Guarding Against a Masculine Spirit

[ddc101]

I purposely do not do all the things I know I am able to do because of the fact that I was raised closer to my father than my mother.I am not masculine nor have I ever been gay.I just feel that biblically we have to be on guard because this world is tending tword an era of non gender specific relationships.
I feel that when God took Eve out of Adam that he reached in and pulled out complementary attributes.He made Eve feminine in every way.In fact the word says that effeminancy for men is going to keep someout of heaven.I also feel that masculinity on women is going to keep some out of heaven.
If you were closer to your father than your mother you may have a hard time defining your God given role.Also you may think like a man after having been trained to think more logically from so much time spent with Dad.This can spill over into your relationships with others.Especially into marital relationships.
I know I am conscious of this alot because I am in the ministry and I do not want to come off as being a woman trying to be a man or take on a mans role.Thats not what its about at all with me.But I never the less guard against this spirit.I do so want to please the Lord.lv sis.c

[foreverblessed]

In a marriage there are God given roles of leading or being submitted. I don't believe this should effect careers, or lifestyle, or physical activities. A women can be anything she is capable of being as long as it is what she desires to do, she is physically able, and it isn't against the Word of God.

I was raised close to my father, but I consider everything I learned from him a blessing. Especially the fact that he taught me to pray.
I learned a lot from my Dad, he taught me a few things under the hood of a car, taught me how to buy a car, and what to look for when I did. I am one women that isn't going to be taken advantage of at the car lot or the mechanics shop. I don't see anything wrong with that. He also on the other hand was very maternal, and taught me how to love and be compassionate toward people and souls. Dad also was a wonderful cook, did most of our cooking at home, and taught me to cook. I am one mean cook! I go to cooking, and my family comes out of the woodwork from all over to eat. Still can't make biscuits like he did though.

God made me physically strong with a lot of muscle mass. (sad to say I am built like Dad too) In my marriage, my physical strength was something that my husband admired, he told me that often. He like the fact that I was physically able to pick up and move furniture or appliances. It made moving go a lot quicker! :cool: We moved alot in our time. He liked that fact that I wasn't a pansy that was going to fall apart over the smallest things. I have worked with him in drywall, holding 5/8's over my head, while he screwed them into the ceilings. (all in a skirt too!) I used to finish drywall when he was in a crunch or hitting a deadline and needed extra help. I was finishing drywall the day before our oldest daughter was born. I wasn't expected to do this, I did to help out when I was needed.
I don't see anything wrong with a women being able to be self reliant, independant, or capable of handling things without the aid of a man. To parrot a friend of mine "Why is that so wrong??"

When things come your way as they have mine, or your husband dies, you don't fall apart, you continue on with the God given abilities that was given to you. I know women that have no clue what financial shape their family is in. No clue as to what they own, or owe. To me that is just being ignorant, I don't believe that is wise.
I talked to my ex for the first time in six months last night. He asked me to give him a chance and be patient while he worked out child support and made things right to his children. It is was still very evident that he still admires my strength as a women/Mother who is able to stay strong and take care of myself and children.

Why should this mean that your fighting a spirit of masulinity, if your a women that is capable of being strong and independant?

I personally admire a man who is just at home in a kitchen cooking if he wants to, passionate about raising children, not afraid to help keep a house clean if needed, secure enough in his masulinity that he is in touch with his feminine side! To me that is a well rounded man. My Dad was like this, my brother is like this, and I know of several other guys that are this way. I admire this, and I don't consider this having gender roles mixed up. :bow:

Train up a child in the way that they should go.. means to train them up in the way that they are meant be, allowing for their individuality to show through and build up and strengthen those areas of their lives.
I don't believe this means telling a girl "ok, this is what you can be, this is what is expected of you, and then trying to fit them into the mold you feel is what a "women" should be. Or if you have a boy, making them fit the mold of traditional jobs or careers and what you feel is the only role for a man. Follow the Word of God, but allow them to be the individual that God made them to be with the talents he gave them.

I have a daughter that wants to be an FBI agent. I hope she achieves that dream, and is one. She has a wonderful inquistive mind, exceptional memory with a remarkable eye for detail. She will make a wonderful detective. May she win the whole force to the truth, while she is at it too!

If a women is so independant that she is unable to be under the submission of a man as her husband, then she has a spiritual problem that she needs to submit to God.

I am personally a very feminine women, and have plenty of people that can vouch for that. I am a women capable of doing a lot of things, but I don't feel it is fighting a spirit of masulinity. I actually have a persona that alludes that I am soft, sweet, and that needs someone to take care of me. Why, I am not sure, but have had many people tell me that.

I am also a women that would be considered a male chauvinist, I believe that the man was created stronger and don't have a problem falling under rank.

[ddc101]

Something you said Sister struck a chord in me.
There are some women in church who had better remain single because they could never submit to a husband.
We are the ones that have to biblically submit.And then each have to submit to other and all submit to Christ.
I am not speaking of you personally sister but I know a few ladies that would go to hell if they married.
Just a few thoughts.God bless you.sis.c

[tufluv]

AMEN! This is true, some women cannot submit to a man to save their life (or soul, in this case), and like FOREVERBLESSED, I have in former posts alluded to the fact that I might have been considered a "tomboy" a bit, because I loved helping my dad do projects, and now my husband.
I thinks it makes us more rounded persons to be able and willing to be a REAL "helpmeet" to our husbands in more ways than one! Some women (like my mom) would consider that "spoiling" a man too much, that they should maybe treat us as fragile vessels!
Yeah, right, that'll be the day!!!I will accept help in lifting heavy objects though, I'm not gonna break my back, and then be an invalid, or cripple, needing help-that would be worse! I'm not really able to be that strong physically.
No man has EVER treated me like that, I'm just a "self-starter, go-getter" person that does not shy away from not getting things done, just because there's not a man around! I do have sons that can help out, if needed, and they do help me around the house as well! One of them loves to bake, they don't mind cleaning up, doing laundry, etc. I was not blessed to have a daughter, but thats okay, my boys arent' too good to do their own part, its necessary stuff.
Most young girls I know of in today's time, won't lift a finger around the house, so I feel sorry for my boys, and other future generations of men needing wives. Sure its even better if both parts of a whole (marriage) help each other out, but its rare to find that.
I took as many years of HOME ECONOMICS in high school that they would let me, I love cooking, sewing, even can knit a bit! But my hands are messed up due to carpal tunnel syndrome, so I'm a bit ltd., now in the use of my hands.
I do love being a woman, mother, wife, but I can DRYWALL with the best of them! and lay ceramic tile, both floors and walls, lay carpet (if it wasn't so heavy!!) and especially love woodworking., always have.
NOW, I really don't think this is harboring a masculine spirit, I do all these things in skirts at least (shorts under for climbing) but if you have ever taken a look a the current home repair shows (my favorite along with crafts!) many are now hosted by : WOMEN!
Only in those, those women look/dress masculine-y, know what I mean.
Well, I've yacked too much already. LOVE to all my equally gifted sisters!

[foreverblessed]

Tufluv,

I bet we both have beautiful walls in our home!! Don't you just hate it when you walk into a house or building, and you see the flats shining, and see the butt joints, and wonder who it the world was their drywall crew?? Hey if we lived closer together, we could form an all woman Pentecostal drywall crew!! :) LOL

I am a little rusty, I haven't done anything since the fire in my home. I got the peon job of spotting screws, cleaning the tools, keeping the water supplied, mixing mud and of course the all time favorite of sanding! :grumble: I hate to sand!!

We could rake in the money though!! :)

[tufluv]

FOREVERBLESSED:

YOU must have read my mind! I was thinking the same thing, about teaming up! As a matter of fact, I do sorta have a business like that, we do everything! Just finished some roofing, the business is in my name, but my husband is the brawny brains behind it, me the office assistant brains, I do help out in a pinch, I love being outdoors doing home repairs, like right now, we're got tons of siding to do.

Yeah, everywhere I go, I see repairs needed! I like the mudding, and my husand taught me a trick or too, necessity is the mother of invention!

I'm one of those picky people, who can't even stand to see a picture not hanging level..? There are people who don't do quality work and it shows. Well, enough talk, I'm ready to go work! Thats why I only do parttime indoors office work, I'd rather be in the middle of things REPAIR. I love painting as well. I love my power roller! We've got so-o many neat tools, too!
Well, better go now,

Love ya, sis

[foreverblessed]

Tufluv,
We would probably really get along. In the summer I like to work outside. I really like yard work, I always touch up any paint that is needed on the house in the spring. I pay close attention to detail, and even the smallest things bug me.

It can really be pain to see those imperfections in the walls. I used to gripe about them, and one day I had a pan with mud and a knife put in my hands and told to fix them, or quit complaining! :)
I guess he told me! :)
So now, along with seasonal deep cleaning, I just mix up some mud, and go around touching up imperfections. My kids are the worse at damaging the walls!!!
I have a big old house, that is constantly being worked on. I found of all the jobs I hated, I don't like to strip wood. That was just too much work! I like tools and gagets too, my ex got most of the tools when he left, but I still have a lot.

Have a good one! :)

[ddc101]

I have to say that you two ladies are awesome! I like to work outside as well Forever.When we lived in Pensacola I would go outside with a hand held rototiller and plant grass seed.It took alot of sprinklers and miricle grow and praying over it but I had the nicest yard on the block.I also enjoy landscaping.
Bro.Cooper and I are praying for a piece of land to put our mobile home on.The one we are parked on now is too low and stays wet when it rains.But honestly there is a nice Spainish style hycianda
that I have been praying about.I love Santa Fe style housing and decor.Lv sis.c

[ddc101]

Heres the scenario:
Theres two rooms of conversation going on...One room is a room filled with ladies and another is filled with men.Both are in deep conversations.Now this is for ladies only...Would you go into the mens room or the womens room.
When I first got saved and lived with my parents I would have chosen the mens room simply because I was used to my dad teaching me so much.But in reality my mother needed to be the one teaching me.In my girls it is totally the opposite.I am the one who is their primary teacher.This is how it should be.God gave mothers a certain place and when they do not fulfill this place a girl has something missing deep inside.We need mothers to be mothers and fathers to be fathers.When we have to do both jobs is confuses the child about their god-given roles.That is why satan attacks the family unit so much.He know if he can scramble our minds about what is masculine and feminine that it will affect how we view everything.I love what you said sis.Forever but you were missing the mothering element that you so badly were starving for.I too went through this.This is one of the issues I broght before God.I was so starving for the attention of a mother that I gravitated tword the older ladies in church more than the younger which was all Gods doing because I learned from them how to be a wife and mother.That is why it is so scriptural for the older women to teach the younger.It is gospel.lv sis.c

[Apostolic Kitty]

Sis. ddc, it really depends on who the men and women are and what they are talking about.

Assuming they are all brothers/sister I feel comfortable with, I'd probably go back and forth. Some women's conversations bore me just as well as some men's conversations do.

[foreverblessed]

I would be more apt to go into the men's room with conversation. I relate to men much better than I do women. I respect what they have to say, and trust them. I can't say the same for women. I have been very hurt by the main "woman" in my life. I have difficulty taking ANYTHING from a women. I have turned down jobs because the boss was a women. I knew that I would have trouble submitting to their authority. I could never set under a women Pastor.
I perform a job much better if I get my orders from a man. I realize that it stems from a poor relationship with my Mom, but I have to be honest, there are very few women in this life that I truly admire and look up to. I fail to see where any of them are any better than I am. Probably not the best attitude, but still the way I feel.
I admire you DDC, especially what you are doing in your city and your walk with God. Even with learning to trust you, I still find myself very guarded toward women in general. I have found that they hurt too much to deal with. Main problem, they are usually inconsistant, unstable emotionally, and/or domineering. I hate/despise the very same personality traits in my own life.

I have found very few women in my life that were not this way. The finest example of what a true women as should be, according to the Word of God was my old Pastor's wife in Swartz Creek Michigan. She was the most kind and gentle women I have ever met. God used her to heal a very deep wound in my life. I regret ever moving from Michigan back home. I should have stayed there, I believe the healing would have continued, and I am sure that my home and marriage would still be together.

As far as topic of converstation, I enjoy a broad range of topics, and could be comfortable on both sides either with women or men. When they (men) start talking about the Word of God, I like to listen. I may not be as knowledgable, but I like to understand details of the Bible, that is why I enjoy reading on the Cafe.

I also like apostolic kitty, would find topics on both sides boring at times. I am not one that likes a lot of mushy women topics, although I do consider myself sentimental over certain things.

On the other hand, I like big 4x4 trucks, anything with wheels, going to junk yards, and fishing. I am not afraid to get dirty and don't have to be pressed and clean all the time. I like my life simple.

As far as being a mother, I usually don't hide anything from my girls, and I am very open with them about my feelings and what is expected of them. I share with them, I hope that they have a better understanding growing up than I did.
I do have to admit, I get told quite frequently that I am raising a bunch of boys. They're rowdy, and would rather be outside in the creek fishing, swinging from trees, skateboarding anything physical than inside the house. They track in enough mud and dirt to prove it. I have to chase them off the roof of the house at least once a week. They love to climb for some reason. They are 100% female though, and I consider them to be well rounded kids.
I know that there are things that I am supposed to teach them, but I also know that my actions speak louder than words ever will. I realize that I haven't always been the best example in life, but I am also quick to let them know I am human, and ask forgiveness from them and from God. They pray with me, and are very comfortable asking for prayer. I don't claim to have all the answers, and I hope that I keep growing so that they might be able to be better as we grow together.

[ddc101]

Sister Forever,
You are in a difficult situation where you have to be both mom and dad.I admire you for hanging in there.I too did not trust women due to my mom and I's relationship.I also find that women carry the spirit of manipulation which is witchcraft and is of the flesh more often then men.But I now teach and pastor women.It is a really neat thing in my life that God would trust me of all people to do this.I have helped more than one woman through menopause.I pray that the good will be returned to me like the word says it will.I want someone to be understanding with me when my trial with this comes about.I just totally want to walk in the feminine role that God chose for me.When I look in the mirror I finally like who I see.I don't regret who or what I am but I know I am called for a reason.God did not just choose me for the role I am set in the kingdom for just because men did not answer the call.I am in the place that I am so that I can help others who are hurting or crippled to move on in God and be of use in the kingdom of God.A beaten dog does not trust but usually bites...so it is the same with those who have been abused and neglected.I am not saying I don't get bit alot but it is
very rewarding to me to watch a saint who was formerly to crippled to walk upright find balance in Jesus Christ.You do need more healing sister.There is nothing wrong with being a country girl and loving playing outside no matter what you're age.I can get out there and work on my car as well as anyone but I don't because Bro.Cooper feels elated when I say,"Honey, I need you to do this for me." That is his place in God in our marriage.The place of provision and the place of protection.I am thankful for that place and I would never overstep it.
I know men like to say they love a do it all girl who is very independant but I also know they love being the man of the house.lv sis.c

[ddc101]

5 entries found for masculine.
mas·cu·line ( P ) Pronunciation Key (msky-ln)
adj.
Of or relating to men or boys; male.
Suggestive or characteristic of a man; mannish. See Synonyms at male.
Grammar. Relating or belonging to the gender of words or forms that refer chiefly to males or to things grammatically classified as male.
Music. Ending on an accented beat: a masculine cadence.

n.
Grammar.
The masculine gender.
A word or word form of the masculine gender.
A male person.


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[Middle English masculin, from Old French, from Latin masculnus, from masculus, male, diminutive of ms.]
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mascu·line·ly adv.
mascu·line·ness n.

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masculine

\Mas"cu*line\, a. [L. masculinus, fr. masculus male, manly, dim. of mas a male: cf. F. masculin. See Male masculine.] 1. Of the male sex; not female.

Thy masculine children, that is to say, thy sons. --Chaucer.

2. Having the qualities of a man; suitable to, or characteristic of, a man; virile; not feminine or effeminate; strong; robust.

That lady, after her husband's death, held the reins with a masculine energy. --Hallam.

I had to include this so we did not get too off thread.
I think so much about the scriptures in Corinthians where among the gentiles whom Paul was instructing there was a cult where the women dressed in mens attire and shaved their heads and did the primal yell thing and were known as SHE PRIESTS.And the men wore womens robes etc and grew long hair and wore head dresses and called themselves Priestesses.Totally out of order and out of Gods will.It is this association with idolatry that God called an abomination and caused the Apostle Paul to teach men and womens proper roles.He had some real interesting things to deal with within that particular gentile society.But really things haven't changed except nowadays people want to take you to court in these United States and sue you for telling them the truth concerning these things.But it was common transvestitism and role reversal.That is why we need to remain seperate or called out lest we slip into a role that God deems abominable.
In the Old Testament he said A woman shall not wear that which pertainith to a man.Many like to say this was speaking of women donning armor and going to war.I agree.Women were taking a place God gave to men.He made them the protectors and providers for their families.The curse to work was not given to Eve but to Adam.For Eve it was childbearing...pointing as we know to the birth of Messiah.Sadly to say in our nation so many ladies are going to war and apostolics will war you with their tongues about how there is nothing wrong with this.But clearly for a woman to take on a masculine role or trait is not pleasing to God.That is why we need to not tread anywhere near anything that might be even close to this issue.JMHO.lv sis.c

[foreverblessed]

DDC,

While I do agree that I am a redneck country hick, there are people here in this little beantown, that would split their gut if they knew that someone was trying to imply that I was fighting a spirit of masculinity, or trying to be masculine. :laugh: I think you would be surprised if you knew me in person.

[ddc101]

Sister Lisa, I did not imply anything.In fact I posted this thread to discuss the topic.Simply the topic.If we get pricked along the way lets all pray to God that we get delivered and right before its all over.lv sis.c

[ddc101]

To all I posted the above thread because I feel it is important for us to be all that God expects us to be.Society says that we are free to be anything we want and able to do anything we want but we need to guard our hearts and guard our minds that we do not displease the Lord.I am sure we all have a long way to go..myself included but let us march on tword our reward patiently emptying out baggage and things that weigh us down.
I never meant to start this thread to argue or criticize other ladies just to make them think about some things.lv sis.c

[foreverblessed]

DDC,

In the very first post of about this subject, this was your comment,

If you were closer to your father than your mother you may have a hard time defining your God given role.Also you may think like a man after having been trained to think more logically from so much time spent with Dad.

I had just posted the previous day a couple of post concerning the closeness with my father, and his influence in shaping my life and who I am today. I am sorry that you have felt that I was arguing with you. I have just stated what I believe on this subject.

I don't always agree with your thoughts and beliefs on things, that doesn't mean that I don't respect you for who you are.

No one on this forum will ever agree with each other all of the time. I am not sure I understand why you feel that I or anyone else should believe the same as you on this subject.

Again, I am sorry if you feel I was being argumentative.

[ddc101]

No Sister Forever that was not my thoughts at all.I just did not want any of you to feel I was being overly critical of your particular situations.Thank you though for the honesty of your reply.The only way we would ever think just alike would be to be the same person and that is not possible.I do apprieciate your imput tremendously.lv sis.c

[Apostolic Kitty]

I personally don't find anything wrong with being a logical woman. Sometimes it's better to think with your head instead of your heart. Nor do I find anything wrong with a man being sensitive -- everyone needs a heart.

[foreverblessed]

Apostolic Kitty,

I think I have learned to think logically to avoid getting hurt. It really takes me a long time before I am willing to involve my heart in some issues or friendships.

I don't see anything wrong with it, but possible I was just conditioned this way.

[ddc101]

Sister Forever,
I believe a balance is what we need to shot for.I am ever checking out my intentions.As my dad taught me that I could be or do whatever I set my mind to.He did not however take into account Gods plan for women to be the feminine partner.In fact He had me out working on horse trailors with him and doing lots of farm work.Both of my brothers are deceased and dad needed someone to pal with.However I since the age of 12 I have loved gourmet cooking,needlepoint and sewing.Thankfully I have two older sisters who were able to share that with me.I am no nor have ever been masculine.But because I work in the kingdom of God where ever Jesus places me many times I have been accused of trying to take on a mans role in the kingdom.But believe me it was only the voice of jealousy and envy attacking because I even as a young minister asked my pastor how high to jump and obeyed.lv sis.c

[Apostolic Kitty]

Foreverblessed:

I tend to be kinda inbetween. I try to keep a balance and have been told I do so successfully. I don't always think so, though.

I suppose being brought up as an only child from a first marriage had a lot to do with it. My dad was emotionally absent and tough on me so I could defend myself. While I am grateful he taught me to defend myself, him doing so with no emotional support messed me up. My dad left when I was 11. Mom was no longer able to be a stay at home mom. Between the two, I felt abandoned. I learned to passionately hate my dad and not really like my mom too much even though it was not her fault. I had to learn to fend for myself.

I was pretty rebellious after that...and not very good at choosing boyfriends at all. For a long time I didn't cry at all. But when I wound up pregnant at 19 I cried almost the whole pregnancy.

Got the Holy Ghost at 20 and, well, that sure changed me :). The Lord did heart surgery on me that night -- took all the hate I had for my dad right out. Yep, took a stony heart and gave me a heart of flesh....and, my, how that new, soft, heart did hurt when it felt stepped on. It can sure be a struggle sometimes in this world to guard against getting a hard heart. There are times I've almost given in.

I sometimes choose to allow my heart to be open to people and find myself hurt. Then I may give them a second chance, but I am very cautious about it. If I get stomped again I don't subject myself to that person/those people again, but I don't hold a grudge against them or put up a wall with new people because of it unless I get the notion that they are the same way.

[ddc101]

Sister Mireland I can see why you would be GUN SHY.It hurts to trust and be disapointed.That is why we need to put our trust into God and not man and realize that humans are but dust and are weak and fail from time to time.I pray that the Lord would heal your heart and bless you today.lv sis.c

[Apostolic Kitty]

Originally posted by ddc101
Sister Mireland I can see why you would be GUN SHY.It hurts to trust and be disapointed.That is why we need to put our trust into God and not man and realize that humans are but dust and are weak and fail from time to time.I pray that the Lord would heal your heart and bless you today.

Sister Dana: I am not gun shy. I'm not sure where you get that idea from. I simply don't think it's wise to allow the same person/people to keep steamrolling you continually.

Besides, I like guns.


...and, Sis DDC, not trying to be picky, but my name is T. M. Ireland...I don't go by my middle name.. ;)

[ddc101]

I certainly did not mean to offend you in any way.lv sis.c

[Apostolic Kitty]

Sis. Dana, I was not offended. Just not sure why you left the best part of my name out -- the "T" -- and changed my name to MIREland. LOL :) He's already taken me from the mire.... :)

[Sandy]

Sister Cooper,

Do you believe that a woman that goes to war is probably not feminine? I ask, because I don't believe that to necesarily be true always. Nor do I see a woman that works on car as her profession as being masculine either, even though I could do neither. Not even sure I could change my own tire, for that matter. Although I do agree that a woman does have to watch that she does not take on masculine traits too. But that would include any woman that is in the work force today IMHO, remembering what it was even like when I was working outside the home. Even though I did not have a mans job at all. There was still that environment to be less than feminine, none the less.

For that matter, some here would say I was not feminine because of keeping my hair cut pretty short anymore, and wearing womens slacks, even though I am this little ole lady that only stands a little over 5'2", and neither my hair or my clothes look manly whatsoever IMHO anyway.

I have only known one women that I can think of that did appear what I would consider manly. Some maybe were not quite as feminine in certain ways as some. But they still were in other ways very feminine.

Come to think of it. My husband would probably love it if I could fix our automobiles, because he hates to work on them, even though he can and has done so many times. :D

Just my opinion on this.

[ddc101]

Sister Sandy,
I can fix my own automobile.In fact when I was in high school I was the first girl to take Ag.I grew up in an agricultural area.
I also grew up welding on horse trailers with my daddy.So even though I am quite capable of doing anything a man does I do not do it.I just try to think of it as this...there are certain things a lady would not do..not a woman...but a lady and I try to stay within those boundries purposely to deny my flesh.I refuse to take on a masculine spirit.If you met me you would soon see I am not masculine in any way.In fact I play both guitar and piano,organ,
and autoharp.I love florals and victorian things.I am big into old fashioned items like quilts and needlepoint.But the thing is my father and mother never defined masculine or feminine roles.In fact when I was very young my mom bought me a subscription to MS Magazine.Which is a liberal feminist magazine.It was her idea not mine.I make sure I stay within the boundries of what makes the Lord happy.If something pertains mostly to a man I back off from it.lv sis.c

[ddc101]

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[Melody]

I am afraid that I would want to join the men's conversation but would probable not do so.

I am a very intelligent person and the topics that the majority of women engage themselves in, in this area are quite honestly boooring. We have people in this congregation who have never left this county their whole lives.

[ddc101]

I am afraid that I would want to join the men's conversation but would probable not do so.

I am a very intelligent person and the topics that the majority of women engage themselves in, in this area are quite honestly boooring. We have people in this congregation who have never left this county their whole lives.

hey so do we but I also have personal friends who are globe trotters.So it all washes out the same.lv sis.c

[Shauna]

hey so do we but I also have personal friends who are globe trotters.So it all washes out the same.lv sis.c

Sis. C,

Is it true that men and women were created with both masculine and feminine qualities? I think I read that in a psychology book.

[ddc101]

Sis. C,

Is it true that men and women were created with both masculine and feminine qualities? I think I read that in a psychology book.

Hey Sister I don't know.But I do know that since I am very self sufficient
I have to guard against trying to do everything for myself.My husband needs to do certain things for me because its part of the male makeup to
be the protector/provider.If I get in that place and cover all those spots what is left for him? BTW its nice to feel ladylike.Not helpless just loved and cared for.lv sis.c

[Shauna]

Hey Sister I don't know.But I do know that since I am very self sufficient
I have to guard against trying to do everything for myself.My husband needs to do certain things for me because its part of the male makeup to
be the protector/provider.If I get in that place and cover all those spots what is left for him? BTW its nice to feel ladylike.Not helpless just loved and cared for.lv sis.c



When I think about it does sound true. Maybe that's how we stay balanced. What do you think? If I was completely helpless I wouldn't be able survive. I couldn't hold down a job or do math. If a man was completely macho how could he bond with his children? Some men are widowed or divorced and have to raise children alone. And for some reason a majority of the most celebrated chefs in the world seem to be men. What's the deal with that? What makes them cook so good? LOL

BTW: Amen, amen and amen on feeling loved and cared for:tup: .

[ddc101]

When I think about it does sound true. Maybe that's how we stay balanced. What do you think? If I was completely helpless I wouldn't be able survive. I couldn't hold down a job or do math. If a man was completely macho how could he bond with his children? Some men are widowed or divorced and have to raise children alone. And for some reason a majority of the most celebrated chefs in the world seem to be men. What's the deal with that? What makes them cook so good? LOL

BTW: Amen, amen and amen on feeling loved and cared for:tup: .
haha...I think they cook so good because they like to eat so much!!!! haha...lv sis.c

[Shauna]

haha...I think they cook so good because they like to eat so much!!!! haha...lv sis.c

You could be on to something.:laugh:

[HeistheIam]

I am afraid that I would want to join the men's conversation but would probable not do so.

I am a very intelligent person and the topics that the majority of women engage themselves in, in this area are quite honestly boooring. We have people in this congregation who have never left this county their whole lives.

I have never left this country. Does that make me less intelligent than yourself? I seriously doubt THAT. Not everyone has the financial means to be a 'globetrotter'- God bless you today...

[Estrada]

nothing wrong with having a little guns...as long as their in the right perspective...hee..hee...hee...

[Melody]

I have never left this country. Does that make me less intelligent than yourself? I seriously doubt THAT. Not everyone has the financial means to be a 'globetrotter'- God bless you today...


The point I was trying to make was that their thinking is provincial and limited. One does not have to have financial means in order to develop one's mind.

[Sis T]

...Addressing the topic at hand...
Guarding against a masculine spirit...

IMHO: You hit the nail on the head when you added "spirit" to the phrase.
That is exactly what it is, a masculine spirit.
A spirit, is a spirit, whether it is of a masculine nature, a jealous spirit, a suicide spirit, etc...................
Again IMHO this spirit does not surface only if you are self sufficient, and it should be dealt with as any other spirit, by prayer and resistance.
What does the word say? "Resist the devil and he will flee from you."
I don't feel that the masculine spirit attempts to plague someone because of their skill and knowledge, or because you have taken on a role in the home that is usually considered the mans job.
In our home Bro T (my husband) works 6-7 days weekly, 5 of those days are 12 hour shifts, the other 2 days he may work 6-12 hour shifts.
Due to the amount of hours he works I am responsible for just about everything. ( I can do that now, since moving to this area I no longer work in the public work force).
I said that, to say this. Because I have taken on everything that is considered his role, I have not once felt masculine. (I have felt tired).
Am I saying that anyone here has a bad spirit?
No I am not saying or even thinking that.
Is it possible what you may feel from time to time is a spirit that you have come in contact with, maybe someone that did have the masculine spirit, and you are just feeling the affects of another persons spirit? If so, that spirit could be looking for another place to dwell, and then you fight back because you are feeling it.
Love Sis T