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Hnovilla
07-11-2003, 11:24 PM
His NAME is Jesus!

I have read many posts that would 'spiritualize' the scriptures, and many others which would keep the scriptures in the natural realm; as a history book, so to speak. I will maintain that the spiritual realm and the natural realm run parallel, and will not contradict one another. God is SPIRIT, and it pleased him to reveal himself in the natural realm. It also pleased Him that natural man be brought to a spiritual level. Thus these thoughts.

"And God said, 'Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and for years...to give LIGHT upon the earth..."
The primary purpose of creation is to testify of the existence of God. That is why young David wrote, "The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament shows His handiwork..." The Apostle Paul also declared: "For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, (even) His eternal power and Godhead; so that they (the things that are made) are without excuse..."
Before Time, everthing was in the eternal realm. When God created Time, He established a 'beginning', and also an 'end'. To better understand this, we can say that this 'beginning' is the temporary cessation of eternity [within certain confines]; while the 'end' is the cessation of Time. We are surrounded by this testimony. We can see it in a 'newborn' baby, and in the death of an old man.
The cessation of time is NOT the end, but the re-establishing of eternity in its proper place. The "new heavens and a new earth" will not be temporal, but eternal.
If you an receive this: The Lord 'disrobed' himself of his glory and donned a garment of flesh; so at the end of time, he will 'disrobe' himself of his flesh and be robed again in glory. Hear: "...when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father, when he shall have put down all rule...for he (the Son) must reign until he has put all enemies under his feet...when he says he has put all things under him, it is manifest that he (the Father) is excepted, who put all things under him...then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him (the Father), that God may be all in all."
Will the Kingdom of the Son end? Of course not. His sons (and daughters) will reign with Him!

Brother Villa

logos
07-20-2003, 09:51 PM
that's deep.

tufluv
07-20-2003, 10:58 PM
Bro.Villa:
The "new heavens and a new earth" will not be temporal, but eternal.
I've been aware of the concept of time being the temporal pause of eternity; we had a study on this about 2 yrs ago, I love this understanding.
I have but one, maybe silly, question.

As in the quote above, does that mean that the heavens also did not exist? I know the earth did not. I don't see how that could be (NEW heavens, if they are indeed, 'eternal'). Unless its referring to change in the 'old' heavens to now be 'new' and eternal. Were the 'old' heavens not eternal?
If this is confusing, never mind.

Hnovilla
07-22-2003, 09:25 PM
His NAME is Jesus!

Sister Tufluv, to answer your question.

The universe we see is all a part of creation: the very creation we are a part of; it has a beginning and an end. Before 'we' were created, there existed only eternity.

There is another 'creation' which we only can get a glimpse of: it is the angelic creation. They, however, do not live in their own creation, but are with God. The 'fallen angels' DO share our creation.
In the new heavens and the new earth, we shall live within the eternal creation. This temporal will no longer be needed. It will have served its purpose.

Brother Villa

tufluv
07-22-2003, 10:43 PM
Oh, okay, thanx Hnovilla! Thats something to look forward to!