ALL saints need to look at this !

[Oldpreach]

If you use the NIV at all , PLEASE take a good look at the following link , its too long to paste it all here. You need to know these facts to have them in the back of your mind if you use the NIV at all for any study.

http://www.av1611.org/niv.html

[survivor4christ]

I read another article that talked about the unreliability and the foundation of the NIV Bible.

But I had no clue that there are actual scritpures taken out of the NIV!

Revelation 22:18-19
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Amen
Sis. Wenona

[truemessianic]

To my knowledge, the NIV is not to be taken as a reliable Bible version. I trust KJV, or at the most a NKJV, nothing else.

[Sandy]

Amen Oldpreach.

It is not only the NIV these scriptures are removed from though but also most of the newer Bible versions taken from the Westcott and Hort Manuscripts, or as he puts it, perversions as well. Once you begin to look into this, it is amazing what you will find.

I have a book I bought some years ago called The New Age Bible Versions. Yes it probably was written by a Trinitarian. But none the less, this book has a wealth of information in it on this subject. Although at one time, most of the book stores had banned this because of the contents. I am talking about the Christian Bible stores too. Am not sure if you can get it today either. I bought this one in 1993 after someone told me about it, after beginning to realize verses were missing while sharing the word with others that were using the newer versions.

That ole devil is crafty. He is a master counterfieter. Able to make something look like the real thing, which is what I personally believe he has done concerning most of these newer Bible versions to be honest.

[Apostolic Kitty]

I discovered for myself the faultiness of the NIV. I used to love this version. However, one day when studying it AND the KJV together I was unable to locate Matthew 17:21. Now, why would they take prayer and fasting out of the bible? Hmmm...

[bill]

If the KJV was good enough for the apostles and Jesus, bless God it's good enough for me too. ;)

[Oldpreach]

Thanks Sandy , im very interested in trying to track down that book.

[committed]

If you look at Acts 2:38 in most other versions (I am sure I have not checked them all out) but I hate where the KJV says your sins will be remitted and they interpret it to say "forgiven"......
If someone slugged me.....I could forgive them, but I do not have the ability to "remit...or erase" what they did. It would always be in the back of my mind. Only God can give remission of sins (and thank God He can!) But that scripture alone, shows me not to take the other versions as serious as KJV......
Just mho :)

[pastorb]

Amen that Cool Totally commited

[Oldpreach]

Yes , this is one of many errors in my opinion also. Even tho the word is the same word in the Greek that is used to get both forgiveness and remission in various places , the KJV revisors felt it best because of the context to render that same word remission where it should be remission , and forgiveness where it should be forgiveness. The NIV commitees were well aware of this to be sure , but because of they're easy beliveism stance in sure , saw no contextual distinctions. This is one of many things that make reading just the NIV deadly. Again , see the above posted link in the 1st post.

[Xerf]

Also check out in the other versions: John 3:13

The KJV says:
And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

"WHICH IS IN HEAVEN" is ommitted in nearly all translations! WHY? Because the trinitarian translators could not see how Jesus could be on earth and IN heaven at the same time!

Think about it!

[Sandy]

Old Preach,

I found that book for sale on amazon.com. Here is the URL for purchasing it.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0963584502/qid%3D1048097565/sr%3D11-1/ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F1/102-8153515-7824940

If you copy and paste that in, it should take you right to where you can order it. They also seem to have it used too.

I find a lot of books for sale at Amazon. Often a lot cheaper than the book stores. And have purchased some used ones as well, that are like new. Of course, there will be a shipping charge too, which varies. Usually the used books ship at about $4.00 to $5.00 dollars. I most likely paid a lot more for the one I have than what they are offering it there, as I have had this one for several years.

It became very unpopular at one time, all of the Christian book stores refusing to carry it. But IMHO it is very enlightening regarding what someone can do by changing something around. But I have seen the meaning changed by simply moving a mere comma for that matter. Can't remember now the scripture I saw this done. But it sure was done, none the less. But then, it is my understanding that scripture was not written with all of the punctuation we have today either, as well as chapters and verses, which we also need to keep in mind too.

So the best thing to do, is listen to the Author at all times as one of His sheep I believe. But I sure don't want a distorted bible Version to start with either.

Committed made a wonderful point regarding that truth. Forgiven is not correct regarding Acts 2:38, even though in our language aphesis means forgiven as well. But in our language there is a difference in meaning between being forgiven and remitted, the dictionary proving that. And this may seem to be incidental, but it isn't, at least according to what the Lord has revealed to me anyway. Not incidental at all when it comes to witnessing to others that have repented. It becomes very important to see the difference very often. You can be forgiven yet your sins not yet be remitted or buried in the Lord, thus your still being in bondage to it, because of your not being set free or delivered from the bondage of sins yet. Simply because that bondage has not yet been remitted in Christ.

Wording becomes very important, when it comes to meanings.

My husbands favorite pet peeve is the phrase Christian itself. Yes, in the beginning, people were called Christians beginning in Antioch because they were Christ like. Well that is not true today at all. You go down the street and ask people if they are a Christian, and 9 times our of 10 they will say yes. But you go and ask them if they are a disciple of the Lord Jesus Christ's, according to the meaning and Biblical qualifications of this in the scriptures and see what happens then. They may say yes to that one too, but believe me, most of them will walk away wondering too. Because chances are they probably don't even know what those qualifications are to begin with.

Funny how most spend a life time working at attaining things in this life, yet when it comes to making sure of where they will be spending eternity, they spend very little time at that. And which one is going to be the most important? Well we know the answer to that one.

It is also funny how most will go to church too, hear the message, yet never know if that message was the truth too, by going and finding out themselves.

Sad aint it, when you get right down to thinking about it?

[Oldpreach]

Sandy : Yes...indeed. Also , another reason its just rendered forgivness all the time in other versions is because these translators and commitee revisors dont believe Baptism remits sin in the first place !!!!! So , it makes no sense to them. But , back 400 years ago , there was certainly more of a connection in their minds regarding baptism and remission. This is absolutely critical to remember !!!

Thanks for the link to the book. I found it there right after you told me about it the first time. Sorry , cant go on...pressed for time right now. Thnks again.

[bishop1]

ATTA - BOY Bro. bill;
If the KJV was good enouch for Adam, Enoch, & Elijah
then It Is Good Enough For Me 2.

[ddc101]

this is some good stuff posted.I think those who study alot could really use this link.lv sis.c

[BrotherBallard]

For those of you who watch movies and were intent on the Passion, you may want to read the article from the same web site:

http://www.av1611.org/Passion/passion.html

Yes, just like "EVERYTHING" Hollywood does, it perverted the Gospel! I won't go into that in this thread.

Thank you Sis. Cooper for resurrecting this thread.

In His Name!!!


this is some good stuff posted.I think those who study alot could really use this link.lv sis.c

[Truthseeker]

ATTA - BOY Bro. bill;
If the KJV was good enouch for Adam, Enoch, & Elijah
then It Is Good Enough For Me 2.

AHH there was no bible then,let alone KJV

[ddc101]

Lets please not revive that Passion debate.That caused Bro.Atkinson to have to lock the thread.
I honestly love to use the KJV.lv sis.c

[witness]

Sis Cooper, I remember awhile back you started a thread on this subject. Could you bring up this old thread, or post the material again?

Divorce/unfaithfulness is the same spirit whether in the earthly or spiritual sense. The same spirit that will cause one to divorce their spouse will cause them to divorce their God.

in Jesus name

Sis Pam

[witness]

Sorry, I meant that to be a new thread.

Sis Pam

[Deonna]

ATTA - BOY Bro. bill;
If the KJV was good enouch for Adam, Enoch, & Elijah
then It Is Good Enough For Me 2.

:laugh: Ummm, they didn't use the KJV. :laugh:

I prefer the KJV. I bought a NKJV because it was the cheapest wide margin I could buy without stooping to NIV or other. But even the NKJV has lots of changes that I don't like because it does literally change the meaning of some scriptures. Not major things but enough to make me not like it.
In other ways it does help with understanding some scriptures.

[Abigail4476]

For those of you who watch movies and were intent on the Passion, you may want to read the article from the same web site:

http://www.av1611.org/Passion/passion.html

Yes, just like "EVERYTHING" Hollywood does, it perverted the Gospel! I won't go into that in this thread.

Thank you Sis. Cooper for resurrecting this thread.

In His Name!!!
It really annoys me when I read something that contradicts what I think. Especially when it does so in a convincing manner. grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.:rolleyes: Not entirely convinced, but I will admit that I intend to read more.

[jhlent]

hahahahaha hehehehehe - Some people sure are Passionate over some things hahahaha:goof:

[Heather Taylor]

:laugh: Ummm, they didn't use the KJV. :laugh:


Nope, they didn't. I have it on good authority that it was the American Revised Standard version (or something like that). :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[OneGodDivine]

If you use the NIV at all , PLEASE take a good look at the following link , its too long to paste it all here. You need to know these facts to have them in the back of your mind if you use the NIV at all for any study.

http://www.av1611.org/niv.html

When I first started out in the truth I went and bought my German wife and myself two brand new leather bound NIV's about three weeks later the Pastor was reading a text for the message, (cant remember now what the text was) but it wasnt even there almost an entire chapter was completely missing. The very next payday I went and got a KJV Thompsen Chain Reference, and Anita a KJV New Open Bible. I kind of like the ESV (English Standard Version) as well though.

[Deonna]

Nope, they didn't. I have it on good authority that it was the American Revised Standard version (or something like that). :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:


Oh, no no! You must be mistaken for there was no America back then. I'm sure it was the NIV (New Israeli Version). :yeah: :laugh:

[Heather Taylor]

Oh, no no! You must be mistaken for there was no America back then. I'm sure it was the NIV (New Israeli Version). :yeah: :laugh:

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: LOL

Wait 'till I see my sources ... :goof: