Tithes

[vickielynn]

can anyone help me with understanding how this still applies to the New Testament church, in scripture? Thanks
S. Vickie

[drummerboy_dave]

Nope. I do it anyway.

[apostle]

Rom 13:6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
Rom 13:7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.

I'm sure this would be taken the wrong way, but I posted teh scripture anyway,

[vickielynn]

Thank you, that helps!
S. Vickie

[vickielynn]

I do also, but my husband does not believe its for the New Testament church, and of course I want to give scripture.

[drummerboy_dave]

I didn't mean to sound abrupt. I have found, for those who wish not to tithe, scripture does little to convince them otherwise. There are many threads here devoted to this topic. Hope you can find help in them.

[Banditt]

check out
Acts 4:32-37
Matt23:23
HEBREWS 7:5-9

i dont see where Jesus or the Apostles taught about stopping tithing or where it is not for us today. maybe someone can show where tithing is not for the Church from the NT before they suggest that.
you also have the storehouse teaching & robbing God from Malachi 3 but that is OT too.

[ddc101]

The nation of Isreal tithed.Jesus was an Isrealite and therefore he tithed.lv sis.c

[Melody]

The nation of Isreal tithed.Jesus was an Isrealite and therefore he tithed.lv sis.c

And where is your scripture for this? And what did he tithe on? He was not a farmer or a shepherd.

[Melody]

check out
Acts 4:32-37
Matt23:23
HEBREWS 7:5-9

i dont see where Jesus or the Apostles taught about stopping tithing or where it is not for us today. maybe someone can show where tithing is not for the Church from the NT before they suggest that.
you also have the storehouse teaching & robbing God from Malachi 3 but that is OT too.

And I would like to find one scripture where the apostles taught that tithing was FOR the NT church. Surely, Paul would have instructed this doctrine to the gentile believers if it was intended to be such a vital part of the church.

[Banditt]

And I would like to find one scripture where the apostles taught that tithing was FOR the NT church. Surely, Paul would have instructed this doctrine to the gentile believers if it was intended to be such a vital part of the church.

and i for one would like to know, find one scripture, where Paul or anyone taught on an absolute NO on reincarnation. you would think he or SOMEONE would have said something directly about it.

maybe there was an understanding in the churches & paul did not have to write anything (much).

Melody, if you dont want to tithe, then dont tithe.

[Melody]

and i for one would like to know, find one scripture, where Paul or anyone taught on an absolute NO on reincarnation. you would think he or SOMEONE would have said something directly about it.

maybe there was an understanding in the churches & paul did not have to write anything (much).

Melody, if you dont want to tithe, then dont tithe.

And that is a straw man arguement. You claim that tithing was for the NT church but can provide no scriptures backing that claim. Why would tithing be automatically understood in the gentile church? It would not be part of their background. Especially, since none of the Apostles or even Jesus would have LAWFULLY been able to accept tithes.

[Banditt]

And that is a straw man arguement. You claim that tithing was for the NT church but can provide no scriptures backing that claim. Why would tithing be automatically understood in the gentile church? It would not be part of their background. Especially, since none of the Apostles or even Jesus would have LAWFULLY been able to accept tithes.

it is very simple Melody, instead of arguing with people who DO want to give all that they can give, simply do not give & dont try to make people feel bad for giving.

the apostles were JEWS not gentiles. no?

actually it looks to me like the Apostles recieved any & all that people would give...obviously more than 10%.

& by the way, who does your money belong to? is it yours or does it belong to God?

32 6 (http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/acts/acts4.htm#foot6) The community of believers was of one heart and mind, and no one claimed that any of his possessions was his own, but they had everything in common. 33 With great power the apostles bore witness to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and great favor was accorded them all.

34 There was no needy person among them, for those who owned property or houses would sell them, bring the proceeds of the sale, 35 and put them at the feet of the apostles, and they were distributed to each according to need. 36 Thus Joseph, also named by the apostles Barnabas (which is translated "son of encouragement"), a Levite, a Cypriot by birth,

37 sold a piece of property that he owned, then brought the money and put it at the feet of the apostles.

[ddc101]

And where is your scripture for this? And what did he tithe on? He was not a farmer or a shepherd.
Jesus was a carpenter.

[Melody]

it is very simple Melody, instead of arguing with people who DO want to give all that they can give, simply do not give & dont try to make people feel bad for giving.

the apostles were JEWS not gentiles. no?

actually it looks to me like the Apostles recieved any & all that people would give...obviously more than 10%.

& by the way, who does your money belong to? is it yours or does it belong to God?

32 6 (http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/acts/acts4.htm#foot6) The community of believers was of one heart and mind, and no one claimed that any of his possessions was his own, but they had everything in common. 33 With great power the apostles bore witness to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and great favor was accorded them all.

34 There was no needy person among them, for those who owned property or houses would sell them, bring the proceeds of the sale, 35 and put them at the feet of the apostles, and they were distributed to each according to need. 36 Thus Joseph, also named by the apostles Barnabas (which is translated "son of encouragement"), a Levite, a Cypriot by birth,

37 sold a piece of property that he owned, then brought the money and put it at the feet of the apostles.


And you have just proved my point, the money GIVEN was for the needy, not to line Apostle's pockets.

And I have no problem with GIVING to the church but to claim that the LAW of tithing was extended to the Church is without basis in scripture, but rather each man is to determine in HIS OWN HEART what he should GIVE!!

Even those that gave in the early church were not commanded to do so but did so out of a heart of love and thanksgiving. Did Peter not tell Annanias and Saphirra that they were not required to give any of the money they had received but were condemned for lying about it.

[Banditt]

And you have just proved my point, the money GIVEN was for the needy, not to line Apostle's pockets.

And I have no problem with GIVING to the church but to claim that the LAW of tithing was extended to the Church is without basis in scripture, but rather each man is to determine in HIS OWN HEART what he should GIVE!!

Even those that gave in the early church were not commanded to do so but did so out of a heart of love and thanksgiving. Did Peter not tell Annanias and Saphirra that they were not required to give any of the money they had received but were condemned for lying about it.

i did not say it lined the apostles pockets. IT SAYS THEY LAID IT AT THEIR FEET

that does not prove tithing stopped.
1)where are your scriptures that say they stopped tithing & that it was stopped in the NT?

you also did not answer my other question.
2)is it your money or does it belong to God?

there is tithing, many types of offerings & gifts.

[Melody]

Jesus was a carpenter.

And tithes were either the fruit of the field or fruit of the flock.

Lev 27:30 And all the tithe of the land, [whether] of the seed of the land, [or] of the fruit of the tree, [is] the LORD'S: [it is] holy unto the LORD.
Lev 27:31 And if a man will at all redeem [ought] of his tithes, he shall add thereto the fifth [part] thereof.
Lev 27:32 And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, [even] of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the LORD.
Lev 27:33 He shall not search whether it be good or bad, neither shall he change it: and if he change it at all, then both it and the change thereof shall be holy; it shall not be redeemed.
Lev 27:34 These [are] the commandments, which the LORD commanded Moses for the children of Israel in mount Sinai.

And they were to be used to feast and thank the Lord.

Deu 14:22 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.
Deu 14:23 And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always.
Deu 14:24 And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; [or] if the place be too far from thee, which the LORD thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the LORD thy God hath blessed thee:
Deu 14:25 Then shalt thou turn [it] into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose:
Deu 14:26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,
Deu 14:27 And the Levite that [is] within thy gates; thou shalt not forsake him; for he hath no part nor inheritance with thee.

And every 3rd year the tithe was to go to the Levite, and the poor and the stranger.

Deu 14:28 At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay [it] up within thy gates:
Deu 14:29 And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which [are] within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest.

So how could Jesus tithe if he had no field and no flocks?

[Banditt]

So how could Jesus tithe if he had no field and no flocks?

what is the difference if you have field or flocks or if you sell real estate or cars & trucks & appliances or if you are a Rabbi?

[Melody]

what is the difference if you have field or flocks or if you sell real estate or cars & trucks & appliances or if you are a Rabbi?

The difference is that God set the rules for tithing of the flocks and of the fields.

Even in the NT Jesus speaks of the Pharisees tithing on the fruit of the fields.

Why was Cain condemned for offering the wrong sacrifice? A sacrifice is a sacrifice in your view but God condemned Cain's because it did not meet His criteria.

God set the rules for tithing and it did not include real estate or cars.

[Banditt]

The difference is that God set the rules for tithing of the flocks and of the fields.

Even in the NT Jesus speaks of the Pharisees tithing on the fruit of the fields.

Why was Cain condemned for offering the wrong sacrifice? A sacrifice is a sacrifice in your view but God condemned Cain's because it did not meet His criteria.

God set the rules for tithing and it did not include real estate or cars.



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