to the flesh..."; or whether it was God, who "...was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself." The Son could do nothing of himself, but "...whatsoever things I say, it is not I but the Father which is in me, He does the works."

The answer to the question is not whether the Son was around for 2,000 years or more; he was NOT! It was the Father who was there; and not only then, but in eternity. Jesus was among the Israelites as the Son of God for only about 33 years. He is with us, still, and will be with us until "...He put ALL things under his feet."

There is much more that could be said!

It's the Gospel, Church!
Brother Villa

[ddc101]

John 8:56-58 provides possibly a clearer example of Christ's dual nature.After he said Abraham had seen his day, the jews responded,"Thou art not yet fifty years old,and hast thou seen Abraham?" The jews challenged Jesus about his age, saying,"Jesus you are not yet fifty." He answered them,"Before Abraham was, I AM."
Jesus declared that he was more than Two Thousand years of age, for Abraham predeceased Jesus by that amount of time.Now, Who was right, the jews or Jesus? On the surface of it both could not be right- he was either "not fifty" or over Two thousand.Which was right? Both were.The jews, for once, were right that day when they said that Jesus was not yet fifty years of age, Because as to his humanity he was not.But Jesus was also right when he declared that he was older than Abraham,for he was speaking of his deity. As God, he was the great eternal Wonder;as man, when the jews spoke to him, he was not yet fifty years of age. We merely ask ourselves the question, Is he speaking as man or as God? Is he acting as man or as God? If we do this, Then all the biblical testamony of Jesus will harmonize itself.


Time is endless in God.Jesus Christ however as a man was not older than two thousand.What he was saying was confirming that he was God incarnated.
With this I agree.But this is what he said about his own body:

Heb 10:3-10
3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
(KJV)