The Mystery Of Godliness 1 Ti 3:16

[Sakkie]

*And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Let's start preaching and teaching on this verse - shoot away brother - your comments are welcome sister..

[tufluv]

a comment only:
Well, for me at least, its not necessarily a mystery anymore, I KNOW that GOD's plan was of such a magnitude, formulated just to save ME..YOU, anyone who should come before HIM in worship and obedience to HIM alone.

YES its almost unbelievably impossible to some people, perhaps that is why it seems mysterious to some and it is "marvelous" news, any way that one looks at it, whether in belief, or disbelief.

HOW all this could've happened doesn't concern me as much as that it DID, just in the nick of time, for me, :D
I;m sure that one day when I stand before HIM, it will all just "click" into place.

[Sakkie]

So, I understand Tufluv, that you are saying that the mystery concerns salvation. This is profound revelation! Is there anyone with more?

[tufluv]

Well partly., and largely.

It IS mysterious how a GOD that has always been could tranform HIMself into a human..with all that happened as JESUS..and still be in heaven, all at once. :eek:
That there are "angels" is also rather mysterious., who ARE these angels?
(could be another thread, never mind.. :D )

[Sakkie]

I wouldn't think that the mystery of angels is on the same level as this discussion. It does seem interesting though.

You seem convinced, that God tranformed Himself into human, how do you get to there from here?

[tufluv]

I wouldn't think that the mystery of angels is on the same level as this discussion. It does seem interesting though.

You seem convinced, that God tranformed Himself into human, how do you get to there from here?
If you will read, I did mention that perhaps that discussion should be its own thread, and so I will not mention angels again on this thread.

As far as the 2nd part of your question is concerned I am confused about it, yet... I really don't have enough time to go into this topic much more, I'd rather read whatever else that YOU may have in mind regarding this topic you started...OR, perhaps someone else can say something??

I wish someone else would.

[Banditt]

here are some more on godliness

IIPet.1:1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
1:2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
1:3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
1:5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
1:6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
1:7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
1:8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
1:9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins. 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. 2150. eusebeia yoo-seb'-i-ah from 2152; piety; specially, the gospel scheme:--godliness, holiness.

[Sakkie]

You see, the mystery is like this: The creator of heaven and earth, the one and only God Almighty, was found to be manifest in flesh. This flesh appeared and acted as if it was just another man. It most certainly was not! The mystery is also that men still think so even today.

[Banditt]

You see, the mystery is like this: The creator of heaven and earth, the one and only God Almighty, was found to be manifest in flesh. This flesh appeared and acted as if it was just another man. It most certainly was not! The mystery is also that men still think so even today.

hi Sakkie:) . this is confusing for me. maybe you are thinking of the mystery of something else instead of the mystery of godliness?

2150. eusebeia yoo-seb'-i-ah from 2152; piety; specially, the gospel scheme:--godliness, holiness.

you say the 'flesh appeared & acted' like just another man, but the flesh was not what?
i think Jesus came through the womb of Mary which was REALLY from the righteous line of Abraham, which seems like his flesh was pretty much real human flesh & not synthetic rubber.
i dont think there was any 'acting or appearance to that, other than a REAL baby, a child, REAL growing, eating, learning, REAL becoming a man, real reading scriptures, real teaching, real without sin & REAL he knew no sin, REAL shedding real blood. i dont think there was an 'acted or just an appearance' to all of that.

i am getting something totally different on godliness here.

could you explain a little more please:). thank you

[Sakkie]

Bandit

The flesh of Jesus is not human but Godly! Jesus is not from the lineage of any righteos human or any dust-created human being. He is the Word made flesh.

[Banditt]

Bandit

The flesh of Jesus is not human but Godly! Jesus is not from the lineage of any righteos human or any dust-created human being.

i will have to disagree with this part because flesh begets flesh & spirit begets spirit & we are to compare that which is spirit with spirit in return compare that which is flesh with flesh.
i believe the flesh of Jesus was as human as it gets.



He is the Word made flesh.

but we are in agreement on this part.
thank you for explaining better, Sakkie.:)

[dllong]

G_d is a Spirit. G_d is not flesh and bones. That same Spirit is the Father of Jesus correct? Jesus is the image of the Father (Spirit), and His name is Jesus. When we see Jesus we see the Father, right? Jesus' body was 100% human flesh and bones but without sin. His mother was the reason for the humanity and His Father was the reason He was without sin. The perfect sacrifice, the Lamb of G_d. He had to be human in order to die and pay for the sin of mankind. He had to be sinless to be the perfect Lamb. Anything less wouldn't do.

Dave

[Banditt]

G_d is a Spirit. G_d is not flesh and bones. That same Spirit is the Father of Jesus correct? Jesus is the image of the Father (Spirit), and His name is Jesus. When we see Jesus we see the Father, right? Jesus' body was 100% human flesh and bones but without sin. His mother was the reason for the humanity and His Father was the reason He was without sin. The perfect sacrifice, the Lamb of G_d. He had to be human in order to die and pay for the sin of mankind. He had to be sinless to be the perfect Lamb. Anything less wouldn't do.

Dave

yah, that is how i see that. it is like we can see it but when we try to explain it, it kind of gets difficult.

if we have seen the son, we have seen the father. if we have the son we have the father & so on & so forth.

one example i was thinking of goes like this...
i send my wife or mother flowers. i manifest my love & attributes in, through & by the flowers i send, (i am sending/giving myself in essence) but i am not the actual flowers, rather the flowers & the giving of them is a manifestation, though flowers are temporary but real, of who i am to her & what she means to me.

everyone explains it differently & perception even seems different at times. i call it the human condition.:)

[Banditt]

but this all tends to be leading more to the Godhead instead of Godliness, & i see them as two different & distinct topics, while intertwining at times.

[apostle]

G_d is a Spirit. G_d is not flesh and bones. That same Spirit is the Father of Jesus correct? Jesus is the image of the Father (Spirit), and His name is Jesus. When we see Jesus we see the Father, right? Jesus' body was 100% human flesh and bones but without sin. His mother was the reason for the humanity and His Father was the reason He was without sin. The perfect sacrifice, the Lamb of G_d. He had to be human in order to die and pay for the sin of mankind. He had to be sinless to be the perfect Lamb. Anything less wouldn't do.

Dave


Very good and I agree. As if My approval mean anything.

[apostle]

yah, that is how i see that. it is like we can see it but when we try to explain it, it kind of gets difficult.

if we have seen the son, we have seen the father. if we have the son we have the father & so on & so forth.

one example i was thinking of goes like this...
i send my wife or mother flowers. i manifest my love & attributes in, through & by the flowers i send, (i am sending/giving myself in essence) but i am not the actual flowers, rather the flowers & the giving of them is a manifestation, though flowers are temporary but real, of who i am to her & what she means to me.

everyone explains it differently & perception even seems different at times. i call it the human condition.:)

I also agree with your post, except, I believe the Son is for ever, never ending, he is the resurrection, and the life, And he came in his Fathers name, and is heir to all things, even the throne, with all power and authority, leaving nothing that is not under his feet.

He also has a soul that was not left in hell, his flesh never saw corruption, because he was out from the dead after only three days.

[b.rod]

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the mystery of the Godhead has been the REASON why we as apostolic believers were different from all those professing christians. we by the Mercy of God understood the Deepest Mystery of all. the Godliness of Christ. The truth that God has visited the world and even leave an unforgetable trace of His blood on the calvary must be preached to all.

come on.. lets do it!

[drummerboy_dave]

I think the mystery of godliness is that the human mind would never concieve such a notion by itself. The great God of glory steps into humanity to suffer our afflictions. He walks among His people and they don't even recognize Him. He allows Himself to be the laughingstock of the time, letting his body suffer a brutal death. He raises it back up in victory.

What an awesome, exciting message! One that still reaches. Praise God!!!