Plastic/cosmetic surgery [Archive]

committed

03-16-2003, 11:49 PM

I must admit, the idea of doing something like that has passed thru my head a time or two. I don't know of very many people that are satisfied with themselves....I guess you can call it vanity.....but you know we must be temperal in all things....even our appearance. I have seen many apostolic women in the years I have lived for God that once they came to God, they felt they need do nothing to look nice. I don't think we need to do anything to our God given looks.....but I think we should definitely do our best to show our King and the lost world that we take some pride in how we appear. Mindful Pentecostal women are the most beautiful women in the world. I taught my daughter and my daughter-in-laws that we should want our husbands, when on the other side of the church, store, or where ever, to think to themselves that is my Godly, beautiful wife. And I want my Jesus to look at me that way also. I know I am nothing. I am no beauty.....but with the spirit filled life and the outward appearance of some elegance or/and class......I know I can be beautiful in God's eyes (He shall beautify the Godly with salvation)....and with a loving compassion for this lost world! :angel:

foreverblessed

03-17-2003, 09:24 AM

I haven't ever had any cosmetic surgery. The thought has crossed my mind though. If I were rich, I would have a tummy tuck after all my weight is lost. Since I am not rich, well ... In my dreams.
My oldest sister after my five year old (at that time) asked about those spots on her skin (those brown places that just come with age and sun, she was about 45 then) had a chemical peel on her face, chest and arms. Then she turned around and paid me to take care of her for two weeks while she recovered. She looked horrible with all the puffiness and burned skin. It made me sick just trying to care for her. It was like taking care of a burn victim, which I guess techincally she was. She did have beautiful, smooth skin afterward. I would NEVER go through that pain to look beautiful. Sorry, if I cared that much, I would have been skinny a long time ago. (she is already thin) She has had her eyes lifted, face lift, and other small surgerys. More power to her if she can pay the plastic surgeon bill. I think it is pure stupidity! :confused:

There are a lot of women doing it, or the doctors wouldn't be in business. It really is sad that some need to fit the image of what this world expects us to look like.

Faithchild

03-17-2003, 02:27 PM

The last person you want to hear from about this subject is a guy, right? Struggling with a weight problem, when I look in the mirror I realize that I have distorted the looks that God gave me. To use that line of reasoning AGAINST plastic surgery would actually turn and bite ME. If your life is in balance both spiritually and naturally (including your finances), I see nothing wrong in straightening out a wrinkle or enhancing a body part. You do the same thing when you buy a new outfit to wear or change your hairstyle. Plastic surgery just lasts longer. Face it, we all want to look our best and want others to think well of us. Is it pride or a good maintenance program? Perhaps you're just being a good steward of the body God gave you? We live in the society we are to redeem. Anything that will build a bridge or remove a barrier that doesn't violate scripture should be permissible to a child of God. Please! No more new rules!

Well, my opinion and one dollar will get you a cup of coffee most places in town! (Except Starbucks!)

Sandy

03-17-2003, 02:58 PM

That is one thing I have never done. But only because I cannot afford it. :D

But then, as you know, I am not much into all these rules either. Not that I believe we should not use common sense either. Which is what I believe the scriptures are saying about this to begin with.

So I would say I agree with Faithchild and Committed on what they wrote.

Hey Third, if you are around, what do you believe? :D

ddc101

03-17-2003, 09:47 PM

So I see I am not alone!!!! Boy even Bro.Yohe...that beats all.
Better watch the nose jobs though..look at MJ.He hardly has a note left.I wonder how a surgeon can operate on someone when they know it will turn out like that.
I have assisted in surgery where women had implants removed because of leakage or infection.One surgery was someone who had the silicone stuff taken out.Boy if you all could see the size of the scars that came about from that you would run from the knife forever.It was so infected I could not believe it.
We cannot tamper with the package and come out with no side effects at all.It is just not possible.I can understand though how demeaning it would be for those who have tremendous amts of wt loss to have to tuck.It looks so grotesque after the fat is lost and all.A persons skin when it has been that stretched has lost much of its elasticity.lv sis.c

witness4jesus

03-17-2003, 10:06 PM

This tabernacle is going to dissolve no matter how much I shear it up now and then. I can keep it looking nice for sure, but one day, its going to be gone.

I just dont think it is edifying for an apostolic woman to spend money on things like that.

Besides, is not Jesus supposed to be the health of our countenance?

sis pam

ThirdGeneration

03-17-2003, 10:12 PM

Sandy- I would line up with Faithchild on this. And of course I am in complete agreement with your point about liberty (the opposite of rules).

I understand Ddc's point about vanity. But Ecclesiastes seems to suggest that just about anything we do, comes down to vanity since our lives are so soon gone anyway. (Of course, I don't think King Solomon ever met Sis. Alvear)!

Anyway, getting back to most of us.... While I don't think God's children NEED to have plastic surgery; there are certainly some occupations that pay more, the longer one remains youthful looking. And there are other occupations where it would not matter one iota.

Also, if someone is unhappy with something that can be changed and they can afford it, why not? Why would we think nothing wrong of someone having cosmetic surgery to repair a broken nose but fault someone for straightening an ugly nose? Couldn't it be argued that both surgeries were changing what God gave one or allowed?

And before a brother jumps in and argues price, I suggest he check out the cost of the luxury features of his depreciating vehicle........

Nevertheless, Committed rightly points out that it is the inside that really counts. And we all know this. But let's face it; how one looks matters more to some than others. Who am I to judge another in this regard?

God made us all different and I am truly thankful and appreciative of those who take the time and make the effort to look really nice. I am just as thankful for those that have too many other interesting things going on to care too much. I love diversity in people and I am quite certain that God does too.

But of course, Foreverblessed makes a powerful argument against it. Consider the pain! Ahhhhhh.........

tufluv

03-18-2003, 09:05 AM

Well, the really scary thing is that maybe once you get that new look, it may be worse! and then what if you regret this change? Thats always kept me where I am, although a nose job would've been okay, once many years ago, when my abusive husband broke my nose, I tried to get the surgeon to go ahead and re-do as well (while he was in there anyway) and he said he would, but lied. He said he really would've needed a picture of my former look to do it right, he was right, of course, but I right away saw that as him wanting to make more money by doing it separate, at least thats what my carnal mind thought back then anyway., and there may have been a bit of true insight there.
My sister ALWAYS worried about her nose, wrinkles, etc., but as GOD always has the last word, she died at age 34, not having to have worried about old age showing wrinkles, sad to say.
Vanity is pointless.

Sandy

03-18-2003, 09:19 PM

Ah yes, the pain. I guess I will just keep my wrinkles, continuing to grow old as gracefully as possible. Because I am not in for pain when it can be helped at least. Especially after what DDC described. I have heard some bad things about implants though, being something you don't want to have. But I have also heard some bad things about face lifts as well, when someone gets a bad surgeon to do them.

ddc101

03-19-2003, 09:41 PM

I wanted to share with you all that I did not grow up in church so coming from the worlds point of view Apostolic Women are very beautiful and ladylike.This is one of the things that drew me.I had never in my life ever seen women like this before.The look of peace on your faces is worth more than you will ever know.lv sis.c

bishop1

03-21-2003, 11:11 PM

I am reminded of the story of

" Edith & Elmer "

It seemed that Sister Edith And Brother Elmer were on a date.
They were on the way to the 'Ole Malt Shoppe' to share a soda. Sister Edith was talking, talking, talking, talking, tlking, talking, Oh yes, did I say that she was talking as usual as they walked along the railroad tracks. When she started talking Brother Elmer always turned both of his hearing aids Off and he did so today.

Along came the train and Brother Elmer could not hear the train or Sister Edith desperate yells either. Keeeerrrr - Whaaaammm-
Baaaammmmmm-Alloooouuuulllaaa. You guessed it. Brother Elmer got himself hit by a train. His artificial leg went a sailing thataway, his articificial arm went a flying over here, His glass eye bounced down the tracks, his glasses fell down between the cross ties, his hair piece soared thru the air with the greatest of ease, and his false teeth just sat there on a rail a clatteing.

Sister Edith, being of sound cajun stock, quickly looked the situation over and sized it up very carefully. She solidly placed her hands upon her ample hips, took a deep breath, cleared her throat, and soundly yelled " Brother Elmer, You've Got To Pull Yourself Together "-" Because We're A Gonna Be Late at the 'Ole Malt Shoppe' Ifn You Don't".

moral ? {I guess plastic surgery would be OK in Elmer's case}.

ThirdGeneration

03-22-2003, 11:42 PM

Bishop! ROFLOL :yeah:

Goodshepherd

03-23-2003, 05:22 PM

haha............. I sometimes marvel at how the world is so unhappy with themself that they have to turn to cosmetic or plastic surgery to get rid of their imperfection. I think that we are blessed with what the Lord has given us. I think our imperfections is what make us unique and special.

The only cosmetic surgery I need is for the Lord to get get rid of this adamic nature of mine through the Holy Spirit. I am for that anytime and anyday. WHen people see me walking down the street, I want them to see his glory shining all over my life. I want them to recognize that change and ask me how they themself can go about having that change in their life..................

searching

03-23-2003, 05:36 PM

I don't see how plastic surgery and the idea of it being vain is any different than paying for your child to have braces, or a woman who wears a wig because she has a medical condition that prevents her from growing any. We are all vain to some extent, and there is no sin in that. The sin (to me) comes when I think that I am not good enough as I am, even though there isn't really anything wrong. In other words, plastic surgery to me would only be used when it's medically necessary, or to fix a defect to my child that may have problems in life (like a huge nose).

I am checking into having some surgery done, and I will need plastic surgery after that. It will be medically necessary and I hope to look better when all is said and done.

Me...

Goodshepherd

03-24-2003, 12:31 AM

What is wrong with having a huge nose........... nothing, most black people either have a big nose or lip. I don't see us running to a plastic surgeon to get it fix. That is what make us unique, it make us who we are.

ddc101

03-24-2003, 08:00 AM

I like my huge nose!!My greatgrandmother's Indian contribution to the family.Also the enormous mane of long dark wiry hair.
I got that too.But honestly the world in all its endeavors wants to tell women one big message....YOU NEED TO FIT THE BEAUTIFUL
PEOPLE IMAGE.And then Jesus Christ if whispering softly..be conformed to my likeness.I agree pretty women are nice to look at but pretty doesn't mean perfact nor does it mean saved.Jezebel used cosmetics to try to get the mind of the prophet on her instead of his mission.So does the Spirit of Jezebel in the world try to get the church off its mission.I can sympathize with someone who feels embarrased about their looks but is it vanity or pride? And do you want the change for yourself or for your husband to have a trophy wife???humh...I wonder...I am sure this is not true in all of the cases but surely some...lv sis.c

searching

03-24-2003, 08:09 AM

Goodshepherd, if I'm not mistaken, you are a guy, and I don't expect you to understand the vanity of a young woman who has a nose so big that it's not only embarrassing, but is also causing problems in her life. I am not speaking of features one might have due to race.

Peer pressure among our teens is a problem that must be dealt with. But we aren't the ones who have to deal with it, our children are, and they aren't adult enough to handle it most of the time. This sounds like I am getting off track a little, but looks go a long way in this world, and when someone is born with something that isn't "normal", it tends to bring all the attention of others to focus their spite and contempt on.

Don't fret about not being able to understand, men generally don't. My husband says that when he gets to heaven, he's having a long talk with God about how to understand me more. Like that will help!!:goof:

Me...

Goodshepherd

03-24-2003, 10:38 AM

Actually I am a black woman

Goodshepherd

03-24-2003, 10:39 AM

I am 21 almost 22, so I do know

searching

03-24-2003, 11:21 AM

I suppose that when I read your profile and it said that you like crafts, that should have told me you were female. I have just now finished off my left foot, and do humbly apologize for believing that you were male! I have a deep voice myself, and I am called "sir" on the phone all the time. I say nothing, because it's like telling the wind not to blow! In most cases, even after the party finds out my name they continue to call me "sir". It's horrible, but something I live with.

As to the topic, I still believe what you are referring to is different than what I am talking about. This may sound candid, but I mean no disrespect whatsoever. Everyone knows what features accompany someone of black heritage, just as those who are Asian also have certain features, Hispanics also have certain features. These features are part of what a race is made of, and that's not what I am talking about. If I am still misunderstanding you, please let me know. I don't want to start eating on the right foot, it's the only one I have left now!

People who have abnormal features are stared at. Anyone that isn't "normal" is stared at by us all, even if we don't think we are. People in wheelchairs, very tall people, very short people, very thin, very fat, those with big ears, those missing a limb, women with no hair, men with pink hair (they deserve that one!). In most cases, there isn't anything a person can do, but if my teenager feels so insecure about having a nose that she can eat off of, and it keeps her from being social with others, then I will do what can be done medically so she won't go through the hardest years of her life feeling that she is ugly. Being a woman and not long ago going through your own teen years, I'm sure that you can understand how that must feel.

This is something that separates women from men. Men don't care about much, really. Those men who are vain are usually, well, I won't go into that here. My husband cannot understand why, if I can't find the right shoes, I don't feel properly dressed for church. To me, there is just something wrong if I am forced to wear tennis shoes with my black velvet skirt and silky blouse. My husband will say, "Oh, you look fine, dear", but somehow that doesn't make me feel better about how I look. Of course, this is superficial complared to someone who cannot change how they look that easily. The point here is this: women are vain to a certain extent, and there is nothing wrong with that. I don't see any difference in getting a nose job to make one feel better than putting braces on my child to make him look better.

Me...

ddc101

03-24-2003, 07:14 PM

Searching,
He may say the tennis shoes look fine but stand in them next to a woman in a nice outfit with nice shoes and see if he feels the same.lv sis.c

Goodshepherd

03-24-2003, 08:38 PM

I knew you would be shock that I was a woman searching................... Was it the name "Goodshepherd"? Don't worry, anyone can make a mistake................ no one is perfect, However, we all should be working towards being perfect.

Goodshepherd

03-24-2003, 09:28 PM

Searching states:

"In most cases, there isn't anything a person can do, but if my teenager feels so insecure about having a nose that she can eat off of, and it keeps her from being social with others, then I will do what can be done medically so she won't go through the hardest years of her life feeling that she is ugly. Being a woman and not long ago going through your own teen years, I'm sure that you can understand how that must feel."

Goodshepherd:
I do understand what you are saying. Just my humble opinion, she has to believe in heself............ learn to love herself for who she is. She is wonderful created by the Lord:) . I was never popular at school. I was very concious about me being to skinny........etc. People use to tease me and call me chicken legs etc. But thanks be to GOD for my biological and spiritual family. They made me feel good about myself.

I never had a lot of friends but I did have few quality friends. The ones that accept me for who I am, more importantly they accept me regardless of who I am.........

searching

03-24-2003, 09:39 PM

Perhaps I should have gotten more sleep last night or something. I have gotten a taste for my feet since I stick them in my mouth so often! It's not the first time that has happened to me. When I first started posting here, I thought there was a Bro. Rutledge and his wife, Ren!! It wasn't until I visited his room in PalTalk that I realised that he is one and the same. My face is always red, and for good reason.

Sis. C, you are absolutely correct! He understands more now than he did when we first got married, but most of the understanding came from hearing it from the pastor, even though I would say the same thing. For instance, when we were looking for a house, he would find the awfulest places he wanted to buy. I always resisted, and he would say, "What's wrong with buying a motel to fix up and live in?" or something like that! He told the pastor about what his plans were, and that wise man told him that men can live in a room with nothing but four walls, but women need a home. He like totally understood that coming from the pastor, but couldn't see it when I tried explaining it to him.....MEN!!!

Me...

Goodshepherd

03-24-2003, 09:50 PM

lol @ searching............. think of it this way. You can have a long peaceful sleep tonight because of your lack of sleep last night. Don't worry................

ddc101

03-24-2003, 09:59 PM

I'm looking to donate some celulite to a good cause.hehehe...sis.c

Goodshepherd

03-24-2003, 10:53 PM

haha............ SIS. Cooper

ddc101

03-25-2003, 03:46 PM

If we think we've got a problem with just four walls and stick furniture just think of some of the Human Houses that Jesus Has to live in.Wow! lv sis.c

foreverblessed

03-26-2003, 06:24 PM

I just saw an ad in the newspaper, and those before and after pictures were quite convincing. Just think, I could be forever without my problem stomach! :) I would love it! What they claim that they can do is amazing! If I had the money, I would be tempted!

searching

03-27-2003, 12:31 AM

I am considering bariatric surgery myself. I have done major research on it, and I believe it's the thing for me.

Me...

ddc101

03-27-2003, 10:40 AM

Searching explain that procedue to me.I have seen physicians listed that do this.I am not too familiar with all they do.
For me the main thing I want to do is feel good.And honestly since I have lost about 30 lbs I feel fantastic.lv sis.c

foreverblessed

03-27-2003, 01:21 PM

I have a friend who had the surgery, and an aunt.
It is not for me, they end up eating food equilalent to baby food for a year. Yuk! I could lose all the weight I needed to lose, and then some for everyone else, if I ate baby food all the time for a year.
We all just need a little will power. I pray and ask God for help. Hey, I have found that he helps, he wants us to be able to worship him without groaning in pain from dancing. He wants us to be in the best physical shape we can be. He is more than able to give the strength to lose whatever weight we need to.

Thelordisone

03-27-2003, 02:24 PM

No son of God needs any "cosmetic surgery" unless its extremely necessary ie emergency. In which case the Lord can heal us anyway.

Does not the word say it in itself, cosmetic, superficial, etc, etc...

Dont think thats what the Almighty needs us doing!!

Although, I know I can use some more discipline in my eating & exercise habits!!

In HIS Name!!

searching

03-28-2003, 01:27 AM

Sis. C,

There are a few types of the bariatric surgery. I wasn't aware of this until I started doing research. I believe the kind that Forever is talking about is where the surgeon takes about a thumb worth of your stomach and removes the rest. They also remove the duodenum and stitch the thumb-like pouch directly to your small intestine. This one is quite dangerous, and those who have it become malnourished and have a hard time keeping weight on after losing it.

There is another kind, the one I am considering. Instead of removing the stomach, they place a ring around the upper part of the stomach, so that you can't eat much, and it slowly goes through the ring into the stomach. This one is much safer, and the long term effects are muct more manageable. I have talked to several people who have had this surgery, and the biggest complaint I got was from those who didn't move right away had major gas. You also have to chew your food very well, or you could vomit, because it won't go through the ring. There goes my bloody steak! If anything goes wrong, they can remove the ring with no problems. You cannot reverse the other surgery.

Did this answer your question? Let me know...

Me...

ddc101

03-28-2003, 09:51 AM

Searching,
Have you considered what is written on the thread taking care of Gods Temple? You would be very surprised at how much weight you would lose if you ate the way the Lord intended you to.
I am doing this and it is no sacrifice.In fact my appetite is no longer in control of me.I am also feeling so much better.How about trying this instead of invasive measure.Consider that any time you are opened in any kind of surgery invasive organisms can enter.Staph being a big culprit.It cannot be healthy for this kind of surgery you are speaking of.God can help you in natural ways.In fact I will go out on a limb and say that if you will eat natural foods and cut out the artificial additives and cut out the dairy and sugar that you will gradually move to your ideal weight.
And many things you may have warred such as sinusitis and other ailiments will leave.God put within our bodies healing.Think about what happens when you cut yourself.It forms a scab yes,
but many things within your body happened to make that scab.We need to eat to increase our immune system response and to encourage optimal health.lv sis.c

searching

03-28-2003, 03:08 PM

Have you considered what is written on the thread taking care of Gods Temple? You would be very surprised at how much weight you would lose if you ate the way the Lord intended you to.

Let me say that the above statement is only accurate for those who are just a little overweight. The problem for people who are 75+ pounds overweight is that after a while, the fat pockets always remain, even after one has lost weight. This is why so many gain the weight again, and the weight usually brings friends. You never get rid of fat cells once you have them. You may be able to get rid of what is in the fat cells, but they always remain.

Another point is that most people 75+ pounds have it in their genes. You will rarely see an big person whose other family members are small. This is genetics, as I'm sure you are aware of, and just like there are those who can eat constantly and gain weight, there are those who eat very little and never lose. I am one of these people. About five years ago, I was on the Phen-fen diet. It was one of the best things that ever happened to me. The meds sped up my metabolism and controlled my appetite, and even to this day I don't eat anything after dinner, except an occasional fat free sugar free ice cream dessert. In addition to gaining back the 120 pounds I lost, it's brought 40 friends with it, so I am now worse than what I started out to be. I have changed my eating habits very little, but the weight has come back over the last four years. OH, how I wish it were as easy as you mention above, I wouldn't be having this problem if it were. One of the biggest misconceptions of overweight people is that all they do it sit around and eat. Nothing could be further from the truth.

You also state:
In fact I will go out on a limb and say that if you will eat natural foods and cut out the artificial additives and cut out the dairy and sugar that you will gradually move to your ideal weight.

For one thing, cutting out dairy altogether is cutting your own throat, as us women need that calcium. I read my labels when buying food, and tend to choose more fresh or frozen items than boxed ones. I also use sugar sparingly, as my husband is a diabetic, so we have the artificial sweeteners.

I see that you have lost 30 pounds, and I am happy for you. I know what it's like to go down a size and think "WOW, I am so thin!". In order for me or anyone else to see a difference when I lose weight, I have to lose over 50. I wasn't aware of how fat I really was five years ago until, after losing 70 pounds and HAVING to buy new clothes, everyone says to me at church, "Hey, are you losing weight?" They hadn't noticed all that time?!?!? They were astonished when I said how much I had lost, and you couldn't really tell except for my clothes, as I had worn the other ones as long as I could.

Well, gotta run to school, I'll be back in about two hours.

Me...

foreverblessed

03-28-2003, 03:33 PM

Searching,
I do agree that it has alot to do with heredity. My father was an overweight man, but not as overweight as I was. He was probably about 60-75 lbs over, he would fluctuate. His family however all battle weight problems. The most my Mother has ever weighed was 117 and that was when she was pregnant. Makes you sick to think about it. Half of us kids are thin, half are overweight.
I have found that people that are thin, usually don't care for food all that much, and just eat to provide nurishment for the body. Many overweight people, love food!
Now as for me, I just love to cook and eat. I forgot to mention one reason that I have lost weight, is I quit cooking. :) Frozen food had become the diet of my children. I recently have started cooking lean meats and vegi's though. I still don't cook every evening.

I wasn't that big of eater, I just ate many of the wrong foods, (just love mexican) and drank enough Pepsi to take stock in the Pepsi company. I hate to even think of how many calories I drank in Pepsi a day. I drank 4-32 oz fountain ones from the station, and then also drank my sweet tea at meal times. I was on a major overload of sugar.

As far as the surgery, my aunt had the ring I think, and I am not sure about the friend. I still couldn't bring myself to consider surgery.

I am however really serious about having lipo on my lower stomach. You are right about those cells always being there, that is why people should really watch their children, and not allow them to become too heavy, because then they will deal with those fat cells for life.
I was a skinny child though, wonder what happened to me? :)

foreverblessed

03-28-2003, 03:45 PM

Searching,
Some of the people that see you every day don't always notice the weight loss because it just comes off so slowly, they get used to seeing it. My church started noticing my weight loss when I had lost 25-30. Don't get discouraged by no one noticing, you will always be able to tell in your clothes, even if it is only 10 lbs. I don't know about you, but I notice it in my ability to breath better.
I have went down 5 dress sizes, but if I were to go by medical charts, I have another 100 lbs to lose and would end up around a size 4/6. That might have been fine for highschool, but I am too old for that now. I have no intentions of going that low. I am about 35-40 lbs away from when I married, and if I lost 65 more lbs, I would consider myself to be fine.

We ought to start us a diet club, and give encouragement to each other.

searching

03-28-2003, 05:19 PM

Forever and Sis. C,

I talked to my biology instructor this afternoon about what I said to you above and she said that because the adipose tissue (fat tissue) doesn't divide and reproduce after we are about a couple months old, the cells just increase in size, and that when someone who is badly overweight loses much, they can still end up with a high BMI because the body is used that fat, and some hormones will realize that something is changing, and take it that something is wrong instead. In this case, the cells will retain as much fat as they can for insulation. Also, in the comparison between thin and fat people (I HATE the term "obese"), thin people have to use more energy just to stay warm, therefore they burn more calories. When an overweight person loses weight, it's much easier to gain back, even if they slightly increase their calories because of what the body was used to for so long. Overweight people can never eat "normally" like thin people, even after losing and becoming thin themselves. Dieting isn't something that fat people can do, if they can lose weight at all, it's a change of eating lifestyle forever. This is what I did when I lost my weight, but even though I haven't changed too much, it's all come back with friends in the last four years. I am big boned, and have a large frame. If you were to see me, you would have NO idea how much I weigh, and if I were to tell you, you wouldn't believe me. My husband is convinced that I weigh at least 50 pounds less than he does when in fact I weigh 8 pounds more. I refuse to tell him otherwise!

My husband joined a health club here in town, and I am thinking of doing the same, just to get the exercise I need, and it's easier to do it with someone then walking alone, for me anyway. It may take off some weight, but it won't take it all off.

I will keep you informed if I go through this surgery. It saddens me that I feel this is my only option to be healthy in my older years. I don't want to die early if there is something I can do now to prevent it. Good thing heart problems and cancer don't run in my family, but overweight people have a good chance of just dropping dead. My mother is also severely overweight, and I expect this to happen to her at anytime. When she was my age, she was nowhere near the weight I am now, and I don't want to be like her when I am her age.

I was a skinny kid too, but when I turned 15 or 16, it all started coming on, and it came on fast. I had no idea what was happening, as I had never had to watch my weight before. My mom also failed to tell me to watch myself, and before I knew it, I was 242 pounds when I was 17, after being 150 when I was 14. This was largely due to the fact that I worked midnight shift when I was 15, and did that for a year, with nothing to eat but what came out of the vending machines. 150 pounds may sound big for a 14 yr old, but I was taller than most adults at that age, and with my large frame, I wore a size 10 at that time. Oh, how I long for those days...

After losing the weight five years ago, I was into an 18, and sometimes a 16 if it was made a certain way. According to my doctor, I was still 70 pounds overweight at that time!!! No way was I going to get much thinner, I only wanted to lose 35 more pounds, but never did make that.

I move good for my weight, I don't huff and puff, even though stairs are not a big possibility. I can walk around the college at a pretty good pace though, and not be winded, and with 30 pounds of books on my back too.

Well, I think I have said too much...

Me...

foreverblessed

03-28-2003, 05:49 PM

Searching,
I won't say how much I weigh, but I wear an 18 now. I would be comfortable in a 12 and that is my goal. I am not tall, I am only 5'3, but I am muscled and people would just die if they knew how heavy I was too. I have always weighed a lot. When I got married I weighed more than my husband, and he was 6'2.
Take care,

searching

03-28-2003, 06:22 PM

Forever, may I have your email address? I need to talk to you, but I never see you online, even though I have added you to my buddy list.

Me...

survivor4christ

03-28-2003, 07:41 PM

I have definitely thought about it.

You see, I may sound vain, but I am app. 100 pounds heavier than what I used to be. That is not only an issue of vanity, but it can become a health concern. I have had clean bills of health thus far by the grace and keeping power of God. But my quality of life is decreased.

I used to be able to run track with my kids, and keep up. Had no problem with finding things on the rack that were modest at the store. Now that I am up there, more and more plus sizes are immodest or just thrown together any old kinda way.

Plus....

When I am 70 or so, I wanna be running the aisles, which I cannot do now...that is sad...

so sad I am gonna go for now...

Love, Sis. Wenona

ddc101

03-29-2003, 09:10 AM

Hi Sisters,
I used to listen to all the metobolic this and that stuff spoken of by heath care people.In fact being a nurse I was trained to think this way.But then I started thinking that since God made my body I would really like to go on a more biblically based diet.I don't do it as a legalist but I do it for myself.In doing research on this subject I have found that certain things contain alot of toxins and certain animals digestive tracts are made in such a way that these toxins go straight into the meat and we eat it up.Honestly the highest concentrations of toxins are in the fat and skin.Did you know God forbid them to eat the fat or skin of an animal?
He wasn't just trying to prohibit them..which is something people have taken the word litterally to do to feel they are more righteous by doing so...He was trying to teach them to care for themselves since they had just come out of the fleshpots of idolatry(Egypt).
As far as fat pockets etc.You can speed up your metabolism by just walking every day or getting on a treadmill or stationary bike.
I have a bike and one of those abdominal things you do sit ups with.Aerobic exercise (low impact) is really good for you.Not Yoga itself but the stretches involved are a really good circulatory exercise for your body as it causes the muscles to contract.Muscles contain glycogen which is energy.Plus it keeps you limber.I looked at some of them yesterday and doubt I could physically do some of them at all ever..hahahaha!But I am going to try.
Have any of you read any of the literature about how certain diets promote the growth of candida which throws a womans metabolism and body into a terrible state? Alot of the things searching said above on her last post made me think of this.
I am the biggest of my immediate family..both height wise and weight wise.The way I gained weight was to move to South La and eat the diet of the locals here.White bread,white rice,white sugar is all a part of the diet here.Daily people eat large servings of white rice and high fat gravies.Gumbo is loaded with calories if you make it the traditional way.
Searching,
I get my calcium from orange juice,dark leafy green veggies and a supplement.Dairy products cause too many allergies and support the growth of yeast.I would have taken the same stance as you but since conferring with a naturopathic physician have changed my diet and honestly I am so surprised at how much better I feel.To me that is the ultimate goal...to feel good physically.Its not about your bones or your genes but about doing what you know is the best for yourself without any guilt.lv sis.c

foreverblessed

03-29-2003, 11:37 AM

Searching,

My email address is in my profile. Feel free to email. Lisa

searching

03-29-2003, 02:57 PM

Sis C, I read your post, and you have done well for yourself! While I agree that exercise does increase metabolism, mine doesn't increase enough to make a difference. All it basically does is burn up what I eat during the day. I am thinking that I would have to walk about 16 hours a day constantly in order to start making a difference. My metabolism is that slow.

A couple years and 80 pounds ago, I was working in a factory and was in charge of shipping. There were many days I would personally ship 800+ boxes and load them into the trailer every day, sometimes six days a week (this was during the summer months). I was unable to eat much because heat makes me sick, so during the day I drank water and Gatorade, and drank a Slim Fast for lunch. I had a small dinner when I got home, because of how I felt. I believed that I would lose some major weight during this time, so I didn't complain about not eating much. When it was all said and done, I was a whole eight (8) pounds thinner!! I sweat bullets and all everyday, and the exercise I was getting then would probably kill me right now, but all I lost was eight pounds in three months, which quickly came back on once I started eating normally again. I was ingesting maybe 1000 calories a day during that time, and about half gallon of water, which I don't even like, but during the summer heat my body craves it. As you can see, walking for even an hour a day would no little if anything for me.

I hope it doesn't sound like I'm making excuses, because I'm not. This is how I am, and always have been this way. The heavier a person is, the slower the metabolism. I am slowly coming to a standstill!!

Me...

ddc101

03-29-2003, 09:32 PM

Sister Searching
go to the site Nutrition 2000 and take the Candida test.You are sounding more and more to me like this is a possibility.I know it may sound silly to you but honestly.lv sis.c

searching

03-30-2003, 03:07 AM

Do you have a website for that? I did a search, and found this:

Candida is a yeast that is present in all our bodies. The repeated use of antibiotics and contraceptives or high sugar diets can cause the Candida to become overgrown. It can cause symptoms such as food cravings, especially for sugar and bread, fatigue, stomach cramps, excess gas, thrush, constipation and diarrhea. It can also cause your stomach to feel bloated with excess flatulence, a 'spaced out' feeling, and becoming tipsy on a very small amount of alcohol. Persistent vaginal thrush can also be one of the symptoms of candida.

I have not been on antibiotics or BC pills, I don't have a high sugar diet, I don't crave sugar or bread (I do crave meat in med. rare form), no fatigue, stomach cramps, excess gas, thrush, constipation or diarrhea. I don't feel bloated, but the "spaced out feeling" is questionable....LOL. I don't drink alcohol, but imagine that I would get tipsy with just a little, because I haven't drank any in a while.

After typing all that, I found this:
http://www.lifestyleforhealth.com/candida2_4.shtml

CANDIDA Symptoms: Poor digestion, fatigue, bloating, gas, poor elimination, mood swings, sugar and carbohydrate cravings, head pain, brain fog, female issues, skin rashes, lowered immunity, cold hands or feet and much more.

I don't have any of the above symptoms, however, I did take the test.

LFH Candida Test and Self Evaluation for Women

Your Total Score : 50
Probably NOT yeast connected.

How to Interpret Your Candida Test Score:
180-555 Your score suggests that your symptoms are almost CERTAINLY yeast connected.

120-179 Your score suggests that your symptoms are PROBABLY yeast connected.

60-119 Your score suggests that your symptoms are POSSIBLY yeast connected.

0-59 Probably NOT yeast connected.

I answered all questions honestly, even though some of them, like headaches and irregular menstruation, are due to another condition I have. Is there anywhere else you would like me to go?

Thanks much.

Me...

ddc101

03-30-2003, 04:52 PM

Searching,
Check out www.nutrition.com
There is alot of infor there.Consider doing a detox and giving your body the benefit it so needs first before the surgery.I am not saying not to go ahead but surgery is invasive.I would hate to see you with a messed up GI tract in the long run.
Hey I went and took that test I scored the max.I am going to look for the book at Barnes and Noble.Thanks lv sis.c

searching

03-30-2003, 09:25 PM

The problem with taking those online tests is that the questions they ask can also be associated with a myriad of other illnesses. In my case, the questions that I answered 'yes' to are caused by other problems that I suffer from. If I were to answer 'yes' to the other questions on that website, they would say that my problems are caused by candida, when in fact, they are not. Educating oneself is highly recommended for anything you need to know, but changing lifesyles that could cause additional problems without the consult of a doctor is not recommended. I often think that I am more educated than most because of my health care background, but there is a saying that can be said by all: "A lawyer representing himself is makes him his own worst client." Most doctors do not treat their own family members for other biased reasons, and I should practice what I 'preach'.

Me...

Apostolic Kitty

03-31-2003, 11:27 AM

Originally posted by searching
For one thing, cutting out dairy altogether is cutting your own throat, as us women need that calcium.

When I told my mom that hubby had us drinking 2% milk after we got married instead of the usual skim I used to buy she said basically the same thing...

searching

03-31-2003, 01:49 PM

I am not understanding your post AK. There is no difference in the amount of vitamins and minerals in milk. Fat is the only difference. Did she know that?

Me...

Apostolic Kitty

03-31-2003, 01:51 PM

searching:

She said that she had read the labels and found that skim milk had less calcium in it. I never double checked her claim. It didn't make a difference because I'm not going to buy 2 gallons worth of milk every time I go to the grocery store anyway. The only time I do that is when they are on a good sale. :)

ddc101

03-31-2003, 10:18 PM

So many things have calcium in them.People really aren't educated in that aspect.They think only dairy products contain calcium.When if you got your calcium elsewhere you would be eating more of a variety of foods.I have really begun to love dark leafy greens.I barely ate them before.Now I make a neat salad.
Sis.Searching I suppose because I am a health care worker and educated I don't worry so much about changing my diet.In fact since lately I have been fasting and praying more I also don't worry about denying my flesh more either.I really like to detox sometimes and just drink juice and water and decaf green tea with peppermint.The intestines need a rest sometimes.
The reason that some of the candida symptoms are so much like hormone or thyroid problems is because candida does alot to knock all of this out of balance.Also it reaches through the intestinal walls and is hard to kill.Anyway...I pray the best physical condition for you.lv sis.c

searching

04-01-2003, 09:02 AM

I am aware that there is calcium in other foods, but you have to ingest more of those foods to get the calcium that the dairy provides. That's what I was talking about. I also wasn't thinking of the juices that have calcium added to them, even though I buy them as well. *smacks self on forehead*
A little history about me...I have been in health care for 18 years. My mother was a nurse, and I am in my third year of school, taking prerequisities of classes for nursing. I just got my acceptance letter yesterday for nursing school. This is something I started to do 12 yrs ago, but had to stop after my second child was born. Now they are old enough to care for themselves, and I can get on with my dreams

Sis. C, do you work in a hospital or nursing home?

Me...

Apostolic Kitty

04-01-2003, 03:57 PM

Originally posted by ddc101
So many things have calcium in them.People really aren't educated in that aspect.They think only dairy products contain calcium.

Well, that is not the case for my mother or I.

ddc101

04-02-2003, 12:11 AM

Hi Searching,
I work home health.Presently I work for a company that handles neuro patients..mostly children.Bravo for you about school.
Apostolic Kitty,
Good to hear that! Honestly most people only think dairy when they think calcium.I cannot tell you how many patients I have interviewed in home health that eat such a limited diet.lv sis.c

Sandy

04-02-2003, 12:54 PM

I took that test too, on Candida, and also scored in the last group. So decided to buy the book. It could be also partly because of eating to much of the wrong kinds of foods before going on the Prism program. Which may change in time, now that I am not doing so anymore.

Searching, I recognize a lot of myself just some months ago, in what you seem to be saying in your posts anyway. Except I was not considering surgery, but had rather resigned myself to being overweight, because nothing I had tried before would work for me it seemed.

searching

04-02-2003, 01:12 PM

Thanks Sandy, there is so much more I'd like to say on this, but I cannot in an open forum. So I will just continue to read what you all have to say.

Me...

ddc101

04-10-2003, 09:28 AM

Have any of you read research on Botox injections.I cannot believe how much this is getting promoted.One of the sisters from Pensacola church works for an eyesurgeon.He also does Botox.She tells me this is the same poison that was used by pigmies in Africa in their poison darts to paralize their prey.
It seems wierd to me that people would want this injected into their facial tissue.I even read where Hillary Clinton gets this done.
lv sis.c

foreverblessed

04-10-2003, 04:14 PM

My Mom and sisters have had this done. I don't have wrinkles yet, so I really don't care. I am not really all that vain of a person though. So I say, when I am old enough to have wrinkles, I should have Grandkids, and hopefully be happily married, let the wrinkles come! :)

searching

04-11-2003, 10:37 AM

Botox is botulism toxin, actually. Botulism causes muscle relaxation. This is just a quick fix and a costly one. The Botox treatments only last for about 4-6 months, and they have recently found out that people who get these treatments usually get wrinkles elsewhere. Something to think about...

Me...

ddc101

04-12-2003, 06:25 PM

Gee I wonder where else these wrinkle show up????

ddc101

05-24-2003, 09:21 PM

I wonder what will happen to those who have used Botox when they are older.I wonder if skin cancer or some kind of neurological disorder will be the result.You can't tamper with creation issues and things not result negatively.lv sis.c

dllong

05-25-2003, 08:36 AM

Door of a plastic surgeons office: "Hello, can we help you pick your nose?"

nightwatchman

05-26-2003, 08:56 AM

I work in surgery and have seen some really damaging effects as well as successful. I believe with all my heart God can give us peace with every situation.
The skin is the body's first line of defense against serious infection and bacterial invasion and any break or tear can let in unwanted pathogens even under the most controlled situations. Also there is no surgical experience where you will not experience pain.

When you decide to have an elective surgery you also must consider the risk involved of possible blood loss and anesthesia as most procedures to alter or enhance the body's image, require a person to sleep by the endo-trach tube or spinal anesthesia.

The body may or may not reject the foreign body used such as silicone injections or implants.

Many ladies that have the large pendulous abdomen after weight loss or pregnancy often times go back into the hospital for hysterectomies or exploratory laporotomies for adhesions or maybe bladder suspensions. It is during these procedeures that they should consult with the intended surgeon to possibly do something about the tummy tucks as they are called because many surgeons will remove the apron and be covered on the insurance because they had to make an abdominal incision and it is not thus classified as a cosmetic procedure but a secondary intervention related to healing as fatty tissue does not heal as well.

This also goes for men with the same problem related to pendulous abdomens if they have to go through any abdominal surgery related to some other medical cause.

As for as weight loss there are procedures for those that have problems that are caused by gross obesity and many insurances will cover some of these if it is causing problems with mobility,heart, or blood pressure problems.

And again if a person is going to have an abdominal surgery or laporscopic exploration a surgeon may be able to band the stomach as a secondary procedure and the cost is much lower since primary problem was covered by insurance.

But...with the weight loss interventions you must remember you still have to abide by the guidelines or the banding won't work. You will still have to be on a calorie reduced, low intake diet.

We need pray for each other's needs so we can overcome our weaknesses in the areas that satan tries to defeat us in.

Exercise such as walking a mile a day will make a world of difference in the way some of us feel but it is so much easier to do anything else but walk and drink eight glasses of pure or distilled water. Washing out impurities helps. Fasting two days a week will also help. As fasting and prayer cleanses and purifies the temple.

It is a fact that many diseases that attack the body can be destroyed by a diet that avoids fats and carbohydrates and beef and pork.

Many diseases are healed by fasting and prayer.

Do I know these things and am still overweight? Yes, because I am just as human as the next one and I am Pentecostal and we always have eatings (I mean meetings).

:angel:

Just food for thought. Love Ya' in Jesus!!!! Cheerokee

ddc101

05-26-2003, 11:33 PM

Hi Cherokee,
I wonder how many have lost their bellybutton after a tummy tuck???Boy if ladies ever heard the comments made during some
of this stuff they would never have it done.lv sis.c

foreverblessed

05-27-2003, 12:44 AM

cherokee,
With my last c-section, the doctor trimmed excess skin, fat and scar tissue. My last c-sect incision burned like fire while it was healing. When I asked why this was burning so bad, I was told it was because the surgeon had done this. So I guess I got a minor tummy tuck! :)

Interesting information in your post.

Goodshepherd

05-27-2003, 10:23 AM

Bro. Dave, you are too funny.................rfol:)

Goodshepherd

05-27-2003, 10:24 AM

ooooppppsssssssss, it was sister cooper that said it. You are both too funny. haha

ddc101

05-28-2003, 11:14 PM

I have always wondered what it would be like to pick the perfact figure,face etc and have it when you wake up.But honestly I would rather have the face of Jesus.Remember what the word says:

Isa 53:2
2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
(KJV)

robingc70

05-13-2005, 12:23 PM

reformeddave

05-13-2005, 02:23 PM

For all those who are over weight and think a tummy tuck will fix the problem. Nope. If you have any kind of Plastic surgery, it is never permenant! It is a long time mantinence thing that you continually have to work on. You have to keep going back and getting more and more tucks. Diet and Excercise will do just great! (and less expensive)I know I lost 80 pounds in one year. It took a lot of hard work! but I did it. I went from a size 18 to a size 2. (I am a bit proud of myself) I have kept it off now for 3 years! I had to change my eating habits and my lifestyle to maintain. It is still work, yes, but it can be done without surgery. You can do it too!

I have lost over 200 lbs and I do need to have all the excess skin removed. At 44 years old the body doesn't not snap back the way it was. I have and will continue eating correctly and exercizing but that will not help the "skin" issue. After the removal it will take at least another 15-20 pounds off me.

ddc101

05-13-2005, 06:13 PM

Wow skin weighs that much? lv sis.c

zabach_halal

05-13-2005, 07:13 PM

My husband and I are going to do one of those "boot camp" diet & exercise routines.

He doesnt' know it yet LOL

But since I do all the grocery shopping he wont have much choice. LOL

Plus he will walk with me whenever I ask, so as long as I can get my lazy self moving, then we will both lose 40+ pounds each.

WOW! Size 18 to size 2!!

I would be happy to be back to an 8-10.

Tell us what diet/exercise you used!

The hard thing for me is going to be getting my eating under control. I heard that if you can stop eating 3 hours before you go to bed and eat first thing in the morning that will help you a lot.

dllong

05-13-2005, 08:30 PM

Wow skin weighs that much? lv sis.c

EuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuW!

ddc101

05-13-2005, 09:04 PM

Sorry but from an 18 to a 2 sounds like cancer.lv sis.c

Caya

05-13-2005, 10:50 PM

I'm 5'2" but I don't think my frame would allow me to be a size 2. When I was 18 I wasn't fat at all, I was just fine, & I was a size 8. I don't think I could ever be size 2 without being seriously seriously ill.

zabach_halal

05-13-2005, 11:41 PM

I know lots of people that are healthy at size 2.

I also know lots of people who are healthy at size 18.

Not everyone looks good at size 2 and not everyone looks good at size 18.

A healthy diet and exercise is important no matter what size you are.

Inspired-Eyes

05-14-2005, 12:35 AM

Door of a plastic surgeons office: "Hello, can we help you pick your nose?"

:icon_laug

Interesting thread..........To be honest I have told my hubby several times
that I hated my nose and sometimes wish i could fix it. But the older that
I get the more I realize just how non-important it really is..........I also used
to just hate my middle name and wouldnt want to tell anyone what it was..
then when I grew older I realized that is who I am........I am Cathy Faye
Dickson, Shelton......... I do want to stay looking young as long as possible
though........lol........ but honestly plastic surgery is just scary to me.....lol
I have seen some bad stories about them.

zabach_halal

05-14-2005, 12:48 AM

:nt:
My husband and I have the male and female of the same middle name.

Gino and Jean LOL

ddc101

05-14-2005, 08:00 PM

Unless you are four feet tall size two can not be healthy.Sorry but thats underweight.lv sis.c

Melody

05-15-2005, 07:15 PM

PRICES FOR
COSMETIC SURGERY

All prices are in US dollars and include only the surgical fee for Dr. *****. They do not include charges for operating facility, anesthesia, supplies, implants, overnight stay, etc. Additional state and local taxes may also apply. Other surgeon's fees will differ. The American Society of Plastic Surgeons (ASPS ) has a comprehensive list of national fees for the United States.

Facelift-Rhytidectomy $4750
tightens the jowls and neck, does not include forehead or eyes
Nonsurgical Threadlift™ or Contourthreads™
varies , average $400/thread
Forehead Lift $4500
tightens forehead and brow
Eyelid Tightening-Blepharoplasty $4250
tightens the eyelids
Nose Job-Rhinoplasty $4250
changes look of the nose
Otoplasty-Ear Pinback $4250
brings ears closer to head
Facial Implants-chin, cheek average $3750
increases cheek or chin
Hair Transplantation average $varies
treats male pattern baldness
Scar Revision $ varies
improves look of scars
Resurfacing-laser,peel,sanding full face $3250
smooths the skin
Breast Augmentation $4250
makes the breast larger
Breast Tightening-Mastopexy $4250
tightens the skin of the breast
Breast Tightening with implants $5500
tightens the skin of the breast and increases size
Breast Reduction $5500
reduces the size of the breast
Mini-abdominoplasty $4250
for low abdominal pouching
Tummy Tuck-Abdominoplasty $5600
tightens skin and removes fat
Arm Lift $4850
tightens skin of the upper arm
Gynecomastia-Male Breast $4750
reduces male breast size
Liposuction $2650 /area
removes excess fat
Thigh Lift $4850
tightens the buttocks/thighs
Labioplasty $3250
tightens excess tissue of the labia

I can see the judgement seat now.

Jesus, "Have you been a wise steward of the blessings I gave you, did you use them to spread my gospel, to help the helpless, to feed the hungry? Or did you use them foolishly to alter the body that I created especially for you?"

robingc70

05-16-2005, 09:55 AM

I went on a low fat, watched my bread intake, diet. I did not exclude all carbs because there are good carbs and bad ones. I think the best diet for you depends on your body. This worked well for me cause I ate fried and battered foods constantly. Bread was also a big part of my diet (piza). Did you know piza stays in your stomack for 3 days? Didnt eat after 6, which is sooooooo hard!!! and drank water only!

THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR WAS EXERCISE! I joined a ladies gym, which was owned by a christian couple. It was awesome! They had a small chain of them. All the ladies at my church practicly had a membership there. I did not do this alone. My sister and me did this together! It helps having someone with you doing it together. You can encourage each other, or stay on one another when the other messes up, as was the case with me and my sister.

robingc70

05-16-2005, 10:05 AM

reformedave,
I know what your are talking about bro. My mom lost about the same amount of weight as you about 20 years ago when she was in her late 20's, early 30's. She had the stomack bypass surgeory done. She too, has excess skin. I don't think it has anything to do with age concerning the elasticity and it "bouncing back"

robingc70

05-16-2005, 10:18 AM

lollolol! I am short but not 4 foot. When I first lost the wieght I was down to a 0. My Pastors wife began praying that I would gain weight. She began buying me ensure and everything. I did not realize how bad I looked. I have gained weight since then, thank you very much! :) My bone structure is very small :( I have what they call chicken legs. It runs in the family. When I was heavier I looked like the stick people children draw with round bodies and sticks for legs and arms. My arms are ... well they are really skinny too, Im not going into all my faults... I am healthy as a horse though!

Javon

05-16-2005, 06:54 PM

I agree that sticking to a strick diet and exercise can definitely take off the weight. The trick is "sticking to it" I weighed 140 and then got pregnant and by the time I had my baby I weighed 195.:eek: Anyways that was in January and in March I started the South Beach Diet and "stuck with it" and by June I was down to 130. I went from a size 16 going on 18 to a size 6 in 4 months. I eventually lost 5 to 10 more pounds and then kinda let my diet go, now 2 years later I am back up to 140 and I would like to loose 15 pounds but I am having a hard time sticking to a diet therefore I am not loosing any weight, but I know that if I would kick my self in the bottom and quit being lazy I could loose it in a pretty quick amount of time. I actually just started a new diet with my sister today and so far I have done pretty good lets just hope tomorrow goes good and the next and the next.....:spin: Ok, I have rambled enough.

Journey

12-31-2010, 07:01 PM

Hi everyone - just found you all today!

Very interesting thread...I don't know if this will resurrect the thread but I'll try.

I lost almost 170 lbs several years ago. I had massive skin issues which led me to reconstructive surgery. I was always getting really bad infections under my tummy & 'chest' area. No matter how much weight I lost, that was not going to change & no, exercise did not matter.

I worked in a long-term facility & I saw first hand what large skin folds can do to a person who cannot care for themselves in full capacity. Skin break downs is one of the biggest problems in elderly people & can lead to lots of trouble.

I did not want to depend on someone else to care for me like I would myself. Plus, it was unhealthy; it caused many back problems. I qualified for reconstructive surgery with my insurance company so I went for it. Needless to say, my post-op life has been such an amazing turnaround in quality of life for me.

Not all plastic surgery is 'plastic'. Reconstructive is a better term for giving back a body's original function.

God bless!

Just wondering

01-01-2011, 11:05 AM