The First United Pentecostal Church of Jerusalem

[servant]

Greetings Saints!

Have you ever considered that the bible says that when the Day of Pentecost was fully come, the disciples were all in one accord? It also said "And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers. And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles. And all that believed were together, and had all things common; And sold their possesions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need. And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved."

Truly this was the First United Pentecostal Church of Jerusalem!!!!

God bless,

Serv :)

[Sandy]

Well that just proves the Catholics were not the first like they keep trying to tell everyone they are huh?

That is good. Am going to have to remember that one for in the future.

[truemessianic]

I don't know if it was the 1st UPC of Jerusalem, but it was the 1st Apostolic Church of Jerusalem. (LOL)

[Adoniyah]

Servant:

Let us reconsider. Here is what the scriptures says...

Gen 49:6 O my soul, come not thou into their secret; unto their assembly, mine honour, be not thou united:...

Be not thou United? :)

[bill]

Servant,

Brother, this is genius! But I don't think it was UPCI. When Phillip went to Samaria to preach to them the gospel, he didn't fill out the proper paper work and then wait for a year to see if it was okay for him to go. On top of that, the jerusalem apostles didn't send out a letter to all the nearby pastors to check if they would be offended at the gospel being preached to another city and to see if the neighboring pastors had any saints in that city. Imagine going to another city to preach without permission! :eek: Perish the thought!

:D

[Sandy]

Bill,

That just goes to show ya how things change over the years. :D

[servant]

:confused: Bill,
Perhaps that's why there's not a UPCI church in Jerusalem now!

Serv :)

[servant]

Behold, the power of unity! Fear (a holy awe) was upon every soul, and many signs and wonders were done, and souls were added daily to the church, and on and on and on...

Serv :)

[witness4jesus]

Im with truemessianic, apostolic is more all encompassing.

The First Apostolic Church of Jerusalem.

Does any one know the estimate of how many members it had?

sis pam

[servant]

Sis Pam,
How many members it had? It still has members! We're all members of that same church that started 2,000 years ago in Jerusalem! Praise God! Think unity, Sister!

Serv :)

[Thelordisone]

Praise His Holy Name All!!

Servant,

"My people perish for lack of understanding!" Note they had the Fear of the Lord. And the beginning of Wisdom was fear of the Lord and to depart from is evil is understanding. We all need more of such.

Sis pam,

There were about 120 in that first church.

God Bless All!!

[witness4jesus]

Well, that is true ourlordisone for the day of Pentecost, but I understand very shortly it grew to multitudes of thousands.
Now that is revival!

sis pam

[Webmaster]

I agree that it was the 1st Apostolic Church, at least as far as the local assembly was concerned. The organization was called the B.O.D.Y., ......well, just a thought.

Bro. Flemming

[Thelordisone]

Sis Pam,

I heard once it took 1 good preaching to convert 3K then 5K. Now you need 3K or 5K preachings to convert 1 soul!!

Although, the Lord does the converting but the days are more evil.

In His Name!!

[pastorb]

Thelordisone,

Man, isn't that something to think about. How about this, a whole lot of preachers won't preach unless they have 3k to 5k in attendance, thats the real shame of it all. Or the won't peach unless you put 3k or 5k in their envelope.

I won't name names but I have heard preachers getting

$2,000 for local or state well known, plus room and car

$20,000 for one night plus room and meal

$75,000 for 3 day meeting for three Evangelist who will remain nameless

but doesn't this make you sick to your stomachs? They will be the first to tell you the laborer is wooorthy of his hire, why muzzle the ox that treadeth out the grain?

Ok I'm sick now, pray for me. :-(

[witness4jesus]

Pastorb:

I do understand the numbers business. The thing that bothers me is the compromise of the truth that goes on to win a soul. It is never right to tell less than the truth or compromise our standards in order to win a soul. Compassion yes, compromise no.

sis pam

[servant]

Yes, I agree it was "Apostolic." I don't know, but I venture to say that some of you may have missed my original point. The fact that the Church was truly united, and that it was birthed on the Day of Pentecost. That's why I said it was the "First United Pentecostal Church of Jerusalem."

Serv :)

[John Atkinson]

The preachers who first preached to the "First United Pentecostal Church of Jerusalem." a few days later were able to tell some fella "Silver and Gold have I none"

The current tragedy is that the $25,000 evangelist would probably step over the lame guy and never even notice him.

There is such a thing of the ministry living of the ministry, and it is ok for people of God to be comfortable and have nice things. But there is a limit. Where that limit is I don't know. I think that it is in the heart of the preacher.

When one preaches for filthy lucre's sake, a one dollar offering is far to large, when one preaches for the Gospel's sake, a million may be just enough...

This could go deep.

[pastorb]

Brother John,

Thats very true, I believe there are some who would preach for nothing, but the others it is so sad.

My protocol is to have the preachers check or money ready before he preaches, I don't wait till he preaches and bleed the people, but I have had some come and at the end of the dervice give the envelope back and tell me to put it back into the ministry and it is those men of God that are truly blessed because their desire is to be used of God.

[servant]

I don't know if you can put a price on a good preacher. However, a preacher who names his price before he will agree to come is not worth his weight in salt. Some churches or conferences may have a standard amount they pay speakers, others just give the speaker whatever comes in the plate while he's there. I don't believe a visiting preacher himself should ever be the one to determine what he gets.

JMHO,

Serv :)

[pastorb]

When I began to pastor the first seminar I had where I had someone come in (who was Apostolic of course), I had to ask my other friend who is a pastor how much I should pay him. I didn't know, I know it just right that I pay for air fare, car fare, and room and board, but over and above that was the question.

How did some of you deside?

percentage of the offering or what? I don't like that because I don't want to have to depend on the people, I want to know I have the money in advance.

I don't believe in taking up two and three offerings sna saying, "ok, we need $100.00 more dollars, I need 10 people to give $10.00 dollars. I ain't with that at all.

[truemessianic]

I am a young preacher, and I may not know much. But this one thing I know. Jesus Christ called me, not to work for a salary here on earth, but to preach His word because He trusts me with it.
These preachers who demand an offering or anything is a tragedy. that is simple, and straight to the point. I love them, but I cannot stand a preacher who would refuse to preach to a small church because they cannot raise $3,000. It is a shame.
As long as I live, I will never charge for the work. If a preacher decides to give me something, that is between him and Jesus. I consider it an honor just to preach the Word.

[pastorb]

Brother William you have a precious heart and God will greatly bless your ministry for him.

[servant]

Pastorb,
As Johnny James would say, "if you're too big for a little church, you're too little for a big church!"

Serv :)