Apostle The Title Use So Much Today

[DADEACON]

The Title Apostle Like Minister Or Pastor Does This Make You Higher Than A Bishop And What Are The Steps To Become Apostle.

[DADEACON]

My Thought Is That There Are So Many Today Trying To Make Themselves Bigger And More Quailified Than The Next This Title Is Used Out Of Order

[ShiningEpistle]

you're absolutely. I believe if we did a true study of what the term Apostle meant a lot of people with that title wouldn't hold up water to it. Just an observation.

[Hnovilla]

His NAME is Jesus!


Quotes:
" I believe if we did a true study of what the term Apostle meant a lot of people with that title wouldn't hold up water to it."
'My Thought Is That There Are So Many Today Trying To Make Themselves Bigger And More Quailified Than The Next This Title Is Used Out Of Order"

We do not need a study on the term, but need to see the "evidence": the signs of an apostle will follow an apostle.
I believe that ALL the titles are "used out of order". The Lord said, "The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat..." Matthew 23:2 We are told to listen to them, but not do as they did.
The Church must also be very careful not to talk as the world; for they know not what they are speaking AGAINST: The Church KNOWS what we should ask for. Let us pray that the Lord establish the Mnistry in its entirety.

It's the Gospel, Church!
Brother villa

[Ace]

His NAME is Jesus!


Quotes:
" I believe if we did a true study of what the term Apostle meant a lot of people with that title wouldn't hold up water to it."
'My Thought Is That There Are So Many Today Trying To Make Themselves Bigger And More Quailified Than The Next This Title Is Used Out Of Order"

We do not need a study on the term, but need to see the "evidence": the signs of an apostle will follow an apostle.
I believe that ALL the titles are "used out of order". The Lord said, "The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat..." Matthew 23:2 We are told to listen to them, but not do as they did.
The Church must also be very careful not to talk as the world; for they know not what they are speaking AGAINST: The Church KNOWS what we should ask for. Let us pray that the Lord establish the Mnistry in its entirety.

It's the Gospel, Church!
Brother villa

I can't help but come to the conclusion that there are but 12 apostles and there teaching is the foundation of the church. Rev. 21:14 and Eph. 2:20

[ShiningEpistle]

I believe the fivefold ministry is in effect. I'm just leary of people who go around calling themselves Prophet this or Apostle that. I don't know. More studying on the qualifications I guess is in order before I can make a conclusion.

[jcooper]

I thought you were only an apostle if you had been with Jesus or tought by Jesus himself. that is why Paul had became an apostle by the experience on the road to Demascus. :idea: The Title Apostle Like Minister Or Pastor Does This Make You Higher Than A Bishop And What Are The Steps To Become Apostle.

[SisEdith]

The Title Apostle Like Minister Or Pastor Does This Make You Higher Than A Bishop And What Are The Steps To Become Apostle.

To qualify to be an Apostle like the 12 the scripture says you must have seen Jesus.


Edit, edit....I am sorry I didn't know this was a man's thread. Please forgive me. UUM leaving now!

[ShiningEpistle]

so what if someone tells you they've seen Jesus in a similar way Paul did? how are we suppose to process that? I'm just curious on what you'd do if someone told you they saw Jesus.

[gracetograce]

I Agree With Jcooper, Jesus Choose Twelve Apostoles Men Who Sat At Jesus Feet And Was Taught By Him. They Walked With Him Daily. These Men That Claim They Are Apostoles Are Not.
I Think These Men That Claim They Are Apostoles Just Want To Be Somebody Great In The Eyes Of Men.
Saul Who Was Later Named Paul Was The Last Of The Apostoles, Because He Was Met By Jesus On The Road To Damascus...
The Other Apostoles Wanted To Fill Judas Position So They Cast Lots And They Chose Another Man To Take Judas Place, But God Chose Paul.

God Has Called Pastors Preachers Bishops Evangelists All These Are Necessary For The Perfecting Of The Body Of Christ.
I Have Heard Men Say, I Am A Apostole Beacause I Started Ten Churches..
The Bible Didn't Say, You Become An Apostole When You Start More Than One Church.
You Had To Be A Eye Witness To The Life Of Jesus And Choosen By Him Like He Chose The Twelve...

[gracetograce]

The twelve apostoles was the ones who wrote the apostoles doctrine after Jesus left the scene. There is no other true doctrine besides the apostoles doctrine any other doctrine is false. These men established the doctrine for us in the book of acts to revelation. Jesus didn't write a word in the bible, but holy men of God wrote. 2 Peter 1:16-21
So, for these men that consider themselves to be apostoles,what new doctrine are they preaching.
The doctrine of Christ has already been layed down by the apostoles, they were the first ones to establish the doctrine, next are the bishops, pastors, teachers, evangelists, so forth and so on.
The bible said, James 4:6 God resist the proud and gives grace to the humble....

[Flyboy]

The doctrine of Christ has already been layed down by the apostoles, they were the first ones to establish the doctrine, next are the bishops, pastors, teachers, evangelists, so forth and so on.

So to use your line of thinking would mean that none of the 'offices' would be in existence today.


Apostle means "Sent one" and to use the original Apostles as a guide, we need to see what they did. What did they do?

They planted churches, taught them in the ways of the Lord, established church government in those churches, and moved on to start a new work.

Sounds like a missionary to me....

[gracetograce]

I would like to know, what is your question?

[gracetograce]

Romans 1: 1 Paul a bondservent of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostole, separated to the gospel of God.
1 Cor 15:8-10 Paul claimed to be an apostole born out of due time. For he was least of the Apostoles.
Apsotoles were choosen of God....
Apostoles were mentioned in the book of Acts chap 4, after the diciples were filled with the Holy Ghost on the day of penetecost. They were called apostoles befor any of them started churches.
Many other men did wonderful works in the name of the Lord, but they were not called apostoles...
Jesus appointed the twelve by the direction of God...
One was the betrayer...
God already had his replacement (Paul) THE LAST OF THE APOSTOLES

[RevDooley]

Romans 1: 1 Paul a bondservent of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostole, separated to the gospel of God.
1 Cor 15:8-10 Paul claimed to be an apostole born out of due time. For he was least of the Apostoles.
Apsotoles were choosen of God....
Apostoles were mentioned in the book of Acts chap 4, after the diciples were filled with the Holy Ghost on the day of penetecost. They were called apostoles befor any of them started churches.
Many other men did wonderful works in the name of the Lord, but they were not called apostoles...
Jesus appointed the twelve by the direction of God...
One was the betrayer...
God already had his replacement (Paul) THE LAST OF THE APOSTOLESYes, it is true that he was an apostol out of season. If that is the case, could not someone else be as well? (Please don't think that I am claiming this as an office personally. I am not.)
I see nothing in the scriptures that say that the office of establishing churches has dissappeared. I see too many being established today.
The original doctrine must still be preached as it was in that day. That is definitely a must.
Most ministers cannot tell you how they are being taught except that they are led of the Holy Ghost. Is this not the same as being taught by Jesus since He is the Holy Ghost?
But, the other qualifier laid down by man was to have been there at His death. Well, if you have not visited Calvary, then you cannot qualify for this distinction.
It would seem to me that this office is still in effect. But, am I willing to confer it upon myself and run around saying "I am an apostle" or some other nonsense like that? No, I don't want to become a lover of the praises of men.

[ShiningEpistle]

good points Bro. Ray

[Hnovilla]

His NAME is Jesus!

JCooper:
I thought you were only an apostle if you had been with Jesus or taught by Jesus himself. that is why Paul had became an apostle by the experience on the road to Damascus

Gracetograce:
Saul Who Was Later Named Paul Was The Last Of The Apostles, Because He Was Met By Jesus On The Road To Damascus...
The Other Apostles Wanted To Fill Judas Position So They Cast Lots And They Chose Another Man To Take Judas Place, But God Chose Paul.

What about Barnabas? Was he not separated by the Holy Spirit at the same time as Saul of Tarsus, and SENT with Saul of Tarsus ”…for the work for which I have called them.”?

It’s the Gospel, Church!
Brother villa

[BaldHead]

In a sense we are all apostles.(one who is sent) However the 12 were Special Apostles. so today those fakers on TV wants us to think they are better and Higher than us.

[SisEdith]

I can't help but come to the conclusion that there are but 12 apostles and there teaching is the foundation of the church. Rev. 21:14 and Eph. 2:20

AMEN. There are no more Apostles. Apostles had to see Jesus. there are apostles which I would consider missionaries but not Apostles who give the Word of god, and new revelation. That has ended. But there is the "new" quote un quote Apostolic Reformation coming on the scene complete with NEW Apostles who are going to be telling the Church world what to do. .................not me they won't!!!!

[RevDooley]

AMEN. There are no more Apostles. Apostles had to see Jesus. there are apostles which I would consider missionaries but not Apostles who give the Word of god, and new revelation. That has ended. But there is the "new" quote un quote Apostolic Reformation coming on the scene complete with NEW Apostles who are going to be telling the Church world what to do. .................not me they won't!!!!Yes, they had to see Jesus. Have you ever seen Him?
Have you seen Him when He manifested His glory in the church?
There are many who want to have a title. Well, a title does not make one a minister, apostle, or anything else. The call of God does that.
Apostle means someone who has established churches. There are many churches being established today, and not only in foreign countries. New works ae being carved out even as we sit here. To say that these souls are not apostles is to say that they are deceived to think that God has called them to start a church.
I am not willing to do that.
Beisdes, the question does not take away from the original apostles or what they taught. It builds on it.

[Apollos]

Most of this discussion can be clarified rather simply.

The Revelation tells us that there are undoubtedly 12 'foundational' apostles who were the sole representatives for what Jesus said and did. They were the only ones who could write scripture or judge others writings to be scripture (ie. Luke, Jude, Mark, the writer of Hebrews).

But that doesn't negate the fact that there is an office in the (still functioning) Five-Fold ministry that is called Apostle. It is quite evident from the Bible that there were more than 12 apostles. Barnabas is obvious. We might argue with the replacement of Acts 1 for Judas, yet the apostles (collectively) did all that they did before Paul came along- and Luke doesn't say the apostles did this or that.....except for Matthias. Furthermore, if you do a word search using the Greek word, apostolos, you will find that there were other apostles mentioned, as well- even Paul mentions them!

The problem with many that claim the office, is that they are not qualified- so it would be important to know what those are- as we need to try those that say they are apostles (Rev. 2) Furthermore, this grasping for titles is a problem beyond that of Apostle. Reverend is a title that is fraught with quite a bit of problems- yet I haven't seen anyone mention that here. What is important is that the work gets done- not the recognition. Paul labored quite a bit before many recognized him as a apostle- and even then he still had to defend himself.

Let's not try to put forth our opinions, but let's see what is actually in His Word.